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    #31
    Bump!!!! When do most of you guys stop using silicone in flowering?? I feed about 1/2 teaspoon almost every feeding. I'm about half way into flowering and usually kinda start backing off with 3wks to go or something.
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      #32
      "Silicon provides many benefits for plants including increased shoot and root density and increased yields (of which up to 65ppm of Si has been shown to be the most advantageous in hydroponic systems), it more importantly provides a much needed defense for plants against both biotic and abiotic stressors."

      up to 65ppm?

      so depending which conversation rate that is stated... its insanely small amount.

      0.1ec=50ppm=70ppm

      i have growthtechnologys liquid silica and by quick test 0.1ml of the stuff in 1liter of water ups the ec already by 0.2ec.

      and they state that you use it 0.5ml per liter o_O

      what gives?

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        #33
        Hi, could someone explain me which is the best formula to incrising silicium in coco growed plant?


        SiO4 os SiO2(silicon dioxide)..H4SiO4?


        I found SiO2 with potassium(for example in : Armor sil, potsil, armor tech etc(potassium silicate?) and SiO4 for example into mineralmagic (calcium carbonate?)..could has any sense to use both in the two different stages?


        according with this previous posted chart:






        which should be the more efficacy product?


        SAAT cropsil product really worth?

        https://www.zimex.cl/wp-content/uplo...forma-2017.pdf



        As they claim "silicates / SiO2, etc.re not plant available. Only mono-silicic acid (SA) can be absorbed by plants."

        so all the products for sale (GHE, Growtechnology, BAC) are completely useless?

        in another forum i found this:





        "Monosilicic acid? Primarily as a pure silica additive in the form that plants uptake quicker. It's H4SiO4.

        If you look into the silica cycle in soil you'll find that silicates(SiO3) go through a chemical change to SiO4. It's a slow process and you usually add silicates like potassium silicate to your soil months before the growing season. Using a monosilicic acid, you don't have to wait, basically. Plants will uptake SiO4 ions at a faster rate than SiO3 ions. And all these reasons are why silicic acid is commonly used on turf, at golf courses, for example, where you need quick growth turn around."


        I'm ever more confused.



        Hoping somebody could kind help me and sorry for my english!
        Last edited by Sante; 11-18-2019, 02:38.
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          #34
          Originally posted by Sante View Post
          Hi, could someone explain me which is the best formula to incrising silicium in coco growed plant?


          SiO4 os SiO2(silicon dioxide)..H4SiO4?


          I found SiO2 with potassium(for example in : Armor sil, potsil, armor tech etc(potassium silicate?) and SiO4 for example into mineralmagic (calcium carbonate?)..could has any sense to use both in the two different stages?


          according with this previous posted chart:

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          which should be the more efficacy product?


          SAAT cropsil product really worth?

          https://www.zimex.cl/wp-content/uplo...forma-2017.pdf



          As they claim "silicates / SiO2, etc.re not plant available. Only mono-silicic acid (SA) can be absorbed by plants."

          so all the products for sale (GHE, Growtechnology, BAC) are completely useless?

          in another forum i found this:





          "Monosilicic acid? Primarily as a pure silica additive in the form that plants uptake quicker. It's H4SiO4.

          If you look into the silica cycle in soil you'll find that silicates(SiO3) go through a chemical change to SiO4. It's a slow process and you usually add silicates like potassium silicate to your soil months before the growing season. Using a monosilicic acid, you don't have to wait, basically. Plants will uptake SiO4 ions at a faster rate than SiO3 ions. And all these reasons are why silicic acid is commonly used on turf, at golf courses, for example, where you need quick growth turn around."


          I'm ever more confused.



          Hoping somebody could kind help me and sorry for my english!
          I'm confused with you.

          Recently got a bag of RecycleSil I think it's called.
          Recycled from rice hulls, amorphous silica.
          I came back here to study, because I remember ibechillin had done quite a bit of research.

          Mostly, I'm not educated enough to understand, with a little bit of conflicting science thrown in, I'm totally lost.

          Im thinking that we should use different types of silica at different times, depending on our goal?

          One for root drench type applications, another for Foliar?

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            #35
            I've used Botanicare's Silica product but haven't noticed a tangible change. I think its a good additive but probably not going to make a noticeable difference without it.

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              #36
              The GH Armor Si didn't amaze me either, but at least it seems to have no sodium in it - Botanicare's Silica Blast says derived from sodium and potassium silicates. Why not just potassium? Either way it sucks to have such an alkaline additive.
              In the clinical field, the practical application of these substances must be awaited with the usual necessary patience. - Roger Adams
              Marihuana
              February 19, 1942

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                #37
                Came across this post on sprouting and fermenting rice shoots I wanted to share with everyone:

                Originally posted by CC_2U View Post
                Sprout some rice - the silica is in the shoots/plant material long before it is used by the plant to create the seed hulls.

                I have not had any luck with perfumed rice - Basmati, Jasmine, etc. - probably from the curing process. Hardcore brown rice from the healthfood stores worked best for me as far as sprouting.

                I let them get about 10" in length and then shoved them into a 1/2 gallon Mason jar filled with water and let it sit for 7 - 10 days. You'll see the signs of fermentation. Dilute and apply.

                HTH

                CC
                Originally posted by AVOH
                open mind leaves room for growth
                Originally posted by slownickel
                Guy, I have been testing coco for years, right out of the bag. It's all salty.

                Suggest you drop the blind faith and use a bit of science.
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                For almost 50 years I've smoked weed to enhance reality, not to escape from it...
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                Diffused light > Spectrum.
                Science Of Lighting & Plant Reactions (Sticky Thread):

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                Drying and Cure Process Explained In Depth (Sticky Thread):

                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=358186

                Pot Size, Root system and maximizing growth thread:

                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=344347

                Silicon, The Misunderstood Element:

                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=352413

                Humic and Fulvic acid information:

                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=352265

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                  #38
                  happy to have native elders who enjoyed botany, i mean if you got horsetail growing anywhere nearby its top shelf source of silica!

                  http://www.ryandrum.com/threeherbs1.htm

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                    #39
                    Found a use for the sodium form of silicate (common water glass) in:
                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5620593

                    We have observed a positive effect when hemp seeds are primed overnight with a solution of sodium metasilicate (Na2SiO3) 1 mM (Figure 1): the germination rate is higher and the plantlets are more vigorous.

                    However - there's nothing there that proves silicate is responsible rather than the water, alkalinity of the solution, or even the sodium, somehow.

                    Originally posted by Sante View Post
                    If you look into the silica cycle in soil you'll find that silicates(SiO3) go through a chemical change to SiO4. It's a slow process and you usually add silicates like potassium silicate to your soil months before the growing season.
                    The difference between silicic acid and soluble silicates is pH - the change is instant to minutes, depending on the concentration and pH.

                    It's all been covered at this site in other threads long before this thread was started. Search for silicate or silicic and a lot will come up. Sample:
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=248842
                    In the clinical field, the practical application of these substances must be awaited with the usual necessary patience. - Roger Adams
                    Marihuana
                    February 19, 1942

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                      #40
                      "thereby reducing the digestibility to herbavovores"! brilliant!

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