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    I don't think around 1985 , there was already bld genes from Afghanistan, Pakistan in Jamaica.I can remember i smoked good Jamaican import in the early 90s which gave you flash backs like acid or shroomies.
    Its possible that some Mexican genes were brought to Jamaica which also can have bld genes like Oaxacan.

    This is what Robert Connell Clarke wrote in his book Marijuana Botany

    Michoacan strains tend to have very slender leaves and a very high calyx-to-leaf ratio as do Guerreran strains, but Oaxacan strains tend to be broader-leafed, often with leafier floral clusters. Oaxacan strains are generally the largest and grow vigorously, while Michoacan strains are smaller and more delicate. Guerreran strains are often short and develop long.
    Indentured Indians were brought to Jamaica which could have brought bld genes with them.
    According to Chris Duvall in his book Cannabis, he writes that indentured Siera Leonians introduced Cannabis in Jamaica in 1862 and this info was from British archives, but the British empire were also great importer of Indian ganja at that time.The US pharmaceutical companies bought at the end of 19th century around that big quantities for the pharmacies.

    Bob Marley said something about Lambsbread in a High Times interview

    High Times: What's lamb's bread?

    Bob Marley: De ability what de herb 'ave ya call lamb's bread. Some a dem ya call Bethlehem's bread. Dat is when ya really get good herb, y'know what I mean?
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    In volcanic soil we trust

    Whether your checkin out bud porn or regular porn from 1975, you wont catch anyone trimming thier bush
    BTW that pluton sucked. We grew it outside-looked awesome, smelled great, everything but when dried, it had 0% high.
    I see it as a kind of wonder drug of our time - Dr.Lester Grinspoon
    In 1895, ‘Arabs . . . Armenians
    [and] Turks’ grew Cannabis indica in central California to supply hash
    to compatriots in San Francisco, and to smoke ‘kiff’ themselves.
    Additionally, the u.s. army planted
    marijuana in Panama in the 1920s for testing its effects on soldiers
    The Dutch paid the Khoisan in 1713 with drugs rather than
    food, goods or cash.
    For the purposes of this research, Roger Adams had obtained red oil extract of the plant legally from the United States Department of the Treasury

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      The Marley quote definitely suggests it was just the generic term for good herb, and not an actual strain.

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        Update and interesting smoke reports

        I had an interesting experience a couple weeks back while vaping. The only plant I have at this point that has any type of cure is the little 3 week plant. It has always been a very nice smoke. One night I sat down and took a couple hits and it came on as usual but about 10 minutes in it really hit. It started with body pulses starting at my belly button and racing to my head. That was followed by a big wave of euphoria once again starting in my belly and going up and hitting my brain. Then an electrical current started on my left temple. It felt like it was tickling my brain. What a blast from the past! I havent had anything like that since Jamaica a very long time ago. So the Jamaican fire is still alive in this strain! Now to work on finding more of it.

        As far as the grow, some of the Blue Mountain phenos have been getting cloudy and small amounts of amber so I have cut them. I have also taken some of the wilder Lambsbread leaning phenos as well at 16 weeks. They were still all clear. After the brain tickle experience I have decided that clear must be where what I am looking for is at. Someone else mentioned clear trich's regarding this strain. One of the 11 week plants left me dragging a bit the next morning like a hybrid so I think going cloudy brings out some of the BLD influence that is in this line. The 11 week plant has very strong power to it but it is not as mentally stimulating as I had hoped but a good long cure may change all of that so stay tuned for updates.
        Last edited by Rembetis; 01-15-2021, 21:30.

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          I was going to wind down this documentation of the Double Jam grow but it looks like it will be going on for awhile. I have 3 long flowering Lambsbread phenos still going. There have been at least 50 volunteers pop up in their mothers pots so I have decided to sort thru the seedlings and see if my selections were any good. I have several that show good Lambsbread traits so I am going to go ahead and grow them out. This little girl has already been flowering since early this week


          The next run has already sprouted. Ace's Ethiopian Highland at 11 days. 10 out of a 10 pack


          I also have some Mozambique Land race seeds in the dirt. I did an open pollination last round and want to have a look at them again. The line needs a bit of work but might be worth it in the long run.

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            At 19 weeks I still have 3 Double Jams going although they are showing signs of finishing up. The Blue Mountain types make some crazy large buds. Here is one of them that is still going



            The Blue Mountain phenos are strong in this line. I didnt get many Lambsbread types in the seeds I made so I dont know if I will mess with this line again. We'll see how the cure goes. I am still holding out hope that one of the long flower plants will have the effect I am looking for. The Blue Mountain types have a heavy effect for me and not really what I am looking for right now. I would still like to find the old Lambsbread and give it a try.

            My Ethiopian Highlands have started flower and I also have a Landrace from Mozambique along with some Ace Lebanese from some really tasty Lemon and Sweet Candy Hash phenos I had last time. Those two phenos were super fast and finished in 50 days so I am really interested to see if the mothers passed on those traits.

            I will start new threads on those when they get farther along if anyone wants to tag along
            Last edited by Rembetis; 01-26-2021, 14:01.

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              yes please, sounds very interesting!

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                Kryptonite
                "American growers are looking for the same thing: strong, overpowering, two-toke indica with huge yields. My number one seller is Northern Lights.”— (RIP) Nevil Schoenmakers

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                  Tagging along

                  Originally posted by Rembetis View Post
                  At 19 weeks I still have 3 Double Jams going although they are showing signs of finishing up. The Blue Mountain types make some crazy large buds. Here is one of them that is still going

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                  The Blue Mountain phenos are strong in this line. I didnt get many Lambsbread types in the seeds I made so I dont know if I will mess with this line again. We'll see how the cure goes. I am still holding out hope that one of the long flower plants will have the effect I am looking for. The Blue Mountain types have a heavy effect for me and not really what I am looking for right now. I would still like to find the old Lambsbread and give it a try.

                  My Ethiopian Highlands have started flower and I also have a Landrace from Mozambique along with some Ace Lebanese from some really tasty Lemon and Sweet Candy Hash phenos I had last time. Those two phenos were super fast and finished in 50 days so I am really interested to see if the mothers passed on those traits.

                  I will start new threads on those when they get farther along if anyone wants to tag along
                  Rem- I'm tagging along. Great read. thanks.

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                    Still going with two at 20 weeks. One is a Blue Mountain type that just keeps getting bigger buds.


                    The other is the a wild long flower type that looks like it will go for awhile longer


                    Also smoke tested another of the 17 week buds. Dried only, no cure to speak of. This strain has a lot of power to her. Very long lasting. It is also heavy which I think speaks to its power. It is most definitely Sativa but I cant say that it is a clear type high at all. It is so relaxing that I want to doze off. I do get sweet dreams and when I close my eyes while listening to music I get all kinds of dancing images in my head. I also get some of the off balance drunken stumbling with this smoke.

                    Still looking for more of an up, energetic or electric high. I have only experienced the brain tickle once so far with this strain

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                      The next run is underway while we wait for the Jamaicans to finish


                      Fat leaves are Ace Lebanese on the left, Ethiopian Highland is already flowering on the right and several dozen Malberry Mozambique Land Race in the foreground to sort thru. Also planted a few Cherry Malawi to have a look at that line.

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                        You should grow chellakuti by khalifa genetics Rembetis it's a energy sativa

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                          Rolandomota, I may have to try that one if I can find time. Like many people here I have too many lines in my freezer that need to be looked at.

                          The Mozambique I am growing is one that gives the heart racing effect and clear but it needs selection. I thought I would plant a few this time to have another look at them and think about what selections to make next time.

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                            Dwarf Jamaican

                            So here is an odd little pheno that I didnt talk about before. I had 4 of them in the beginning. I had turned the lights down to a shorter cycle in order to stop the stretch so I had assumed that was the reason for them not getting bigger.

                            I had several recently in the batch of volunteers in the bottom of the Double Jam pots. The others were male so I pulled them. I thought she was a regular seedling but over time she has remained small like the ones before. They are easy to spot early on because they have a strong Jamaican look the them. They top out at 2 to 3 feet and they are more columnar in growth. The leaves stay small and they finished at 11 to 14 weeks.

                            This plant has me thinking about future possibilities. It would be perfect for sea of green and it is a great alternative to a tent full of monsters, Coincidentally, the plant that gave me the brain tickle was the dwarf I cut down early to make room in the tent. If this little girl has the same power then I can see a big pheno hunt in the near future

                            Last edited by Rembetis; 02-06-2021, 20:31.

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                              Small leaf plants in Jamaica

                              Funny how timing works out sometimes. This photo just appeared in an article in The Daily Mail concerning Ganja problems in Jamaica. Gypsy has posted the story in the news section.

                              Look closely at the plants in front of the man. Notice the size of the leaves in relation to the height of the plants. They are most definitely the small leaf type and they show the typical old style Jamaican leaf which as I mentioned previously was known to have 5 blades.

                              As you can see on the right side there are plants that have what I am sure most of us would agree are more typical sized leaves. The small leaved plants also dont show much in the way of large side branches.

                              This new photo gives me hope that I have made some sort of progress in trying to separate out more of the old Jamaican line



                              My friends arent too far from where this was taken so I am going to reach out and see if they can come up with anything. I will post if they do
                              Last edited by Rembetis; 02-06-2021, 20:32.

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