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    Originally posted by TheDarkStorm View Post

    He made two different Hawaiian x hzC....the more sativa one was special....im sure it won a cup too.
    I think it did win a cup but he really loved that smoke regretted not having it still.

    I miss the old Hawaiian Maui sativa my self.
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      LEDs do not cause any deficiencies thats silly talk Hempster... LED provide nothing different from HPS except double the efficiency of photons per watt, and less abundant IR light which is a positive thing because HPS is basically nothing but a half heat lamp half light essentially. LED is full light.
      The ruderalis haze was lost before he made seeds, and he said it was the best hash he ever smoked in the MRN forum.

      "One of the males I crossed it with was Ruderalis x NL1 X NL1. I was testing a 25% Ruderalis male on the most difficult plant I'd come across to see what it would do. I used all the seed I had to find the earliest male for the next generation. I grew the females out and because it was so resinous, I made hash out of it. To this day it was the best hash I've ever smoked, and I've been privileged to have smoked the best.
      I truly regret not having made a cutting of that plant. I didn't make that mistake with the 6 that followed.
      I'm feeling a bit sad now, I think that I'll go and have a smoke.
      I'll tell you the rest later."

      I said bud, but.... dunno if it still counts cause he said best hash lol, but that speaks volumes and perhaps even more so..

      RIP brother Nev.
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        Originally posted by @hempy View Post

        I think it did win a cup but he really loved that smoke regretted not having it still.

        I miss the old Hawaiian Maui sativa my self.
        Some of those sativas turned to beasts in Hawaii....I remember a realy good one that used to come out all gold buds and red stems.....wish some of the good older ones were abit more easier to find

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          Originally posted by Dr.Young View Post
          LEDs do not cause any deficiencies thats silly talk Hempster... LED provide nothing different from HPS except double the efficiency of photons per watt, and less abundant IR light which is a positive thing because HPS is basically nothing but a half heat lamp half light essentially. LED is full light.
          The ruderalis haze was lost before he made seeds, and he said it was the best hash he ever smoked in the MRN forum.

          "One of the males I crossed it with was Ruderalis x NL1 X NL1. I was testing a 25% Ruderalis male on the most difficult plant I'd come across to see what it would do. I used all the seed I had to find the earliest male for the next generation. I grew the females out and because it was so resinous, I made hash out of it. To this day it was the best hash I've ever smoked, and I've been privileged to have smoked the best.
          I truly regret not having made a cutting of that plant. I didn't make that mistake with the 6 that followed.
          I'm feeling a bit sad now, I think that I'll go and have a smoke.
          I'll tell you the rest later."

          I said bud, but.... was only wrong in it being that he said best hash lol
          Dry sift...im sure he made the hash from pure crystals

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            Originally posted by Dr.Young View Post
            LEDs do not cause any deficiencies thats silly talk Hempster... LED provide nothing different from HPS except double the efficiency of photons per watt, and less abundant IR light which is a positive thing because HPS is basically nothing but a half heat lamp half light essentially. LED is full light.
            The ruderalis haze was lost before he made seeds, and he said it was the best hash he ever smoked in the MRN forum.

            "One of the males I crossed it with was Ruderalis x NL1 X NL1. I was testing a 25% Ruderalis male on the most difficult plant I'd come across to see what it would do. I used all the seed I had to find the earliest male for the next generation. I grew the females out and because it was so resinous, I made hash out of it. To this day it was the best hash I've ever smoked, and I've been privileged to have smoked the best.
            I truly regret not having made a cutting of that plant. I didn't make that mistake with the 6 that followed.
            I'm feeling a bit sad now, I think that I'll go and have a smoke.
            I'll tell you the rest later."

            I said bud, but.... dunno if it still counts cause he said best hash lol, but that speaks volumes and perhaps even more so..

            RIP brother Nev. I'll make observations, selections, and if it impacts the younger generation a fraction of the way you impacted my life I will die a proud man, and a legend.
            Everyone I know using LED had to adjust their feed and temps higher than what they were feeding vs using HID. If you do not adjust there will be deficiencies. LED are much more efficient which causes our plants to use more cal/mag. When I swapped out some HID to LED I noticed this on every plant under LED. In my flower room, I have my LED's in the center with CMH on the outer ends. All the plants in the center needed a cal/mag boost than plants closer to CMH.

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              The study was done in 2012 by hazencamp who became director of bedrocan. The samples were all purchased at coffee shops multiple times multiple places then compared in secondary metabolites. Any outliers were discarded. They tracked cannabinoids secondary cannabinoids sequiterpenes monoterpenes. So whatever the results are its pretty certain the amnesia is the clone only hydro. The bedrocan cut is also known verified although of course it only represents one pheno. So the comparison between these 2 clone only definitely tell 2 different stories. That could be attributed to a deep heterogenous genetic diversity in haze c or be a sign of an different/additional progenitor on the haze side of equation. It would be nice to know if it's haze f1 x haze f1 or (skunk/nl hybrid) x haze male. One interesting note from the paper the bedrocan terpinolene terpene sequiterpenes profile of is very similar to a group of medicinal plants guaiacol extract. Here's the link if anyone wants to read it l

              https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rc t=j&url=https://bedrocan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-cannabis-from-cultivar-to-chemovar_hazekamp.pdf&ved= 2ahUKEwi76cTp4tT0AhXsm-AKHSHEAVkQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=A OvVaw3pnSJ_ZFDgtLC_VPnybDx1

              The comparisons between amnesia and white widow are also really cool for a haze as non haze hybrid. Amnesia has almost triple the cbg and cbc as white widow. It's also significantly higher in guianene and selinene which are quite rare and suspected of significant entourage effects of the phenolic nature. It's been found in killer a5 for sire
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                Originally posted by Piff_cat View Post
                The study was done in 2012 by hazencamp who became director of bedrocan. The samples were all purchased at coffee shops multiple times multiple places then compared in secondary metabolites. Any outliers were discarded. They tracked cannabinoids secondary cannabinoids sequiterpenes monoterpenes. So whatever the results are its pretty certain the amnesia is the clone only hydro. The bedrocan cut is also known verified although of course it only represents one pheno. So the comparison between these 2 clone only definitely tell 2 different stories. That could be attributed to a deep heterogenous genetic diversity in haze c or be a sign of an different/additional progenitor on the haze side of equation. It would be nice to know if it's haze f1 x haze f1 or (skunk/nl hybrid) x haze male. One interesting note from the paper the bedrocan terpinolene terpene sequiterpenes profile of is very similar to a group of medicinal plants guaiacol extract. Here's the link if anyone wants to read it l

                https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rc t=j&url=https://bedrocan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-cannabis-from-cultivar-to-chemovar_hazekamp.pdf&ved= 2ahUKEwi76cTp4tT0AhXsm-AKHSHEAVkQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=A OvVaw3pnSJ_ZFDgtLC_VPnybDx1

                The comparisons between amnesia and white widow are also really cool for a haze as non haze hybrid. Amnesia has almost triple the cbg and cbc as white widow. It's also significantly higher in guianene and selinene which are quite rare and suspected of significant entourage effects of the phenolic nature. It's been found in killer a5 for sire
                nl5hzC1/sk1hzC x nl5sk(shiva) in comparison to nl5hzC1/sk4hzC x skaf........out of curiosity by that system how different would something like this show

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                  Originally posted by TheDarkStorm View Post

                  Some of those sativas turned to beasts in Hawaii....I remember a realy good one that used to come out all gold buds and red stems.....wish some of the good older ones were abit more easier to find
                  Lots of Asian genetics came back with servicemen after the Vietnam war back to Hawaii is what i was told.

                  Saw a 60min doco many years ago about a vet that grew Maui Wowie the plants were 7 meters tall. Ones i grew were beasts to.
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                    Originally posted by TheDarkStorm View Post

                    nl5hzC1/sk1hzC x nl5sk(shiva) in comparison to nl5hzC1/sk4hzC x skaf........out of curiosity by that system how different would something like this show
                    Everything I've read nev say put alot of importance in linebreeding to the nick ancestor. He thought 5hzc1 was def a nick. If I understand right line breeding to haze c would entail keeping at least 50 percent of pedigree of sire and dam line to tge ancestor being line bred to. So following his belief super silver haze breeding follows that rule while Jack would not. The dam line in jack contains 0 haze. Now there's no absolutes but I've noticed that once that linebreeding balance is created, a wld outcross in the next gen has significant portion of progeny unaffected by wld in f1. Angel heart is a great example. It's nearly a carbon copy of shantis mango haze breeder mom. Amnesia might fall into tgat same category

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                      Originally posted by Dr.Young View Post
                      LEDs do not cause any deficiencies thats silly talk Hempster... LED provide nothing different from HPS except double the efficiency of photons per watt, and less abundant IR light which is a positive thing because HPS is basically nothing but a half heat lamp half light essentially. LED is full light.
                      Going by what growers that have converted to Leds are seeing they do.

                      I dont think its the light intensity coming from the lights that is causing it because the sun here will fry an egg in the heat of summer and plants do just fine out doors.

                      I am no expert but no other indoor grow light set up that i know of causes a plant deficiency's only leads seam to.
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                        Im sure someone can convince hempy LED is the way to roll now.. It has better penetration, which i believe you said it doesnt have enough penetration to compete with HID before... I just dont know how to phrase it any better lol... Just trust me Hempy..
                        The main reason HID sucks is because its bright in the center and dim on the edges.... You can get good reflectors and DE systems that spread a solid 5x5, but its still not as good as LED because you can basically place a strip over every single square foot of a footprint. As far as the spectrum, and anything electrical or plant growth or anything its beyond superior which i dont think you disagree with that part... but because of the spectrum it has better penetration too because of the green light... which is the heart of a good penetration aside from PPFD/raw intensity + and light chips physically placed/surrounding 360 around the plants..

                        I just want you to experience top shelf is all, I want you to say thanks my sativas are even better now indoors than outdoors... Nothing to do with any malice or vendetta against you or any weird shit... Flatout just wanna help you, and resisting my love doesnt deter me lol
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                          Originally posted by Piff_cat View Post

                          Everything I've read nev say put alot of importance in linebreeding to the nick ancestor. He thought 5hzc1 was def a nick. If I understand right line breeding to haze c would entail keeping at least 50 percent of pedigree of sire and dam line to tge ancestor being line bred to. So following his belief super silver haze breeding follows that rule while Jack would not. The dam line in jack contains 0 haze. Now there's no absolutes but I've noticed that once that linebreeding balance is created, a wld outcross in the next gen has significant portion of progeny unaffected by wld in f1. Angel heart is a great example. It's nearly a carbon copy of shantis mango haze breeder mom. Amnesia might fall into tgat same category

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                          Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.
                          Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC.
                          If you are smoking any good Haze, I'll bet you London to a brick that it comes from Haze A or Hz C or both!
                          This is from Nevil's 1990 Catalogue.

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                            LED's work great for most hybrids. You will need to adjust temps and feed for sure. I need to see more Haze/Sat grown under LED. The 4 plants I ran seem to take a lot longer to flower. I do have 1 THH x P41 in flower. I'll see how she does.. I have 1 Hammers Kush x THH seedling up, coming soon.

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                              Originally posted by @hempy View Post




                              This is from Nevil's 1990 Catalogue.

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                              That's pretty cool I've never seen the 90 catalog before. You can see why nl5 haze is a true f1 but jack is not since the mother is a polyhybrid. Nl5 haze is much more haze dominant. If you make good selections at f2 it's def possible to get some nice ancestor throwbacks. Tropical seeds found extreme haze mom in thisvway.

                              do you have screenshots of the whole Catalogue hempy

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                                Can someone recommend me some haze seeds? Who has the best haze???

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