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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
    looks like the cubs did it and the curse has been broken
    that is cool that a guy who is into mountain biking started an indoor facility to ride during the winter
    they also have these things called fat bikes, bicycles wiht extra large tires that are really popular wiht people who live in snowy areas

    in the last shot you posted, the leaves are def not praying, at least not to any god i want to be a part of
    im tihnking based on how fast they are drying out their pots that they are ready to move into bigger digs
    this will also give them a lot more room to find food in their new environment and that can help if they are also looking for nutrients
    how old are the plants again?
    these are their original containers?

    i still dont think feeding is the issue
    with good fresh soil, you should not really have to feed a plant that size
    are you using the ro water this last watering or still using the well water?
    Good morning pop_rocks.
    That was the best World Series game 7 I've ever seen. The cubs players defenatly deserve to be champions and so would Cleveland if it had gone that way. I'm not a fan of cubs fans but the players played their asses off and never gave up. Super exciting game and incredible series. Very classy on both sides.

    I've seen the fat tire bikes around for a couple years now but haven't gotten to ride one. There are a few ski hills around that rent them in the winter I think. Ski hills are a joke here and have very little vertical but they are big enough to make some decent snowboard parks on. After growing up skiing and snowboarding around here growing up when I finally started traveling to the real mountains out west it was a whole new experience. Going to look into the fat tire bikes for sure.

    The girls are looking better today than in the past few and I think they are ready for new pots. They should be dry tomorrow and as long as they still look good I'll put them in 10" pots with ocean forest. More about them in an update today.

    The girls are about 4 weeks from breaking ground. They are in the 6" pots that they started in. I was going to go straight to 14" pots just before flower but I think that plan was not good. I now plan on 6" to 10" to 14" just before flower.

    I'm really starting to think a lot of the issues I. Having the last week are related to the fungus gnats. I haven't found larva yet but will take some soil out and get it under the scope when I pot up. It just seems to make sense though. I wasn't having any problems until a week ago then leaf spots and other symptoms that are consistent with root damage.

    Still using the bottled water but I'm hoping the water wasn't the issue and as soon as I got rid of the bugs I'm going to try the spring water again and see if it is part or all of the issue.

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  • pop_rocks
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    looks like the cubs did it and the curse has been broken
    that is cool that a guy who is into mountain biking started an indoor facility to ride during the winter
    they also have these things called fat bikes, bicycles wiht extra large tires that are really popular wiht people who live in snowy areas

    in the last shot you posted, the leaves are def not praying, at least not to any god i want to be a part of
    im tihnking based on how fast they are drying out their pots that they are ready to move into bigger digs
    this will also give them a lot more room to find food in their new environment and that can help if they are also looking for nutrients
    how old are the plants again?
    these are their original containers?

    i still dont think feeding is the issue
    with good fresh soil, you should not really have to feed a plant that size
    are you using the ro water this last watering or still using the well water?

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  • Fiddynut
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    Today's update

    The pots were dry this morning and it was time for water and the girls first feeding. I mixed 1/2 gallons water with 3.5 ml of fox farms grow big and 2 ml GO cal/mag and about 1 ml pH up to get the pH to 6.8. I like to water in stages so I gave each one a cup of water three separate times for a total of 3 cups each. The girls were slightly droopy before feeding but looking better than they had been for a few days. The leave spots are still getting a little worse and all 3 girls now have some spots on the older fan leaves.

    It look like my old friends the fungus gnats are back. I found one on a sticky card that I put out next to the plants. So far I only found the one and haven't seen any flyers around. I am prepared this time and just before watering I put 1/16th teaspoon of crushed mosquito dunks sprinkled on my soil. I watered in the dunks and that should kill any larva that is in my soil.
    Here is a pic of the little flying fucker.


    All in all things look to have improved slightly in the last week as far as plant health is concerned. I'm hoping a couple feedings will help get my girls healthy again. As soon as they look good I'll be transplanting them and will keep retreating the soil with mosquito dunks to prevent any further gnats.
    Here are a couple group shots of the girls.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
    I always took the "praying" thing as a good thing. To me, it seems as though they display this behavior after a fresh drink and they're just really feeling good. They have a boost of confidence and they're just livin it up! Soaking in all your lights have to offer.

    Just what I've noticed.

    Tri_Cho_Me
    Good afternoon Tri_Cho_Me.
    I've herd that praying is a sign of happy plants too. If that is the case maybe these girls are in better shape than I thought. I am looking forward to seeing how they respond to a feeding since this is their first. Thanks for the input and I'll be checking out your update soon.

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  • Tri_Cho_Me
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    I always took the "praying" thing as a good thing. To me, it seems as though they display this behavior after a fresh drink and they're just really feeling good. They have a boost of confidence and they're just livin it up! Soaking in all your lights have to offer.

    Just what I've noticed.

    Tri_Cho_Me

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by tleaf jr. View Post
    long as their praying to the light that means theyr recovering. 7 is slightly hi but they seem to be responding decently. make sure you let the soil dry out and give them a good amount of nutes. do not transplant right now, not until they have recovered well...looking good tho don't get discouraged.
    Good morning tleaf.
    The pots were nice and dry this morning so I gave the plants their first feeding. I gave fox farms grow big N-P-K of 6-4-4 at 1/2 of recommended strength plus a little cal/mag since I'm now using bottled RO water. I didn't want to go above 1/2 strength on nutes since they are not use to them. I'll put up an update on this mornings watering and feed with other discoveries next.

    I had herd the term "praying" before but didn't know what it meant so I looked it up. I found some differing opinions as to what causes it. Some say too dry an environment or salt buildup on roots causing the plant to want to get rid of water. Others say too much light and the leaves are trying to shade themselves. I raised the light a couple inches.

    I'll cover this more in an update but I found a fungus gnat this morning in my sticky card trap. I had them last grow but didn't know what they were for sure. I didn't find any larva but will have a closer look. I took steps to prevent gnats and hope this doesn't become too big a problem.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
    evening fiddy
    just got back from a ride and we had to use the lights from the jump
    with the time change coming up that just the way its goign to be for a while
    i actually like riding at night more than in the day but it takes a little getting used to
    plus i was having some trouble with my gear so i will be taking apart a light later tonight and checking its connections
    the air was crisp and cool tho and it def feels like winter is coming

    yes, i use the ocean forest
    i like to loosen it up with a little coco but the perlite will also workhow
    i dont think it would be too hot for your girls, seedlings maybe but you prob wont see too much stress during transplant
    how many times are you going to transplant them before their final container?
    if you are worried, you could def mix the happy frog and ocean forest together in equal proportions just to ease them into their new medium but i would run straight ocean forest in the final container

    let me know how things go and how the roots look
    that indoor mountain bike park sounds rad!
    even just riding around is fun but the challenge of trails and features is where mountain biking is at

    looks like the cubs are going to take the series to seven!
    Good evening pop_rocks.
    I've never mountain biked in the dark. I bet that makes it just that much more exciting. I haven't seen how bright the newer bike lights are but I bet they kick ass. It's been at least 15 years since I had a light for my bike and if they have come as far as flashlights since then I can only guess they are blinding. Even with that I'm sure it takes getting use to. I hope you got that fixed. Loosing your light way out on a trail would make for a long ride back. Defiantly agree that nice cool air is the best for biking. It would have to get pretty cold to even just keep me from sweeting it up on rides. Weather has been unseasonably nice this week except today but that will change soon. Winter is coming like it or not.

    The indoor bike place is pretty cool. It's a huge warehouse that has a really cool terrain park and lots of jumps and rhythm sections. It even has a backflip ramp into a foam pit. It was started buy a guy that got sick of not riding during the winter. It's a great idea and I'm lucky to have that as an option.

    Your right the cubs won't go away. I thought after game 2 that this was going to be a full 7 games because they seemed really well matched. Cleveland looked great at wrigley but I had a feeling that the cubs would get that win in game 5. Should be a nice game tonight.

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  • tleaf jr.
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    long as their praying to the light that means theyr recovering. 7 is slightly hi but they seem to be responding decently. make sure you let the soil dry out and give them a good amount of nutes. do not transplant right now, not until they have recovered well...looking good tho don't get discouraged.

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  • pop_rocks
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    evening fiddy
    just got back from a ride and we had to use the lights from the jump
    with the time change coming up that just the way its goign to be for a while
    i actually like riding at night more than in the day but it takes a little getting used to
    plus i was having some trouble with my gear so i will be taking apart a light later tonight and checking its connections
    the air was crisp and cool tho and it def feels like winter is coming

    yes, i use the ocean forest
    i like to loosen it up with a little coco but the perlite will also workhow
    i dont think it would be too hot for your girls, seedlings maybe but you prob wont see too much stress during transplant
    how many times are you going to transplant them before their final container?
    if you are worried, you could def mix the happy frog and ocean forest together in equal proportions just to ease them into their new medium but i would run straight ocean forest in the final container

    let me know how things go and how the roots look
    that indoor mountain bike park sounds rad!
    even just riding around is fun but the challenge of trails and features is where mountain biking is at

    looks like the cubs are going to take the series to seven!

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  • Fiddynut
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    Quick update

    Another quick update today. I've been doing updates almost daily since my plants have been up and down. The girls are looking a little less droopy today after watering last night.

    I watered with pH 7 or just above last night and checked runoff. The runoff was low again. My pH strips only show down to 6.2 and no color change tells me that the runoff was below 6.2. I had flushed with neutral bottled water on Saturday. My test strips also show hardness do water and the hardness was off the chart. The high end of the scale for hardness on these strips was 150ppm and like I said the color was off the chart so I know that there is a lot do stuff in the runoff. I tested the water I was using to water with and it was very low ppm.

    My plan is to pot up to 10" pots in a couple days. The soil they are in is not giving them what they want right now. I'm not sure what I did to the soil to course this. I was using water with a high pH and was using a very small amount of earth juice grow to lower pH. I am pretty sure I had a pH pen accuarcy issues also. I am now using bottled drinking water and having to use pH up to get the pH to neutral. Whatever has happened I think they will be much happier in some fresh soil. I really want to get back to having happy good looking plants.

    As of today I think the plants are getting a little better or not worse anyway. I think in hindsight that me topping them when they were already a little stressed has Ben tough on them. The improper pH'ing of my water haven't helped either. I hope I am on the right track now. Only time will tell.

    Here they are this morning.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
    i would get them into their new homes when you can
    it seems that they are looking for something they just cant find and allowing the roots to expand could not hurt
    also this will give you a chance to see how the roots look under the ground
    i have repoted plants that i expected to be done dry, only to see that there was a lot or damp soil down below
    and the opposite as well

    when you transplant, give a guess to how moist the soil will be, i like to let it dry out a bit before moving them
    the root ball holds together better when its a little dry and the whole thing just sort of pops out of the previous container better

    that is rad that you live close to the trek factory!
    it sounds like a fun place
    Good morning pop_rocks.
    I'm with you on wanting to get them into some new soil. I have the same feeling as you that they are not getting what they need from the soil they are in right now. I will for sure be transplanting them as soon as they dry out a bit.
    I am thinking about picking up a bag of ocean forest to use for transplant. That's what you use isn't it? It has more nutes than happy frog and they look hungry. The cotyledons are starting to yellow. Do you think the hotter soil will piss them off? I don't want to stress them anymore than I have so far. I suppose I could mix happy frog and ocean forest together as some people do. Let me know your thoughts on this.

    I'm looking forward to seeing the roots as well. I'm hoping for a rootball full of nice white thick roots. If I find it too moist on the bottom should I add extra perlite to the new soil for better drainage? If I do blend soils I was thinking about adding a little drainage anyway as I'm told it can't hurt. My pots have been getting nice and light between waterings but it will be interesting to see how dry the bottom is getting. Just like you I've found that they just pop out of the container when dry and the soil even pulls away from the sides.

    I took a ride on the mountain bike yesterday, just around the neighborhood but it was a start. The nice weather is back around here and I'd like to take advantage of it. When it does get shitty I want to check out the indoor mountain biking place here. I'm sure it's not as good as riding the trails but it has to be better than riding a stationary bike.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
    Lookin' good bro!

    Tri_Cho_Me
    Thanks for the vote of confidence but I wish they were looking better. I'm having more problems on the second grow so far.
    Your girls are looking great.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by tleaf jr. View Post
    Their fine..let em dry then water w nutes their gtn hungry remember nute solu should be 6.5 -6.8
    Good morning tleaf.
    I think you are right that these girls are getting hungry. I've noticed the cotyledons getting yellow and I've read that is when you should start to feed. I wasn't sure if it was the stress that causing that or what. I'll get them in some fresh soil and give some light nutes in the next couple days.
    I'm glad you think they are fine, as a new grower I worry too much. I want to get these lady's back to looking pretty and growing like crazy.

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  • pop_rocks
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    i would get them into their new homes when you can
    it seems that they are looking for something they just cant find and allowing the roots to expand could not hurt
    also this will give you a chance to see how the roots look under the ground
    i have repoted plants that i expected to be done dry, only to see that there was a lot or damp soil down below
    and the opposite as well

    when you transplant, give a guess to how moist the soil will be, i like to let it dry out a bit before moving them
    the root ball holds together better when its a little dry and the whole thing just sort of pops out of the previous container better

    that is rad that you live close to the trek factory!
    it sounds like a fun place

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  • Tri_Cho_Me
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    Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
    Just a quick update this morning the 2 droopy girls are looking a little more perky today. With the soil drying the roots are starting to get some air for the first time in a few days. The leave spots are slightly worse than a couple days ago but hopefully the imbalance is corrected and they are getting happy. I'm going to check runoff pH with the test strips when I water next and see whare it's at.

    I want to transplant them to some fresh soil and give them some room to stretch their roots a bit but I'd like to see them perk up a bit first. They have been a bit stressed the last few days and I'd like them to recover a bit.

    The only newer growth affected by the discoloration is on the #2 plant which was the first to show symptoms a few days ago. The leaf is straingly shaped and has a different discoloration than the fan leaves that show some spoting. Here is a pic of that leaf.
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    I also found a couple spots on the oldest fan leaves of plant 3 which haven't showen signs of spots and also has not been as droopy as the 1&2. Plant 3 did not dry out like 1&2 did which is when the droopyness started. It is also probably a little too small to transplant at this time.

    I think the only thing I can do now is give them a little water when they want it and see how they recover. Here is a group shot from this morning.
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    Lookin' good bro!

    Tri_Cho_Me

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