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    A few things that I've learned about growing in coco with a drip systm DTW

    Ok let me chime in with what I've learned about coco. The majority of my growing life was spent growing with organic soil, I used bio bizz nutes with compost teas and it was great, I grew in 12Ltr pots and watered every 2 days, wet-dry cycles..... Now I was happy growing like that but then I started to grow in coco with drippers on strict orders from my very good friend and grow guru Bush Dr, instantly I was hooked, I seen, explosive growth rates, thick white root mass, and most importantly my yields went up 20-25%, etc.

    Here's what I was seeing...

    4 Weeks Root Growth




    5 Days Growth Comparison Pictures




    Coco is different from soil and it should not be treated like soil, coco is a hydroponic medium (soilless medium), some like to call it 'semi-hydroponic' because it is more forgiving than full hydro. The thing is, you can water coco like you water soil, every day or 2 and you will get soil results but if you water coco a few times per day you will really reap the rewards of hydroponic results in a more stable medium. When dialing the watering schedule it's important to take into consideration the size of pot that your using and the size of your root mass, for example if you pot up some freshly rooted clones into 6.5Ltr pots and start watering them 3x per day you will run into some problems. People like to say that you can't overwater in coco, I agree with them to a certain extent but you can overwater if you give them too much when they don't have a well developed root system, that's why it's important to harden off the roots and let 'em go hunting for nutrients at the beginning, this will help to build the root system. When I pot up a freshly rooted cut I let it have wet-dry cycles for a few days then I slowly up my watering, at the end of week one I'm watering once per day, I aim to be watering 3x per day by the end of week 2. Once the root system is developed it is very very hard to overwater, they will take all you can throw at 'em and ask for more.

    I also think it's important to mention that coco doesn't require the same size of a pot compared to soil, I have grown plants at 9.25oz in a 6.5Ltr pot. Less is more, unless your looking trees, don't go over 6.5Ltrs, there really is no need plus if you have a pot that's too big you could run into overwatering problems and possibly root rot. I like to add hydroton at the base of my pots, this assists in drainage, I also add layer of hydroton at the top of the coco to help slow down evaporation. I'd highly advise you to do them 2 things. Stopping evaporation is very important, the process of evaporation removes water from the coco and leaves behind salts which will cause both PH and toxicity problems, macro and micro nutrients will get locked out with the excess salts in the coco. You want to keep coco WET so all excess salts are constantly being soaked and flushed out of the medium.

    Once you water 3x per day your plants will start to grow super fast, FAT stalks, branching growing like crazy, it really is fun seeing the explosive growth rate. I feed 3 x per day right up until flower stretch is over then I bang up the waterings to 5x per day, just as the buds switch into swelling mode, the plants react great. You see, when you feed a plant you aren't just giving it fresh nutrients, you are also giving fresh oxygen to the roots, the nutrient solution saturates the medium and pushes out the stale O2, as the solution works its way down the medium it draws in fresh oxygen from the top, this is one of the reasons why I think multi feeding works so well with coco. Your giving your plants access to more fresh oxygen.

    Now one of the huge advantages to growing with coco DTW is the fact that you are watering to you get a little run off each time, which goes to a waste tray/rez to be dumped later. That little bit of run off ensures that each and every time you water your plants (3-5x per day) you're also washing away excess salts, salt build up can be a problem in coco and you often have to flush it out to get rid of all the excess salts. Once you get that little bit of waste run-off from each watering you are effectively flushing it out every time you water, this means that you don't have to do a manual flush until the end of flower when you do the 'final flush'. If you don't already use it then I can highly recommend you check out a product from House & Garden called, Drip Clean, I'll not go into the science behind it because all that information is easily accessed on the internet but this product will ensure that excess salts are washed away, Drip Clean attracts salts and other build up, it helps to purge them from your medium, and it also does a great job keeping your drippers clear.

    Another thing that I've noticed about growing in Coco DTW with multi feeds per day is that it's much better to feed 'little but often' just like how a bodybuilder or an athlete breaks their daily caloric intake into 6-8 meals a day to keep their metabolism in peak working order. Well from my experience the same applies to plants grown in coco, instead of watering your plants at a high EC/ppm once every few days, break it up into 3-5 smaller strength feeds each day and watch how your plants react but remember to have a developed root system before you use the multi-feeding. Once I start the multi-feeding I like to keep the EC at 1.3/650ppm (that's including 0.4EC tap water), I let the run-off tell me if the plants require more or less feed. If the waste EC rises by a point or 2 then I know they are getting too much so I adjust my EC accordingly and vice versa.

    OK I've been babbling too much but if your growing in soil and want to experience something new and IMHO better, then give Coco DTW a whirl, everyone that I've helped convert has never looked back infact their gardens are thriving and they are getting the best yields that they have ever experienced. If you would like any advise post here so we all can share information.

    Here's a few more pictures of plants grown in coco with a run to waste drip system...

    KarmaTrain - 8 Weeks Harvest
    Grown in 6.5Ltr pots




    Tent Shot
    54 Days Flower




    Chem D Side Bud
    31 Days Flower




    I'd like to give a big thank you to Bush Dr, he is an excellent grower a has lot of experience, without him I'd most likely still be growing in soil. Thank you Bush Dr!


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    #2
    Excellent post.
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      #3
      and thats how dtw coco is done properly great explanation for people giving this a go

      well explained mate


      should be a sticky


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        #4
        Nice one HGO, words from the wise indeed, probably the best advice anyone thinking of trying coco could get

        Only thing I'd add is that keeping your pH constantly in the right area, 6.1 - 6.2 is better for your plants growth rate than adjusting it around following the instructions on the nutrient bottle as you go from veg to floral growth ..... pH must be correct for coco to function

        As a mod you can make this a sticky, please do so ..... perhaps one in the coco and one in the vertical forum ..... this and vertical growing are the path to success IMHO

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          #5
          good stuff dude...
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            #6
            spot on bro!

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              #7
              This is great info!!!!! The big factor is pot size. If u water 3+ times I think u really need to have 2 to 3 gallon pots for the best results. With 5 gal smart pots I find that every other day is best, with heavy roots once a day.
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                #8
                Great thread mate!! Well detailed explanations of the inner workings.
                Thanks mate..stay well and grow strong!!
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                  #9
                  nice thread < good info , I just started doing coco dtw, but I didnt use any hydroton , just str8 coco, next time I try it out ,..can we see what you are doing for a drip system?, I thinking I'am going to make some hydro halo's, or something ,....nice work
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                      #11
                      Man I spent over 6k setting up a new room and I purchased everything for a pro DTW system, but I'm just so used to hand watering fresh batches of nutes that I can't seem to setup my DTW system. Also I'm closing in on week 3 so they're not as easily moved around.

                      I know the benefits of DTW with multiple feedings, I've seen it first hand and the body builder analogy is spot on. I love my coco and soon enough I know I'll set up my DTW so I can actually go out and have a life, and when that happens I know I probably won't go back to hand watering.

                      BTW you say you feed for X amount of times per day...do you feed at seconds or minutes? I figure around 14-45 secs? I wanted to eventually give them feed 3x per day at 30 secs to 1 min at a time, depending on flow rates.

                      Anyways great read and I know this will help some out there without a clue about coco or dtw.

                      PS....YOU CAN DEFINITELY OVER WATER COCO...Head is off his ass for saying you can't. Like you said if the root structure is massive and i consider massive as much if not more roots then coco, then yes you basically can not over water them, but you really still can. Smaller plants are very susceptible to over watering especially directly after an initial transfer without a structure root system.

                      Just had to throw that in there, because I felt people read what Head said as 100% truth, when they weren't reading between the lines.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hundred Gram Oz View Post
                        Coco is different from soil and it should not be treated like soil, coco is a hydroponic medium, some like to call it 'semi-hydroponic' because it is more forgiving than full hydro. The thing is, you can water coco like you water soil, every day or 2 and you will get soil results but if you water coco a few times per day you will really reap the rewards of hydroponic results in a more stable medium.

                        I also think it's important to mention that coco doesn't require the same size of a pot compared to soil, I have grown plants at 9.25oz in a 6.5Ltr pot. Less is more, unless your looking trees, don't go over 6.5Ltrs, there really is no need plus if you have a pot that's too big you could run into over watering problems and possibly root rot.
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                        Note watering times and pot size reference ^^^^

                        Originally posted by skull and roses View Post
                        This is great info!!!!! The big factor is pot size. If u water 3+ times I think u really need to have 2 to 3 gallon pots for the best results. With 5 gal smart pots I find that every other day is best, with heavy roots once a day.
                        ^^Missed the whole point

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                          #13
                          Here we go.....again...so many truths and 1/2 truths with coco cuz NUTHIN`S written in stone when all medium consistencies vary SOOOO much across the board......and yes Bush Dr......

                          You can most definitely overwater coco as UP brought up with underdeveloped rootzones in smaller plants , and Head and I butted heads about this yrs ago when his thread started , but it all goes back to the consistency and quality control of the medium you purchase and try ta grow with......

                          The pre-bagged fluffy stuff that most folks use has less problems with compaction and holding water , but I`ve seen many many folks kill plants thinkin they hadta keep waterin their coco plants when in actuality they`d bought the bricks/bales , crumbled em up , hydrated the shit out of em , and had pots full of "coffee grounds" mushy shit that wouldnt dry out nor drain properly so O2 could be replenished in said rootzone from multiple feeds and fall over dead from drowning/choking......now.....

                          Got growbro`s that run flood and drain tables with 1 gal pots of aerated porous coco like HGO`s preachin , and pull big plants outta little pots , so yes....multiple feeds per day allows the rootzone to compact and bulk up in smaller containers cuz they don`t haveta dry out to send out "feeder" lateral roots and everything they need`s provided with hydroponic "like" feeds.....but....

                          I ran #5 smartpots fed once a day as an insurance policy from only goin to my setups once a week with dialed environment and had no problems whatsoever fillin the bags with roots and air-pruned to prevent root spinning where all plant energy could be concentrated on foliage and rootmass building till end of stretch , and with a rootball that size the plants had no problem with nutrient uptake , transpiration , and swellage by end of cycle......many ways ta skin a mule.....

                          And just like HGO says coco is a hydroponic or "semi" hydroponic medium , it`s actually a "soiless" medium that has to brought under certain parameters and made aerated and porous before yas can dial the shit and make bitches explode like HGO does.......

                          Gotta know a copy of the rules with coco ......but ......I get this every day from folks at many sites how easy coco is to dial with hydroponic like growth tendencies , and .....

                          I bite my tongue cuz they`re using the expensive pre-bagged/cal/mag charged shit that`s pretty much bulletproof with the knowledge of cation exchange capacity of cal/mag through end of stretch , and then potassium once full fledged bloomage is in force......anyways....

                          Coco DTW rocks with dripclean and HGO`s pics are proof in da puddin.....but...there are no constants with coco folks.....too many variables with quality control from manufacturers even from pallet to pallet......and for the kicker.....

                          I`m pretty sure after much collaboration with many experienced old head growers that the pre-bagged shit has been mostly responsible for rootborn insects by providing heated up warehouse stored environment for the eggs and larvae to hatch , proliferate , and all but be at epidemic proportions in all the med card states.....anyways.....that`s another thread......

                          Sorry fer cloggin yer thread Bro.......I just try ta keep it real...and...

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                            #14
                            I totally agree with everything that hundred gram has said. There not one peice of information that is not correct or needs to be changed. good post bro!! K++


                            However DHF is also 100% correct. its a slippery slope ive been in coco for years... sometimes i seem to "lose" what i was doing and have a bad run... but then its just back to the basics...


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                              Originally posted by Bush Dr View Post
                              Note watering times and pot size reference ^^^^



                              ^^Missed the whole point

                              kinda but hes right if your running 5 gal coco its just way to much medium and you will never need that much. Also your roots will take alot longer to take hold and watering to often to soon is forsure death of the plant due to over watering....


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