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    First try and recycling

    I'm having a try a soil recycling. I've been growing tote filled the coco version of LC #1 mix amended with the kelp meal and guano (two kinds). I basically only want to do this is if is easy which means no screening soil, cleaning out old roots, or letting the soil rest. Thus, I'm taking a pretty simple approach to recycling.

    Today I harvested this:


    After harvest I cut the root ball and transplanted in two seed plants and top dressed with approximately 2 cups of the Indonesian bat guano (which I thought was a mix consisting of Mexican bat guano, Indonesian bat guano, earth worm castings, and kelp meal). The stem and root ball from the old plant were cut up and worked in to the top layer of soil as mulch.


    I'll update this so folks can see if it is really this easy.

    Pine
    Last edited by pinecone; 04-13-2011, 16:14. Reason: There was an error in the orginal post. I did not topdressed with guano flowering mix, but rather Indonesian bat guano.
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    #2
    Cool.....
    I'm going to experiment by just cutting open a hole next to the stump and planting a clone. I think I'll do a few like this to get a good idea of what the results will be. I plan on topdressing with EWC,compost,bat guano,fish bone meal,alfalfa,and kelp meal applied at certain times through the cycle. The idea is to not disturb the world that has already been created below the surface,but allow the processes of nature to work with it like it does outdoors.
    BMR in flower
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303

    Topsoil in the soil mix
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

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      #3
      Originally posted by Capt.Cheeze1 View Post
      Cool.....
      I'm going to experiment by just cutting open a hole next to the stump and planting a clone.
      This is basically what I did. I only cut enough of the stump - root ball out so that I could get the new plants in.

      The idea is to not disturb the world that has already been created below the surface,but allow the processes of nature to work with it like it does outdoors.
      I've been influenced by the "do not disturb" advocates. It is a very appealing approach and it is pretty darn simple. I hope this works out for both of us.

      Pine
      No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

      Early sexing of cannabis plants

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        #4
        nicceee did you tie down branches or do scrog? btw when recycling soil, bugs get in the soil and shit easier, reccomend using some type of water mix with tobacco,garlic, dishsoap, etc. to try to kill the insects if they start gettin in the soil.

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          #5
          Originally posted by wemary View Post
          nicceee did you tie down branches or do scrog?
          When I transplanted I put the root ball all the way at the left end of the container. Then I bent the main stem over to the right and started tying down side branches when they reached the edge. Thus, it is sort of a virtual ScroG - or screen-less-ScroG.

          I'm going to do something similar with the new plants that I put in. They are going to be bent over the container's width in opposite directions.

          btw when recycling soil, bugs get in the soil and shit easier, reccomend using some type of water mix with tobacco,garlic, dishsoap, etc. to try to kill the insects if they start gettin in the soil.
          The main bugs that I'm concerned about are spider mites and I do practice preventative spraying of a neem based solution during veg and early flower. I wouldn't actually mind having balanced bugs ecosystem (including predators), but I think I would be difficult to get established in my small office closet cab.

          Pine
          No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

          Early sexing of cannabis plants

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            #6
            Hey pinecone, still growing healthy green plants I see. I'll keep an eye on this one. Right now I'm trying my first run with reused/undisturbed coco. So far so good. Gotta love anything that makes our lives easier.

            icough

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              #7
              Nice one folks. I sincerely hope these smaller containers give you an easy ride like I've been having with my larger bed.

              I HIGHLY recommend adding a mulch layer. Soil is most active on top, solar (e.g. lighting) radiation and drying out is not conducive to happy soil microbes.
              I'm in it for the tomatoes. I been growing tomatoes for a long long time. Sometimes I get to thinking I know everything about tomatoes.
              My tomatoes make me completely delusional.

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                #8
                Thanks for stopping by icough and MrFista.

                MrFista - I've read about your beds. They were part of what inspired me to try this.

                I HIGHLY recommend adding a mulch layer. Soil is most active on top, solar (e.g. lighting) radiation and drying out is not conducive to happy soil microbes.
                I have come to believe in mulch and keeping it moist. I always mulch with leftover plants and any leafs and stems that get plucked off growing plants. The prior plant was mulched decently this way, but a lot of that got mixed when I transplanted and there wasn't enough stems and stump from the old plant to provide good coverage. Solution: I ran the trim from the old plant through water hash bags and saved the leavings for mulch. Now I have mulch and hash.

                Pine

                Cannamulch - there isn't enough, but there will be more once I get to pruning. Additionally, the plants will be bent over the container when they get a little bigger providing a shady, cool, and moist micro-climate.


                The hash turned out pretty good
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                  #9
                  update

                  one plant in particular didn't do so well initially. It starting growing pale green and showing some rust on the larger fans. So far I've watered with a EWC, fish, and kelp tea, foliar fed with a diluted mixture of the of the same tea, and top dressed with EWC. They seem to be on their way back to looking good. This is a learning process.

                  BTW these are non-fem Green House Seeds Super Silver Haze seed plants. I started super cropping them a few days ago. The plant on the right is the one that has had more issues, but I think it is on its way back. On a scale of 1-10 (1 about ready to die and 10 perfect health) the plant got down to about a 5. I would put it at a 7 and improving now.
                  No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

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                    #10
                    Quote: "BTW these are non-fem Green House Seeds Super Silver Haze seed plants."
                    Well that explains it^^^......kidding.
                    I'll definitely be watching to see how this goes. Good luck.
                    CC1
                    BMR in flower
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303

                    Topsoil in the soil mix
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

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                      #11
                      Hi Capt.,

                      As you probably know GHS doesn't sell standard (non-fem) seeds anymore. I saved a male and am going to knock up some branches on these plants to produce what should be some of the last F2s produced from GHS stock. Fuck buying more seeds.

                      Pine
                      No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

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                        #12
                        2 very distinct phenos there. One hungrier than the other. The compost tea really helps align things for plants. Watching keenly.
                        I'm in it for the tomatoes. I been growing tomatoes for a long long time. Sometimes I get to thinking I know everything about tomatoes.
                        My tomatoes make me completely delusional.

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                          #13
                          update

                          They got more fish, EWC, and kelp tea and look a lot better. I think they are "plugged-in" now and I should be able to treat them similarity to plants in a fresh soil mix.

                          I like switching to 12/12 on notable days (so I can remember). I'm thinking the tax filing deadline (April 15) would be appropriate for these plants.

                          Pictures
                          The new growth looks good (if a little bit too green). The rough looking leaves are from the first few days in the tote when they weren't doing so well.


                          Originally posted by MrFista View Post
                          2 very distinct phenos there. One hungrier than the other.
                          Astute observation. There are definitely two phenos.

                          # 1 (on left above) has alligator scale leaves, shorter internodes, and feeds lighter.



                          #2 (plant on the right in above photo) has smoother leaves, longer internodes, is more branchy, and feeds heavier. It was the smaller of the two plants when transplanted, and suffered more the first few days after being transplanted, but has since outgrown its sister.
                          No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

                          Early sexing of cannabis plants

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                            #14
                            Nice...this is good news. I have a feeling this will work out fine.
                            BMR in flower
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303

                            Topsoil in the soil mix
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

                            Provider for cardholders organic medicine and organic medicated edibles..."we're primed and we're ready to go toe to toe with disease"

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                              #15
                              Recycling soil is mandatory. The plants like it better the second time around. Here's a couple things to watch out for.

                              a. A thorough flush is required to wash away any unused PPMs. Small clones don't like HOT soil.

                              b. Capture and measure the runoff created to get an idea on the PH and PPM left in the medium.

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