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    #61
    Here's why I ask-
    I posted this in Why Purple thread (excuse the spelling of the warning.):
    just heard PotentPonic Steve say that you can raise molybdenum up to .1ppm even all the way to 1ppm and this will turn purple plants purple with no other Ill effects from toxicity. This only works with plants that have the genetic capability to turn purple of course.
    I wouldn't go over 1ppm. There's a warning on the label of RapidStart that's says "excessive levels of molybdenum can be hazardous to rudimentary animals" and alot of folk are eating cannabis nowadays.
    Here's the link to the podcast where he mentions it. He speaks of molybdenum at 00:51:43
    https://anchor.fm/cheaphomegrow/epis...e-Panel-ehl0jh
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      #62
      Originally posted by CannaRed View Post
      Here's why I ask-
      I posted this in Why Purple thread (excuse the spelling of the warning.):

      Anthocyanins and senescence can be induced by cold night temps or properly flushing calcium by the end of flower.



      That's the first time I've heard molybdenum for that purpose. I still learn something new every day.
      "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

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        #63
        Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
        I've talked to that company, very knowledgeable, but they only do wholesale.



        The thing about Ful-Power is that you are paying to ship water. Seems pretty wasteful to me.
        I hate shipping water also but there are not many options for home growers. Mr fulvic is liquid. Hard to to find soluable dry fulvic/humic. It peaks my interest to get some..

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          #64
          Originally posted by Legalcdn View Post
          I hate shipping water also but there are not many options for home growers. Mr fulvic is liquid. Hard to to find soluable dry fulvic/humic. It peaks my interest to get some..
          What about powdered shilajit?
          "I have only read fragments of your posts. But I have read enough to know that you can grow some mean herb."
          --- CVH
          _____________________________
          "we growing.
          till the fucking zombies show."
          --- Useless.Gardens

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            #65
            I realized some formulations must be a liquid. Growmore flowering cal-mag ingredients have to be combined in a very specific order and can't exist as a soluble. Mr. Fulvic is a liquid to preserve amino and organic acids. You can get around this by getting the greatest concentration liquid possible.



            Originally posted by CannaRed View Post
            What about powdered shilajit?

            Shilajit is a good source of fulvic acid. It does have a huge carbon (humate pun *snort*) footprint. My buddy was talking about Gilsonite- "American shilajit", which may also be an option.
            "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

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              #67
              I found a company jn ontario that provides fulvic dry. Not sure on the extraction process but they claim to be organic and do business in usa too. Agsol canada.

              Fulvic at 70% with 3% K2O.

              They lots of products.

              I really liked megacrop in soil. Cheap also..

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                #68
                Originally posted by Koondense View Post
                Masterblend vs Megacrop
                Which would you buy for soil?
                (I already have the Calcium nitrate and Magnesium sulfate)



                Thanks

                Megacrop works for soil. It does not work for hydro/drippers because it uses a cheap Chinese humic acid that preciptates.

                If you plan on adding your own biostimulants, Masterblend is clean and a complete formula. And cheaper per gallon than Megacrop.
                "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                  #69
                  Originally posted by Legalcdn View Post
                  I found a company jn ontario that provides fulvic dry. Not sure on the extraction process but they claim to be organic and do business in usa too. Agsol canada.

                  Fulvic at 70% with 3% K2O.

                  They lots of products.

                  I really liked megacrop in soil. Cheap also..

                  70% fulvic is V&B testing. It is dramatically lower with ISO/LAMAR testing. The potassium content also means that it is chemically hydroxide extracted.



                  If it is totally soluble in water, try it. It can't hurt.
                  "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                  DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                  http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                    #70
                    Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
                    Anthocyanins and senescence can be induced by cold night temps or properly flushing calcium by the end of flower.



                    That's the first time I've heard molybdenum for that purpose. I still learn something new every day.
                    A small restriction on water too..? I noticed some good result when lowering the water supply towards the end. Its also colder night temps now too so unsure here..
                    Hehe

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                      #71
                      Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
                      Megacrop works for soil. It does not work for hydro/drippers because it uses a cheap Chinese humic acid that preciptates.

                      If you plan on adding your own biostimulants, Masterblend is clean and a complete formula. And cheaper per gallon than Megacrop.
                      Perfect answer, many thanks Bill!

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                        #72
                        All this fulvic talk has got me interested. I was just speaking to my local garden shop and they are bringing in some Royal Gold from Future Harvest. Does anyone have any experience with this line? It's a BC company, according to a quick search.

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                          #73
                          Originally posted by H G Griffin View Post
                          All this fulvic talk has got me interested. I was just speaking to my local garden shop and they are bringing in some Royal Gold from Future Harvest. Does anyone have any experience with this line? It's a BC company, according to a quick search.

                          It's interesting- It is gold in color meaning actual fulvic. There's no potassium, so not hydroxide extracted.



                          The thing that peaks my interest is that they used phosphoric acid to get the humic acid to fall out instead of citric acid. This is actually an ok quality and unique formulation for a fulvic acid.
                          "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

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                          http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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                            #74
                            Originally posted by BillFarthing View Post
                            It's interesting- It is gold in color meaning actual fulvic. There's no potassium, so not hydroxide extracted.



                            The thing that peaks my interest is that they used phosphoric acid to get the humic acid to fall out instead of citric acid. This is actually an ok quality and unique formulation for a fulvic acid.
                            What I understand of your post sounds promising. Thank you.

                            I'm fairly dialed in with my spaces and haven't made any significant changes for a while. I also have a few moms that I know quite well, so it should be pretty easy to see any benefit from a new addition. I'll update as I learn.

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                              #75
                              Originally posted by H G Griffin View Post

                              I'm fairly dialed in with my spaces

                              You may notice tips burning from excess nitrogen if the fulvic is high quality. You may have to reduce your base fertilizer usage 10-25%.



                              You may also notice earlier flower set and frost from adding fulvic. There's a reason I recommend this stuff with a little kelp all over biostimulants.
                              "The hydroponics store is a rip off" -Bill Farthing

                              DIY nutrients/biostimulants/IPM
                              http://opensalts.wikidot.com/

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