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    #31
    Originally posted by The HashMan View Post
    Watermelon is unavailable to the public, it was bred near the VT/MA border. The genetics lineage hasn't been released to the public, the only people who have it right now have it from bagseed. We're hoping to get licensed over here in VT before we release it to the public, you can check seeedfinder for more info on our genetics
    Originally posted by TPFTFW View Post
    What do you think made watermelon zkittlez?
    Adonai was bred in 2002 and was given to Kyle kush man and others who spread it around.. it’s pure watermelon terps and is a kush/OG/SSH/sweetooth type hybrid

    and from pictures I’ve seen of the Adonai... yes watermelom kush a pheno or hybrid of Adonai
    Dying Breed lists Watermelon Zum Zum #3 as the parent with OG Eddy in Watermelon Zkittlez. Dying Breed also plays with Adonai in some of their crosses as well.

    Do either of you have any specific details on Dying Breed Watermelon Zum Zum (not Zkittlez)??? Thanks!!!

    WFF

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      #32
      Originally posted by WaterFarmFan View Post
      Dying Breed lists Watermelon Zum Zum #3 as the parent with OG Eddy in Watermelon Zkittlez. Dying Breed also plays with Adonai in some of their crosses as well.

      Do either of you have any specific details on Dying Breed Watermelon Zum Zum (not Zkittlez)??? Thanks!!!

      WFF
      {my info could be off}, but dying breed is ran by a guy named Neil Smith right? I'm not sure what they're growing out in california right now.

      Sometime around 2015-16 I sent Neil Smith seeds to cali, he wanted to buy triploids off me when I was running Dank Mountain seed label out of southern VT, but than later on he claimed that the seed wasn't triploid when he grew them out, which is a lie because I follow billy budds work very closely to create my own polyploids.

      That was the last time I talked to Neil after he tried to black list me on facebook as a scam artist..

      Watermelon originated on the east coast. Back around 2015 via facebook groups, I hooked up a ton of breeders in the cannacommunity with Hybrid Watermelon Kush, OG-39, Strawberry Pluton and Black Market Kush.

      None of the people I hooked up with seed gave me credit for my breeding work tho.


      Luckily, in modern day I can compare the original genetics to the hybrids on the market via PCR and find relative genetic markers.

      I still have all the parent plants to all these crosses, they all originated from VT, I can also back up the epigenetic information on said cultivars if necessary. I was breeding and giving away seed wayyy before east-coast legalization
      Last edited by The HashMan; 02-20-2021, 11:59.
      "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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        #33
        Originally posted by capnCõno View Post
        That’s bullshit those Vermont guys and there fairy tales are a Fukin joke ... it is an old cut that’s been around for decades ... it’s well documented in an old book aswell think it was dank sumthin... this was even more ridiculous the the strawberry Fields/cough bullshit go read the shit on seedfind er .... it was grown in a field with grapes strawberries and blackberries to give it a fruity flavor or diverse profile rotfflmao as soon as ya see some dumb shit like that everything else said after is tossed in the garbage just to be recycled and spewed out a few years later they really need to come up with a better tale to tell by now... I’m sure hella ppl trying to use watermelon as a sales pitch recently but the old clone came from subcools first accidental breeding project up in Canada been around for hella years now can’t remember any more details atm but the lineage is known and out there the cut is still alive and well just extremely hoarded now but wasn’t way back in the day...... think I remember Ortega possibly being part of it????

        Now what’s in watermelon zkittlez and these other new lines is The adoni different plant also has strong melon flavor but not as thick of taste as the subcool cut which like almost all his work is mostly focused on flavor but the adoni is stronger weed and has a strong kush high...
        I know what Your talkin bout That old astroboy!!!! The original watermelon pheno was incredible!!!!!! Super thick watermelon jolly rancher flavor that stuck in your mouth long after the joint went out..but if a racey high that lasted , buds got massive . haven’t seen her in 10+ years ... I remember her well It was Apollo x (Ortega x c99) ... this gonna have me ask around I know a few hoarders who may still have her quietly tucked away...
        I am SoFa KiNg We Todd DiD I sWeAr I am SoFa kiNg We ToD did
        "JUST KEEP LIVIN THE DREAM"

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          #34
          Its odd how soo many people know of watermelon, but no one knows the exact lineage, its all just been speculation.
          Yet when the real breeders speak up all these guys come out of the wood work with stories that have no real evidence of what their talking about.
          This is why a majority of us barely release our genetics to the public, they get scooped up and renamed, shuffled back out to the public for profit.. smh
          "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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            #35
            i'm sorry, but there are way...way tooooo many names.... it gets me confused

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              #36
              Originally posted by zachrockbadenof View Post
              i'm sorry, but there are way...way tooooo many names.... it gets me confused

              We never had a name for the watermelon, people started calling it watermelon or just "melon" because it had the strong distinct watermelon flavor. I grow honey dew melons in my garden next to my cannabis patch across from my blackberry bushes and grape vines, which contributes greatly to my terrior that also influences how my cannabis tastes.


              You want to know why it taste like watermelon? I compost my garden scraps every year and i composted a ton of rotten honeydew melons that i lost that season due to a early frost, i used that compost to growing out a few landraces I was testing outdoors up here in the north, 3 out of 8 phenos smelled exactly like watermelon the other 5 were a melon like diesel, i tried to clone those 8 phenos and only got 2 to actually root, the rest rotted up the maristem due to hybrid necrosis.


              The original "Watermelon" took 14 weeks to flower, this is why I crossed it with another land-race to shorten the photo-period cycle that way i could harvest it outdoors before frosts hit here in the northern hemisphere.
              "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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                #37
                You know it's possible for multiple varieties to be called Watermelon....

                I have a male of Magic Melon that smells /exactly/ like watermelon.

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                  #38
                  Yeah you could say that, but everyone knows what OG kush is. Everyone knows where mother of all berries came from. Everyone on the east coast knows where watermelon comes from ~


                  Magic melon has honeydew in it, which I believe is a phenotype of watermelon, not quite sure i don't follow humbolts breeding work
                  "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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                    #39
                    Watermelon from 2001 was Apollo x c99 Ortega you can even google it now... type in astroboy watermelon pheno lots of info comes up now ... this is original watermelon clone...
                    I am SoFa KiNg We Todd DiD I sWeAr I am SoFa kiNg We ToD did
                    "JUST KEEP LIVIN THE DREAM"

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by stoney917 View Post
                      Watermelon from 2001 was Apollo x c99 Ortega you can even google it now... type in astroboy watermelon pheno lots of info comes up now ... this is original watermelon clone...



                      The East Coast Watermelon Kush is full on watermelon-honeydew flavor, it doesnt taste like citrus or skunk. I still have the S1 in my garden..



                      I couldnt find much info on astroboy.

                      The info I could find that relates Astroboy to a watermelon flavor profile:

                      "When burnt, Astroboy gives off a smooth and easily ingested smoke that tastes like citrus and skunk on the exhale. Certain phenotypes of this bud also carry a light watermelon flavor."
                      "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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                        #41
                        Even found a link where someone compares the two cultivars https://www.comparethestrain.ca/watermelon-vs-astroboy/
                        "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about." - Rumi

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                          #42
                          Pluton, watermelon, these genetics have been floating around the east coast for a decade or better. I am guessing there are a few different cultivars. It certainly isn't a new thing.

                          Where the pics? If you hold it and bred it wouldn't you have several pics? Just sayin

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by The HashMan View Post
                            {my info could be off}, but dying breed is ran by a guy named Neil Smith right? I'm not sure what they're growing out in california right now.

                            Sometime around 2015-16 I sent Neil Smith seeds to cali, he wanted to buy triploids off me when I was running Dank Mountain seed label out of southern VT, but than later on he claimed that the seed wasn't triploid when he grew them out, which is a lie because I follow billy budds work very closely to create my own polyploids.

                            That was the last time I talked to Neil after he tried to black list me on facebook as a scam artist..

                            Watermelon originated on the east coast. Back around 2015 via facebook groups, I hooked up a ton of breeders in the cannacommunity with Hybrid Watermelon Kush, OG-39, Strawberry Pluton and Black Market Kush.

                            None of the people I hooked up with seed gave me credit for my breeding work tho.


                            Luckily, in modern day I can compare the original genetics to the hybrids on the market via PCR and find relative genetic markers.

                            I still have all the parent plants to all these crosses, they all originated from VT, I can also back up the epigenetic information on said cultivars if necessary. I was breeding and giving away seed wayyy before east-coast legalization
                            Thanks for the additional details! Mr. Google says that your story and timeline about Dying Breed and Watermelon Zum Zum could very well be true. I do not want to get into semantics about private dealings, but once seeds or pollen change hands, there is not much you can do.

                            That being said, if I was the originator of something that is sizzling in the marketplace (i.e. Dying Breed charging 300-500 dollars for 10 regular seeds), I would get my ducks in a row including all breeding history, notes on current lines and P stock, and of course... Have a fuck ton of seeds for sale!!!!

                            I have more interest in this than most, but obviously not as much you, as back in 2017, I ordered a pack DB Watermelon Zkittlez for $350. When the order came through, I did not receive Zkittlez but Watermelon Zum Zum instead. Was bummed at first until I realized that it was their breeding stock in very limited release. I ended up making 35 different crosses with Zum Zum as either the mother or father. I would assume that the Zum Zum has been worked with more indica because it finishes in about 9-10 weeks. It is medium build with some thinner leaves, so I always thought that was some sativa pretty deep in family tree.

                            Originally posted by Lester Beans View Post
                            Pluton, watermelon, these genetics have been floating around the east coast for a decade or better. I am guessing there are a few different cultivars. It certainly isn't a new thing.

                            Where the pics? If you hold it and bred it wouldn't you have several pics? Just sayin
                            This times 100!!! If you got the goods, lets see it!!!

                            WFF

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by The HashMan View Post
                              Even found a link where someone compares the two cultivars https://www.comparethestrain.ca/watermelon-vs-astroboy/
                              Originally posted by stoney917 View Post
                              I know what Your talkin bout That old astroboy!!!! The original watermelon pheno was incredible!!!!!! Super thick watermelon jolly rancher flavor that stuck in your mouth long after the joint went out..but if a racey high that lasted , buds got massive . haven’t seen her in 10+ years ... I remember her well It was Apollo x (Ortega x c99) ... this gonna have me ask around I know a few hoarders who may still have her quietly tucked away...
                              Like it has been noted by others, there are undoubtedly different expressions of the cannabis plant that have a watermelon type taste and smell. I will just say that I find it interesting that Jack Herer is VERY dominant in the Astroboy genetics (both Apollo 13 & C99). I have a Jack Herer pheno from Karma Dominator (Kushage x Jack Herer) that I crossed with Watermelon Zum Zum and it showing the most watermelon terps of anything that I have run yet, including the Zum Zum itself. Will be watching how it dries and cures soon.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by The HashMan View Post
                                The East Coast Watermelon Kush is full on watermelon-honeydew flavor, it doesnt taste like citrus or skunk. I still have the S1 in my garden..



                                I couldnt find much info on astroboy.

                                The info I could find that relates Astroboy to a watermelon flavor profile:

                                "When burnt, Astroboy gives off a smooth and easily ingested smoke that tastes like citrus and skunk on the exhale. Certain phenotypes of this bud also carry a light watermelon flavor."
                                Ya the info on astroboy is hard to find ... it wasn’t a watermelon line but the line did have a watermelon pheno that was found and passed around back in the day... it was dead on jolly rancher watermelon like c99 expresses pineapples.. haven’t seen her in bout 10 maybe more years .. I’m gonna see if she is still alive and get my hands on her...

                                Do you remember bodhi and his watermelon hashplant was a long flowering girl , I missed out on those beans when they were available and still think about them often....

                                So your watermelon is not based off either of these ???? I haven’t grown any of these new watermelon lines but sounds like I need to... is dying breed the only ones with it...
                                I am SoFa KiNg We Todd DiD I sWeAr I am SoFa kiNg We ToD did
                                "JUST KEEP LIVIN THE DREAM"

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