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    Originally posted by sbeanonnamellow View Post
    Hempy, I owe you an apology man. My latest comment was criticizing in ways it didn't have to be. Your comments had me dig into a publication I have that's a little over my head so I haven't really delved into the entire scope of it's contents. Imagine my surprise when I go thumbing through it to find something proving myself right only to find the following:
    Hi SB you dont ow me an apology mate you showed me respect even if you did not agree with me and that is what a discussions about.

    Haze is a hybrid that was first developed in the 60s and the very best Haze was from the F1s matting.

    All Sam has tried to do with it is preserve it the best he can.

    When we grow haze be it Toms Haze Ohaze or Nevil's Haze we seek out the exceptional plants and going by what people like Tom says its around the 3% and the rest is hay. Haze is a Hybrid what we are seeing in the 3% i believe is Haze ancestral plants showing up closer to the Haze F1 matting.

    Nevil was the person who told me about the ancestral memory of males and Line breeding .
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      How do you want to recommend a female when nobody finds a great one and everybody reports hay from SamS OH lines for 2 decades?
      Where are the great OH females of the last 20 years that are not from/via Tom Hill?
      Other than mine, SamS was so happy to see, that looked like his OH mother he liked a lot, used for "massive seed production". There have been not many. After I shared it, there are a few more, of course. Via Todd too. But I wouldn't compare his to our OHs. I wonder if mine was one of the few females out of 1.000, SamS said you need to select to improve the Haze.

      In this case here, Gollis OH being very inbred, the separation work already been done by him it makes not much difference if you use a female or male. You can simply select a male for frost etc. and hit everything with him.

      But I do recommend to use males too, when I gift OH seeds. Since there is a difference.
      Females are great too. Haze19 and Sams mother have not been used for commercial seed production for no reason. Huge Haze plants do carry plenty of tiny seeds and are not much more unconvinient for professional use than indicas you need to veg long time. And if Mac is using a Golli male after having used twice reversed females, it does make sense for many reasons...

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        Originally posted by GoatCheese View Post


        Cannatorium/Rosemary Incense/Astro THC..

        You’re getting upset again when people aren’t interested in your horseshit and it isn’t the first time. You always think you know everything better than others and every time people aren’t buying into your fantasies you start to call them names. Always the same story with you.

        ..Soon you’re gonna tell us again that you’re leaving ICMAG cause we're bunch of assholes, only to come back little later using a different name.
        Why don't you grow up already.

        in the absence of arguments there is only insult .... there is no point in arguing with you at all. Everyone knows that you are an ordinary troll who has grown 10 plants in 10 years ... you are funny and irrelevant in the final story. :*

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          Originally posted by CANNATORIUM View Post


          in the absence of arguments there is only insult .... there is no point in arguing with you at all. Everyone knows that you are an ordinary troll who has grown 10 plants in 10 years ... you are funny and irrelevant in the final story. :*
          You got me, Rosey..
          i went thru over 500 of these earlier this year
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          You’re seemingly one of those people, who – when they understand that they’ve lost the debate – they start mocking someone’s growing skills or telling them they’re small time growers. Hah-ha. What a petty person you are, Astro.


          Here’s Nevil about your “Haze female” x NL1 again in bigherb’s quote:

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          im dying to know what haze parent was used in your first haze hybrid released at the seed bank the hazeXnl1?
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          HzC
          N.
          Haze C is a male, Rosey.. Nevil just listed it FIRST and the NL1 female SECOND.

          But you didn't understand this and never bothered to double check your false assumptions, did you.
          ..and now you're upset and getting pissy again, Rosey. You always behave the same.

          You have serious trouble admitting when you’re wrong, Astro. It’s an Ego problem.


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            Originally posted by GoatCheese View Post

            You got me, Rosey..
            i went thru over 500 of these earlier this year
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            You’re seemingly one of those people, who – when they understand that they’ve lost the debate – they start mocking someone’s growing skills or telling them they’re small time growers. Hah-ha. What a petty person you are, Astro.


            Here’s Nevil about your “Haze female” x NL1 again in bigherb’s quote:


            Haze C is a male, Rosey.. Nevil just listed it FIRST and the NL1 female SECOND.

            But you didn't understand this and never bothered to double check your false assumptions, did you.
            ..and now you're upset and getting pissy again, Rosey. You always behave the same.

            You have serious trouble admitting when you’re wrong, Astro. It’s an Ego problem.

            what you had grown in these cups tomatos ? ahahah nice one this topic aint about me or you....you are troling again..its about haze...and someone sad that typo was 1988 no it wasnt it was 1989 I give my evidences all of you that say it was real Nevile give me one evidence for it ???

            I dont get it only evidence for Nevile online are posts made on Mr nice forum and constantly you copy paste same qotes by xy guy....i dont belive it can you get it ????....it was cananbis noob behind these avatar probably def and blind if SSH and Diesel are the same to him....

            TDS,BH,DEA and you....I dont atack you i just want one evidence on real Nevile online....please just without posts copy pasted from another forum....which purpse was to promote seeds from one seed bank...I have my evidence they are in catalogues.....and all this you say nah it aint real it was real nevile not say type that...you are funny....
            but everyone has the right to believe what he wants
            full right with a lack of intelligence is to believe stories that clash with real life.....I put catalogues you put copy paste from xy guy who shure wasnt Nevile.......and thats are your evidences....stop troling goat......



            after all, as soon as you go to refute my allegations. means I hit you in the middle.
            to a tall man to say he was small would take it as an irony....
            and would not react..


            A beginner who doesn't grow anything like you.
            the truth bothered you....
            and then you went to prove to me with cups your mom planting cucumbers and tomatoes this year that you are a real grower.

            Show plants, not mom’s pots from the garden....
            but why talk at all to a man whose purpose is only to troll.

            have you ever made a general statement on this forum in your 11 years worth mentioning???

            Go troll and help your mummy in garden its healtier than sit in front of pc all day. :*

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              OK i will make topic for prove that Nevile was funny trol...look this ahahhaah...


              When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.
              They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
              NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds.
              The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure.
              There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had.( there was Sams Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way) The NL2 was a Kush.
              I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well try 50%.
              The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!

              I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
              N.

              This is real Nevile post....catalogue from 1987 ahahhaha.....the best...
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              NL9 x SK 1 ahahaahah this profile make me laugh a lot....original Nevile....ahahahah the best.


              A good source of truth.

              But I know this was fake catalogue
              and Nevil has nothing to do with it......

              he wrote the real truth behind the false profile 30 years later...

              If its my forum anybody who copy paste this noob Nevile fake account it will be banned for a week ....ahahahh


              the internet is fighting fake news, and the quality of forums is measured by the quality of content. Either way copy-paste noob qotes by noob acc contributes nothing better.





              NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male so it was C male x NL1 male...nice breeding boiz...


              it is very difficult for the human body to lie. If you see that someone is writing contradictory and that his statements do not match the statements from before, he is a simple liar.

              sry for off topic but im done....

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                Originally posted by CANNATORIUM View Post
                NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male so it was C male x NL1 male...nice breeding boiz...
                it is very difficult for the human body to lie. If you see that someone is writing contradictory and that his statements do not match the statements from before, he is a simple liar.


                Thick as ... aren’t you, Rosey. The NL1 line Nevil got from States was a batch of seeds. I’m sure those had females in them too, what do you think, genius.
                You seemingly understand written english as well as you write it, Astro.

                Originally posted by CANNATORIUM View Post
                but im done....

                That’s so you, Rosemary Incense/Astro THC/CANNATORIUM
                Now, why don’t you delete the account AGAIN, open a new one in few months and come back with the same shitty attitude, the same shitty english and the same typos ...shure, shure, shure you will.

                EDIT:
                These aren’t tomatoes..
                I live in a small one room apartment, yet i go thru hundreds of seeds when i start. Imagine if i had as big of a grow room as you do, i’d go thru thousands.. 10-pack at a time is what you are, aren’t you? You talk big but play with very little.


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                  At what point do you call it when plants don't show any traits you like.. How long does it take for these traits to express?. Should these be observable after 70 days of flower?.. If not d you cull them or wait longer?.

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                    Originally posted by Hammerhead View Post
                    At what point do you call it when plants don't show any traits you like.. How long does it take for these traits to express?. Should these be observable after 70 days of flower?.. If not d you cull them or wait longer?.
                    It all depends on the line how fast you can cull them.
                    BLD x NLD hybrids show very early on which side they are leaning. BLD x BLD or NLD x NLD would be more difficult to judge.
                    For my CBD-plant project pictured above, in which i’m looking for the more BLD leaning plants, males in my case, the first ones to go i can cull them about 10 days after dropping them into soil/glass of water, so quite fast.

                    Here are few NLD vs. BLD leaning seedlings out of those seeds. about 10 days old

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                    Aroma profiles start to form few week after germination, you don’t have to flower them to get some idea how they smell, but the aroma keeps developing to atleast 7 weeks+ after germination. Ofcourse this doesn’t give you an accurate picture, but you can get an idea of the aroma profile while they’re still vegging and you can cull the ones you don’t like.

                    I don’t throw away anything i’m not 100% sure of but once i’m sure i cull them away as fast as i can so i’ll have room to plant more seeds. I took about 3 months for me to go thru 500 seeds in couple of small cabs measuring about 40cmx80cm each.
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                      Originally posted by JohnnyChicago View Post
                      How do you want to recommend a female when nobody finds a great one and everybody reports hay from SamS OH lines for 2 decades?
                      Where are the great OH females of the last 20 years that are not from/via Tom Hill?
                      Other than mine, SamS was so happy to see, that looked like his OH mother he liked a lot, used for "massive seed production". There have been not many. After I shared it, there are a few more, of course. Via Todd too. But I wouldn't compare his to our OHs. I wonder if mine was one of the few females out of 1.000, SamS said you need to select to improve the Haze.

                      In this case here, Gollis OH being very inbred, the separation work already been done by him it makes not much difference if you use a female or male. You can simply select a male for frost etc. and hit everything with him.

                      But I do recommend to use males too, when I gift OH seeds. Since there is a difference.
                      Females are great too. Haze19 and Sams mother have not been used for commercial seed production for no reason. Huge Haze plants do carry plenty of tiny seeds and are not much more unconvinient for professional use than indicas you need to veg long time. And if Mac is using a Golli male after having used twice reversed females, it does make sense for many reasons...
                      Hiya Johnny people have found great Female haze plants in the years i read and followed peoples grow threads. There just not finding exceptional plants in every seed and that is common in many hybrids. The closer you got to the original Haze f1 seed the better they were.

                      Following and reading Haze grow threads for more than 20 years now the exceptional plants are becoming harder to find compared to say 20 years ago.

                      I remember 20 or more years ago you got a pack or 2 of Haze seed you were going to find at lest 1 exceptional female.

                      When i look at say your seed grown by Star the first thing i notice is vigor then i notice a common ancestral look in the plants i dont see that in Todd's.

                      What that tells me is your inbreeding work managed to Fix a desired type / concentrate the genes of a superior ancestor. So your chances of finding good plants have now been increased.

                      All most of us want is to grow good cannabis but to grow good cannabis we need good seed and that is what this type of discussion is about.




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                        Originally posted by Hammerhead View Post
                        At what point do you call it when plants don't show any traits you like.. How long does it take for these traits to express?. Should these be observable after 70 days of flower?.. If not d you cull them or wait longer?.
                        What are you looking for that your not seeing so far in the Haze Hammer.
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                          Originally posted by @hempy View Post

                          What are you looking for that your not seeing so far in the Haze Hammer.
                          Any quality traits we all look for.. Examples are visible resin, aromas, structure. Do you let the plants go full term without seeing these traits before culling?. At what point do you guys call it?. ID like to get multiple opinions on this.

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                            Originally posted by Hammerhead View Post

                            Any quality traits we all look for.. Examples are visible resin, aromas, structure. Do you let the plants go full term without seeing these traits before culling?. At what point do you guys call it?. ID like to get multiple opinions on this.
                            ACE boys said about OT Haze that if they are low resin plants from very early on, they won’t develop resin later either.
                            ..i’ve seen similar results with other hybrids too, if they seriously lack resin in veg (you can see globular resin glands on the stem with a 30x magnifying loop) they aren’t great during harvest time either. I have started binning the really poor ones without even bothering to bloom them,esp. if they are also low/bland smelling, cause i lack the space in my bloom tent.
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                              Hey GoatCheese do you know if those observations from ACE come from flowering them in equatorial locations?

                              I wonder if these types are just "off" or if something they require for signaling from the environment they are in is "off".

                              ​​​​​ Hey Hammer in your forever flower specimen picture it looks like it is showing sex. You can always throw some pollen on it and see how those genetics end up expressing themselves when paired with something else.

                              I wonder if these types are just slow to go, or if they need to be started from seed 12/12 or something. Maybe they need a certain altitude or uv spectrum. Or maybe they are just genetically predisposed to not flower like most others in the population. Much love

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                                Originally posted by sbeanonnamellow View Post
                                Hey GoatCheese do you know if those observations from ACE come from flowering them in equatorial locations?

                                I wonder if these types are just "off" or if something they require for signaling from the environment they are in is "off".

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                                They do their breeding in Spain.
                                I’m sure low resin plants would be the same no matter where you’d grow them.
                                I’m sure equatorial sativas grow better in their natural environment than indoors, but shitty plants are shitty plants no matter where you grow them.

                                Here’s a link to their OT Haze thread. It has lots good info for indoor growers for these types of plants, for Hazes and other sativas; photos of their breeding plants etc. It’s a good one.
                                https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-ve...ldtimer-s-haze


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