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    Cheap Nutrient Line for Commercial and Home Grows?

    When I am consulting, I get asked for a complete but cheap nutrient lineup that is suitable for commercial usage. This lineup can also be scaled for the home grower to save some serious cash.

    You start with a salt base nutrient. Jack's classic hydro, Masterblend, Jack's Nutrients TAP or Growmore soluble powders also work depending on your access.

    Jack’s Hydro Feed- 25 lb bag
    $70- 2000 gallons
    $0.035/gallon

    Add your biostimulant. Mr. Fulvic is the home and garden version and has fulvic, amino and organic acids, chelated micros and trace elements. AGT-50 is the commercial wholesale version. They both help make nutrients available regardless of pH and give salts organic taste and smell.

    AGT-50- 20L
    $460- 20,000 gallons
    $0.023/gallon

    Extra calcium is needed at transition. Growmore Flowering Cal-Mag also has kelp to help stack nodes going into flower. Albion metalosate and epsom salt can also be used.

    Growmore flowering cal-mag- 2.5 gal
    $90- 1900 gallons
    $0.047/gallon

    PH down is pH control, but also adds soluble phosphorus when something like HydroFeed is low in Phosphorus.

    Advanced pH down- 4L
    $82- 6600 gallons
    $0.01/gallon

    For IPM, insecticidal soap will take care of bugs and mold.

    DES-X Insecticidal Soap- 2.5 g
    $85- 300 gallons (@1%)
    $0.28.3/gal.

    For a bloom booster, Monopotassium phosphate used weeks 4-6 of flower.

    Haifa MKP- 4 lb
    $20- 1820 gallons
    $0.01/gallon

    This is a complete lineup including IPM. It can be used large or small. There's no reason to spend a ton of money on fertilizer for excellent quality cannabis.



    Last edited by BillFarthing; 10-20-2020, 18:32.
    "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

    DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
    http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

    #2
    I typically use rice hulls, DE or Recycle Sil in the soilless mix, but if you want to add silica-


    Potassium silicate- 20 lb
    $160- 1820 gallons
    $0.087/gallon
    "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

    DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
    http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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      #3
      do you use calnit at all?
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        #4
        Cal Nit is always part of your base fertilizer whether it is one, two or 3 parts. It is certainly part of Jack's Hydrofeed, TAP, Classic Hydro or Growmore solubles.
        "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

        DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
        http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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          #5
          Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
          Cal Nit is always part of your base fertilizer whether it is one, two or 3 parts. It is certainly part of Jack's Hydrofeed, TAP, Classic Hydro or Growmore solubles.
          Gday have you ever tried masterblend nutrients. A same as Jack's as in it's a 3 part dry.

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            #6
            Originally posted by islandgrower721 View Post
            Gday have you ever tried masterblend nutrients. A same as Jack's as in it's a 3 part dry.

            Yeah, I listed it as part of the salt bases that are economical. Masterblend/cal nit as a 2-part has fantastic numbers without the magnesium sulfate.
            "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

            DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
            http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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              #7
              Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
              I typically use rice hulls, DE or Recycle Sil in the soilless mix, but if you want to add silica-


              Potassium silicate- 20 lb
              $160- 1820 gallons
              $0.087/gallon
              You add RecycleSil to the mix? At what rates? Doesn't it get washed away within the first few waterings?
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                #8
                Originally posted by CannaRed View Post
                You add RecycleSil to the mix? At what rates? Doesn't it get washed away within the first few waterings?

                1 tablespoon to a 15-gallon pot of soil or soilless media. It can be suspended in water, but isn't totally soluble, meaning that it won't wash out from the root zone easily.
                "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
                  When I am consulting, I get asked for a complete but cheap nutrient lineup that is suitable for commercial usage. This lineup can also be scaled for the home grower to save some serious cash.

                  You start with a salt base nutrient. Jack's classic hydro, Masterblend, Jack's Nutrients TAP or Growmore soluble powders also work depending on your access.

                  Jack’s Hydro Feed- 25 lb bag
                  $70- 2000 gallons
                  $0.035/gallon

                  Add your biostimulant. Mr. Fulvic is the home and garden version and has fulvic, amino and organic acids, chelated micros and trace elements. AGT-50 is the commercial wholesale version. They both help make nutrients available regardless of pH and give salts organic taste and smell.

                  AGT-50- 20L
                  $460- 20,000 gallons
                  $0.023/gallon

                  Extra calcium is needed at transition. Growmore Flowering Cal-Mag also has kelp to help stack nodes going into flower. Albion metalosate and epsom salt can also be used.

                  Growmore flowering cal-mag- 2.5 gal
                  $90- 1900 gallons
                  $0.047/gallon

                  PH down is pH control, but also adds soluble phosphorus when something like HydroFeed is low in Phosphorus.

                  Advanced pH down- 4L
                  $82- 6600 gallons
                  $0.01/gallon

                  For IPM, insecticidal soap will take care of bugs and mold.

                  DES-X Insecticidal Soap- 2.5 g
                  $85- 300 gallons (@1%)
                  $0.28.3/gal.

                  For a bloom booster, Monopotassium phosphate used weeks 4-6 of flower.

                  Haifa MKP- 4 lb
                  $20- 1820 gallons
                  $0.01/gallon

                  This is a complete lineup including IPM. It can be used large or small. There's no reason to spend a ton of money on fertilizer for excellent quality cannabis.



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                  Bill thanks for this.
                  Can you talk about how the schedule? How do you advise to tweak the ingredients throughout the grow? Or is this more like the lucas system where the the ratios stay the basically same veg and bloom.
                  Hope that doesn't sound stupid
                  "I have only read fragments of your posts. But I have read enough to know that you can grow some mean herb."
                  --- CVH
                  _____________________________
                  "we growing.
                  till the fucking zombies show."
                  --- Useless.Gardens

                  My current thread

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                    #10
                    The only stupid question is one that doesn't get asked.

                    -Follow the feed schedule on your salt base. It essentially ramps up EC from seedling/transplant -> veg -> transition -> bloom and cuts out for flush.

                    -Mr. Fulvic/AGT-50 is always 0.5-1ml/gallon drench from transplant through harvest.

                    -Supplemental calcium is used right before flip either drench or foliar until they stop stretching or show flowers. Usually 1-2 weeks.

                    -Bloom booster is used week 4-6 of flower. I listed MKP, but I also like the homemade Hammerhead recipe.

                    -pH Down is used as needed to keep the pH 5.5-6.2.

                    -Insecticidal soap is used 15-60ml/gal. with Mr. Fulvic at 0.5-1ml/gallon foliar veg through transition. The fulvic makes the soap trans-laminar and provides foliar stress reduction.

                    This method exactly follows the tissue sample graphs that I always post from Agricen.





                    "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                    DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                    http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                      #11
                      I've been trying to find a no N cal-mag...do you have a good online source for it?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kalopatchkid View Post
                        I've been trying to find a no N cal-mag...do you have a good online source for it?

                        Growmore Flowering Cal-Mag is the only cal-mag without N on the market. Albion Metalosate is organic and low N. It needs to have epsom salt added for a complete Ca/Mg/S supplement.



                        I looked into calcium and magnesium acetate dietary supplements, but they usually have one form of cal/mag in them that isn't totally soluble. That's fine in soil/soilless, but not for foliar or hydroponics.
                        Last edited by BillFarthing; 10-20-2020, 23:25.
                        "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                        DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                        http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
                          The only stupid question is one that doesn't get asked.

                          -Follow the feed schedule on your salt base. It essentially ramps up EC from seedling/transplant -> veg -> transition -> bloom and cuts out for flush.

                          -Mr. Fulvic/AGT-50 is always 0.5-1ml/gallon drench from transplant through harvest.

                          -Supplemental calcium is used right before flip either drench or foliar until they stop stretching or show flowers. Usually 1-2 weeks.

                          -Bloom booster is used week 4-6 of flower. I listed MKP, but I also like the homemade Hammerhead recipe.

                          -pH Down is used as needed to keep the pH 5.5-6.2.

                          -Insecticidal soap is used 15-60ml/gal. with Mr. Fulvic at 0.5-1ml/gallon foliar veg through transition. The fulvic makes the soap trans-laminar and provides foliar stress reduction.

                          This method exactly follows the tissue sample graphs that I always post from Agricen.


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                          Have you heard of the product transport from optic Foliar? They say that it makes the spray be absorbed into the leaves. When you said the fulvic made the soap "trans laminar" it reminded me of the O.F. I wonder if it's just fulvic. They also claim that because it goes into the leaf better you only have to spray the tops of the leaves. And it allows you to spray with the lights on, with one quarter the amount of whatever ingredient you are spraying.
                          Would fulvic do all that?
                          "I have only read fragments of your posts. But I have read enough to know that you can grow some mean herb."
                          --- CVH
                          _____________________________
                          "we growing.
                          till the fucking zombies show."
                          --- Useless.Gardens

                          My current thread

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                            #14
                            Thank you for the info going to give mr fulvic a gander...if nothing else the name cracks me up. Any commentary on it providing those trace elements vs using something like m.o.s.t or azomite? I would like a wider range of ph for optimal feeding, so planning to look at it for that, but curious if its a two birds one stone situation where I could pick up those trace elements while addressing a larger concern.

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                              #15
                              Lots of big guys run Jacks.. some decent info you posted here BF!

                              I remember them days when Jacks would hang up the phone on me when inquiring about there ratios and custom blends in regards to marijuana plants

                              I ditched the canna nutrients line after switching one room to jacks for comparison when I was going through 350-400gallons of water a day. I can honestly say, this shit works if you know what your doing
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