FREEDOM for BONZ

[Guest]

I use the home depot drip line, its brown/tan color and its in the sprinkler section. Its from like rainbird, or dig, or something. It comes in 100ft rolls and its like 6" rolls. Its 1/4" tubing. I also use the female pipe thread to 4 way barb peice and split it between two buckets pulling out the plastic screen, cuttings out the screen part and putting it back in to still be used as a washer to prevent leaks. Every month I take the lines off and replace them as preventative measures. I use GH 3 part, floraliscious bloom, and grow, and dyna gro protekt. I will soon be adding Botanicare cal/mag. Another option to that lava rock is 40%coco coir/60% hydroton. Many people use this to avoid having to use the chiller. I would still use a chiller for the resevoir though as it will keep bacteria from growing, keep it at 68-70 degrees. Here is another option for cloning large scale if you go vertical. I think you are talking about coliseums, so here ya go... ofcourseif you meant vertical bulbs then here you go anyways.

 

[Guest]

I've got 175 clones in there almost and they are rooted in 50/50 peatmoss(miraclegrow from home depot)/perlite(Norcal#3). This has been my best success yet, 100%. I used 2 2x4 heat mats, and built the humdity dome with a eurosealer and 6mil clear poly from the paint section at home depot and some 8" risers from the sprinkler section and 3 ways, socket x socket x threaded and pvc pipe to make the framing. The whole thing was built from home depot parts for like 50.00 including the roll of plastic that will last me like 10 of these. I used a 4x4 tray and will add another on top of it, and T8 fluorescents.

 

[Bonzo]

Thanks again for all the info chodo , i appreciate it! I will be going vert when i move, not a coliseum, bedroom size, prolly 4 trees. I have used the floralicious in the past, i am currently using Liquid Karma for my fulvic and humic acids and am also using PRO-TEKT. I just starting with the CAL-MAG PLUS, all added to GH3pt. Good idea to just replace the lines once a month, good preventative measure. I have a couple moms in dirt that i feed FLORA NOVA + Floralicious grow, they seem to like it. I had the F/N left over from when i switched to the 3pt.

Thanks again for all the info and i would love to see some pics of your trees in a couple weeks.

peaceout

bonz

 

[Sleepy]

man,you gots to find the CRUNK!!!

that's me and Lil John!!...NOT!


hehe...if you ever had pomegranates, and like them, this drink is for you!!

 

[Guest]

Oh, yeah I use dyna gro protekt, and also EVERY week 15ml/gallon of Clearex! Very important to keep the plants salt levels in check, as salt will build up very quickly over 2-3 weeks.

 

[Bonzo]

So you flush once a week with 15ml per gallon water? How long do you flush? I flush once a week for 24 hours with plain R/O water.

bonz

 

[Bonzo]

Whats up sleepy
,pomegranates? Does it taste like them? Is it stronger than Monster?

bonz

 

[Bonzo]

Howdy chodo, i have used Flora Kleen in the past but have never been able to obtain the right info for how long you can leave it in the rez, in other words i have flushed for 1/2 hour with it at 1 teaspoon per gallon and then went back to water for the remainder of the flush. Was just talikin' about clearex today withha friend of mine.

bonz

 

[Guest]

Until ppm's are back in check. You want to test your water from the tap, and then try to get your resevoir and system's total ppm back down around that ppm of the tap water. Basically eliminating standing salts in the system, which clearex removes and breaks loose. One more important subject, you wanna use 90's on the tubing coming into the bucket so that your stem doesn't get wet, and you want LOW flow into the buckets. This will help you avoid overwatering which i had a serious problem with but overcame, and also stem rot from the crown staying too moist. You want the crown dry. I don't know if florakleen is the same as clearex, some flushing agents work differently than others. Some are micronutrients that create a macro nutrient deficientcy, mainly Nitrogen to give the weed a better taste. Some remove all kinds of stuff from the water, giving it no nutrients, again creating a deficientcy... some remove and breakup salts, which I think actually remove the nutrients from the plant. I would say use clearex for around 4-6 hours in a recirculation system, but I personally am lazy and leave it in there for 24 hours and change it again the next day.

 

[Dr Watt]

Howdy Johnstreet ... i cant figure out where the periodic drip is though, is that the hoses going along the side of the net pots?

Okay, two plastic boxes each 60 litres, sit one on top of the other - our Hydro Shops have ones that fit.

The top box is one big pot full of any media like RW/Balls/Coir/Perlite etc. If no ready made boxes, you drill multiple holes in the bottom of this big single pot. Add an extra hole to fit some garden hose through.

The bottom chamber holds your water, your water pump, and an aerator stone. You place Water Pump and aerator Stone with tubing attached into this bottom reservoir box. Connect 3' of garden hose to pump outlet. Hang pump power cord and aerator tubing over top lip of this box.

Place top box on bottom box. Feed garden hose through one larger hole in its sieve bottom. Fill top box with Media. Garden hose is poking through media with a 1-2 ft spare. Lay the garden hose on top of media and end seal it. Connect 4mm riser tubing to garden hose and arrange equally over top of media. With normal $50 pump there is no need for drippers at end of riser tubing - just open 4mm - the water flows out easy.

Power on pump and aerator. Pump water in Garden Hose up through reservoir - air space - mesh bottom of top box - media - top of media - out each 4mm riser tubing - top media - thru media - mesh floor - airspace - dripping back into aerated reservoir.

I believe this is the safest and easiest grow box thingy - two boxes, RW, pump, aerator, garden hose, 4mm riser tubing - no leaks. Nevertheless, I use Dutch Leach - periodic pumping onto RW blocks sitting on a Panda Plastic table with water return to reservoir underneath :smile:

 

[Dr Watt]

The photo I printed was just to show a box - - sorry about that. No netpots or anything - just start with two boxes that hold water.... then sieve bottom of one box

 

[Bonzo]

Ok johnstreet, i get it now, dont see why it wouldnt work, theres only one variation that pops into my head and that is how much water is in the bottom "box". In a freedom bucket ,as you probably allready know , theres only 1" to 1" 1/2" water in the bottom bucket, the air stone creates an "NFT" effect not a "DWC" , so in your system would you be thinking NFT or DWC for the bottom container? It would work either way i think, but with that much water being fed through the top it might be better off as more of an NFT, but the you wouldnt have deep enough water to submerge your pump to supply the feed hose so i guess it would have to work on more of a top feed "DWC" theory. Dont see why it wouldnt work and like you said its pretty simple.

Thanks for clearin that up, i allways like to learn and think of new and different systems.

peace

bonz

 

[Dr Watt]

Yeh thanks for your interest. The reservoir is full. Actually, it started from just sitting the Media box ontop of the Res. Add periodic (timer) pumping of nutes. Then aerating the water was included. The bubbling action causes the water to bubble only, because the two containers aren't sealed there is no build up of pressure that forces water up to the medium - like with DWC.

The roots hung down into the reservoir of their own accord. We often cut off these roots because of plenty of media above and thought they'd oversaturate the plant. But as we see in DWC roots thrive fully submerged in water so long as it is fullly aerated ('bubbling').

Hey, I thought NFT meant Nutrient Film Technique - where plant are grown in guttering or PVC pipes with a very thin film of nutrient flowing past. The theory is that a constant supply of nutes, even at minimal 'velocity' and volume, is enough/perfect for growth. 1-2'' etc of bubbled water seems like an Aeroponics to me because the roots survive on being showered with specks of water.

Aeroponics, great technique - yeh I see that's going to be superior to full submersion even with aggressive bubbling

 

[Dr Watt]

http://users.bigpond.net.au/nutriflo/ - top right press GARDEN KITS - press Page Down x6 to RECYCLING HYDROPONIC GARDEN KITS then click Modular Garden Kits. Phew ! There it is - pump via hose up base of top box with gravity return

 

[Bonzo]

Howdy Johnstreet, yeah i suppose it would be more of an "aeroponic" thing.

interesting factoid: when i was a kid about 15 i bought a hydrponic unit from Applied Hydrponics, they are now Hydro Farm if im not mistaken. Anyhow it was basically a "bussboy" tray style ebb & flow unit, 2 trays, each about 6 inches deep bt about by about 15" x 20" inches or so. Onw tray sat on top of the other tray, the top tray held the rocks, the bottom tray was the rez. There were no holes in the upper tray all roots were contained and stayed in the top tray. It had a simple submersable pump and basically the same fill and overflow fittings we use today. Sounds like a crazy, kinda shitty system eh? Well this plant was grown in one of those units:






Can you beleive it? i wouldnt if i hadnt grown it for myself. Just goes to show ya we are dealing with an extremely adaptable plant here that can be grown in a multitude of systems.

Nice chattin with ya johnstreet, i am workin round the clock to get my flower room up and runnin again, i set it up with 4 buckets and used 1/2" poly tubing, it sucked ,had way too many leaks but my main problem was rez temps, they reached 80 degrees and killed what i had gettin ready for flower.

Onward and upward! I have moved the ballasts outside the room, added a much better fresh air intake, biult a plumbig system out of pvc and last but not least a good friend of mine recomended a chiller for my rez, it should be here thursday or friday.

I think ill post some pics a lil later of ny progress and also of the cab, she is doing exactly what she was biult for and doing it pretty darn good aside from a few mistakes by yours truly.

Allrighty then, pics later tonite.

peace out

bonz

 

[mrwags]

Bonz Dude that picture is the shit man. Hell that plants already high and hasn't even been dried yet. Good luck on the new cab.


Mr.Wags

 

[Bonzo]

Howdy Mr Wags, how are ya? You buckets look great man. I will update the cab tomorrow, its doin great.

As i have said my last grow was plagued with problems, it was my first time settin up amd runnin multiple freedom buckets. Well i completely tore it down and started from scratch as there were quite a few things i wanted to change.

Heres what i got goin on now.


One of the major problems was imsufficient freshair intake, so i got rid of the window fan and got a blower, 465 cfm, thats a test run.

plans, something i rarely do but i wanted to get GMs input so i made these so we could discuss possibilties online.



Rough installation of the intake



Heat was a major problem so i moved the ballasts right outside the room



where the ballabsts used to live



this was my last setup, i used 1/2" poly hose to supply the 1/4" feed lines and didnt like how it worked, too many leaks and just an all around pain in the ass. All in all the whol system was kinda rough but i wanted to get a grow goin and done, aell it didnt happen that way, all plants you see in this pic are gone, the 80 degree rez temps made sure of that.







So i decided to go with 1/2" pvc to supply the 1/4" feed lines





Few more pics of the new intake










Pvc dry fitting:














Im going to be using a 1056 gph water pump that can be used "inline" outside the rez, should help keep rez temps down.









Well im exhausted so thats all for now, im waiting for some fitting that go in the holes you see in front of each bucket, there 1/2"threaded to 1/4" barb for the feed lines. I just might get the glue out and finalize the pvc tomorrow. Im prolly gonna get another one of the 465 blowers for exhaust as ive been using 2 4" computer fans.

Well yall have a good day and ill talk to ta later.

peace

bONZ

 

[Sleepy]

wow...the plumbing supply guys must love ya'!!!

Norm Abram ant Tommy Silva all wrapped into one toker!!!



very cool setup, bONZ!!!

 

[Bonzo]

Howdy Sleepy! Thanks dude! Whos Tommy Silva? PVC is fun, except when it comes to gluin' it all together, its kinda scarry ya know? Its so final. I glued it up today and all is well, i got one fitting backwards but i worked it out.

Still havnt tried the Crunk yet allthough i did see it in a store the other day so ill try one soon and see how i like it.

peace

bonz

ps, look what i found in my veg cab today:



chop, chop!!

 

[BigToke]

Sup Bonzo ~ dame would you look at the size of that plant!!! Lol….that is just to much ~ looks like every thing is coming together for ya………..love what ya done to that grow/room looks great…..