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    How to make a good hybrid with an african sativa strain?

    How would you make a nice hybrid with an african sativa strain.
    Let's say you take a landrace indica and plan on making a cross with an african sativa.
    Would you use the african sativa for a male or for a female (if you wanted to make a great sativa/indica hybrid)

    Also my most important question is:
    Most african strains have bitter and undersirable terps that don't taste very good. How would you make cross that wouldn't have those undesirable/bitter terps?

    #2
    A hybrid needn't be sativa x indica - it can also be sativa x sativa. You can try using your sativa as either mother or father and compare the results.

    How do you ensure your hybrid doesn't have undesirable traits? You can't I'm afraid - you just have to try it and see.

    A commercial example of what you are talking about would be Malawi X Pakistani Citral Kush by ACE.

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      #3
      Thanks, my question was kind of more geared towards someone who has already done it.
      Just kind of want to know if there is a specific way to make a hybrid (f1) that won't have the bitter terps/taste from an african sativa.

      Yeah I know you can cross two sativas too to make a hybrid thanks, think most people who make hybrids with african sativas would use an indica so they can bring down the long flowering time.

      Thanks for your reponse.

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        #4
        DJ Short recommends using the Indica as the father.

        As far as taste and terps go, you just have to grow them out and see. No way to ensure an outcome.

        Maybe use the PCK from Ace seeds as it is stable, a proven breeder, and dominate in taste and terps that hit the fruits range.

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          #5
          Choose plants from a line or lines that have desirable flavors to begin with. Either parent can be Indica or Sativa.

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            #6
            Originally posted by africaseeds View Post
            Thanks, my question was kind of more geared towards someone who has already done it.
            I have.

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              #7
              Originally posted by FletchF.Fletch View Post
              Choose plants from a line or lines that have desirable flavors to begin with. Either parent can be Indica or Sativa.
              Thanks that makes a great deal of sense.
              I guess it will take a big selection to get that.

              Thanks for the point about using an indica male too...also read about that when reading over DJ Short's posts long ago.

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                #8
                Originally posted by africaseeds View Post
                Thanks, my question was kind of more geared towards someone who has already done it.
                Just kind of want to know if there is a specific way to make a hybrid (f1) that won't have the bitter terps/taste from an african sativa.

                Yeah I know you can cross two sativas too to make a hybrid thanks, think most people who make hybrids with african sativas would use an indica so they can bring down the long flowering time.

                Thanks for your reponse.

                Usually when breeding land-race with regular commercial cultivars the F1 hybrid will not have all the desirable traits you want, its even more difficult breeding two different land-races together because the cross may produce unknown genetic deficiencies in the progeny.



                Around F2-F3+ you will start finding phenos that you like as long as you've selected favorable parents from the F1 generation.


                I've been working with alot of pakistani specimens lately and they're very fickle to breed.


                If you notice your hybrid has a specific genetic deficiency like hybrid necrosis you can remedy it by simply out breeding to a more hardy varietal than backcrossing those offsprings with the original parent, this way you transfer hybrid vigor and hardiness that (hopefully) knocks the hybrid necrosis out of the gene pool.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The HashMan View Post
                  Around F2-F3+ you will start finding phenos that you like as long as you've selected favorable parents from the F1 generation.
                  I think he just wants to make an F1

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by africaseeds View Post
                    Thanks that makes a great deal of sense.
                    I guess it will take a big selection to get that.

                    Thanks for the point about using an indica male too...also read about that when reading over DJ Short's posts long ago.
                    Yup! I follow a US grower and it is not uncommon to have to grow through 2/3 runs (sometimes more) to get at where he was going. Terps being only part of the equation.

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                      #11
                      Pair plants. Plant resulting seeds. Test resulting bud. Rinse and repeat.



                      Rinse and repeat incorporating what you learned.

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                        #12
                        Use the Sativa for a Mother.

                        You'll get more and bigger seeds.
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                          #13
                          I think when u use indica as mother u shorten the flower time compared to sativa mother hit with indica.

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                            #14
                            Why would anyone take a wonderful african sativa and want to fuck it up by hybridizing?

                            I don't get it.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by grayeyes View Post
                              Why would anyone take a wonderful african sativa and want to fuck it up by hybridizing?

                              I don't get it.
                              I got this one from africaseeds through the grapvine.

                              I'm sure its a kick ass plant for growing outdoors in South Africa, but here it flowers late in the season and it picks up fungus once the weather gets cool and damp. I've grown out four females so far and they've all gone the same way, flowers nicely for about 8 weeks and then fungus goes crazy on it and messes it up, so I hybridized it with a polyhybrid autoflower in hopes of eventually getting to flower the stuff at a less cool and damp time of year when I can get it to go longer than 8 weeks.

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