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    Originally posted by bigherb View Post
    Respect to all the Haze lovers and growers

    I mentioned some time ago . I think Todd should only be given positive vibes , the Original Haze stock he sells should be judged honestly and set apart from him personally.

    But how and what negative could you say about the fella . From I what I see he has contributed much to the community and should be respected for his achievements and long fight for our community

    As to any doubt on the authenticity of his Haze , I’m sure Sams would have spoke up if there was mis truth. Sams has spoken when necessary to correct the Haze Histories

    From recent grows , she has shown some lookers and I’m curious what will be found in the future

    Btw I don’t see any established in 84 , i do see mention of first growing in 84 . It doesn’t seem odd . I was a young teen when I touched my first green lady

    1luvbigherb
    thats pretty much how i seen it ,,i dont know todd from adam id never heard of him but the fact sam verified his stock is what prompted me to try them,,had a few people drop negatives in my ear about todd but like i say i dont know him ,,his haze seems legit to me reminded me very much of some of the early hazes i tried late 80s early 90s friends who were with me then also said the same,,all the nev vs sam bollox has no value at all in helping to find /preserve any haze but if nothing else its taught me haze is very popular with schoolgirls

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      I just started a few of Todds OH. As soon as more room opens up ill start some of these Mango x Mango.

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        Anyone get any males out of Todd's yet?
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          Originally posted by LostTribe View Post
          Anyone get any males out of Todd's yet?
          I had one really early looking male but couldnt get any pollen out of it

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            Hi Elanius,
            With all due respect, I challenge you to find this quote.
            Sometimes our memories replace what people actually said with an amalgam of other information/opinion. It happens to all of us.

            Sam is naturally reluctant to give details on any of the work he provided to seedsman, as they rebrand what he sold them as their own, and he really has no idea what they do with his seeds after they leave his hands.
            Quite simply, it doesn't sound like something he would say.

            One thing Sam did say is that he had a particular breeding plant that he liked to use that was fasciated. This came up when Johnny found his own flat stem pheno in the large selection run. Sam was very surprised to see that pheno pop up, not sure but I think it was the first time he had seen it "in the wild".
            Some might assume from that revelation that Sam used THAT specific pheno in a 1:1 mating for the batch of seed he sold to seedsman.
            The numbers however don't support that conclusion as 1 or 2 out of 100 seeds run are not the kind of results you would expect to see from a 1 to 1 mating with a fasciated parent.

            Originally posted by elanius View Post
            I remember Sam saying that original Seedsman Haze was 1:1 Haze selection done by Sam himself and sold to Seedsman. The open pollination aka saving ohaze genes happened before Seedsman release. Sam then selected parents to make seeds for Seedsman and Seedsman sold them out for cheap because there was very little interest, or better to say, they sold very slowly.

            I also think from experience that pure NLD usually doesnt smell too strong, in the meaning you will put the bud on the table and you will smell it in the whole room as with diesel,chems,ogs. But when you squeeze the bud a little, it has intense sharp and strong penetrating smell that has very rich complexity. (not all phenos though..)
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              Originally posted by elanius View Post
              I remember Sam saying that original Seedsman Haze was 1:1 Haze selection done by Sam himself and sold to Seedsman. The open pollination aka saving ohaze genes happened before Seedsman release. Sam then selected parents to make seeds for Seedsman and Seedsman sold them out for cheap because there was very little interest, or better to say, they sold very slowly.

              I also think from experience that pure NLD usually doesnt smell too strong, in the meaning you will put the bud on the table and you will smell it in the whole room as with diesel,chems,ogs. But when you squeeze the bud a little, it has intense sharp and strong penetrating smell that has very rich complexity. (not all phenos though..)
              Originally posted by Raho View Post
              Hi Elanius,
              With all due respect, I challenge you to find this quote.
              Sometimes our memories replace what people actually said with an amalgam of other information/opinion. It happens to all of us.

              Sam is naturally reluctant to give details on any of the work he provided to seedsman, as they rebrand what he sold them as their own, and he really has no idea what they do with his seeds after they leave his hands.
              Quite simply, it doesn't sound like something he would say.

              One thing Sam did say is that he had a particular breeding plant that he liked to use that was fasciated. This came up when Johnny found his own flat stem pheno in the large selection run. Sam was very surprised to see that pheno pop up, not sure but I think it was the first time he had seen it "in the wild".
              Some might assume from that revelation that Sam used THAT specific pheno in a 1:1 mating for the batch of seed he sold to seedsman.
              The numbers however don't support that conclusion as 1 or 2 out of 100 seeds run are not the kind of results you would expect to see from a 1 to 1 mating with a fasciated parent.
              i dunno why i added your quote raho , haha ,
              but maybe due to the first sentence with regards to folks saying indica plants smell more than sativas ,
              memory is playing tricks ,
              to be fair the strongest smelling is the combination of sativa and indica , aka hybrids ,
              not pure indicas or sativas ,
              both have samples that smell strongly , its not exclusive to indica or sativa ,

              if you havent found this , you simply need to grow more weed to find it ..

              the combination of sativa and indica certainly has given us some lovely aromas , some delicious looking buds , and some large yields ,

              things that either varieties would not do on their own so readily ,
              this is why we hybridize in the first place ...



              there are certainly plain smelling indica plants , and sativa plants , with selection we can find great smells in both , and combining them can sometimes increase the aromas even more than in their pure forms ...

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                Originally posted by Raho View Post
                Hi Elanius,
                With all due respect, I challenge you to find this quote.
                Sometimes our memories replace what people actually said with an amalgam of other information/opinion. It happens to all of us.

                Sam is naturally reluctant to give details on any of the work he provided to seedsman, as they rebrand what he sold them as their own, and he really has no idea what they do with his seeds after they leave his hands.
                Quite simply, it doesn't sound like something he would say.

                One thing Sam did say is that he had a particular breeding plant that he liked to use that was fasciated. This came up when Johnny found his own flat stem pheno in the large selection run. Sam was very surprised to see that pheno pop up, not sure but I think it was the first time he had seen it "in the wild".
                Some might assume from that revelation that Sam used THAT specific pheno in a 1:1 mating for the batch of seed he sold to seedsman.
                The numbers however don't support that conclusion as 1 or 2 out of 100 seeds run are not the kind of results you would expect to see from a 1 to 1 mating with a fasciated parent.
                I do remember an 1:1 too somewhere.
                But I think it was a response to a question on the missing colorful phenos in OH.
                And you are right there on the numbers I guess.
                The doubt he has or had, is if Seedsman had done a new batch of OH seeds from his seeds. But I do believe that then it would have looked differently. TFD's or Todd's are good exemples.

                And when you rate Todd's work. Only don't forget he got exact the same seeds from the 70s, Nevil did get from Sam

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                  Hi Good Morning Johnny ! all the way from the East Coast USA they root easily in rapid rooters & going to flower out the female clones >>>

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                    Originally posted by JohnnyChicago View Post
                    I do remember an 1:1 too somewhere.
                    But I think it was a response to a question on the missing colorful phenos in OH.
                    And you are right there on the numbers I guess.
                    The doubt he has or had, is if Seedsman had done a new batch of OH seeds from his seeds. But I do believe that then it would have looked differently. TFD's or Todd's are good exemples.

                    And when you rate Todd's work. Only don't forget he got exact the same seeds from the 70s, Nevil did get from Sam
                    I thought he said nevil only got clones....bit like a whole generation that think they have 5ac x ohz when they dont....oh well...important thing is alot of people get to try the ohz that haven't...its not been readily available for quite some time

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                      Originally posted by Bnyest View Post
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                      I had one really early looking male but couldnt get any pollen out of it
                      Intresting plant...did you get any similar looking females from your batch

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                        Originally posted by Raho View Post
                        Hi Elanius,
                        With all due respect, I challenge you to find this quote.
                        Sometimes our memories replace what people actually said with an amalgam of other information/opinion. It happens to all of us.

                        Sam is naturally reluctant to give details on any of the work he provided to seedsman, as they rebrand what he sold them as their own, and he really has no idea what they do with his seeds after they leave his hands.
                        Quite simply, it doesn't sound like something he would say.

                        One thing Sam did say is that he had a particular breeding plant that he liked to use that was fasciated. This came up when Johnny found his own flat stem pheno in the large selection run. Sam was very surprised to see that pheno pop up, not sure but I think it was the first time he had seen it "in the wild".
                        Some might assume from that revelation that Sam used THAT specific pheno in a 1:1 mating for the batch of seed he sold to seedsman.
                        The numbers however don't support that conclusion as 1 or 2 out of 100 seeds run are not the kind of results you would expect to see from a 1 to 1 mating with a fasciated parent.
                        Hey Raho,

                        I understand you reasoning, but I think there are two things to consider. First, I dont think the fasciated plants are that rare to see. I had one fasciated plant from Johnny's seeds made from female that was not fasciated. Same with star crash who got 1 fasciated plant from just a few seeds and again those seeds didnt come from fasciated plant. MMac said he got fasciated female from 7 original seedsman seeds. And limeygreen found fasciated plant in his seedrun as well.

                        Second, fasciation may not show itself as we expect, I dont know how this genetic trait present itself in next generation, but it might be somehow recessive, for example, Johnny grew direct progeny from his fasciated female and found no fasciated plants at all.

                        Anyway, what I wrote is what I remember, but I will have to pass on that challenge as I dont see myself painfully re-reading threads looking for a needle in a haystack. I also agree with you, that memory can play tricks on us and in the end, you dont have to take my message for granted. But I can promise you, when I somehow stumble upon that information, I will post it here.
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                          Originally posted by Raho View Post
                          Hi Elanius,
                          With all due respect, I challenge you to find this quote.
                          Sometimes our memories replace what people actually said with an amalgam of other information/opinion. It happens to all of us.

                          Sam is naturally reluctant to give details on any of the work he provided to seedsman, as they rebrand what he sold them as their own, and he really has no idea what they do with his seeds after they leave his hands.
                          Quite simply, it doesn't sound like something he would say.

                          One thing Sam did say is that he had a particular breeding plant that he liked to use that was fasciated. This came up when Johnny found his own flat stem pheno in the large selection run. Sam was very surprised to see that pheno pop up, not sure but I think it was the first time he had seen it "in the wild".
                          Some might assume from that revelation that Sam used THAT specific pheno in a 1:1 mating for the batch of seed he sold to seedsman.
                          The numbers however don't support that conclusion as 1 or 2 out of 100 seeds run are not the kind of results you would expect to see from a 1 to 1 mating with a fasciated parent.
                          Hey Raho,

                          Any link or which number post where syd showed that particular phenotype?
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                            Originally posted by elanius View Post
                            Hey Raho,

                            I understand you reasoning, but I think there are two things to consider. First, I dont think the fasciated plants are that rare to see. I had one fasciated plant from Johnny's seeds made from female that was not fasciated. Same with star crash who got 1 fasciated plant from just a few seeds and again those seeds didnt come from fasciated plant. MMac said he got fasciated female from 7 original seedsman seeds. And limeygreen found fasciated plant in his seedrun as well.

                            Second, fasciation may not show itself as we expect, I dont know how this genetic trait present itself in next generation, but it might be somehow recessive, for example, Johnny grew direct progeny from his fasciated female and found no fasciated plants at all.
                            Hi Elanius,

                            I do know that Sams mother often had fasciation in her direct progeny. If it was 1:1 we would have seen more often fasciated plants in TFD and Seedsman. But the only ones I know of, did all come from my seed stash. And I have made the same observations you have done. Was surprised too. But it's the best lines ...

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                              Taking her down in the weekend,very low temps are coming...

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                                Had one Hell of a time last night! The best is yet to come! Buy the ticket take the ride!

                                Thank you Sam the Skunkman
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