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  • Bio boy
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    Located everything on the list but i csn only get masterblend

    Jacks isnt avalible in uk anywhere.



    I can get yara though?

    http://https://www.yara.co.uk/crop-n...liser/soluble/


    Ill Wait for bill to say and if i can set it in a res for a week dtw lol

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  • eyesdownchronic
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    Also compared the MAsterblend tomato v the Jacks. the main thing people seem to say is that the MAsterblend has no epsom salts, which is true, but the bigger diff seems to be the change due to the higher PK value in MB. the MB also has slightly lower N and is mixed at a lower conc. so ultimately the MB formula requires more cal-nit to hit the same N level, resulting in higher overall Ca levels. which is a plus. ,it would also make dropping N levels during flower easier.

    based on that it seems like Masterblend is the better choice?

    only downside is the higher level of control means there are more moving parts to get right.



    also noticed that MB has .4% fe and .2% B! which seems very high . 2:1 fe to B ratio

    JAcks has fe at .3% and B at .05% 6:1 fe to B ratio

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  • eyesdownchronic
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    Other day I did the math comparing Nectar For The Gods v. this jacks regimen. NFTG price per gallon was $.85!!! . v $.04 for the Jacks...

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  • Bio boy
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    Originally posted by eric2028 View Post
    Been using jacks for years and totally agree! Stop by and take a look.
    Originally posted by eric2028 View Post
    Been using jacks for years and totally agree! Stop by and take a look.



    Wow what a show damn damn haha and lil ole me talkin with the big boys lol yields important to me as my med space is only 2.4x1.2 meters lol wow what u have. In this space i currently get 34 ounces and that does me well. If i drop on that it messes me up big u boys got somuch it wudnt matter much lol love it.



    I think im gona take the dive or maybe side by side it.



    So can i mix this up in my 200litre baby tank That lasts me 7 days lol? Set on my timer every 4 hours 10 second feeds on a halo gettin 500 ml a dose in clay stones and coco 60/40.

    Drain to waste.



    No special mixing? It wont sepwrate sat in the tsnk eith a pump turning it over in a week or anything?

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  • eric2028
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    Originally posted by indocult View Post
    Only using Jack's and not even the fulvic , calcium, or monopotassium phosphate, I've gotten pretty consistently 2.5 # per light and up to 3. That is with added co2 and environment in check.
    I have friends who use the whole lines of advanced, Athena ag, botanicare etc. And spend $$$ on their nutes. I grow the same strains and consistently get higher yields and higher quality than any of them, at 1/10th the price.

    Now I am adding the ca, fulvic, and MKP as suggested by Bill Farthing, and I can't wait to see the results.

    If I were you I would ditch the advanced, or use them up until they are gone and don't replace them.
    Been using jacks for years and totally agree! Stop by and take a look.

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  • BillFarthing
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    Thanks for the replies guys.


    Here's the dosages for a 5-gallon bucket of feed but dial in your own grow:


    Base: (Jacks/MB)- Veg/transition/flower
    3/2 ratio is 1 TBS MB/Jacks base, 1 tsp Cal Nit.

    Can ramp up to 18 grams base, 12 grams cal nit if possible by week 7 of flower. /5 gallon


    Transition: Flip until stretch is done
    Metalosate calcium- 5 grams /5 gallon
    Growmore Flowering Cal-Mag- 20 ml /5 gallon


    Flowering: Week 4-6 flower
    1 tsp. ~5 grams MKP /5 gallon


    Biostimulant: veg, transition, flower, flush
    Mr. Fulvic- 2.5-5ml/ 5 gallon

    Foliar: Veg/transition (1 gallon)
    15-30 ml insecticidal soap/Dr. Bronners, 0.5-1ml Mr. Fulvic
    Last edited by BillFarthing; 11-05-2020, 21:19.

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  • Hold Your Fire
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    I ordered fulvic, GM ca and mkp as well, to run with my bottles of GH Flora.

    When my bottles of GH run out, I have to give masterblend a try.

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  • indocult
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    Only using Jack's and not even the fulvic , calcium, or monopotassium phosphate, I've gotten pretty consistently 2.5 # per light and up to 3. That is with added co2 and environment in check.
    I have friends who use the whole lines of advanced, Athena ag, botanicare etc. And spend $$$ on their nutes. I grow the same strains and consistently get higher yields and higher quality than any of them, at 1/10th the price.

    Now I am adding the ca, fulvic, and MKP as suggested by Bill Farthing, and I can't wait to see the results.

    If I were you I would ditch the advanced, or use them up until they are gone and don't replace them.

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  • Bio boy
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    Thanks bill again for your patients.



    My head cant workout why ive followed years of grow foods like advanced and samuri cannna etc. And there addatives and socalled research. Ive come to somwhat agree and done research on bits as ive gone and its added up.



    To be tols i can use just 3 base salts and a couple of adds of nothing like what i added... My heads left saying how can i possibly compete with what i produce now as it seems more tailored what i use atm like i use a grow feed then a bloom feed. Here its all the same...

    Then i add only 3 other addatives but i can replace them with 1 booster.



    So what. About all the research done on other things we add and people researching the producys they use? Why do they all look good read good etc but like you guys say doesnt make a difference really.


    Now i know it works i do ive tested it and seen u guys arnt the first with outstading results.



    Im trying to shake the brainwashing i have of course but my heads saying how has all your reseraxh and learnt ways to increase yeild for years suddenly come void to somthing simpler and less...



    Checking your links now.. What did the tissue samplea show of mel franks that was wrong? I read mel frank years ago and based alot on him running simIlar to this stuff on lucas i got 21oz in 12 weeks on 1 jackhere my personal best compared to the 8 i get now lol.



    But i do grow smaller atm.



    Im looking at a 8kg bag of master blend right now and wondering if i should order it lol i wana but im hesitant im off to research this more.



    What are your yields like gpw? What lights and setup u using. Any more pics of them? Any 1 on this formula.





    Bill i wish i could meet u for an hour lol pick ur brain and let u kick my wrongful views away lol wud be a good discussion




    Eddit.. Just looming up the addatives i use here and there certified organic oim? The base nutrient isnt though.



    And the stuff in these 3 boosters seem really benifical? Maybe yli couls take a look and if not help me cause i do like em and wonder if i can use then with jacks.



    There the advanced nutrient. Nirvana bid candy and big bud.



    There extracs hormones and beneficial supporters which have some amazing effects on cannabis i find.





    But the a and b base is far from organic and synthetic so i see why the hell wud ya use organic certed items with synthetic fake bases lol
    Last edited by Bio boy; 11-04-2020, 00:35.

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  • indocult
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    Well I bought it all Willy nilly without reading much , and didn't even realize it was for foliar feeding! haha.

    Thanks again.

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  • Glaucksbacon
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    I do my own version of this with megacrop v1, realgrowers recharge, mkp, sweet candy also from megacrop, and a copper/spinosad spray for ipm.


    I'm itching to try jack's again, had a hard time with it a few years back, I'll take a look at that fulvic once my recharge runs out.



    Thanks Bill

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  • BillFarthing
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    Originally posted by indocult View Post
    Ok so I got the metasolate in,. I'm curious how much to use because the label just has per acre instructions.

    I can plug it in to the hydrobuddy but I don't yet understand what to do with that information/how to utilize the calculations.

    Custom Hydro's small volume mixing recommendation for Metalosate Calcium foliar fertilizer is 10-20 grams per gallon or 3-5 grams per liter of spray solution.

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  • indocult
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    Ok so I got the metasolate in,. I'm curious how much to use because the label just has per acre instructions.

    I can plug it in to the hydrobuddy but I don't yet understand what to do with that information/how to utilize the calculations.

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  • BillFarthing
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    Originally posted by CannaRed View Post
    Bill I have a question.
    How do they come up with these ratios and know that its optimum?

    In my thinking, they took tissue samples from plants that they fed. But wouldn't the levels of nutrients in the tissue depend on how much nutrients were given to the plant?
    If the sample shows that a leaf is low in a mineral, couldn't it mean that it wasn't given enough of that mineral? I always wondered about this.

    I pay for the tests. It's above my pay grade to put them together!


    Originally posted by Legalcdn View Post
    Great question canna.

    Also, is it not strain dependent? My bangi haze has an incredible appetite yet my malawi is not so.

    Genetics and phase of life cycle the plant is in. Sure. If you get a well balanced base like Jack's/MB that works well, you can keep testing down to a minimum.

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  • H G Griffin
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    Just wanted to back pop in and express my very sincere appreciation to @BillFarthing for his time, his knowledge and his patience.

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