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    Raygun's perpetrecircoco multi strain grow show

    Hello Its been a while since I have done anything as far as grow shows but life has been life and the show grows on. Some of you may have seen my Bio-bucket cab grow which is how I used to grow. I have no complaints about the system and loved the performance of it. Only issue is I wanted to get some variety and so that meant more than 4 plants at one time and different harvest times so I'm off to grow in coco, on this wonderful coco grow show.

    The grow specs:
    -400W digi with HPS bulb (basic Phillips bulb from HD)
    -256 Dayton
    -DIY carbon filter
    -DIY muffler
    -DIY air cooled light
    -3x2x6 cab (aprox size)

    Nutes:
    -Floranova/licious/plus, grow & bloom
    -koolbloom powder
    -liquid Karma
    -molasses
    -Hygrozyme
    -well water/RO water .2 ec and 7.8 pH to start

    Media:
    -100% coco (bio bizz I believe, been recycled a few times now) UPDATE- now using botanicare coco bail old coco phased out of rotation and now awaits use in future potted house plants.
    -5x5x5(6?) black square pots (some 6x6x9 white)
    -2gph drip lines
    -400(+/-?)GPH mag drive

    Feed schedule:
    -4 times per lights on for 2 min (this varies currently run times are 4mins, 2min,2min,2min)
    -ec between 1.2 and 1.8
    -pH ? pH pen tip broke UPDATE - got that fixed pH sits 5.8-6.2 I don't mind the fluxuation and neither do the plants so far.
    -auto topper on rez which holds about 5 gal at one time
    -Rez able to hold up to 15 gal currently keeping 5-6 gal.

    I switched a little over a year ago and can not complain. It has its challenges but was an easy change from my bio-bucket system. I am still a couple of CFL's for supplemental blue on the veg side of the cab. I'm wanting to get a 150W CMH to throw in and get rid of the CFL's, we'll see when I can get around to that.
    I will change out the rez completely about once every 2 months. Basically when I changed over from my bio-buckets I kept the same rez and pump configuration. I did put an air stone in the rez however as the pump is not on 24/7 circulating the water. The change every 2 months was about what I would do before as it was always done with the flush of the harvest and between grows. It works for me now and so no need to change it. I think the auto topper helps out tremendously.
    (edit: I have recently been changing every month as the plants are using more water and nutes as i get it dialed in so the add back of twice the water to the main rez is happening quicker. I also removed the air stone and installed a small external fish filter with just a foam filter pad, no carbon at all, to keep the res cleaner/filtered and some what recirculating.)

    I will typically harvest 2-3 plants every 15-25 days and can keep up to 12 plants at a time all depending on flowering time of the plants. Here we are at day 43. This is just one of the gals. The cab is really full and I did not do much training as I wanted to see the growth structure.







    This is my favorite of one of the varieties I have going right now. It's a Sourbubble back cross of my own design. I think I will be harvesting in about 12-14 days

    Safe growing every one!
    ~raygun~
    Last edited by raygun; 04-23-2009, 01:05. Reason: UPDATES
    :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
    Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
    Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
    Sour Bubble Crosses thread
    Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
    400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

    #2
    Sweet. I'll be watching this for sure. I'm helping a friend set up something similar to what you've described in his closet.
    Last edited by tobaaaac; 11-28-2008, 15:02.

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      #3
      Lookin good man, do you have mums for these strains so that you can continue to study their performance or are you just popping seeds every time you load more in? How long do you have them vegging for?

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        #4
        Originally posted by bud_me
        Lookin good man, do you have mums for these strains so that you can continue to study their performance or are you just popping seeds every time you load more in? How long do you have them vegging for?
        I took clones of all the seeds I've poped for moms or future grows untill after I've smoked the product then I'll cull. There are some that I know I'll cull just by the growth pattern unless the smoke is so killer it has to stay. I'm looking for short growth that works great in a cabinet.
        This is the keeper pheno that I am looking for as I continue my project. Untoped, it streched, at the most, 2 times and is super dense and as you can see frosty as a snowman.

        My project got interupted due to a move but I'm back in action.
        While I'm on the hunt I'll pop some new beans every month or so and keep the rotation going. When I find one that I want to repeat I'll throw a few of those clones in and run them.
        In a perfect world I'll veg the seeds anywhere from 4-6 weeks or to about 6-8 in tall, then bend the top over and let it grow a few more inches before I top and use the top for a clone. UPDATE {I now pinch the top of a seed plant after the 4-5th node or it has 2-3 strong nodal branches going. This causes 2-4+ main branches for flowering and I can trim off the sucker branches and smaller/lower nodal branches for clones upon flip to flower. I also will not transplant out of the 16oz party cup untill sex is known to limit waste of coco and time transplanting males that will eventually be culled. If I decide its a keeper male based on intal growth and want to have flowered it will be left in the cup.} This run I was in a hurry so I did not let the sourbubble veg very long nore did I top. Clones will grow to 6-8 inches in veg depending on variety. I have limited height in my cab, about 3 total feet for flowering.

        Right now I have three of my sourbubble back cross fron seed in flower and four of what I'm calling shooting star its mostly comprised of Genius, C-99, and Kali Mist.

        The Sourbubble was out crossed to a Petrol male and back crossed to my original mother (an orignial BOG Bx1). I still have the F1 outcross seeds, some F2's and some Bx1's. Since I lost the mother I can not back cross any further so I will be using what I have to search for what I want. A short dense knock out indica

        Here is what the mother looked like, the purple comes from a long flush and cooler night temps.




        Above and below is what it looks like when you scrog/top/FIM/train her at day 55



        Below is what it could do if you lollipoped her.


        She was very versitile and such a bummer to lose so the hunt is on.

        The Shooting Star I'm trying to keep a short mostly sativa fruity strain that makes my head float. The mother of the seeds was a heavy tangerine smelling and tasting Apollos Mist F2 I made. It had large buds that looked similar to this.



        The fathers were a couple of tropical smelling stout early flowering guys from Wallys Grapefruit x C99.
        I'm selecting the shortest and most fruity smelling females to continue with. Currently I have 2 short phenos and 2 taller phenos in flower for females. One of the taller phenos smells heavily of fruity pebbles/flintstone vitamins. {UPDATE: well since smoking and growing out a healthy selection of these seeds and finding 2 keepers so far I have to revise my statement. In the clone form I have yet to worry about stretch or height issues so far and the 2 that I have kept have been the most tangerine flinstone vitamin smelling gal and a shinner that is covered in trichs and crazy vigor. So I'm still looking for that citrus/orange smell but since height has not been an issue It will be all about yeild and frost. They have all been good but some just significantly outshine the others. So far 1 in ~5 females have been the exceptional plant with a new batch of 4 showing a very heavy yeilder early on compaired to its siblings.} I'm selecting the males to move forwards mainly based on the zig zag growth patter associated with Genius and earliest flowering. {UPDATE: This is completely changed to finding that smell. You can smell it in veg on the females. Oddly on a side note I have had a high % of females to males and wonder if Wally using Female seeds Grapefruit has anything to do with it or if I've just been lucky. 2/3 fem 1/3 male on average}

        I'll try to get picts of the rest of the cab later.
        Last edited by raygun; 04-23-2009, 01:31. Reason: UPDATES
        :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
        Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
        Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
        Sour Bubble Crosses thread
        Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
        400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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          #5
          Your plants look nice and healthy, raygun! I'll be sure to pull up a front row seat to watch this. I'm planning to E&F in square pots like yours and see if I can grow single cola plants in a SOG, just like I'm doing now in plastic soda bottles. How tight are you packing the pots in your cab? I have 30 bottles in five sq ft and can probably fit the same number of square 5.5" pots.
          Regards,
          petemoss

          Petemoss' Modular Bio SCROG
          My Perpetual SOG cabinets

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            #6
            Thanks for stoppin by Pete!
            I only have 7 girls in there right now, with room for only 1 more. I am restricted by my drain table that i am using. Its the bottom of an old large rubbermaid tub that I used to use for my rez. It works great for my flood table but it is about 8"x6" smaller than mygrow space floor.
            Once I make a new drain table I theoretically should be able to fit about 25 5.5" square pots if they went wall to wall. By the math you should be able to get 20 5.5" square pots in your space assuming it is aprox. a 2.5'X2' grow space.
            However I think that the cab woudl get way to crowded and I don't want to deal with those #'s. At most I think that I would cram 12 plants in there with 4 rows of 3 plants and harvest 3 plants every 2 weeks and hopefully getting 1.5 OZ in dry product. Thats what I would have to produce to equil the minimum production I would get from my bio buckets as those would give me at least 6 Oz every harvest (60 days).
            All this is based on running tried and true genetics from clone and right now I am still seed popin.

            I am really excited about this one its so frosty white and dense. I can not wait untill I can smoke it.



            Thanks for stoppin by
            :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
            Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
            Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
            Sour Bubble Crosses thread
            Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
            400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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              #7
              Looks like you know what you're doing for sure. +rep

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                #8
                Meet the family

                Well here are some other picts of the others in my cab.

                First up is a group shot of the shooting star. After doing some family history on the parents of this cross on here I came to this conclusion; its primarily compiled of: a couple of Haze's including Silver Haze, NL#5 and SK#1. Along wiht a couple of others and quite a few generations down the line. These should be special.

                Sorry for the pict. I could not remove the gals for the pict.

                There are 4 of them in there, with 2 of them having very little stretch. Actually just slightly more than my SBBX did. The other 2 were like 3 times. The citrus/tangerine/fruit fragrance came through on 2 of them heavily. The other 2 have a much fainter yet indistinct smell.
                All are already really crystally with some of the fan leaves even getting frosty!

                Up next is one of the other SourBubble backcross (SBBX).




                This one has more branches and grows more like some of the bubblegums I've seen. Its buds are dense yet spongy and it is starting to get a slight sweet smell... At least I thought I smelt a sweetness from her yesterday.
                I think this will be harvested around day 65. Time will tell.


                Here is the 3rd SBBX and another pheno.


                This one is interesting. I have had this pheno before and it was a favorite of ours. The bud forms dense like indica buds but they cluster/grow like sativa buds. I'll try to get some better picts of it. The last time it showed up it smelled like heather/lavender flowers after a slight cure.

                Here is my veg/clone box.


                Its got the next cycle, 5 more SBBX, and clones from what is flowering plus one male from the shooting star.

                I'll leave ya with a full shot of the Sourbubble Pheno day 52 day 3 of the flush. I think I'll let this one go to at least 55-60 days. I would wait longer but I'm in need soon.



                Hope you all enjoy.
                Safe Growing
                ~raygun~
                Last edited by raygun; 12-07-2008, 23:57.
                :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
                Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
                Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
                Sour Bubble Crosses thread
                Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
                400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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                  #9
                  Here is some more of the sourbubble pheno day 52 with a 3 day flush.














                  And this is one of the up an comming seedlings that looks very promissing










                  Thanks for stopping by
                  Safe Growing
                  ~raygun~
                  :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
                  Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
                  Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
                  Sour Bubble Crosses thread
                  Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
                  400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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                    #10
                    Harvest time!

                    Ok so the picts suck as my battery was dying...but you get the point.
                    This is just the center cola. Its dense and heavy for its size. Its also fairly frosty. I probably could have let it go for a few more days but I was in need.
                    I'll get some more picts along the way.






                    Safe Growing everyone
                    :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
                    Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
                    Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
                    Sour Bubble Crosses thread
                    Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
                    400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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                      #11
                      hey man, great pics, looks good.

                      was just wondering, im thinking about making a drip system for some simple coco pots. i was thinking a simple pump to a timer, and a large central hose from the pump, in which i insert nips connected to smaller hoses to each plant.

                      how does your drip thingy work? if you have a pic of it maybe somewhere, ill check in on your thread man. peace

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                        #12
                        wow...mmmmmmmmmmmm

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                        nice pix, raygun!!

                        i love the rainbow of bud in this thread!!
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                          #13
                          Ok so we have some more updates. Things are looking good. I accidentially pollinated all of the shooting star instead of just the bottom buds as planned so while I am excited still about them it will not be a sensi crop so I am not for joy. However some F'2s will be good for the future, I am really liking these plants. One pheno inparticular which I'll talk about later.. on with the show.


                          This is the SBBX sourbubble pheno that I harvested. I left one bud on to ripen further. This is 60 days I belive +1-2 days



                          SBBX bubblegum pheno:
                          This one has that powdery bubblegum smell and the top nug swelled up and got extremly dense.
                          Picts are not that great




                          Here is the SBBX SourD pheno.
                          This is the one I said that had buds dense like indicas but growing like a sativa. I think it's leaning towards the Petrol/SourD side and would be a great SOG plant with large fat dense colas. I do only have a couple of photos but will get more before the chop.



                          Here are some of the Shooting Stars
                          These have such a fruity, over ripe fruit even smell. I wish these could be scratch and sniff for sure.




                          Ok I'll be back with more soon.
                          Safe growing
                          ~raygun~
                          Last edited by raygun; 12-20-2008, 22:47.
                          :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
                          Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
                          Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
                          Sour Bubble Crosses thread
                          Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
                          400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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                            #14
                            So what do you think?

                            Hello again every one

                            I hope every one is ready for Christmas. This winter storm has us snowed in so we are staying cozy with a fire and some good home grown.

                            SBBX sourbubble pheno dry:



                            I figured I'd show a few picts of the cab and its parts in case any one was interested:

                            Electrical, its not tidy but works and has for over 4 years. It allows for lots of flexibility as I have re-arranged my cab many, many times over the years.

                            Digital timer for water pump, heavy duty timer for lights, over-sized power cords and power strip used to bring in electrical and distribute.



                            400w digi (future bright) no issues, rf or otherwise, in over 2 years. Its the blue thing in the pict. This also shows my PC power supply to run the 5 PC fans I have running through out my cab.


                            Here is the DIY inline PC fan i use to cool my light. Its a 6" 100+CFM server pc fan that I cut out of its plastic square and mounted in side of a 6">4" reducer. Then took another 6">4" and put them together like this
                            4"<6"(fan)6">4" It works good for keeping the 400 cool enough.


                            Here is my DIY carbon filter, you can also see the DIY inline fan and part of the DIY silencer


                            DIY silencer and 265 (256?) CFM dayton blower I use to suck air through the carbon filter and push through the silencer and out the top of my cab. Also all of the above are tucked together at the top of the cab. Looking at it from this pict it goes silencer fan then DIY inline and at the back the filter. Its a tight squeeze and I still need to upgrade my dayton to a 6" vortex or similar and use a speed controller.


                            I just like this shot I think its kinda artsy, my DIY cool tube glass broke in my last move and I have yet to replace it so in the mean time I rigged this little contraption up to mainly block the light from my eyes when in the cab and to reflect a little of that vertical shooting light back down. Its just aluminum tape on the underside and white duct tape on top and the screen is the plastic coated mesh screen you can get at any home improvement store.


                            I know a lot of people have wondered how to keep there cab doors shut tight and this is how I do it. A sliding bolt lock at the top and bottom to secure one of the doors.

                            To keep the other door closed and to light proof what I have done is; on that same door that has the bolt locks, when I cut the white laminate board to line the cab with just made the the one for that door about 1.5"-2" wider. So when you shut the doors, you shut sliding bolt lock door you have a lip that the other door can close against.

                            On the other door, the last one you shut, I have installed a simple cabinet lock and when the doors are shut and locked and the light proofing installed correctly it works like a charm. I've had it like this for many years and only thing I have needed to do along the way is adjust the doors and light proofing whenever I moved the cab to a different location.


                            Here is my drip system, super simple just a black poly tube with "T" barbs punctured in so they form an "L" and then the drippers. I have more than I need so if a plant seems that it needs more water I just add a dripper to it.
                            I can now adjust the watering not only with the timer settings but also with # of drippers/plant


                            I'll leave ya with a couple shots of the cab. On the far right is the remaining 2 SBBX's, in the middle are the 4 Shooting Stars and the one on the far left is the one bud I left on the other SBBX I already harvested shown dry above.



                            Safe growing
                            ~raygun~ "wave:
                            :canabis:"gota have my weedies":canabis:
                            Perpetrecircoco grow show :lurk:
                            Apollos Mist revisited:abduct:
                            Sour Bubble Crosses thread
                            Serious talk about legalization:listen2:
                            400watt Bio-Bucket Cab Feat. Apollos Mist :rasta:

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                              #15
                              Hey ray. i was wondering if i could see a full cab shot.

                              and were do you keep you res for your drip system.

                              Beautiful SourB its my favorite plant right now. just wish i keep males to back it up.

                              k+
                              When I Grow Up I Wanna Be A Pollen Chuckin Closet Hack.

                              Its M.U.R.D.A. : Midwest Underground Reefer Development Alliance

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