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    #16
    Originally posted by green404 View Post
    Nice set up. I had a Santa Cruz Blue Dream in RDWC a while back. It went crazy.. it straight up loved hydro. I ran it about 600-900ppm, it stopped eating at about 7weeks, so I flushed for 2 days and after it came back hungry as a beast.

    It totally bullied the other plants in the tent and pushed into their space. I got more then 3/4lb from the one plant sharing space and a 600watt light.

    5-gal bucket worked fine but the roots were restricted it could of used a bigger container. 10 gal tote and it's own light it would of cleared a 1lb of flower easy.
    Thanks so much for those comments/advice green404. That is funny because mine is doing the same thing...big bully. I have had to trim back several branches to make more room for her. Normally I do not prefer big girls but in this case.....
    She makes the other 3 look sad by comparison. Will be interesting to see the difference between the soiless and hydro BD plants at the end. Right now....not even close. Hydro for the win!!! If I recall I pulled 11oz from the GG4 first run DWC. Would have been much better if I knew what I was doing and would have scrogged it. Your right, roots fill out the 5 gallon pretty quickly.
    You all have a great day. Is hitting 100 plus here today so I am headed to the river with the hounds to chill, dab and swim.
    Big up for bikinis
    peace, negative
    Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
    Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
    Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
    Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
    Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
    Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
    Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
    Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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      #17
      If you will indulge me I am going to talk more of growing theory/style. You kind of have to...it is my thread...just kidding.
      Cleanliness. Go overboard. It is vital. Have a good supply of items you will need to clean properly. Keep those items sterile as well. Have a schedule and keep to it.
      IPM. Just do it!! If you do not you will be unhappy at some point. I mean the big boys do it for a reason. Plenty of weapons at your disposal that are safe. No reason you cannot employ the tech they use on your small scale grow. I do.
      Security. Cameras systems are cheap and excellent. Since putting up a 8 cam system on my property I would never go back to not having it. Never. Always on the big screen in the living room. Can access them via the net on any device. When I sit at my computer I have window open on third monitor so I can watch all the time. Priceless. Night vision equipped as well.
      Have a great day ya all. Little parting shot for you.

      peace, negative.
      Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
      Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
      Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
      Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
      Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
      Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
      Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
      Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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        #18
        Originally posted by negative37dBA View Post
        IPM. Just do it!! If you do not you will be unhappy at some point. I mean the big boys do it for a reason. Plenty of weapons at your disposal that are safe. No reason you cannot employ the tech they use on your small scale grow. I do.
        The cannabis industry is slowly awakening to the fact cannabis is rather different than most of the plants IPM routines were developed for. Cannabis accumulates and preserves molecules and elements rather well. Just ask those who treated in veg with various products, and were still hit with positives at harvest time.


        That, and it produces the gross and unhealthy product you find in dispensaries. Why would you want to emulate the poor quality the big boys are creating??


        Deficiencies in flower at less than 900ppm are usually due to an incomplete or un-natural pH swing. 5.4 is your starting pH, and it slowly climbs from there to the 6.0 range. Add your nutes back to the starting concentration and your pH is back at 5.4. R/O water only, with pure top offs every day before checking your pH/ppm.


        It can be difficult to use additives without interrupting the natural pH swing the plants create for themselves.
        Tending Your Reservoir for a Full pH Swing and Cleaner Cannabis (A Healthier Approach to Hydroponic Cannabis)
        DIY STS Mixing/Using Guide for Feminized Pollen/Seeds
        DIY Super Inexpensive HEPA Filtration
        6-Second Pain Relief for Arthritic and Joint Pain
        8-Minute CBD Test
        Cool and Dry Flowering Discussion Thread

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          #19
          Originally posted by Douglas.Curtis View Post
          The cannabis industry is slowly awakening to the fact cannabis is rather different than most of the plants IPM routines were developed for. Cannabis accumulates and preserves molecules and elements rather well. Just ask those who treated in veg with various products, and were still hit with positives at harvest time.


          That, and it produces the gross and unhealthy product you find in dispensaries. Why would you want to emulate the poor quality the big boys are creating??


          Deficiencies in flower at less than 900ppm are usually due to an incomplete or un-natural pH swing. 5.4 is your starting pH, and it slowly climbs from there to the 6.0 range. Add your nutes back to the starting concentration and your pH is back at 5.4. R/O water only, with pure top offs every day before checking your pH/ppm.


          It can be difficult to use additives without interrupting the natural pH swing the plants create for themselves.
          Thanks for the thoughts/ideas Douglas.Curtis I am aware of the way cannabis holds items and passes them to clones. I was under the impression that the items I use do not do that. I may be wrong and hope to learn something here if I am.
          In a earlier post I had listed some of the items I have used. I thought that neems and oils and soaps were ok to use and would not transfer on to clones. I do not want to produce what I have seen come from some big growers.
          I generally agree with your statement of how the industry just produces garbage. Yes, I have seen some crap that makes me VERY happy I grow my own. I have also seen a select few do it right though. It amazes me what money does to peoples morals
          I appreciate the inputs and I do not mean to anger anyone with my thoughts, just start a healthy exchange of ideas that lead us as growers forward.

          Ok, I get what your are saying about the pH and the nutes and R/O water. That makes sense. Thanks for that. I do use only R/O water as my well is way to high PPM to start with.
          This is great, learning things and growing and having fun. Thanks all for contributing to the thread.
          I am starting my day right, not sure how much I will get done though...

          Lost Cookies cake batter on a Mad Misty shatter platter...lmao

          peace, negative.
          Last edited by negative37dBA; 07-17-2018, 23:11.
          Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
          Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
          Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
          Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
          Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
          Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
          Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
          Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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            #20
            Your posts are clear and concise, while my thoughts still get interpolated by my autism. lol That and my diplomacy still needs more work.


            Most of the oils are perfectly fine in veg, you're correct. The currently debatable topic is how much of a contribution azadirachtin has with CHS and other issues. The azadirachtin in un-clarified neem oil, neem seed meal and aza extracts seems to be readily absorbed by cannabis. The downside is the natural light/oxygen/exposure breakdown aza goes through doesn't seem to happen as quickly 'inside' the plant. Plants treated weeks before flower can still have enough aza at harvest to cause issues. Tainted cannabis which triggers CHS has been shown to become much less toxic when exposed to flourescent/sunlight for 12-24hrs.


            Anyone who keeps their flowers pristine is ok in my book. Use clarified neem oil (azadirachtin removed) and I doubt I'd have any issues with your flowers.
            Tending Your Reservoir for a Full pH Swing and Cleaner Cannabis (A Healthier Approach to Hydroponic Cannabis)
            DIY STS Mixing/Using Guide for Feminized Pollen/Seeds
            DIY Super Inexpensive HEPA Filtration
            6-Second Pain Relief for Arthritic and Joint Pain
            8-Minute CBD Test
            Cool and Dry Flowering Discussion Thread

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              #21
              Thanks for that.
              Doing research right now on clarified neem oils. I used azamax 3 times during veg, the last application being 6-19-18. Do the clarified neems work similarly well? I do not use any sprays in flower. Oh good news...seems the neem I had been spraying weekly as a preventative is clarified...woot. Had just switched to Azamax to change things up recently.
              Main ingredient "Clarified hydrophobic extract of neem".
              Ok thats good I think. So no more Aza but I can continue to use the oils and such in veg within reason. I like the lemongrass oil. Great smell as well.
              Thanks again Douglas.Curtis Have a great day.
              peace negative.
              Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
              Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
              Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
              Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
              Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
              Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
              Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
              Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                #22
                Nice grow! Sure filled that space out in a quickness. Plants looks great as do your smokeables! I'm guessing that BD is going to yield like a champ!

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                  #23
                  That's definitely good news. Not sure about the Azamax application for you, I know I'd have serious issues if it was 3ml/gallon or more. Hopefully you don't have any problems with it.


                  Any old injuries that act up from time to time? Watch those jacking up in pain levels within a few minutes to a week of using these flowers. Eating basically the same diet regularly and know your digestion system? Watch for burbling, slow down and pain when you're sure you haven't changed anything. Again, it'll happen within minutes to a week or so, depending on what's left. Feeling like you have the flu, with mild body pain all over, these are signs you're ingesting azadirachtin and have a sensitivity to it.


                  I'll be interested in hearing your reactions to it, so please be sure to watch for it and let us know. Everyone is different.
                  Tending Your Reservoir for a Full pH Swing and Cleaner Cannabis (A Healthier Approach to Hydroponic Cannabis)
                  DIY STS Mixing/Using Guide for Feminized Pollen/Seeds
                  DIY Super Inexpensive HEPA Filtration
                  6-Second Pain Relief for Arthritic and Joint Pain
                  8-Minute CBD Test
                  Cool and Dry Flowering Discussion Thread

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Lester Beans View Post
                    Nice grow! Sure filled that space out in a quickness. Plants looks great as do your smokeables! I'm guessing that BD is going to yield like a champ!
                    Thanks so much for the kind words Lester Beans
                    The space did fill up nicely...too nicely if you know what I mean. They are looking pretty good. I like to show all the work, not just the best stuff and pretend like I never have issues.
                    The smokeables are outta sight man. Concentrate world has never been better for me than right now.... the variety and control you have are amazing.
                    The BD will yield very well. A bit restricted because of the other 3 but she still will put on good weight.

                    So I took on a challenge to save a dying bd clone in soiless.

                    Pulling it out of the medium.

                    Carefully remove medium from roots.
                    Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                    Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                    Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                    Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                    Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                    Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                    Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                    Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                      #25
                      Then replant in a 5 gallon dwc bucket.

                      Couple weeks later..ok.

                      But under here we have some good news!! Roots popping all around.

                      Think it is going to make it. Nice. That was fun.
                      peace, negative.
                      Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                      Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                      Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                      Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                      Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                      Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                      Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                      Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                        #26
                        Neems and Azadirachtin stuff.

                        Originally posted by Douglas.Curtis View Post
                        That's definitely good news. Not sure about the Azamax application for you, I know I'd have serious issues if it was 3ml/gallon or more. Hopefully you don't have any problems with it.


                        Any old injuries that act up from time to time? Watch those jacking up in pain levels within a few minutes to a week of using these flowers. Eating basically the same diet regularly and know your digestion system? Watch for burbling, slow down and pain when you're sure you haven't changed anything. Again, it'll happen within minutes to a week or so, depending on what's left. Feeling like you have the flu, with mild body pain all over, these are signs you're ingesting azadirachtin and have a sensitivity to it.


                        I'll be interested in hearing your reactions to it, so please be sure to watch for it and let us know. Everyone is different.
                        Ok good to hear. Did you mean 3ml per gallon or quart? The low dose on the label says 2ml per quart. Just asking because I may be high then. I never use something full strength to start, good way to mess things up quick.
                        It will be a good while before I have any to try but I will remember the symptoms stuff.
                        Really appreciate this passing of knowledge. I have already learned a few valuable things from this thread and you.
                        Just got back from the river with my hounds...100 here today and it was sweet. Went with a buddy who had some Nine Pound Hammer to sample, pretty good stuff. Not as hard as I expected but I am pretty seasoned.
                        The chick in the red thong did not hurt the view of the river either, just saying.
                        peace, negative.
                        Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                        Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                        Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                        Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                        Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                        Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                        Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                        Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                          #27
                          3ml per gallon. Definitely interested in your response to it at 3ml/quart.


                          LOL Scenery is great in the summer.
                          Tending Your Reservoir for a Full pH Swing and Cleaner Cannabis (A Healthier Approach to Hydroponic Cannabis)
                          DIY STS Mixing/Using Guide for Feminized Pollen/Seeds
                          DIY Super Inexpensive HEPA Filtration
                          6-Second Pain Relief for Arthritic and Joint Pain
                          8-Minute CBD Test
                          Cool and Dry Flowering Discussion Thread

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Douglas.Curtis View Post
                            3ml per gallon. Definitely interested in your response to it at 3ml/quart.


                            LOL Scenery is great in the summer.
                            Well that is not exactly what I wanted to hear but OK. Will lab tests for pesticides and residuals show this? I have no problem testing the flowers to see about whats leftover. So 3 doses at 2ml/quart is what they received.....hmmm. Well we will see where this goes. I guess some testing will be part of the final reports on this. Maybe we will get some good or additional information.
                            This is the great thing about this community. The information/idea exchanges. It people interacting that makes the world go round.

                            About the scenery....yeah. The river around here is a magnet for the hotties. Super active outdoors place where I live. Can you say in shape ladies??
                            Thanks again Douglas.Curtis.
                            peace, negative.
                            Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                            Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                            Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                            Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                            Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                            Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                            Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                            Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                              #29
                              Labs should be able to find levels I can physically detect, but I have no personal experience with lab testing yet.


                              Kudos on the re-plant to hydro, good job.
                              Tending Your Reservoir for a Full pH Swing and Cleaner Cannabis (A Healthier Approach to Hydroponic Cannabis)
                              DIY STS Mixing/Using Guide for Feminized Pollen/Seeds
                              DIY Super Inexpensive HEPA Filtration
                              6-Second Pain Relief for Arthritic and Joint Pain
                              8-Minute CBD Test
                              Cool and Dry Flowering Discussion Thread

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Douglas.Curtis View Post
                                Labs should be able to find levels I can physically detect, but I have no personal experience with lab testing yet.


                                Kudos on the re-plant to hydro, good job.
                                Ok. I have access to lab testing so that will be a interesting thing to find out. Thanks for the compliments on the hydro re-plant. Have not tried that yet but I figured it would work. Was reading about "osmotic stress" and was a bit worried that it might have some trouble. Things look good though and I think she will pull through.
                                Definition: "Osmotic shock or osmotic stress is a sudden change in the solute concentration around a cell, causing a rapid change in the movement of water across its cell membrane. Under conditions of high concentrations of either salts, substrates or any solute in the supernatant water is drawn out of the cells through osmosis."
                                Have a great day!
                                peace, negative
                                Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                                Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                                Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                                Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                                Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                                Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                                Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                                Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                                https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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