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    ShroomDr's Nutrient Formula Elemental NPK parts-per-million List!

    This thread lists the NPK of a few common products. It is also sorted by manufacturer and by type of product: main nutrients, PK boosters, cal-mags, vitamin & kelp products, and carb products.

    Nutrient lines can be hard to compare. Most liquid nutrient manufactures break up the essential elements into 2 parts (or more). Juggling 4 bottles, looking for up to 17 elements, trying to factor application rates, all can be difficult (especially when medicated in a store). Ive posted some of this before and I encourage others to help add to this list.

    Lets start with two related tangents. Two FACTS that a lot of new growers fail to comprehend.

    [Fact1]
    'PPM meters' do not measure parts-per-million. One more time, 'PPM meters' will not measure parts-per-million. 'PPM meters' actually measure electrical conductivity (EC) (EC measured in μS/cm or mS/cm) Then they take this μS/cm and convert it to a unit they have labeled 'ppm'. Different manufactures use different 'ppm' conversions, hence the different conversion factors. This is totally superfluous, and adds to consumer confusion.
    So I urge all users to use EC (μS/cm or mS/cm) instead of uselessly posting their 'ppm' without knowing their scale (If you are going through the trouble of posting your conversion, why not convert it for your audience?).
    Some products do not register on an EC meter and some register high vs the fertilizer present (for example, Liquid Karma raises the EC a lot, compared to the actual amount of fertilizer in contains. Most of this reading is from the 'Non-Plant Food Ingredients' Humic Acid, Aloe Vera, etc). The 'ppm' meter is useful for measuring the daily change of the EC (up or down), but will not give you the actual parts-per-million.
    [/Fact1]

    [Fact2]

    A (20-20-20) fertilizer is not equal parts N:P:K.
    P and K are calculated as P2O5 and K2O.
    The label factors in the atomic weight of oxygen

    P is 43.6% of what is labeled.

    P=31 O=16.

    P2O5 = (2 x 31) + (5 x 16) = 142.
    P = (2 x 31)=62.
    62/142 = 43.6% P in P2O5.


    K is 83% of what is labeled.

    K=39 O=16.

    K2O = (2 x 39) + (16) = 94.
    K = (2 x 39)=78.
    78/94 = 83% K in K2O.
    [/Fact2]



    We need a starting off point.
    The most referenced is: Mel Franks/pH/Lucas formula.
    N100 P100 K200 Mg60

    (This type of listing is the actual elemental parts-per-million; the reading you are searching for (and not getting) with your 'ppm meter'). These numbers have all came from the Canna Stats nutrient profile calculator. The math could be done by hand, but that page makes everything a lot easier.

    Here is the list, keep in mind that labels are a guaranteed minimum analysis, CNS17 for example lists only a handful of micros, CNS stands for Complete Nutrient Solution and the 17 is referencing the 17 elements they consider essential. I am sure there is more than the minimum that Botanicare chose to list (someone posted Botanicare considers this a trade secret).

    [Primer]
    (NH4) is ammonium nitrogen, (N03) is water soluble nitrogen, water soluble means immediately available to the plant.
    Anything marked 'NOT LISTED' means the element is listed in the ingredients but not the guaranteed minimum analysis.
    Magnesium Sulfate = epsom salt (MgSO4·7H2O).
    [/Primer]



    I would like to formally apologize for the half ass measurement of mL/Gal.



    Most products are listed at 10mL, 5mL, or 2.5mL per Gal application rate (for easy comparison, and math; keep in mind this may not be the labels recommended application rate).


    (Botanicare Labels)
    Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow (3-2-4) Mg.5% Ca1%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 91
    P 26
    K 101
    Mg 15
    Ca 30
    Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.2% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


    Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 61
    P 40
    K 126
    Mg 15
    Ca 30
    Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


    Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil And Coco (1-4-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 30
    P 55
    K 126
    Mg 15
    Ca 30
    Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.35% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


    Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca2.8% S1.1% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 91
    P 26
    K 101
    Mg 15
    Ca 85
    S 33
    Mn 1.5
    Mo 0.015
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


    Botanicare CNS17 Coco Grow (3-1-2) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca3.6% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 91
    P 13
    K 50
    Mg 15
    Ca 109
    S NOT LISTED
    Mn 1.5
    Mo 0.015
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


    Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2% S1.14% Mn.03% Mo.0003%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 61
    P 26
    K 126
    Mg 15
    Ca 61
    S 35
    Mn 0.9
    Mo 0.009
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


    Botanicare CNS17 Coco Bloom (2-2-3) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2.5% S1.14% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 61
    P 26
    K 75
    Mg 15
    Ca 76
    S 35
    Mn 1.5
    Mo 0.015
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


    Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) Mg.1% Ca0.15% S.1% Mn.01% Mo.0001%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 30
    P 66
    K 101
    Mg 3
    Ca 5
    S 3
    Mn 0.30
    Mo 0.003
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


    Dyna-Gro Grow (7-9-5) (NH4)2.6% (NO3)4.4% Mg0.5% Ca2.0% Fe0.1% S0.05% Mn0.05%
    @10ml/Gal
    N 242
    P 136
    K 143
    Mg 17
    Ca 69
    S 2
    Fe 3.4552
    B .691
    Cl NOT LISTED
    Co 0.0518
    Cu 1.7276
    Mn 1.7276
    Mo 0.0311
    Ni NOT LISTED
    Zn 1.7276
    Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Mono-Potassium Phosphate, Mono-Ammonium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Nickel Nitrate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobaltous Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, and Zinc.


    Dyna Gro Bloom (3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05%
    @10ml/Gal
    N 103
    P 181
    K 172
    Mg 17
    Ca 69
    S 3
    Fe 3.4552
    B .691
    Cl NOT LISTED
    Co 0.0518
    Cu 1.7276
    Mn 1.7276
    Mo 0.0311
    Zn 1.7276
    Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, Zinc Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate


    (General Hydroponics Labels)
    GH MaxiGro Powder (10-5-14) (NH4)1.5% (NO3)8.5% Mg2% Ca6.0% Fe.12% S3.0% Mn.05%
    @5g/Gal
    N 132
    P 29
    K 154
    Mg 26
    Ca 79
    S 40
    Fe 1.59
    B NOT LISTED
    Co NOT LISTED
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn 0.66
    Mo NOT LISTED
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Calcium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Manganese EDTA, Zinc Sulfate.


    GH MaxiBloom Powder (5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0%
    @5g/Gal
    N 66
    P 86
    K 154
    Mg 46
    Ca 66
    S 53
    Fe 1.32
    B NOT LISTED
    Co NOT LISTED
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn NOT LISTED
    Mo NOT LISTED
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


    GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7) (NH4)0.25% (NO3)3.75% Mg2.0% Ca4.0% Fe.1% S2.0%
    1380g/946mL = 1.459g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 154
    P 134
    K 224
    Mg 77
    Ca 154
    S 77
    Fe 3.85
    B NOT LISTED
    Co NOT LISTED
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn NOT LISTED
    Mo NOT LISTED
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


    GH FloraDuo Grow (sample) (6-0-6) (NH4)1.9% (NO3)4.1% Ca2.6% Fe.18% B.007% Co.0005% Cu.002% Mn.01% Mo.0015% Zn.003%
    538g/473mL = 1.1374g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 180
    P 0
    K 150
    Mg 0
    Ca 78
    S NOT LISTED
    Fe 5.40
    B 0.21
    Co 0.015
    Cu 0.060
    Mn 0.30
    Mo 0.045
    Zn 0.090
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Nitrate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate, Diethylenetriaminepentaacetic Acid, Ethylenediamine-bis(2hydroxyphenyl)acetic Acid, Ethylenediaminetetraacetic Acid, Urea.


    GH FloraDuo Bloom (sample) (0-4-2) Mg1.4% Fe.15% S1.6% B.008% Co.0005% Cu.002% Mn.008% Mo.0015% Zn.003%
    538g/473mL = 1.1374g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 0
    P 52
    K 50
    Mg 42
    Ca 0
    S 48
    Fe 4.5
    B 0.240
    Co 0.015
    Cu 0.060
    Mn 0.240
    Mo 0.045
    Zn 0.090
    Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate, Diethylenetriaminepentaacetic Acid, Ethylenediamine-bis(2hydroxyphenyl)acetic Acid, Ethylenediaminetetraacetic Acid.


    GH FloraDuo A (5-0-6) (NH4)0.6% (NO3)4.4% Mg.1% Ca3.0% Fe.05% B.018% Cu.007% Mn.03% Mo.0009% Zn.01%
    573g/473mL = 1.211g/mL
    @5mL/Gal
    N 80
    P 0
    K 80
    Mg 2
    Ca 48
    Fe 0.8
    B 0.29
    Mn 0.48
    Mo 0.014
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA.


    GH FloraDuo B (1-5-4) (NH4)0.45% (NO3)0.55% Mg1.5% S2.0% Fe.01% B0.01% Cu.003% Mn.01% Mo.0009% Zn.004%
    564g/473mL = 1.192g/mL
    @5mL/Gal
    N 16
    P 34
    K 52
    Mg 24
    S 32
    Fe 1.57
    B 0.16
    Cu 0.048
    Mn 0.16
    Mo 0.014
    Na NOT LISTED
    Zn 0.63
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono-Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA


    GH Flora Micro HardWater (5-0-1) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)4.7% Ca1.0% Fe.1% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
    4650g/3790mL = 1.123g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 162
    P 0
    K 27
    Mg 0
    Ca 32
    Fe 3.24
    B NOT LISTED
    Co 0.016
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn 1.62
    Mo 0.026
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Manganese EDTA, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate, Urea.


    GH Flora Micro (5-0-1) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)4.7% Ca5.0% Fe.1% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
    4650g/3790mL = 1.123g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 162
    P 0
    K 27
    Mg 0
    Ca 162
    S NOT LISTED
    Fe 3.24
    B NOT LISTED
    Co 0.016
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn 1.62
    Mo 0.026
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Manganese EDTA, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate.


    GH Flora Gro (2-1-6) (NH4)0.25% (NO3)1.75% Mg.5%
    4360g/3790mL = 1.15g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 61
    P 13
    K 151
    Mg 15
    Ca 0
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


    GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4) Mg1.5% S1.0%
    4360g/3790mL = 1.15g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N 0
    P 66
    K 101
    Mg 46
    Ca 0
    S 30
    Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


    Cutting Edge Solutions Master Brochure.pdf
    Cutting Edge Solution Micro (6-0-0) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)5.7% Ca5% Fe.1% B.02% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
    1200g/946mL = 1.27g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    201
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 0
    Ca 168
    S NOT LISTED
    Fe 3.35
    B 0.67
    Co 0.02
    Mn 1.68
    Mo 0.03
    Na NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Boric Acid, Cobalt Sulfate, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate.


    Cutting Edge Solution Bloom (0-6-5) Mg1% S2%
    1090g/946mL= 1.15g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 80
    K 126
    Mg 30
    Ca 0
    S 61
    Derived from: Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


    Technaflora BC Boost (3-0-2) Ca3.21% Fe.0409%
    562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    89
    P 0
    K 49
    Mg 0
    Ca 95
    Fe 1.21
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron DTPA.


    Technaflora BC Grow (1-3-6) Mg1.11% S1.44% B.0119% Cu.00384% Mn.0429% Mo.00041% Zn.0201%
    562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    30
    P 39
    K 148
    Mg 33
    Ca 0
    Fe 0
    S 43
    B 0.3
    Cu 0.11
    Mn 1.27
    Mo 0.012
    Zn 0.6
    Na NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


    Technaflora BC Bloom (1-4-7) Mg.852% S1.37% B.0072% Cu.00268% Mn.0240% Mo.00012% Zn.0139%
    562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    30
    P 52
    K 173
    Mg 25
    Ca 0
    Fe 0
    S 41
    B 0.21
    Cu 0.08
    Mn 0.71
    Mo 0.0036
    Zn 0.41
    Na NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


    Advanced Nutrients OLD Sensi Bloom Labels
    AN Sensi Bloom A (4.3-0-3.1) (NH4)0.1% (NO3)4.2% Ca1.7% Mo.0008%
    4100g/4000mL =1.025g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    116
    P 0
    K 70
    Mg 0
    Ca 46
    Fe NOT LISTED
    S 0
    B NOT LISTED
    Cu NOT LISTED
    Mn NOT LISTED
    Mo 0.22
    Zn NOT LISTED
    Na NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron EDTA, Cobalt EDTA, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA, Nitrogen Chelate, Potassium Chelate, Calcium Chelate, Iron Chelate, Boron Chelate, Cobalt Chelate Copper Chelate, Manganese Chelate, Molybdenum Chelate, Zinc Chelate, Urea. Fulvic Acid, Humic Acid.


    AN Sensi Bloom B (1.5-6.1-5.7) (NH4)0.02% (NO3)1.48% Mg1% Mo.0008%
    4100g/4000mL =1.025g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    41
    P 72
    K 128
    Mg 27
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monoammonium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Nitrogen Chelate, Phosphorous Chelate, Potassium Chelate, Magnesium Chelate, Urea.


    Advanced Nutrients NEW Sensi Bloom GMA's
    AN Sensi Bloom A (2-4-0) Mg0.6% Ca2.1%
    1g/1mL =1g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    53
    P 46
    K 0
    Mg 16
    Ca 55
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate.


    AN Sensi Bloom B (2-0-4) S1.1%
    1g/1mL =1g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    53
    P 0
    K 88
    Mg NOT LISTED
    S 29
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Urea.


    Bloom Advanced Floriculture
    Bloom Advanced Floriculture Coco Flower A (5.4-0-5.6) (NH4).36% (NO3)5.04% Ca4.14% Fe.004%
    1g/1mL =1g/mL
    @5g or mL/Gal
    N
    71
    P 0
    K 61
    Ca 55
    Fe 0.053
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Iron EDDHA. 0.004% Thiamine Hydrochloride.


    Bloom Advanced Floriculture Coco Flower B (3-3.6-8.2) Mg1.35% S1.71% Fe.027% B.007% Cu.001% Mo.001% Mn.005% Zn.0004%
    1g/1mL =1g/mL
    @5g or mL/Gal
    N
    40
    P 21
    K 90
    Mg 18
    S 23
    Fe 0.356
    B 0.092
    Cu 0.013
    Na NOT LISTED
    Mn 0.066
    Mo 0.013
    Zn 0.005
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA. 0.005 Leonardite Coal.


    Humboldt Nutrients
    Humboldt Nutrients Grow Natural (2-1-6)
    1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml (assumed)
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    65
    P 14
    K 163
    Derived from: Ocean Fish, Seaplant Extract, Quillaja Saponaria, Yucca Extract, Bentonite and Cane Molasses


    Humboldt Nutrients Bloom Natural (0-10-0) Ca10%
    1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 142
    K 0
    Ca 327
    Derived from: Soft Rock Phosphate, Kelp and 2% Yucca Extract.

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    NEW Botanicare Hydroplex (0-10-6) Mg .5% S.7% Fe.01% Mn.002% Mo.0001% Zn.0002%
    4360g/3800mL = 1.148g/mL
    @2.5mL/Gal
    N
    NOT LISTED
    P 33
    K 38
    Mg 4
    S 5
    Fe 0.076
    Mn 0.015
    Mo 0.0008
    Zn 0.0015
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Ferric Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate, Hydrolysates, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Thiamine, Pyridoxine, Glycine, Alanine, Valine, Leucine, Threonine, Aspartic Acid, Glutamic Acid, Lysine, Arginine, Histidine, Cysteine, Cysteine Methionine, Proline, Phenylalanine, Tyrosine, Tryptophan. (Everything hyperlinked is a B-Vitamin or Amino Acid.)


    OLD Botanicare Hydroplex Soil (0-12-8) Mg .5%
    2260g/1890mL = 1.196g/mL
    @2.5mL/Gal
    N
    NOT LISTED
    P 41
    K 52
    Mg 4
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonia Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate.


    GH Liquid KoolBloom (0-10-10)
    1120g/946mL = 1.184g/mL
    @2.5mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 34
    K 65
    Mg NOT LISTED
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate.


    GH KoolBloom Powder (2-45-28) (NH4)2% Mg1% S1.5%
    @1g/Gal
    N
    5
    P 52
    K 61
    Mg 3
    S 4
    Derived from:Potassium Phosphate, Ammonium Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate.


    Technaflora Awesome Blossoms (2-11-11) (NH4).82% (NO3)1.18% Fe.0008% B.00011% Cu.00011% Mn.00024% Mo.00001% Zn.00005%
    128g/125mL = 1.024g/mL
    @2.5mL/Gal
    N
    14
    P 32
    K 62
    Mg 0
    Ca 0
    S NOT LISTED
    Fe 0.005
    B 0.0007
    Cu 0.0007
    Mn 0.0016
    Mo 0.0001
    Na NOT LISTED
    Zn 0.0003
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Diphosphoric Acid, Ammonium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


    Humboldt Nutrients DeuceDeuce (0-0-22)
    1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
    @5mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 298
    Ca 0
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Potassium Sulfate, Ascophyllum Nodosum Kelp, and 1% Yucca Extract.

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    Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1%
    1.0208 g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    54
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 32
    Ca 86
    Fe 2.7
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.


    Technaflora MagiCal (2-0-0) Mg1.25% Ca3.25% Fe.11%
    142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    60
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 38
    Ca 98
    Fe 3.3
    Cl NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Chloride, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA.


    General Organics CaMg+ (0-0-0) Mg1% Ca5%
    1120g/946mL = 1.18393g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 31
    Ca 156
    Derived from: Calcium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Molasses.


    Ferti-lome Yield Booster Stop Blossom End Rot Foliar Spray (0-0-0) Ca1.5% Cl1.2%
    738g/710mL = 1.04g/mL
    @1mL/Gal
    N 0
    P 0
    K 0
    Ca 4
    Cl 3.30
    Derived from: Calcium Chloride.

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    Technaflora Root66 (1-1-1) (NH4)1% Fe0.05% B0.05%
    255g/250mL = 1.02g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    27
    P 12
    K 22
    Fe 1.35
    B 1.35
    Derived from: Ascophyllium Kelp, Iron EDTA, Boric Acid. 0.5% Cane Sugar.


    Botanicare Liquid Karma (.1-.1-.5)
    950g/960mL = 0.98958 g/mL (THIS CANT BE RIGHT, UNLESS IT'S LIGHTER THAN WATER) Thanks for proofreading your labels Botanicare.
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    3
    P 1
    K 11


    Dark Energy (2-0-0) (NO3)2%
    1016g/960mL = 1.06g/mL
    @2.5mL/Gal
    N
    14
    P 0
    K 0
    Derived from: Protein Hydrolysate.


    GH Floralicious Plus (2-0.8-0.02)
    1070g/946mL = 1.13g/mL
    @1mL/Gal
    N
    6
    P 0.1
    K 0
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Vegetable Protein Hydrolysate, Potassium Sulfate. 2% Humic Acids. 20% Sea Kelp derived from Ascophyllum Nodosum.


    Technaflora Thrive Alive B1 Green (1-1-1) Fe.01%
    142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
    @5mL/Gal
    N
    15
    P 7
    K 12
    Fe 0.3
    Derived from: Macrocystis Kelp, Nereocystis Kelp, Ascophyllum Kelp, All Natural Organic Fertilizer. 0.9% Vitamin B1.


    Technaflora Thrive Alive B1 Red (1-1-1) (NH4).5% (NO3).5%
    142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
    @5mL/Gal
    N
    15
    P 7
    K 12
    Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Diammonium Phosphate, Macrocystis Kelp, Nereocystis Kelp, Ascophyllum Kelp. 0.9% Vitamin B1.


    General Organics Black Diamond (0-0-1)
    992g/946mL = 1.04863g/mL
    @5mL/Gal
    N 0
    P 0
    K 11
    Derived from: Potassium Hydroxide. 6% Humic Acids.


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    Botanicare Sweet Original Berry (0-0-0) Mg1.5% S2%
    1080g/960mL = 1.065 g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 42
    Ca 0
    S 56
    Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate.


    Technaflora Sugar Daddy (0-0-0) Mg1.6% S1.75%
    277.75g/250mL = 1.11g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 47
    Ca 0
    S 51
    Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate. 2% Cane Sugar.


    GH Flora Nectar FruitnFusion (0-0-1) Mg.5% S.5%
    1030g/946mL = 1.09g/ml
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 24
    Mg 14
    Ca 0
    S 14
    Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate. 17.5% Cane Sugar 7.5% Malt Extract, 5% Molasses.


    Safegrow Fulmag (0-0-0) Mg.5%
    544g/470mL = 1.16g/mL
    @10mL/Gal
    N
    0
    P 0
    K 0
    Mg 15
    S NOT LISTED
    Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Citric Acid.


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    55 Products, I'll keep updating!
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    Note: With the '2 part' formulas listed, All the Ca and Fe come exclusively from the micro/boost bottle (Most of the N too [in the form of Calcium Nitrate]).
    All these 'Carb/Sugar' products contain Magnesium Sulfate aka epsom salt.
    I would like to discuss these and other occurrences.
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    PLEASE HELP ADD TO THE LIST. I do not have access to H&G, and I would love to see other PK boosters, etc. Again all the info was put into the CannaStats Nutrient Profile Calculator.
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    #2
    Here are a few common formulas people seem to use

    There are at least two things people call 'Lucas'. Some call it 'Lucas Ratio', referring specifically to his 1:2 mix of GH FloraMicro:GH FloraBloom (8ml:16mL). Some refer to 'Lucas' as the the actual elemental NPK breakdown of 100N 100P 200P (Of which, this mix comes pretty close) (I believe this target predates Lucas by decades;TY Mel Franks).

    GH Flora Micro @8mL/Gal = 130N 0P 22K 130Ca 2.6Fe +
    GH Flora Bloom @16mL/Gal = 0N 106P 161K 73Mg

    8+16 = 130N 106P 183K 73Mg 130Ca 2.6Fe


    Another mix still using the Flora Series is the H3ad/Rez mix. They both use coco as a substrate, and their mix is a 2:3 ratio of GHFM:GHFB (6ml:9mL)

    (They also add a PK booster 2-3X during flower).

    GH Flora Micro @6mL/Gal = 97N 0P 16K 97Ca 1.9Fe +
    GH Flora Bloom @9mL/Gal = 0N 60P 91K 41Mg

    6+9 = 97N 60P 107K 41Mg 97Ca 1.9Fe


    NOTE: The biggest change is the drop in K (P Mg too). I assume this augmentation is because as coco breaks down it releases K.

    Here is A similar NPK profile with a newer product called Cutting Edge Solution (CES)

    CES Micro @ 5mL/Gal = 101N 0P 0K 84Ca 1.7Fe
    CES Bloom @8mL/Gal = 0N 64P 101K 24Mg

    5+8 = 101N 64P 101K 24Mg 84Ca 1.7Fe


    (Again, this is also supplemented with a PK boost 2-3X during flower).

    CES seems low on Mg, i believe they have two products called Amp (one is Ca, one is Mg). I believe the Ca says it will drop the pH, and to leave it there for a day or two. Clarification from actual users would be greatly appreciated.
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        #4

        nice work...
        should be good discussion.
        all these factor in nutrient uptake & use...

        calcium antagonisms....
        precipitation (iron, calcium, magnesium, etc)...
        so-called '1-parts'...
        so-called 'cal-mag's
        ph...
        water quality...
        cation exchange/cation exchange capcity of specific medium...
        media-type...
        water input...
        dehumidification (water out-put/vpd)...

        calcium & ph being most influential, ivho...

        link to thread for further methods of calculating ec, ppms, & preferably millimhos, whic calculate actual weight of elements in solution...
        also, formulas for calculating npk/profiles by hand, other calculators, & how to calculate ppms of molasses & other common food-stuff amendments...

        calculating npk/nutrient profile

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          #5
          So a few topics i would like to open for discussion


          1.) Why are all these nutrient companies adding epsom salt to Carb products?

          Im pretty sure too much Mg will lock out Ca (the most important immobile) I thought it was equal parts Mg:Ca caused lockout (general recommendations are K:Ca:Mg 8:4:1 or 4:2:1). This makes me want to find Carb products without Magnesium Sulfate. Also, i have never heard of flushing with epsom salt, but plenty flush with carbs.

          2.) Interesting that Technaflora Micro is identical to the Cal-Mags accept for having Potassium Nitrate (MagiCal adds Calcium Chloride, and another form of Iron).

          3.) The different forms of Fe (DTPA, EDDHA, EDTA, did i miss one) and the other mircos.

          4.) I wish i had more bloom boosters on the list, but do most have micros the way Awesome Blossoms does?

          5. Again noting, with these three 'two parts', the micro/boost bottles contain all the Ca and Fe.

          6. A proper N:Ca ratio?
          GH seems to be 1:1, CES seems to be 1:0.84 Technaflora 1:1.07 (Technaflora P:K ratio is different than the first two).

          There are plenty of occurrences/similarities/anomalies i would love to discuss about nutrient manufactures. Hell at some point ill add a price/Gal of nutrient solution (I think i had CNS @ $0.17/Gal).
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            #6
            House and Garden only put the NPK on there bottles no calcium or magnesium. The other thing I noticed is they really love Potassium Hydroxide. I had all of AN stuff in the cannastats calculator but they changed there lineup again.

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              #7
              I'm diggin' this thread Shroom Dr. Thanks for posting this and for your help in the past.
              If I had anything to contribute, I would, still too new. But I'm hookin' up to learn from this one.

              Thx!

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                #8
                Thanks for taking the time to compile all that info.
                I've had this idea of water nutrient analysis. As we all know there are services out there that will test your water, all you gotta do is send them a smaple and pay the fee. So I was thinkng about mixing up my current nutrient formula and sending in a sample. I know the nutrient calculator is pretty good but why not see what the ppm's really are or to see how accurate the nutrient calculator is?

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                  #9
                  Good discussion, funnily enough I been playing about on the cannastats calc today and also just watched a pottv vid on Mel Frank, seems he was instrumental in more than just the profile you discuss herein. But I suppose that's another thread entirely

                  I am currently using a 1 part (Canna Terra Bloom), here are the stats~

                  @19ml/Gal = 125N 44P 167K 40Mg 0Ca 0.7Fe if the Mg figure to input to calc is MgO... If not then 25Mg

                  Seems P and Mg are bit low compared to Mel's recs... I think they leave out Ca as it's for hardwater? maybe not...
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ShroomDr View Post
                    CNS17 for example lists almost no Mg or Ca, CNS stands for Complete Nutrient Solution.
                    http://www.americanagritech.com/fertilizers/cns17

                    click on the name of each product and that on the picture of the label.

                    for example, the Hydro Grow: 1.10% S, 2.8% Ca, .5% Mg

                    Hell at some point ill add a price/Gal of nutrient solution (I think i had CNS @ $0.17/Gal).
                    IMO, the CNS17 Hydro Grow with it's more than enough S and Ca and probably Mg is the most cost efficient one-part LIQUID nutrient product.

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                      #11
                      Scotts Peters Professional Hydro-Sol (5-11-26) ($40.03 - 25 lb. bag) + YaraLiva Calcium Nitrate (15.5-0-0 + 26.3% Ca) ($22.72 - 50 lb. bag) + Epsom salts (coupla bucks for a carton at CVS?)

                      Step 1: Dissolve 130 ounces or 8 pounds 2 ounces of Peters in 1000 gallons to obtain the following concentrations:

                      N (All Nitrate) - 50 ppm
                      P - 48 ppm
                      K - 216 ppm
                      Mg - 31 ppm
                      S - 125 ppm
                      Fe - 3 ppm
                      Manganese - .50 ppm
                      Zinc - .15 ppm
                      Copper - .15 ppm
                      Boron - .50 ppm
                      Molybdenum - .10 ppm

                      Step 2. Based on the results of a current water test, determine if additional Mg is required. An average of 50 ppm Mg in the final solution is desirable for most crops. If water test results indicate that additional Mg is required, dissolve Epsom salts. One ounce of Epsom salts dissolved in 100 gallons (10 oz./1,000 gallons) supplies 7.5 ppm Mg.

                      Step 3. After the Hydro-Sol and any Epsom salts needed have been dissolved in the tank, proceed as follows:
                      * Dissolve 86 ounces of calcium nitrate in the same 1000 gallons. Total nutrient concentration will then be: Nitrogen as N: 150 ppm N, Calcium as Ca 116 ppm Ca

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                        #12
                        Interesting! I will post some tomorrow, got many lines as samplepacks!

                        However there is something I'm bothering a lot. I have ATAMI products but none states what they contain. The only one it states something is the bloombastic.

                        I'm not keen on using unknow products and wondering if somebody can point me out to where I can find such informations. in particular B'Cuzz Coco/Coco Max/Hydro A+B, Atazyme, atami pk 13-14, Ataclean
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                          #13
                          Just added The rest of CNS17 line, and updated to the current PBP line. Some of the g/mL weights were off, i fixed them. All of the gal. size bottles of PBP and CNS17 list 4.360kg and 3.8L (=1.47g/mL) but the quart size list .93kg and 960mL (=.969g/mL) (The difference in g/mL can give up to a 25% swing on the nute calc.)

                          These numbers are pretty far apart (and inexcusable imho), I dont think the Gal size is more concentrated, given the fact that both have the same effect on EC (I tested Ripe). This was also a problem with silica blast years ago (even their universal label had discrepancies; Ive posted about this before).
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                            #14
                            http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-nutrient.html

                            might be helpful in this field.

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                              #15
                              Nice Link, that is a worthy project. I didnt dl the calc but in the notes it says:

                              "Added Ammonium Molybdates (ortomolybdate and heptamolybdate) to salts list"

                              Often referred to as simply ammonium molybdate, it can refer to
                              ammonium paramolybdate (NH4)6Mo7O24·4H2O
                              or
                              ammonium orthomolybdate, (NH4)2MoO4

                              Given the fact that the needed Mo ppm is below 0.1, the ammonium difference between the two formulas is (VERY) negligible. But I love the idea non the less.

                              edit: Interestingly, Cutting Edge Solution and Technaflora both list Sodium Molybdate, Bontanicare and GH list Ammonium Molybdate.
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