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    Alright, got out of the shorty tent so now I can grow these out with out too much bondage. Finally get a shot at the Jamiacan Double Jam. Been waiting a long time to grow out some proper Gyanja!
    Had a small hick up. I planted on Aug 9th and several days later when everything was coming up and looking good a damn mouse got in the tent and dug up half of the seedlings. I live in a farmhouse so it happens once in awhile but damn, they always go for the best ones.

    No problems, put on some Reggae, chilled out and re planted on the 16th. Nothing but good vibes going on now. 19 of 20 are up and looking good. Everything is Iree!

    Last edited by Rembetis; 08-31-2020, 17:50.

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    I have two sources of seeds. I missed out on all the good Jamaican offers before like the Blue Mountain and JGL's Double Jam so I ordered 4 packs of the Jamaican Spirit. I wanted plenty to mess around with and see what the line has to offer. To my surprise the was an extra envelope marked "Double" which I have to assume was leftovers of JGL's original offering of the Double Jam. Thank you very much seedsman.

    So here is the thing. I know Charlie Garcia made a comment that the JBM had gotten "fatter" from when he first grew it. The 3 "Double" plants look to have fatter leaves than what I would expect. I know that it is supposed to start out fat and get thinner so time will tell. I really hope that there wasnt a mix up at the seed co.

    Hoping that Mustafunk or Roms can chime in on this one. The top row is the JS and the three on bottom are the "Double"

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      #3
      Seeing some nice narrow leaves on a few. Dare I say Lambsbread Phenos?

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        #4
        Found some of Jah Green Labels photos of the Blue Mountain 1985. Wow, they really did have some fat leaves. Indicas were already on the Island by then so ?

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          #5
          compare that to what I saw at 9 mile and Fern Gulley in the early 80's

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            #6
            Time for the weekly Monday update. Still not much to see but they are progressing nicely. The earliest plants to emerge are now at 6 nodes at right around two weeks. I have now planted all 4 packs in the hopes that I can find enough of the Lambsbread phenos to make a concentrated effort in that direction.



            Above photo is Blue Mountain leaners on the left and Lambsbread leaners on the right.



            coming out of the seedling stage and starting to stretch

            I'll end todays update with some Positive Vibes. Some Art work from my friend Jah Calo in Belmont Bluefields. Stop by and visit with him if you make it down there. His place is called Studio Black and about a block down is Peter Tosh's place. Stop by and pay your Respects

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              #7
              Originally posted by Rembetis View Post
              So here is the thing. I know Charlie Garcia made a comment that the JBM had gotten "fatter" from when he first grew it. The 3 "Double" plants look to have fatter leaves than what I would expect. I know that it is supposed to start out fat and get thinner so time will tell. I really hope that there wasnt a mix up at the seed co.
              The JBM 85 was collected by Siete, one of the original founders of CBG and also author of the Spanish Cannabis Encyclopedia . He collected personally those seeds during a trip and also provided most other foundational genetics for CBG like Pakistan Chitral, Morocco, Uzbekistan, Meao Thai, Capricho (Colombian/Mexican) and so on.

              He said there were two main expresions on those Jamaicans, one very wild and longer, another with more potency, production and broader leaves, quicker too. They obvioulsy decided to work with the most comercial expression for the seed company.

              I've seen both wild looking JBMs and others, with a squat and compact appereance that almost looked like NLD/BLD hybrids and finished around 60 days:



              Best.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Mustafunk View Post
                They obviously decided to work with the most commercial expression for the seed company.


                Best.
                what a pity!
                If all things were turned to smoke, the nostrils would distinguish them.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mustafunk View Post

                  I've seen both wild looking JBMs and others, with a squat and compact appereance that almost looked like NLD/BLD hybrids and finished around 60 days:

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                  Best.
                  Hello Mustafunk. Was hoping you would join in on this thread.

                  About the 60 day finishers: The fat leaf plants and the photo from JGL was bothering me so I went back thru the Blue Mountain thread. Not long after JGL started his grow in the thread it was discovered that people were actually talking about 4 different Blue Mountains with 3 being Skunk crosses and the one Charlie had was assumed to be pure. I can see where people could very easily be confused and it would sure explain 60 day finishers in a Jamaican line.

                  I am not sure where JGL got his seeds or cuts but I have to wonder if he mistakenly got ahold of the Skunk version. The "Double " plants I was growing got very fat and matched up with his photo but not knowing for sure what they are they were pulled. I am doing a seed run so no need to keep them any longer.

                  I haven't seen any of the fat leaves in the Double Jam thread so maybe those particular plants weren't used when he created the Double Jam.
                  You have much more experience with the line so I am curious to hear what you think and also the difference between the pheno's.

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                    #10
                    Another question regarding phenos, has there been any mention of electric or trippy effects found in this line or the Lambsbread?
                    I hear talk about Lambsbread being spiritual and special because it comes from the Rasta's but what does that really mean? It seems like in the Lambsbread thread that most people lean towards the idea that it should be meditative and introspective. My experience in Jamaica in the early 80's was the electric and trippy one with pulses (vibrations?) running thru the body.

                    The Rastas like to talk about Meditation and Reasoning which at times can be the same thing and there is a time and place for that. Sitting around with friends enjoying nature and quiet conversation. But if once a week you were wanting to reach a higher plane and plug into some cosmic energy and commune with God wouldnt you want to be putting something stronger in the Chalice?

                    The guys in 9 mile were all Marley family. It doesnt get more Rasta than that. The hand rubbed "Gum" as they call it that they sent with us was trippy and so was the weed we scored in Fern Gulley. Same type plants both places. The guys in Fern Gulley were Rasta too.

                    Last several trips the Rastas I've talked with are smoking and growing imported genetics and didnt seem to care about what we call Lambsbread or the "old" lines so maybe they are moving towards a more Indica influenced feeling. They think its funny that I care about the old lines.

                    Anyway, thought I would throw that out there for the sake of conversation
                    Last edited by Rembetis; 09-01-2020, 20:51.

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                      #11
                      Its funny how quickly things can change in a grow room. One of the recent seedlings to pop is showing the fat leaf and a couple more that are now above ground are also looking fat.



                      Same one with a more hybrid, Blue Mountain looking plant



                      and on the other end an extreme looking Lambsbread pheno seedling



                      Guess that answers the question about which plants JGL used as parents

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rembetis View Post
                        Another question regarding phenos, has there been any mention of electric or trippy effects found in this line or the Lambsbread?
                        I hear talk about Lambsbread being spiritual and special because it comes from the Rasta's but what does that really mean? It seems like in the Lambsbread thread that most people lean towards the idea that it should be meditative and introspective. My experience in Jamaica in the early 80's was the electric and trippy one with pulses (vibrations?) running thru the body.

                        The Rastas like to talk about Meditation and Reasoning which at times can be the same thing and there is a time and place for that. Sitting around with friends enjoying nature and quiet conversation. But if once a week you were wanting to reach a higher plane and plug into some cosmic energy and commune with God wouldnt you want to be putting something stronger in the Chalice?

                        The guys in 9 mile were all Marley family. It doesnt get more Rasta than that. The hand rubbed "Gum" as they call it that they sent with us was trippy and so was the weed we scored in Fern Gulley. Same type plants both places. The guys in Fern Gulley were Rasta too.

                        Last several trips the Rastas I've talked with are smoking and growing imported genetics and didnt seem to care about what we call Lambsbread or the "old" lines so maybe they are moving towards a more Indica influenced feeling. They think its funny that I care about the old lines.

                        Anyway, thought I would throw that out there for the sake of conversation

                        Hiya Rembetis the high your describing sounds like a good old school Thai now here is something interesting i read last week apparently Bob Marley's Favored smoke was Thai.

                        Could it be the old Lambsbread was Thai.
                        Team-Haze

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                          #13
                          Hi @Hempy,I bet ole Bob had access to anything he wanted once he got famous.

                          There is a story about Thai having come into the Negril area a long time ago. There is also a local strain known as Thyme which sounds a lot like Thai to me. I have been in contact with my buddies down there and when I asked about that the answer was " I believe that is so". It was a local strain so dont know if it went around the island.

                          The garden I was shown at 9 mile was not presented as anything special. It was the Ganja they had always grown. The guys at Fern Gulley were poor and growing the same stuff so even if Bob had access to other strains I dont know that they did. Its also the same stuff you see in the old photos of the time so I believe that what I saw was indeed the old Jamaican.

                          Also, others have chimed in on various threads that had similar experiences in Jamaica. As I mentioned previously I never thought of Jamaican as mellow. The old Jamaican was a much longer flowering strain that has been tamed down somewhat now. I think that has something to do with trippy highs.

                          Its interesting to contemplate but in the end we can never know. The Indian connection makes the most sense to me so maybe thats where it came from.

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                            #14
                            I think a good Indian sativa rolled in a joint would give as good an affect as a good Thai rolled in a joint so makes seance.

                            I only saw imported Jamaican here once odd looking flowers they had grown in a twisted way like a cork screw the smell was strong to.

                            I hope you find some nice plants in the grow mate will be following with interests.
                            Team-Haze

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                              #15
                              Interesting that you mention the flowers because I've seen mentioned in various threads that its the wispy old style flowers that seem to do the trick. Ones that people now a days would discount based on looks.
                              For all the progress in fattening up buds for yield it would seem that something got left behind.

                              I haven't seen a Thai plant in 35 years and haven't seen any Indian plants. Something I've noticed on both parents of this line is the heavy serrations. If I remember correctly the old Jamaican did not have prominent serrations. Is the Thai or Indian like that or is that a characteristic of Tropical Sativas in general?

                              Looks like I need to dig into some Thai and Indian threads just for curiosity's sake.

                              Update: I took a quick look at Thai, Kerala and Columbians in various threads. The Thai brought back memories and it looks like what I remember growing in the 80's but its not what Jamaican looks like. The overall structure of the larger plants isn't right. Same for the Columbians. The closest I would say is the Kerala although its not quite the same and I wouldnt expect it to be after 150 years.

                              The Jamaican has a unique look to it. I noticed that with these other strains that early on the leaves are somewhat fatter and then thin out over time. The Jamaican is very skinny from day one as you can see in my old photos.
                              Last edited by Rembetis; 09-02-2020, 15:38.

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