Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

So what are the latest fandangled strains getting around?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • clearheaded
    replied
    missed the point. point is autos make cuts worse not better. while u can get close breeding autos u are not going to get something better then with photos, close, sure. but not better as by its nature brings it down. ie less auto genetics the better the plant is. trust me ive grown lots of frosty auto males. also remember cuts are selected from 100s or thousands of awesome quality plants, very small chance a breeder could make seeds that consistent to be better then a cut. close maybe, but higher odds of a non auto thats uber stable tossing out thousands of winners.. good sure, the best..never..

    Leave a comment:


  • Hammerhead
    replied
    Making plants unable to be pollinated would be a nightmare. I'd guess 99% of the cannabis community would be against such things. I'm sure some that only care about $$$ are fine making our plant GMO cannabis.

    Leave a comment:


  • socioecologist
    replied
    It's alright PDX, some people still don't get how awesome autos can be. Their loss!

    In my totally biased opinion, the next big thing will be both new flavors and breeding advancements wrapped into one. Triploid cannabis is going to change how farmers produce commercial / personal crops. By combining two genomes from one parent and one genome from the other, unique flavor and cannabinoid profiles can be created, while making the resulting plants impervious to pollination. They outshine their traditional diploid counterparts through higher overall metabolism and essential oil production as well. By combining a highly inbred tetraploid parent with a distinct, highly inbred diploid parent, plant breeders can make uniform F1 varieties that perform true to type with exceptional vigor and resist all attempts at pollination. What kind of crossing combinations would people want to see?

    Tetraploid Diploid
    Triangle Kush inbred Purple Urkle inbred
    Durban Poison inbred Chem D inbred
    Chem D inbred Urkle-derived auto flower
    Purple Urkle inbred Sour CBD auto flower
    etc. etc.

    Just fill in the blank with your favorites and desired photoperiod sensitivity.

    Leave a comment:


  • Hempsmoke
    replied
    Originally posted by PDX Dopesmoker View Post

    What you've just mentioned about autos is 10 year old conventional wisdom. There are a lot more generations of breeding in autos since then, the remnant genetics from Mexican Rudy or whomever might not be much more than that single pair autoflowering genes by now, if it isn't then it will be eventually. Now compare all those generations of breeding and selection that has gone into creating modern autos to all of the breeding and selection thats been done by people making crosses of "Dude! I got this really strong weed at a Dead show and it had some seeds in it OMG!!!".
    40 or so generations of selection by keen eye'd auto breeders might outrank chucking pollen on a 30 year old bagseed clone. If you think I must be high as fuck to come up with this logic, then you're right, I am high as fuck, I'm smoking autoflower bud.

    26% THC in an autoflower, tested over a year ago. Autos are even stronger by now, GG4, Chem, Cookies, GMO & all the other high testing clones are all still the same as they were the day the seed was popped, decades ago for many clones.
    https://dutch-passion.com/en/blog/au...-on-earth-n963
    Word

    I had 4 auto AKs around 2012 and it was some potent smoke for sure, even had some people tell me it was the strongest weed they smoked back then.
    Personally I prefer photoperiod plants so I can keep clones, but in all those years since then the auto breeders made some great progression, but some fools still think autos didn't make any progress since the lowryder days...

    Leave a comment:


  • Hammerhead
    replied
    ruderalisI'm not a fan of Autos. Ruduralis is ditch weed, it's just hemp. Anything good from Autos didn't come from Rudurallis. If I had to guess long ago someone brought home some thinking it was drug type that was loaded with seeds. Grew some seeds which hermed and pollinated other drug type cannabis. They noticed those plants flowered when in veg. I'm sure some like not having any photoperiod.. I'll never use Auto's to breed with.

    IMO look for Haze hybrids.

    Leave a comment:


  • PDX Dopesmoker
    replied
    Originally posted by clearheaded View Post
    pdx ya thats a neat expirement for marketers, but many cuts are sifted EXTENSIVELY ie cuts would not be worth anything as even before the strain game there was cuts.. for an auto it would have to be an effects type thing as no auto is putting out terps or thc or smoothness like unauto.. ie autos are based off getting as much non auto as possible of a desired variety. and extensive inbreeding of autos would be tuff not get ruderalis popping out and be much better then a non auto.. ie the qualitys u want dont come from ruderalis other then auto feature. dem hempy terps dou lol
    What you've just mentioned about autos is 10 year old conventional wisdom. There are a lot more generations of breeding in autos since then, the remnant genetics from Mexican Rudy or whomever might not be much more than that single pair autoflowering genes by now, if it isn't then it will be eventually. Now compare all those generations of breeding and selection that has gone into creating modern autos to all of the breeding and selection thats been done by people making crosses of "Dude! I got this really strong weed at a Dead show and it had some seeds in it OMG!!!".
    40 or so generations of selection by keen eye'd auto breeders might outrank chucking pollen on a 30 year old bagseed clone. If you think I must be high as fuck to come up with this logic, then you're right, I am high as fuck, I'm smoking autoflower bud.

    26% THC in an autoflower, tested over a year ago. Autos are even stronger by now, GG4, Chem, Cookies, GMO & all the other high testing clones are all still the same as they were the day the seed was popped, decades ago for many clones.
    https://dutch-passion.com/en/blog/au...-on-earth-n963

    Leave a comment:


  • Hempsmoke
    replied
    Originally posted by GuyMontag View Post

    Tolerance actually evens the playing field as far being able to tell what's strong and what isn't. With no tolerance you're gonna get thwacked regardless, but a seasoned smoker with a tolerance built up is not only going to be able to say pound for pound what hit harder, but also be in a position to differentiate the subtleties in effect (or lack there of). You're completely off base here bud. If cannabis had a tolerance that ramped like other drugs, sure, but it's not really the same.

    ​​​​​​
    I disagree on this one. A high tolerance actually makes you only able to differentiate between strong and weak strains and diminishes the ability to feel the subtle (or not so subtle) differences between strains.

    Let's take the killing fields, that i mentioned before, and one of my favourite strains, the power plant as examples.

    Smoking daily and a high tolerance makes both average daytime smokes for me, but after a 2 or 3 weeks break you clearly feel the differences between both strains.

    While the killing fields will make you miss half the movie you watch on TV because you're lost in your thoughts, the power plant will make you all jittery with your heart racing but a totally clear head.

    ​​The differences in the effects and high get lost with a high Tolerance and both feel pretty similar. Neither will you experience the brain afk effect of the KF nor will you experience the heart pounding locomotive of the pp, you simply get high on some bud.

    Leave a comment:


  • Lester Beans
    replied
    Flavors popularity as time went on, where I'm from..

    80's dank dank erb. Some sweeter strains and those were popular.

    90's sweet strains, some fuely strains, and a few fruity strains

    Early 2000's fuel, fruit, sweet
    2010 candy sweet, fruit, fuel or Lemon Pledge

    2015 to present seems to be candy fruit, baked goods, lemon cleaner and fuel

    Leave a comment:


  • clearheaded
    replied
    pdx ya thats a neat expirement for marketers, but many cuts are sifted EXTENSIVELY ie cuts would not be worth anything as even before the strain game there was cuts.. for an auto it would have to be an effects type thing as no auto is putting out terps or thc or smoothness like unauto.. ie autos are based off getting as much non auto as possible of a desired variety. and extensive inbreeding of autos would be tuff not get ruderalis popping out and be much better then a non auto.. ie the qualitys u want dont come from ruderalis other then auto feature. dem hempy terps dou lol

    Leave a comment:


  • GuyMontag
    replied
    Originally posted by Hempsmoke View Post

    On tolerance and nostalgia
    Nostalgia can't really be quantified, and may have some role, but you're absolutely wrong on tolerance.

    You're assuming that they had no tolerance then. Tolerance actually evens the playing field as far being able to tell what's strong and what isn't. With no tolerance you're gonna get thwacked regardless, but a seasoned smoker with a tolerance built up is not only going to be able to say pound for pound what hit harder, but also be in a position to differentiate the subtleties in effect (or lack there of). You're completely off base here bud. If cannabis had a tolerance that ramped like other drugs, sure, but it's not really the same.

    ​​​​​​

    Leave a comment:


  • GuyMontag
    replied
    To answer the original question, Runtz derivatives seem to be the current biggest hype train, with cookie offshoots still coming right behind IMO. Seeing the shift to Cookies take off and only get worse was a bummer. I've never understood the love for it.

    That said, there are still plenty of folks doing more than chucking hype cuts, it just takes half a second to look a little deeper. The Chem fam breeders are still pumping out Chem work, Bodhi will always be doing what he what does (which includes a touch of the new for people who want that), Meangene, CSI (who also adds a touch of hype but it isn't his main focus), AKBB, Coastal, Crickets and Cicadas, etc, and then people like Snowhigh have more company than ever in trying to get landrace/heirloom work out there with Indian Landrace, Afghani Selections, etc.

    Yeah, the majority of people calling themselves breeders are chasing the bag and rushing to be first to market with their hype cross, but let's not toss the baby with the bath water. I only listed a small selection of people who aren't chasing that model.


    I for one am glad to see that it looks like a return to sativas for a lot of folks. I personally love Durban, and am just having trouble deciding whose Durban cross to run this year. CBH/Miami Haze seems to be a recent darling as well, and I hope we see a fuck ton more. Obviously replicable skunk work would burn the house down, but at this point, everyone who isn't a grower custy chasing trends and willing to believe any absurd story is so skeptical of every new Tom, Dick, Harry who claims that their granpappy bred the original and they found 4 seeds (one half cracked) in his WWII chest, that it's going to take a cup win or podcast cosign for most to really belive it.


    We're in an era where custys can walk into a store and pick from 50+ jars on a wall, and walk down the street if they feel like something else. Unfortunately, that means their opinion matters in a way that it never has before, so I can't really blame people with a brand in an established rec market trying to appease that base.

    Leave a comment:


  • PDX Dopesmoker
    replied
    Someone should hype an auto strain as the latest, greatest super strong weed that everyone has to smoke to prevent the risk of being seen as uncool.
    Autos can't be kept in clone and the individual plants never get too big so theres way more seeds to be sold if an auto is the hype strain vs having regular flowing strains be the high demand flower than everyone is looking for. If growers have to spend more on seeds then that will also push up the per pound price of bud, which is what everyone around here seems to want.

    Leave a comment:


  • Hammerhead
    replied
    Originally posted by Happy Times View Post
    What are the Cookie-related breeding issues you’ve seen?

    I’ll guess at hermie tendencies, and maybe low yield?

    Pretty much just unstable genetics from it. I dont mind the low yields. All I'm after is unique quality plants.. As we all know we can find nice plants in out crosses but we keep passing on those bad traits every time its used. Some crosses dont do well at all. I dont see any need to continue using those genetics. Find something else to use or take an out cross and breed out the cookies like Ive done With A5hbx x Fp. This was made using Snowman x Bio Diesel. Snowman was made by Burner. I cant locate its genetic makeup. All I can find is she is a Descendant of GSC. After selections made I breed out the Snowman to the Diesel side with a Hazy skunky aroma.


    Haze hybrids should be the next thing. It tales a lot longer to work these lines. Most will not put much effort into these.
    Last edited by Hammerhead; 02-28-2021, 20:12.

    Leave a comment:


  • Gaussamer
    replied
    True the forum cut wasn't lacking in potency but also just wasn't exciting to me personally. It's definitely the best cookies cut in my opinion, but I think the outcrosses are pretty much all better still. I'll add that Cookies is knock out gorgeous during late flowering in CA, really beautiful plants.

    I don't hate cookies at all, don't mean to come off that way I just hate the hype. I have cookies crosses on deck from Mosca, Oni, and Exotic right now, some of them heavily Cookies. I'd really like to find a specimen that checks all my personal boxes, or even just a few unique ones that matter to me, but I haven't yet.

    Back OT though, I think the next big thing will be Colombian and other alike old world crosses. Lots of them are super mellow and long lasting, though flavors and marketing pale in comparison right now to current celebrity strains.

    Leave a comment:


  • Happy Times
    replied
    Originally posted by Hammerhead View Post
    I made plenty of mistakes over the years. A big one was using cookies. Ive learned from those mistakes. Looks like your confused as to what cookies I'm referring to. Ive Grown most hyped cookie cuts. Out crosses are not what I'm referring to. I hate cookies personally its tasteless nonsense. If others like cookies which some prob do that's fine. We all like different stuff.

    I will never use cookies again. Been there done that with nothing but issues. It has to be my out crossed selections which you posted above. Your talking about a lifetime of work Ive posted here on ICMAG. I took the time to make proper selections and tested it all well. The only problems I've run into are cookies related. Do my out crosses have cookies yes, id never find breeding materiel If I didn't use an out cross.. It would be near impossible to find something that doesn't have cookies in it. Straight cookies will cause issues guaranteed. The only way to be sure it to use Sativa/Hazes we know are free of cookies.. That's the path I'm on now..

    Everything you mentioned of mine is out crossed. Out crossed cookies are the only ones good but still carry those bad traits.. Ive been growing/smoking since the early 70's. My path is to bring back what I think is true quality cannabis we had decades ago. With everyone using cookies and still do it will not be easy finding material to breed with. I think I can using Bx Hazes to a Sour Diesel as a base breeding parent(not a drop of cookies in this). Ive already done this part. I need to do more, more , more.

    What are the Cookie-related breeding issues you’ve seen?

    I’ll guess at hermie tendencies, and maybe low yield?

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X