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    #31
    Originally posted by romanoweed View Post

    One last: Hoabac - Reeferman, collected at aproximatly 1000 meters in southern Vietnam, nearly finished bud at 7 November:
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      #32
      romanoweed interesting, when was the last time you fertilized them? Good luck with your projects! Dont know a lot about genetics but am young and learning. How is cannabis scene over there in Switzerland?


      ngakpa interesting, know a few mountain pastures where horses graze hmmm
      oh no, i think i got another side project in my head now but composting manure could be really simple if i prepare pile in summer and leave it for a year or two. Plus its easier to carry weight down hill than up.


      On animals: i often meet roe, reed deer and occasional chamois. Roe deer are smaller and will peel off stem with horns and nibble on side branches. If you can somehow put obstacles around the main stem (thorny brambles or sticks blocking access are enough) you should be ok. Red deer is more difficult, especially huge males who just bulldoze their way through shrubery and eat whole plants. Nothing much can be done, accept loses and move on.





      All above mentioned animals make specific paths, sometimes more species use the same ones. Roe and chamois will make "highways" but will be very short and as a rule you will have to dodge a lot of branches. Chamois will stick to rocky, stony slopes, rarely venturing in lower forests if there is no rocky terrain there.


      Once every few years mice will blow up in population size and will nibble on stem and young shoots, plus after much of the vegetation dies off in mid november they will start eating seeds


      Same with “white grubs”, larvae of mostly maybugs. They love hummus rich warm soils and eat roots. Lately i have been noticing more and more of them as soils are getting warmer. Boars will dig up turf in search for them since they are protein rich.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Rosomah View Post
        romanoweed interesting, when was the last time you fertilized them? Good luck with your projects! Dont know a lot about genetics but am young and learning. How is cannabis scene over there in Switzerland?


        ngakpa interesting, know a few mountain pastures where horses graze hmmm
        oh no, i think i got another side project in my head now but composting manure could be really simple if i prepare pile in summer and leave it for a year or two. Plus its easier to carry weight down hill than up.


        On animals: i often meet roe, reed deer and occasional chamois. Roe deer are smaller and will peel off stem with horns and nibble on side branches. If you can somehow put obstacles around the main stem (thorny brambles or sticks blocking access are enough) you should be ok. Red deer is more difficult, especially huge males who just bulldoze their way through shrubery and eat whole plants. Nothing much can be done, accept loses and move on.


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        All above mentioned animals make specific paths, sometimes more species use the same ones. Roe and chamois will make "highways" but will be very short and as a rule you will have to dodge a lot of branches. Chamois will stick to rocky, stony slopes, rarely venturing in lower forests if there is no rocky terrain there.


        Once every few years mice will blow up in population size and will nibble on stem and young shoots, plus after much of the vegetation dies off in mid november they will start eating seeds


        Same with “white grubs”, larvae of mostly maybugs. They love hummus rich warm soils and eat roots. Lately i have been noticing more and more of them as soils are getting warmer. Boars will dig up turf in search for them since they are protein rich.
        Irish spring bar soap cut into 1 inch squares spread around grow area keeps veggie eaters away from.mt experience. I know it sou ds wacky but it works
        I eat legos

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          #34
          @ngaakpa

          Do you knwow that for a Fact the Hoabac is Melfanks Cambodian?

          @Rosomah

          I brought in Compost the Year before i planted at one Spot. Or just used very rich soil. 1 I use to look at vegetation, it can show if PH is good. Alltho i forgot the most, i recall Needle-Trees are bad for PH. 2. I look at soilstructure, if its sandy (dosent crumble much) its bad, if its to clay like (doesc clump) its bad, needds to be middle. 3. I collect Soilsample, place it into clear glas Water, shake, and when the look of the dust is nerly clear that means no nutrients inside, if its rather dark that means nutrients.

          Yeah i also tend to use longtermfert, just once . I found Seaweed (probably that from lakes works aswell) has nearly all Micronutrients. Plus some Chickenpoo, or buyable NPK fertilizer would bring in Macronutrients, that way i could grow in a Desert.. All cheap, all lightweight, all Nurtients there, all longterm. good for Guerillas like me.

          @nakpa
          Im not shure if you know exactly what the whole Vietnam Thai peoples grow or grew up there in History. Its a good Info, and might be often truh. I know there is much Hemp at the northern Viet, i know. But do we know everything that ever happend there , even in the 1900? I think we know basically nothing. If you really do, please tell me how good the viet was from vietnam in 1900s, and exactly wich region had the best. I never ever heard anyone know more than some hints and bits especially about SEAsian Cannais History. And i google atleast like an idiot for the old viet Thai, cause i smoked the old one once. And if the strains changed so extreem, so if today the hmong only live at hills, who knows what happend in 1900, when the realdeal tripweed was around (in my Oppinon).
          I asked up and down the net how vietnamese/ thai was bread. I only found 2 Peoples on my idiotilike hunt that knew a tiny bit. You sound so convinced, makes me bit unshure. I apprecjhiate it as a general information, but to say it was a given Fact sounds too convinced .

          I mean i have seen three 70s Vietlines that two of them are fat and shortflowering, one was reasonably shortflowering. And are good in Effect (one i dont know, but looks strong). That doesent debunk what you say, but does say what i could imagine: that there are prety good compromiss-Lines between trippyness and performability from this higher Altitudes in SEAsia
          Last edited by romanoweed; 11-26-2020, 15:37.

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            #35
            Originally posted by romanoweed View Post
            Do you knwow that for a Fact the Hoabac is Melfanks Cambodian?
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              #36
              Originally posted by romanoweed View Post
              @nakpa
              Im not shure if you know exactly what the whole Vietnam Thai peoples grow or grew up there in History. Its a good Info, and might be often truh. I know there is much Hemp at the northern Viet, i know. But do we know everything that ever happend there , even in the 1900? I dont think we know basically nothing. If you really do, please tell me how good the viet was from vietnam in 1900s, and exactly wich region had the best. I never ever heard anyone know more than som hints and bits especially about SEAsian History. And i google atleast like an idiot for the old viet Thai, cause i smoked the old one once. And it the strains changed so extreem, so if today the hmong only live at hills, who knows what happend in 1900, when the realdeal tripweed was around (in my Oppinon).
              I asked up and down the net how vietnamese/ thai was bread. I only found 2 Peoples an my idiotilike hunt that knew a tiny bit. You sound so convinced, makes me bit unshure. I apprecjhiate it as a general information, but to say it was a given Fact sounds too convinced .

              I mean i have seen three 70s Vietlines that two of them are fat and shortflowering, one was reasonably shortflowering. And are good in Effect (one i dont know, but looks strong). That doesent debunk what you say, but does say what i could imagine: that there are prety good compromiss-Lines between trippyness and performability from this higher Altitudes in SEAsia
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                #37
                i didnt mean to claim, that you claimed. Its hard to understand the exact meaning of Words as nonnative english-speaker. Oh thats good info about Mel Frank stating his Cambodian is from Hoabac. So, im pretty convinced now too, that reefermans Hoabac is Melfranks Cambod. As he also had recieved one of his Thai Breedingstock from him. Well researched, it makes sense.

                Reeferman sometimes might make some things up, but rather not the typical Claiming-his-Landraces-as-pure-if-they-arent. i tend to think.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by romanoweed View Post
                  i didnt mean to claim, that you claimed. Its hard to understand the exact meaning of Words as nonnative english-speaker.
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ngakpa View Post
                    that comment about "maybe the Hmong didn't live at altitude in 1900" shows you've not got experience or knowledge about the Hmong
                    I never mad this comment, i think it was just wrongly transferred between us

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                        #41
                        i can. the full meaning with the full line in context was:if today hmong people live at hills, who knows what they GREW in the 1900s

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                          #42
                          Sunshineinabag everyday i learn something new love forums for that.


                          romanoweed
                          Vaccinium myrtillus and Castanea sativa will 100% tell you soil is acidic.
                          General rule: if bedrock is from carbonate sedimentary rock like limestone soil will be heavier in clay and higher pH.
                          If soil is from non carbonate sedimentary rock you can expect lower pH. Not a hard rule but something i noticed in my area.
                          A thing about the jar test... you cant directly tell from the color of water about nutrients. Hummus (black stuff) is a good indication but salts also bond on clay crystal structure. Clay is the best at retaining nutrients but needs more for exchange to start, meaning i fertilize clay soils more, add more hummus and mulch so they dont dry and crack in summer drought.


                          Best combination i noticed so far is light hummus rich top soil and clay subsoil, try to imitate every time when making new spots. Usually i use holes from toppled trees, draw soil in so the hole is leveled, cover with topsoil and sprinkle with fert and mulch. With tools i have its easier than digging and my spine is happier.


                          Ngakpa and romanoweed interesting

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by romanoweed View Post
                            i can. the full meaning with the full line in context was:if today hmong people live at hills, who knows what they GREW in the 1900s
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                              #44
                              My last post about hmong..

                              First an Elevation map of vietnam, The 4000 feet/1200 meters is in Dalat. some most mythical vietnamese came from dalat.Many who smoked vietnamese mention dalat as best


                              Secound: Hmong language Map.


                              There are some Hmong in Dalat too, but i feel from researche theyre not that many in Dalat. Many room for shorter flowering Vietnamese. Not saying your general Idea that good weed is rare in hmong regions might be true, but just saying, many room is there for what i say: shorterflowering vietnamese. A whole Mountain-string (sorry english) up till the North and thousands of squarefeet, probably not compleetly inhabited till the last meter by hmong, especially in Dalat

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by romanoweed View Post
                                Not saying your general Idea that good weed is rare in hmong regions might be true,
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