The New Chocolate Thai

[@hempy]

Some of the best Thai cannabis was said to come out of the The Hmong hill tribes along with lots of opium. The Hmong hill tribes also have a long history with hemp fiber now that dose not mean they used low THC sativas.


The Thai government pushed sustainable, agricultural and social developments for Hmong tribes. Economical support comes from Thailand’s “Royal Project” and was further established through the “Highland Research & Development Institute” (HRDI) in 2005. Following the establishment of the HRDI, the Hmong people gain protection and it enables them to cultivate hemp for their cultural heritage without the fear of punishment. This leads to the increasing production of handmade traditional hemp fabric in Thailand, by the Hmong people. Tribes outside of the Royal Project have been excluded from this protection and were still prosecuted until 2013. In 2013 the Parliament passed a law – which excluded hemp fibre and stalks from drug penalty. As a result, it’s now legal to cultivate hemp to certain regions and ethnic groups in northern Thailand.

https://www.cannabiscatalysts.com/traditional-hemp-fabric-production-in-thailand-2/

 

[willydread]

Wait, I didn't say that Thai Sticks had cbd, I said I know for sure that in the Chang Mai area cannabis ALSO contains cbd and is ALSO consumed for smoking, as indeed everywhere cannabis is grown not only for its flowers but also for fiber / seeds.

About haze, MadMac and JohnnyChicago did not add anything new, but dismantled old ideas, memories when hardly anyone grew haze and almost everyone said it wasn't worth the effort, too difficult, little production, etc ...
Now look at how many people are raising it ... and I did too, who am a newbe.......

 

[@hempy]

Yep on that i agree been telling people for years growing haze is worth every week of its flowering time.

I would say traditional Thai sativas have at best 1% CBD but going buy old Analysis conducted its about 0.2 % .

High THC sativas can produce an almost silk quality fiber.

What needs to be pointed out here of all the Thai sativas i have grown all but one line dried to a chock brown with the classic Thai earthy spicy look and smell. Only one Thai line i ever grew and saw dried green and cured brown.

If i was a betting man i would wager that if people wanted to find what Americans call chock Thai i would go to the The Hmong hill tribes in search of it there. From reading Tourists still go up there and score cannabis even today.


I found this interesting.

Like many other Hmong people, Ms Thanyaporn Thanomworakul has been growing hemp near her home in the mountains for as long as she can remember. Its yarn clothes her family for important rituals marking every milestone, from birth to death.

d. Unlike her ancestors though, she is not allowed to keep any seed The tall leafy cannabis sativa is lopped off before it flowers so as to comply with a Thai government policy to control a possible narcotic while still allowing the hill tribe to retain its tradition.

 

[Stocktont]

Damn it sure sounds like some of you guys have been there and lived there as you write with such conviction how things were and what happened but only a small amount of real knowledge on the culture and also the history of the area would have made you realize that some of those things you read or heard that others had read, they’re not actually ”facts”.

Do you know what really happened in the mountains for most of those farmers you think you know the history of? Do you know? How many were killed between 2004 and 2007 without a trial?

By all means keep up your pretend ”authority” as you grew some hermie seeds from thailand for 40 years you sure must know the history and with some of that bright logic you can just cement in the holes of your swiss-cheese theory.

Ask some of the people who have been there and know people, but you have already butted heads with them when they won’t agree with all this pretend shit. I bet most people who speak so ”knowingly” about Thailand and its culture and history would be pretty quiet if we met up there and continued this silly storytelling over there.

Do you even know what the tribes are, who the Hmong are/were? Have you met one? Do you know what dialect or Thai or other language they speak? Or did you only read someone that sold seeds called Hmong Thai and some story about a tribe in the ”highlands” that grow the best weed in the world…

Ask DJ where in Thailand he went to collect his genetics, ask him about the tribes he met, LOL, most of them had an Oregon accent I am sure…

 

[rolandomota]

So bring us the seed all knowing one dj didn't go to Thailand he got it as imported illegal bagseed from who knows where really just like the Mex Oaxaca and Afghanistan who knows for sure he didn't bring the stuff he just bought it here and people told him stories about it

 

[Stocktont]

@Hempy How do you know that there are no thai’s with ”high CBD”? How many have you tested or even seen lab-tested? What are the other cannabinoids that are common in ”thai” besides THC or THC(A) or THCV that we already know of? Are there different types as in different cannabinoid profiles within what you call ”thai”? It’s unclear what ”thai” means here if it applies to all ”south east asian” types or if it’s just the few you’ve tried from imported weed? Just want to know exactly how far your absolute statement holds true this time.

It would be far more interesting to hear if @ngakpa or any other credible person has any insight into this matter.

To me it seems to be three main types of ”south east asian” types which means the ones I have seen there from end of the 90s until today so not in the 1970s or 80s. To me cannabis often comes in color, even if the plants aren’t that specific color I might always associate it with it due to the color of the trim hash or the fading leafs or whatever. So it comes naturally for me to speak of the south east asian weed I have seen over the years in colors. As have others before me.

There might be more colors depending on who you ask but the south east asian that I have come across the most have been Green, Brown or Yellow/golden. That is also the order of commonality as most of the commercial weed bought in tourist spots or big cities, if it is grown in Asia under the sun, usually comes in pressed green bricks. 20 years ago it was much more common to get what I call ”brown” even in some touristy jamaican-music-establishment on the beach today most such places have the lower quality of the green brick.

The golden category is more elusive as it could, by some, be called either brown or green depending on what kind of Yellow to golden it is. There are some variations where I have had green/brown and green/golden or brown/golden, rarely have those half and half ones been better than the best of either category on its own.

There’s a great variation within the Green category as within the Brown, not only considering overall quality but differences in the perceived effects. This is where it gets hard to have a conversation as such things as how one felt while under the influence and being able to describe those effects are not always translatable between all humans. This is why it would be insightful, at least to me, if any one who have actual knowledge of cannabinoid profiles of south east asian types would share their knowledge. Are there distinct types only looking at the cannabinoid content and if so what are the differences between them.

In 2018 and 2019 I lived in the same place and I would go to get weed from one of my friends in that place. He would always have the exact same quality no matter season, it tasted very similar and always had the same kind of effect. I thought it was weird as usually it is very hard to keep that kind of consistency over the seasons and through the year. Places would get new weed and it would be pretty good and tasty for a bit and then a few months in, their kilos went dry. This weed was always fresh and savory. The guy kept it in his fridge, like big loafs of pressed flower that he then cut in slices like the one you see in my pictures in the link below and slip it into a plastic holder.

The color of the weed is brown but this might be due to the post harvest process as I suspect this weed was cured differently to most commercial (green) bricks. Some have suggested some sort of ”cob” type of cure but I don’t know other than it always had a very special savory component to the flavor and it was always fresh.

I once asked the guy where he got it from, as I got to know him pretty well, still do to this day and I bet when I got to see him next time, I will get some of that weed and be very happy with it. He told me it came from up north but he didn’t know the exact location.

This is also one of the things with Thailand that is important to understand. The ”north” isn’t always referring to Isaan which is the province most people that read old Thai weed stories refer to, and for good reason. Isaan is the biggest province in the country with roughly 20 000 000 people living or at least are recorded to live there (out of approximately 65-67 million thais in all of Thailand). Isaan is the province with all those names like Udon Thani and Nakhon Phenom, Sakon Nakhon etc. and it borders to Laos. This is the region where one could say many of the people of Isaan, nationally Thais, speak Lao, though some of the other Thais call it Isaan. That is the north-east border but to the north-west there’s another old famous country called Burma (now Myanmar). I have visited the border regions between Thailand and Myanmar on the west side and I can tell you from experience that there are some really good cannabis in those regions to. Chang Mai and Chang Rai are two of the bigger cities in that region and it is as much ”up in the mountains” as Isaan. South of the north-east border there’s the Thai/Cambodian border. All these three regions have pretty different culture and for sure different languages hailing from their local dialects. In the north-east Lao or Isaan is the language, south-east there would be more of a Khamer influence and the north-west has a different thai dialect to those two areas as well as all those have a different dialect to the south (the parts south of Bangkok). They sure can speak ”national” thai amongst them but they speak their dialect in day-to-day life.

Some one speaking Isaan/Lao and someone speaking Dthai (which is the name of the southern dialect) might underhand a bit what the other person is talking about but they wouldn’t know how to answer correctly in the other dialect. Thailand still today is much more localized than many western countries and not only through their specific dialects that are almost like different languages. This is for the general ”thai” population in those areas. There are some ”native” people living in remote areas, both in the north and the south. Some of these people, like the Hmong people referenced so often on cannabis boards, speak their own languages and I have had thai people say they could understand my thai, as a westerner, but they have no idea what those very short, Hmong people are saying. Sadly many of those tribal people have had to move out of their regions and go on to places of tourism like many people from Isaan and other areas, to make money. They are often very kind but it’s also impossible to have a conversation with them as their language isn’t anything like any of the other dialects in the area.

Anyone who spent a longer amount of time in the region, north, south, west, east, know that it is extremely hard to get accurate information and when learning the languages and befriending the locals, yet another layer of enigma comes out as you will realize how little you understand these people even if you can translate some word for word, you will not know the meaning and how they use their language to associate and describe things until you lived there and tried to speak with them on a daily basis. It takes years to get to know some of the most simple things and to get their way of using their language to paint a picture of a story.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=85612

 

[Stocktont]

So bring us the seed all knowing one dj didn't go to Thailand he got it as imported illegal bagseed from who knows where really just like the Mex Oaxaca and Afghanistan who knows for sure he didn't bring the stuff he just bought it here and people told him stories about it

I don’t really know what to make of your comment if it is directed at me @rolandomota

Why don’t you go find the seeds you want yourself? Why would you trust me to bring you anything and a story?

I think DJ himself said as much as the genetics were collected in America, the Afghani he said it was one generation removed from Afghanistan (first gen in America I read that as) and the Purple Thai wasn’t that also an Oregon thing before? My point was just that a lot of people have ”worked” thai seeds but I don’t know of many that actually went there to collect seeds, in the field as it were. You seem to agree with me but my spider senses tells me there might be some sarcasm there, lol, if you know differently then by all means please enlighten me but it really takes nothing away from DJ or his seeds, they are what they are no matter what I or others say about them.

All the best/

 

[TheDarkStorm]

DNA got seeds out of a bag of chocolate thai or something like that was the story I recall then gave seeds to drawoh from their bulk up.

Chocolate thai seemed to be smaller of a plant with the pictures DJ posted of what he grew in Oregon way back, very narrow leafs though, although the plants were not in ideal situations.

My best guess is that the chocolate thai was simple a variety that tastes like chocolate cocoa powder, who has it is a different story, it could from issan like has been suggested but I would wager against dna and drawoh having the same chocolate thai that dj and others remember.

Im not sure that that plant picture that has been posted of dj's thai is pure chocolate thai....I do remember he was supposed to have hybridized his chocolate....perhaps with the oaxacan...and he complained of getting some weird looking plant....wich I recon is more than likely what the picture is.

 

[CannaT]

Facts are important Willybread high CBD is not a pleasant affect or would high CBD cannabis give the affect of the Thia stick people decades later still talk of.

I have grown Thais for many decades i have some understanding of what am talking about.

I never went to Thailand but a friend did regularly even Nevil went to Thailand and yet even Nevil found better Thai being grown here decades later.

All the Thai we grew here and still grow here most originate from seed found in imported Thai stick and some was collected from within Thailand.Thai was collected during the Nam war also the us air force largest bases were in Thailand.

What did JohnnyChicago and MadMac reveal about haze that was not all ready public knowledge ?.

What you saing man ?

Did you try high CBD to yourself ?

I made experiment for half year with high cbd and cbg.
When i mix it with regular strong weed high thc. 22% in ratio 1/3 it gives me plesent happy no panic old school high.
Sometimes it makes me horny and very calm chilled and relaxed.

The more you post more we see that you are noob as fuck.
No mather with whom you talked or what have you grown.

And when high fades no heavy feeling no nothing.

You have to have in mind that landraces have much more CBD it was Dutch weed or American whethever you want to call it.
Which is breed exlusively for knockout devastating high,paranoic with thc only.

You have not smoked landraces at all.
Nature dosent mind about THC percentage.
It breed by its own rules.

 

[@hempy]

What you saing man ?

Did you try high CBD to yourself ?

I made experiment for half year with high cbd and cbg.
When i mix it with regular strong weed high thc. 22% in ratio 1/3 it gives me plesent happy no panic old school high.
Sometimes it makes me horny and very calm chilled and relaxed.

The more you post more we see that you are noob as fuck.
No mather with whom you talked or what have you grown.

And when high fades no heavy feeling no nothing.

You have to have in mind that landraces have much more CBD it was Dutch weed or American whethever you want to call it.
Which is breed exlusively for knockout devastating high,paranoic with thc only.

You have not smoked landraces at all.
Nature dosent mind about THC percentage.
It breed by its own rules.

So American and Dutch cannabis breed out CBD what a ridicules statement to make something id expect a prohibitionist to say.

I have grown and smoked land races for over 40 years how long you been growing 5 years .

 

[Stocktont]

What you saing man ?

Did you try high CBD to yourself ?

I made experiment for half year with high cbd and cbg.
When i mix it with regular strong weed high thc. 22% in ratio 1/3 it gives me plesent happy no panic old school high.
Sometimes it makes me horny and very calm chilled and relaxed.

The more you post more we see that you are noob as fuck.
No mather with whom you talked or what have you grown.

And when high fades no heavy feeling no nothing.

You have to have in mind that landraces have much more CBD it was Dutch weed or American whethever you want to call it.
Which is breed exlusively for knockout devastating high,paranoic with thc only.

You have not smoked landraces at all.
Nature dosent mind about THC percentage.
It breed by its own rules.

You are talking about the same thing I was trying to talk about before, that some cannabinoids, even if they exist in a smaller percentage than say THC, will alter the effects. Some might like it, some might not. I would like to see real test samples from an array of green south east asians and some brown, the ones with a slightly different effect, and see if there’s any clue in the profile of the whole plant. It doesn’t have to be super high in some of the cannabinoids for them to have an impact on perceived effects. Would also be interesting to see if any post harvest process would make for a special cannabinoid profile since some also change after harvest. Definitely interesting to see what different mixes/ratios of cannabinoids will do together.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

This was my accomodation in a small village between Tak and Sukothai in north western Thailand. Went there with a friend 20 years ago to meet his grand parents. Because of the monsoon rain everyting got flooded and we had to stay there for ca. 4 weeks instead of 1.
No tap water, no real toilets.
And I was the only white man miles around. Like an alien.
The attraction there.

Grand pa was a big ganja smoker and the only person in town speaking english. He was 65. Unfortnately died few years later.
He did want the best of the best for us. Gave him money for taxi and weed. He brought us the very best he could find and there were definitively chocolate terps present. That I never had in Bangkok, nor in (and on the way to) Koh Chang, nor on the south western islands, nor from the coffeeshop imports.

Unfortunately I was not interested to know the origins of what I was smoking. I know he went to Tak near Burma and another day toward east. That's why I grew the Burmese from Costal seeds, to see if I do find that kind of terps I had there.

The place I was is less than 200km (bee line) from Laos and ca. 100-150km from Burma.

I was a coffeeshop nerd, so not really interested in the origins of what I was smoking. Nor in seeds... Hope this has not been to much off topic.

 

[Stocktont]

This was my accomodation in a small village between Tak and Sukothai in north western Thailand. Went there with a friend 20 years ago to meet his grand parents. Because of the monsoon rain everyting got flooded and we had to stay there for ca. 4 weeks instead of 1.
No tap water, no real toilets.
And I was the only white man miles around. Like an alien.
The attraction there.

Grand pa was a big ganja smoker and the only person in town speaking english. He was 65. Unfortnately died few years later.
He did want the best of the best for us. Gave him money for taxi and weed. He brought us the very best he could find and there were definitively chocolate terps present. That I never had in Bangkok, nor in (and on the way to) Koh Chang, nor on the south western islands, nor from the coffeeshop imports.

Unfortunately I was not interested to know the origins of what I was smoking. I know he went to Tak near Burma and another day toward east. That's why I grew the Burmese from Costal seeds, to see if I do find that kind of terps I had there.

The place I was is less than 200km (bee line) from Laos and ca. 100-150km from Burma.

I was a coffeeshop nerd, so not really interested in the origins of what I was smoking. Nor in seeds... Hope this has not been to much off topic.

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sounds like a nice time @JohnnyChicago! The best weed for sure can be found through old stoners, north and south, just got to find the right person. Did you get used to living like that? I never had it that rural for longer periods but I also spent a lot of time in the countryside as well as in cities/tourist places where the accommodations are better hehe. Was it dark or brown weed you got or was it green?

 

[willydread]

If you are asking me if I have ever been to Thailand, no, I have never been there, but being a bettafish lover I have many friends over there ...
In general, Thais don't talk about cannabis, too many years of harsh repression, but in rural areas often families have some plants for family use ... but they try to keep them hidden (at least those I know)...

 

[Stocktont]

If you are asking me if I have ever been to Thailand, no, I have never been there, but being a bettafish lover I have many friends over there ...
In general, Thais don't talk about cannabis, too many years of harsh repression, but in rural areas often families have some plants for family use ... but they try to keep them hidden (at least those I know)...

most Thais don’t talk about cannabis and you’re not looking smart bringing it up when it is not appropriate. Contrary to many people’s believes there are many things that you ”shouldn’t” do in Thai society that us westerners break and in their minds look stupid for doing, like smoking weed and drinking to name a few. Sure a lot of them do it too, some of them are smart enough to not show it off to everyone which is the smart road to take. It can still be pretty dangerous or at least expensive to get caught in some places. Sure, there’s a lot of people who have a plant or a few. The more rural (less police and other people interference) the braver you can be. That’s why it’s so much fun to go to far off places and try to find weed as it is often times much better than commercial.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

sounds like a nice time @JohnnyChicago! The best weed for sure can be found through old stoners, north and south, just got to find the right person. Did you get used to living like that? I never had it that rural for longer periods but I also spent a lot of time in the countryside as well as in cities/tourist places where the accommodations are better hehe. Was it dark or brown weed you got or was it green?

With the time you get used to everything. Only the snakes I did not as it is a well known cobra area. Bought them a dog because of the snakes. Died on a snake bite few years later....

The weed was dark. Dark brown, dark green.
One was green and uncured.

Because of the repression the use of cannabis has been replaced with meth (called jaba there) and alcohol. And cannabis consumers seen as junkies or alcoholics. Even the grandpas there in the village were treated like alcoholics by their families. And we the the young guests of the village, were all the time with the grand pa squad
They do all grow their own vegetables and fruits there. But weed they did grow only when they were young they said.

They even fear to speak about cannabis in Thailand such a great job has been done with the repression. There you see what is possible with repression. The thais have changed a lot culturally because of that. Not anymore the land of smiles it has used to be.

 

[Bud Jones]

This was my accomodation in a small village between Tak and Sukothai in north western Thailand. Went there with a friend 20 years ago to meet his grand parents. Because of the monsoon rain everyting got flooded and we had to stay there for ca. 4 weeks instead of 1.
No tap water, no real toilets.
And I was the only white man miles around. Like an alien.
The attraction there.

Grand pa was a big ganja smoker and the only person in town speaking english. He was 65. Unfortnately died few years later.
He did want the best of the best for us. Gave him money for taxi and weed. He brought us the very best he could find and there were definitively chocolate terps present. That I never had in Bangkok, nor in (and on the way to) Koh Chang, nor on the south western islands, nor from the coffeeshop imports.

Unfortunately I was not interested to know the origins of what I was smoking. I know he went to Tak near Burma and another day toward east. That's why I grew the Burmese from Costal seeds, to see if I do find that kind of terps I had there.

The place I was is less than 200km (bee line) from Laos and ca. 100-150km from Burma.

I was a coffeeshop nerd, so not really interested in the origins of what I was smoking. Nor in seeds... Hope this has not been to much off topic.

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How did you like the Coastal seeds Burmese? Here’s mine at day 60, she’s a total terp factory... Sour Apple Blowpop terps .. Smells amazing!

 

[CannaT]

So American and Dutch cannabis breed out CBD what a ridicules statement to make something id expect a prohibitionist to say.

I have grown and smoked land races for over 40 years how long you been growing 5 years .

When you are stupid it is the same as when you are dead.
Everyone understands that except you.

If landraces contains more cbd then ''Dutch and American'' genetics.
And D & A american genetics are being breed out of landraces,and they dont have any CBD or very small amount we can conclude that cbd is being breed out of this genetics.

No I dont grow 5 years I grow 13 years and consider myself top noch grower.
And people that try my stuff also confrms this.
I grew in soil,coco,E&F,DWC and now made my own sistem which i called RDWC.

Did you test those samples you smoked so you know what is cananbinoid picture of THAI strains ?
What are you growing right now ?
What are you smokeing right now ?

 

[Stocktont]

With the time you get used to everything. Only the snakes I did not as it is a well known cobra area. Bought them a dog because of the snakes. Died on a snake bite few years later....

The weed was dark. Dark brown, dark green.
One was green and uncured.

Because of the repression the use of cannabis has been replaced with meth (called jaba there) and alcohol. And cannabis consumers seen as junkies or alcoholics. Even the grandpas there in the village were treated like alcoholics by their families. And we the the young guests of the village, were all the time with the grand pa squad
They do all grow their own vegetables and fruits there. But weed they did grow only when they were young they said.

They even fear to speak about cannabis in Thailand such a great job has been done with the repression. There you see what is possible with repression. The thais have changed a lot culturally because of that. Not anymore the land of smiles it has used to be.

Yea the countryside is a different trip than many other places where westerners go like Bangkok and some of the islands/beaches in the south. Both places have their pros and cons. It’s not always easy being the only farang in a village. Everyone will know who you are, where you live, what you do, when and what you eat, if you drink, smoke etc. Don’t make any mistake about that LOL, they will know. It’s good if they like you and you get lost or just take a walk, I get people stopping me all the time asking me if they can give me a ride. They know my wife and her family and they know exactly what brand of beer I drink. But it’s not good as if the cops would ever look for you, they’d find you right away. If you fuck up everyone will know it’s you. It’s way more possible to blend into the surroundings at one of the tourist destinations or in Bangkok, there you’re just another farang.

the deal with meth is horrible but that is the case wherever meth goes I think. it’s wide spread all over the country and every family seem to have at least one member in jail for distribution of it. Horrible drug and horrible consequences too.

The repression is also fear of the men in brown, it’s not like most places in the world, they don’t mess about so most people, even the law abiding citizens, want nothing to do with them.

well the thing with the smile bit, I don’t know if it was ever in that way most of us western people imagined it. We don’t understand how they think on fundamental levels as our cultures are so different. But there’s still a lot of smile and you get a long way, much longer than with anger and aggression, using your own smile and a laugh. Things have changed all over the world and yes Thailand and Thais sure have changed too. But if you have a happy go lucky attitude and smile all the time it’s still pretty easy to enjoy life here. But you have got to see things for what they are, not everyone’s out to help you in all places. Like the rest of the world.


sukuthai is in the central parts of Isaan right? Did you go to the oldest monuments in the area, it’s rich with Thai history.

 

[Stocktont]

This is some brown stuff I got consistently from 2018 up until today if I need to. I don’t think this is a ”brown” type when growing as I have found some seeds over the years which I grew out a few and they were all green plants, a few of them would dry/cure into brown but most would be green.