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    Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings

    with over 42K visitors to my Hail Hydro thread, which covered a lot of ground for those interested in hydro, I felt it was time to start this new thread to explore some new ideas and to follow up on some recent ideas, all in the name of potentially better, more consistent grows. As with anything new, some failure can be expected, and I've had my share

    While I have had very good success germinating seeds (drop in pure water + a drop or 2 of sea minerals), getting them to the seedling stage has been challenging with new concepts. The newest being water beads, which are probably better suited for clones, but could well serve as the ideal method to bring seedlings along; the biggest problems being over/under watering and how to support the long man stem in the early stages

    Not being a fan of Rapid Rooter Started Cubes (the seed holes are too wide making it hard for root hairs to anchor= death)

    My best success came when using coco + coco net pot cups, but I don't need a whole bag of coco, and it tends to harbor gnat eggs, so I went back to Rapid Rooters, and lost 4/6 seeds.

    My go to hydro store had no alternatives, but another in the area had perhaps the perfect seed starter Planters Pride Pellets, which consist of compressed coco inside 20 individual bags, which expands to ~ a 3" x 1.5" cylinder when soaked in warm water. The seed is than inserted and easily covered with coco; 2/4 new seeds are in them now. Note I surrounded them with water beads (another experiment)

    The next problem is weak main stems and how to support them. I have tried many things (see coco clone plug): enter water beads. I tried WBs for germinating, which might be excellent now that I have the PPPs, but they are excellent for supporting weak young main stems. The key being to use a tall enough jar to surround them and keep them straight (see picture)

    My other issue has been how to keep nutes cool without an expensive chiller (and to keep mosquitoes at bay), plus eliminate air stones. Since I only grow 1- 2 plants per tent, the rezes need to be individual as the plants may be in various stages and so cannot be fed from a single source. In the middle of last grow I started using an igloo cooler, ad switched from air stones to flooming. Flooming required a second pump, but it must be on a timer or it will quickly overheat the nutes, which fried my primary leafs last grow.

    Almost anything can be used on the flooming pump to circulate/aerate the nutes, but I had a couple Hydro Halo drip rings which works well. A deep cycle timer is needed as a 15 minute timer would overheat the nutes. I run it 3/20

    I do need to move the 2 older seedlings into my DIY bubbler, but will stick with 4 air stones as that is where I have had best results

    OK here's a few photos





    Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
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    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

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    #2
    Looking forward to the show continuing. I have followed your hydro and lighting experiments/adventures with interest. Respect.
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      #3
      Put 2 more seeds into the pucks. These 2 barely cracked the husk, so curious to see what being wrapped in coco love will do

      All have been moved under my Amare Tech SE 250.

      The 2 older wispy taller ones are embracing the veg spectrums
      Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

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        #4
        The 2 older seedlings are developing more leafs but still require support to stay up. The small one in the front is the first seed to crack and placed into thee coco pouches.

        Under the humid dome: one of the seeds has popped through, should see cotyledons by days end

        Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

        Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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          #5
          I have been using only the enhanced mono rings surrounding the CoBs in my Amare 250. I think it's too high above the plants: the main stems need more umoles in order to thicken, but instead of repositioning it to be lower...

          I also have 2 BML supplemental light bars in this tent that are on ratchet hangers (easy to lower) so I plugged them in this morning- both of them plus the enhanced rings

          2 /3 new seeds have cotyledons, I fluffed the coco in the 3rd but did not locate that seed WTF?
          Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

          Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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            #6
            Pulling up a chair and following this to the end. Always like to see new things.
            all my pics that i post are taken off the internet.

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              #7
              I am going to play musical chairs with the plants, moving the 2 currently under the led tubes to the tent with the Amare 250 + BML supplemental bars. Just waiting a few days for the young plants main stems to firm up

              This will provide optimal enhanced lighting and more umoles to max bud and trich production
              Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

              Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                #8
                Made up fresh nutes using NPK Grow, which mixes well (only 1 tsp/g!). Will be replacing previous EH nutes in seedling bubbler (very dilute as starter ppms) and growing these out with NPK
                Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                  #9
                  Here's a tip on supercharging your young plants. I have been using Aptus, but not too happy with it/them. Total lack of communication to questions I have asked

                  NPK:

                  Silicon aids in the uptake of water and nutrients, improving the plants resistance to heat and water stress. Some of the silicon can be taken up by the plant in the soil water solution, but much of the silicon becomes embedded in the root cells. With added silicon, the permeability of the roots is substantially increased. As a result, the flow of water into the roots is enhanced, and the drought tolerance of the plant is improved.

                  http://www.npk-university.com/plant_...on_silica.html
                  Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                  Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                    #10
                    Just completed the musical chair plant/tent swap

                    The babies are now near my computer, so I can keep a much closer eye on them


                    Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                    Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                      #11
                      Last seed has popped through, so 100% success using the coco pellets
                      Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                      Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                        #12
                        Congratulations love reading your posts..
                        No New Member Friend Request, No Journal, No Diary, No Offence, Request Denied,

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                          #13
                          Pic update

                          From back to front

                          The 2 in the back are much older and were started in Rapid Rooters. They grew tall with very weak main stalk that required support until today when I was finally able to remove the coco fibers. (no bueno). Most likely it was hard for roothairs to develop along the tap root and anchor since the RR holes are too big, which also caused 2 others to die

                          The other 4 were all started in the coco pellets 100% success (muy bueno). Main stalks are stronger and I suspect will be shorter to the first leaf sets



                          Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                          Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                            #14
                            On a sad note, the cannabis corporate takeover is quietly in full swing :

                            https://vimeo.com/220833862
                            Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                            Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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                              #15
                              I often follow nutrients and supplement advancements: You tube is a great source. I saw this among many NPKs YT videos. Certainly seems logical to me, so today, I started adding yucca to my veg nutrient and foliar spray. Also adding it to my 2 flowering plants, but here seems the more ideal place to see what it brings to the party. I know I should, but won't be doing a side-by-side, but then I'm not trying to sell you something

                              http://www.npk-university.com/plant_...ion_yucca.html
                              Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
                              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=342785

                              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329619

                              Just because you weren't taught something doesn't mean it's not true, and vice versa

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