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      This is my second time and last time around with these two SSH plants. I didn't keep any cuts. Last time they went 12 weeks. This time they will go longer, in part, because I don't have any new plants to throw in the tote. I'm thinking about just picking up red clover from the local nursery to plant until I can get some more seed plants sexed. I'm not exactly sure when these plants started 12/12, but I'm guessing it was around September 1 so they are about 11 weeks into flowering.

      This has probably been my easiest grow overall. I haven't given the plants anything, nor have I done the extensive pruning and staking job that I usually do. Because of cooler temps there is less foxtailing on the buds. There are also more fall colors, particularly on one of the plant which is showing a lot of purple in the leafs and leaf stems.

      One interesting thing that I noticed today is an earthworm in the soil-duff under the mulch. I have no idea how it got there. It was mature and I haven't added anything that would have the potential for bringing along earthworms since Spring.

      Pine

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        Wow,set it and forget it,huh? Didn't think that level of ''organicness'' was attainable indoors....thanks for proving me wrong,bro.
        Riding the Spiral:Further complicating complex multi-hybrids.

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          Originally posted by spiralofeyes View Post
          Wow,set it and forget it,huh?
          Close - I still have to water a couple of times per week on average, but blumats would probably solve that. On that topic - last crop I watered a little bit everyday. This crop I went as long as 5 days between watering. With the daily watering I had roots growing into the mulch so I think there may be a benefit to more frequent watering or a blumat kit.

          In part what I'm trying to figure out how many of things that make growing cannabis time consuming, tedious, or expensive can be done away with. So I already know that you don't need pH pens, bottled "nutes", drainage holes, separate pots for different plants, or to till between plantings. What I'm trying to figure out going forward is the extent to which the soil in my no-till systems needs to be amended between crop rotations as well as the importance of compost teas in the context of a system that is already pretty alive. It might very well be the case that all that is really needed to keep the system functioning at a high level is continued planting and the addition more mulch between crops.

          Pine
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            "In part what I'm trying to figure out how many of things that make growing cannabis time consuming, tedious, or expensive can be done away with. So I already know that you don't need pH pens, bottled "nutes", drainage holes, separate pots for different plants, or to till between plantings. What I'm trying to figure out going forward is the extent to which the soil in my no-till systems needs to be amended between crop rotations as well as the importance of compost teas in the context of a system that is already pretty alive. It might very well be the case that all that is really needed to keep the system functioning at a high level is continued planting and the addition more mulch between crops."

            Pine[/quote]

            Not far off from what I am now implementing. There seems to little need for an ACT at this point. I have the idea that if you want to incorporate an ACT,that you may want to wait until mid-flower.

            My idea being that if you are topdressing to "maintain" the system,then the breakdown rates of the material added would in theroy build up around that time and be ready for an ACT....which would then of course release more immediatedly availabe nutes around the time the common exhaustion of food happens.

            Fact remains that cannabis plants can be heavy feeders depending on type and exhaust the food sources of indoor potted plants due to that confinement of the roots in smaller spaces compared to the native ground.

            This is where the cover crop/living mulch comes in and completes the natural system by fixing nitrogen and improving the soils biosphere...improving drainage and aeration,maintaining existing bacterial and fungal colonies,etc. All and all reducing the need to actually amend with the amount of fertilization/mineralization material previously needed.

            Less ends up being more.....that's how the natural system works out there.
            BMR in flower
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303

            Topsoil in the soil mix
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

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              Originally posted by Capt.Cheeze1 View Post
              My idea being that if you are topdressing to "maintain" the system,then the breakdown rates of the material added would in theroy build up around that time and be ready for an ACT....which would then of course release more immediatedly availabe nutes around the time the common exhaustion of food happens.
              Top dressing to maintain with what? My default is going to be to add nothing, but left-overs from the prior crop, fresh or dried comfrey, and more mulching material if the existing mulch is looking a bit thin.

              Obviously the plants I have going now are yellowing out. Is this yellowing a result of depleted nutrients or just part of the plants' natural life cycle? I'll be curious to see how new plants do when they are plugged in. Are they going to yellow they way that did on my first no-till crop - or is there now enough nutrients stored in the biomass of the soil ecosystem to keep them going without more top dressing more guano, castings, alfalfa, kelp, ect?

              There might be some subtle difference between our systems in that you have pretty large plants in smaller containers and I have smaller plants in a larger container. My hypothesis is that the larger container allows for a high ratio of nutrients stored in biomass to plant needs, so that less amending is required between crops.

              Pine
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                Well we are taking biomass out of the soil in the form of the flowers..(which make up a large % of the biomass at harvest)...that nutrition is not making it's way back into the loop.

                I'll also bet that because you have that larger soil mass you won't have to do anything for a while. If this really can go with no additional topdressing I do not know. Who does?


                I have a topdress mix made up ready to go just in case containing the following:
                I will apply 1 to 2 tablespoons of this at an undetermined rate...proly once a week or less.

                spray dried fish hyrdolysate
                fish bone meal
                kelp meal
                neem seed meal
                oyster shell
                comfrey
                N. bat guano
                EWC

                On my second round no-till one of the pots yellowed out b4 it should have,on the 3rd round it's fine. I suspect that having things like bio-char,rice hulls,leaf litter,etc. in the soil that there was sequestered nitrogen...on top of the no-till pot finally balancing out in the soil...finding it's groove so to speak...I dunno
                BMR in flower
                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170303

                Topsoil in the soil mix
                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

                Provider for cardholders organic medicine and organic medicated edibles..."we're primed and we're ready to go toe to toe with disease"

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                  Originally posted by Capt.Cheeze1 View Post
                  Well we are taking biomass out of the soil in the form of the flowers..(which make up a large % of the biomass at harvest)...that nutrition is not making it's way back into the loop.
                  The way I'm thinking about it is that as long as you have decomposing organic matter you are going to have bacteria. As long as you have bacteria you are going to have criters that eat bacteria. As long as you have the criters that eat bacteria you are going to have their waste. As long as you have their watse your plants are going to something to eat. Is it going to be enough to eat? There is only one way to find out.

                  Pine
                  No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

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                    super interesting thread i may try something like this. I used to reuse all soil mixed 50 50 w fresh hp or bx promix
                    nowadays im pretty wasteful, need 2 change that, and go back to reusing, thanks for keeping us aware

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                      Started a micro-grow and I am definitely using a lot I learned from this. Those nugs look beastly
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                        Thanks for the kind words folks.

                        I chopped the two SSH plants. The maroon-purple one got chopped on November 28 and the larger green one got chopped today. My best guess is that they went 13+ weeks. The maroon one definitely got overgrown by its sister. I bet I have at least 4 times the bud off the bigger one.

                        I couldn't find any clover seeds locally so I just decided to replant my 4 Chimera GrapefruitXBlueberry seedings in my tote, even though they aren't sexed. I figure I'll sex them, cut out the males, and flower the females - or sex them, take cuts, and flower the cuts. I might even try to clone directly in the tote.

                        Pine

                        The bigger green plant right before chop


                        The new plantings: They are so small that they are hard to see.
                        No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

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                          I ran all the trim from the last two crops through ice water extraction bags and mulched with the leftovers and stems. I love the smell of the canna mulch.

                          Originally posted by pinecone View Post
                          I'll be curious to see how new plants do when they are plugged in. Are they going to yellow they way that did on my first no-till crop - or is there now enough nutrients stored in the biomass of the soil ecosystem to keep them going without more top dressing more guano, castings, alfalfa, kelp, ect?
                          The early indication is that I'm not going to need to add much if anything despite the fact that the plants were yellowing out pretty dramatically at the end of my last grow. Three of the four new plantings were in good shape when they went in to the tote and have continued to do well in the tote. The largest-oldest plant was suffering from Mg and N deficiencies. If you look at that plant (front left in below photo) you can see yellowing leafs on the bottom of the plant and clear signs of a Mg deficiency in the middle of the plant. These deficiencies, which are a result of the plant being in my not fresh (1-year old) LC #1 mix for a month or so, immediately cleared up when the plant was re-planted in the tote.

                          Pine

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                            i know this thread is more about your soil, but i wouldn't mind a few gratuitous harvest shots
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                              Originally posted by heady blunts View Post
                              i know this thread is more about your soil, but i wouldn't mind a few gratuitous harvest shots
                              I could try and do that. The last harvest is already dried, broken up, and put away though - it being so dry here now. I'll try and get some dry nug shots though.

                              I think I weighed 5.5 ounces of dry bud from the most recent harvest so the yield was not great. I can't seem to get any of the SSH plants I grew to produce well. My all time record for me space is 10oz so these plants were quit a bit below what the potential is. Still, I really like smoking SSH. All the 4 of the plants that I grew out from the pack of seeds were very good to excellent.

                              Pine
                              No rest, No-till soil-coco recycling experiment

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                                yea. they were just such beauties as plants i wanted to hear about how the finished product smoked.
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