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    Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
    Hey Fiddy
    How did the cuts come out you seeing new growth?
    Good afternoon Rodehazrd.
    Cuts still look more or less the same as 2 weeks ago. I put them in tiny pots with a little soil a few days ago. I didn't see any roots coming out of the rooter plugs. The dome was off for a while when it potted them and they wilted a little but are still nice and green. I was going to give them a few more days and them pull the dome off during lights off for a couple hours and see how they look. Even if they don't take this has been an adventure.
    Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
    Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
    Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
    Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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      Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
      Good afternoon Jedi.
      Thanks for stoping by my grow. I'm trying to do these girls justice and keep them happy. On my first grow I just let them go natural but I'm topping this time and have a much better canopy and more nice tops. I'm with you on embracing problems that are learning opportunities. I've had fungus gnats and know how to deal with them now. My worst case would be if I had a problem that I couldn't figure out and didn't learn how to correct it.

      Thanks for stoping by and I hope you and your beautiful plants are well...Fiddy
      Thats a good attitude to have and you will learn lots because you want to. I hear you on that as in not being able to identify a problem, solve it and learn. A good few years back I kept getting problem around 3/4 weeks bloom with the plants showing signs of nute Def and no matter what I did I couldn't solve it. I was racking my brain as never experienced it before and it happened every grow for about a year and always around the same time. It turned out to be Cal/mag and since using it I've never suffered it again. I'm convinced they used to put more in the base nutrients as I never suffered it before then.
      Yeah topping is the way to get that nice canopy and there's many different techniques. Fimming, LST, mainlining, super cropping etc
      What I find is that every plant and type responds differently to different stimulus, you really need to get to know how your plants respond and what they respond well too. I've super cropped plants before and theyve actually done worse than if I'd left, then others that really respond. I think one of the best ways is LST using cable ties as you can tighten the ties if needed to bring things level. I suppose only downside to all this is that it does increase the veg time. I personally think SOG is the most efficient method with the right strain.

      Peace

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        Originally posted by jedi5891 View Post
        Thats a good attitude to have and you will learn lots because you want to. I hear you on that as in not being able to identify a problem, solve it and learn. A good few years back I kept getting problem around 3/4 weeks bloom with the plants showing signs of nute Def and no matter what I did I couldn't solve it. I was racking my brain as never experienced it before and it happened every grow for about a year and always around the same time. It turned out to be Cal/mag and since using it I've never suffered it again. I'm convinced they used to put more in the base nutrients as I never suffered it before then.
        Yeah topping is the way to get that nice canopy and there's many different techniques. Fimming, LST, mainlining, super cropping etc
        What I find is that every plant and type responds differently to different stimulus, you really need to get to know how your plants respond and what they respond well too. I've super cropped plants before and theyve actually done worse than if I'd left, then others that really respond. I think one of the best ways is LST using cable ties as you can tighten the ties if needed to bring things level. I suppose only downside to all this is that it does increase the veg time. I personally think SOG is the most efficient method with the right strain.

        Peace
        Thanks Jedi.
        Funny you should mention the cal/mag deficiency. On my first grow I had the same symptoms. It started on my most vigorous plant and moved to the others after a few weeks of flower. I had been playing it safe and was sure I was just under feeding them but when I started feeding more the yellowing just got worse. They just kept getting more pale yellow and it seems like they took an extra couple weeks to finish. I am starting to wonder if I had a cal or mag or both deficiency going on. I was using water from a natural spring near where I live. I've since read that water with high bicarbonate can lock out cal and maybe mag too. I'm now using 1 part spring to 1 part bottled RO water and have a bottle of GH cal/mag that I have added a couple times. I also had some rust spots that looked like cal deficiency early in this grow but think it was more of a pH lockout thing that got corrected by flush and repot. Do you use cal/mag every watering or just when feeding? I don't want to overdue it because it seems like too much of anything is no good.

        Topping slowed these girls down for a while because they were stressed when I topped the first time. Lesson learned and will only top if they look happy from now on. The GSC was sprouted a week or so after the Larry's so it worked well to let the GSC catch up to the 2 Larry's. The second topping (first for the GSC) was to take cuttings. I've herd that some slow growing indicas don't do as well with topping because it slows them down too much. I haven't started tying them down yet but if they keep stretching I may have to do a little of that. I was thinking of doing a SOG once I get the hang of cloning and have a mother that I really like.
        Peace...Fiddy
        Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
        Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
        Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
        Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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          Hey Fiddy, I just add Cal/mag to the feed and I use it right throughout but not as much in the 2nd half of flowering and they grow well with no problems.
          What else I like to do is give the pots a good flush 4 weeks into bloom. I take the plants and do it in the bath so all the run off just drains away down the plug hole. I'll flush with around 3x the pots volume then allow them to dry out over 2 or 3 days then back to feeding normal. This cleans the medium of any salt build ups and helps prevent any lock outs and also serves in giving you cleaner tasting buds. They also flush out better at the end and yellow up quicker at the end ensuring all nutrients are flushed out the plant.
          Enzymes are also worth incorporating into your feeding regime as the Enzymes break down all the dead roots converting them into nutrients and keeping the medium nice and healthy.
          Good luck
          Peace

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            Last edited by jedi5891; 12-01-2016, 15:29.

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              Originally posted by jedi5891 View Post
              Hey Fiddy, I just add Cal/mag to the feed and I use it right throughout but not as much in the 2nd half of flowering and they grow well with no problems.
              What else I like to do is give the pots a good flush 4 weeks into bloom. I take the plants and do it in the bath so all the run off just drains away down the plug hole. I'll flush with around 3x the pots volume then allow them to dry out over 2 or 3 days then back to feeding normal. This cleans the medium of any salt build ups and helps prevent any lock outs and also serves in giving you cleaner tasting buds. They also flush out better at the end and yellow up quicker at the end ensuring all nutrients are flushed out the plant.
              Enzymes are also worth incorporating into your feeding regime as the Enzymes break down all the dead roots converting them into nutrients and keeping the medium nice and healthy.
              Good luck
              Peace
              Good morning Jedi.
              Makes sense that they need less cal/mag in the second half since growth slows so much. I'll probably try it at 1/2 strength when feeding and up it if they show def.

              I like your practice of flushing half way through flower. The nutes I use recommend monthly flushing as well. I didn't give hardly any nutes during veg and repotted twice so I skipped the first flush but will do one at 4 weeks and another a couple weeks before finish. One of the reasons I've been hesitant to feed much is hearing about lockouts and other problems with salt buildup. Keeping the harvest tasting clean is high on my list of priorities.

              Thanks for the tip on enzymes. I'll do some research on which to use and try to incorporate them into the mix. I'm still developing my system of nutes and beneficial additives. So many products out there and lots of opinions on how well each of them work.

              Wishing you and your plants happiness and good health...Fiddy.
              Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
              Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
              Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
              Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
                Hey Fiddy
                How did the cuts come out you seeing new growth?
                Good morning Rodehazrd.
                I may have spoke too soon yesterday. I took a look at the cuts last night and I think I see new growth on at least 2 or 3 of them. I'm now wishing I had cut the tips off the leaves so I can be sure which is new growth. They are looking pretty good and I'm thinking they may have finally taken root.
                I hope you and your plants are happy and healthy...Fiddy.
                Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                  Topic of the day

                  So I said in my update yesterday that I want to liven up this thread with some discussion between updates. I was thinking of topic of the day type of thing. Just to keep things interesting. Here is something I have herd of but haven't read too much about.

                  Anyone have experience with pinching top growth of their plants?
                  Did it slow them down or stop them completely?
                  Can you pinch during the stretch?
                  If you have experience with doing it do you always pinch or just when your girls are threatening to get too tall?
                  Additional thoughts on pinching?
                  Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                  Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                  Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                  Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                    looks like we have a new friend on board and the force is strong in this young jedi!
                    /btw, who remembers the strain jedi?!?

                    glad to hear the cuts are doing well and it looks ladies are growing nicely
                    the plants are really liking their new homes and should really produce for you at harvest
                    it all starts at the root level

                    thats rad that you got a freebie sampler of nutrients,
                    what exactly was in that pack?
                    this is where it would be fun to run an experiment using clones and your new butrients

                    sorry to not have been posting much lately but you know with the holidays and all
                    my plate has been pretty full
                    i like your ideas of spicing things up and will do my part to add a random thought here and there!
                    so we have had some nice rains here in so cal and that makes for hero dirt conditions on the mtn bike
                    ill have to bring the camera on our next ride and just post some random mtn bike stuff!

                    plus, i have the feeling that santa might be bringing me a meat grinder so we have that to talk about as well!!

                    keep up the good work fiddy

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                      Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
                      looks like we have a new friend on board and the force is strong in this young jedi!
                      /btw, who remembers the strain jedi?!?

                      glad to hear the cuts are doing well and it looks ladies are growing nicely
                      the plants are really liking their new homes and should really produce for you at harvest
                      it all starts at the root level

                      thats rad that you got a freebie sampler of nutrients,
                      what exactly was in that pack?
                      this is where it would be fun to run an experiment using clones and your new butrients

                      sorry to not have been posting much lately but you know with the holidays and all
                      my plate has been pretty full
                      i like your ideas of spicing things up and will do my part to add a random thought here and there!
                      so we have had some nice rains here in so cal and that makes for hero dirt conditions on the mtn bike
                      ill have to bring the camera on our next ride and just post some random mtn bike stuff!

                      plus, i have the feeling that santa might be bringing me a meat grinder so we have that to talk about as well!!

                      keep up the good work fiddy
                      Good evening pop_rocks.
                      Jedi is cool and grows some of the most beautiful frosty plants I've seen here on icmag. I'd love to be able to get that much out of my genetics some day.

                      My dad stopped over last night and he wanted to see the girls. While we were checking them out I was also showing him my veg tent with the cuttings and when I pulled the dome off I noticed the new growth. I hadn't had the dome off for a few days since I put them in the soil. I didn't see any roots on day 13 when I moved them from the cups into the little pots. I just left them alone for the few days and they look like they all might be growing.

                      The lady's are on day 9 and getting huge. Going to fill the tent for sure. It might even become inconvenient to take them out for watering soon. It seems like they are going to wrap around one another if they keep bulking up like this. Can't wait to see some buds soon. Raising the light twice a day. I wanted to see how close I could let them get to the light and got a little light stress on just a couple leaves. Now I know I can get to about 13" with the MH bulb. Going to switch to HPS bulb on day 15. I think HPS throws more light and may have to keep a little further.

                      The sample pack has veg and bloom nutes, folic acid, humadic acid, a rooting powder, a silica supplement, some kind of root stimulant and pH up and down. The girls didn't mind the light dose of folic acid I gave them a couple days ago. I gave a super light feed last watering and will just give plain water probably tomorrow but I think they are getting hungry so I'm thinking a 1/2 strength feeding after that.

                      Great to hear that you are getting to ride your bike. Sounds like the conditions are great for riding. Does it get muddy there after the rain? The trails around here do and are sometimes not rideable for a couple days. I kind of like playing in the mud anyway. Would love to see some pics of the places you ride.

                      I hope Santa does bring a grinder your way. I think it's better to grind fresh than to buy any ground meat and for me it's worth the effort. Even just for burgers and stuff like that you know exactly what's in it if you do it yourself. I'll be ready with a great brat recipe and I'll be improving and dialing in my Italian sausage recipe. I'm going to be making a few batches of Italians for my friends and family for gifts for the holidays in a couple weeks. That will give me an opportunity to test a couple little variations and see what works best.

                      Thanks for the encouragement buddy. I hope you and your family are doing well. Rufus says hi too...Fiddy.
                      Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                      Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                      Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                      Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                        Hey guys and welcome Jedi
                        Glad our group is growing. Thanksgiving was good here,sockeye salmon cheese grits and some good bourbon for dessert.
                        So the Larry seems to clone ok did you have a heat mat under those?
                        On enzymes I use hygrozyme and I think it helps.

                        I'm off topic of the Larry but I need another eye here. I'm trying Bangi Haze by ace. And I'm getting some deformed leaves. I added phosphene to my mix it's bone char. I put one cup for 5gal of mix that's in addition to the 653 mix of calcium carbonate soft rock phosphate and gypsum . I didn't think the rock powders could overdone. Color is deep green and they are turning left instead of up. Not a full on Claw but not normal.
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                            Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
                            Hey guys and welcome Jedi
                            Glad our group is growing. Thanksgiving was good here,sockeye salmon cheese grits and some good bourbon for dessert.
                            So the Larry seems to clone ok did you have a heat mat under those?
                            On enzymes I use hygrozyme and I think it helps.

                            I'm off topic of the Larry but I need another eye here. I'm trying Bangi Haze by ace. And I'm getting some deformed leaves. I added phosphene to my mix it's bone char. I put one cup for 5gal of mix that's in addition to the 653 mix of calcium carbonate soft rock phosphate and gypsum . I didn't think the rock powders could overdone. Color is deep green and they are turning left instead of up. Not a full on Claw but not normal.
                            Good morning Rodehazrd.
                            Good to hear your thanksgiving was good. I love grits but it's hard to find them up here in the northern Midwest. Give me a big pile of grits with butter and some bacon on the side and I'm all set.
                            The 4 cuttings I took from the Larry's are all growing new growth. I guess that means they must have some root. I never did get a heat pad for them but it's always 70-76 degrees in there is I guess that's in the zone. The Larry moms have just about doubled in hight since flipping to 12/12. They are on day 12 of flower.
                            Thanks for sharing that you use hygrozyme. I'll find some and get it in my supplement mix.

                            Not sure but I think I see growth like you are showing on the Larry's when they are growing really quick. It's always on some of the developing leaves but it seems like the leaves grow out of it as they get bigger.
                            I hope you and your plants are well and having a good weekend.
                            Fiddy
                            Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                            Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                            Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                            Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                              Update and pics

                              Greetings friends.
                              Gave the girls a drink last night and took a few pics. The Larry's have almost doubled in hight since flipping to flower 12 days ago. The Girl Scout is threatening to out grow both of them even though it's a week younger. Everything is looking good and they are settling into a water every 3 days schedule. They are filling the tent nicely.


                              Wasn't long ago the #1 plant was the tallest but now it's the shortest by almost 2 inches. It's still the bushiest and it's going to have a bunch of colas. The main tops and the secondaries are within a few inches of each other.


                              Plant #2 is looking great too. I'm starting to think that the main tops won't catch up to the secondary branches but they are all nice and close so should be a nice canopy.


                              After a late start the Girl Scout is outgrowing the two Larry's. It's impressing me with it's growth and strength. It would be interesting to see if it had been sprouted the same day and topped twice how it would stack up against the others. She is looking good and has a nice smell to her.


                              The cuttings I took about 19 days ago are starting to grow some new leaves on top. I left the vent on the dome open last night for the first time and they still look good this morning so the vent will stay open and I'll transition to dome off over the next few days.

                              Things are moving along nicely and the plants are looking happy. I'm going to start upping the nutes next watering and I'm hoping to find my way into a good feeding schedule. I want to keep my girls nice and green and healthy but I don't want to burn them. I plan on going with 1/2 strength nutes next time and then very slight increases after that if they seem to be liking it.

                              Thanks for stoping by to have a look at my grow. I hope everyone is having a great weekend and enjoying plenty of ganja.
                              Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                              Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                              Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                              Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                                Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
                                Good morning Rodehazrd.
                                Good to hear your thanksgiving was good. I love grits but it's hard to find them up here in the northern Midwest. Give me a big pile of grits with butter and some bacon on the side and I'm all set.
                                The 4 cuttings I took from the Larry's are all growing new growth. I guess that means they must have some root. I never did get a heat pad for them but it's always 70-76 degrees in there is I guess that's in the zone. The Larry moms have just about doubled in hight since flipping to 12/12. They are on day 12 of flower.
                                Thanks for sharing that you use hygrozyme. I'll find some and get it in my supplement mix.

                                Not sure but I think I see growth like you are showing on the Larry's when they are growing really quick. It's always on some of the developing leaves but it seems like the leaves grow out of it as they get bigger.
                                I hope you and your plants are well and having a good weekend.
                                Fiddy
                                Oh the dreaded grits desert hash browns just don't work for me.
                                I notice the same they seem to grow out of it but still it seems wrong . I had been warned the bangi was another level of patience. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet but it never stopped me before. They may survive my abuse and I may learn something.
                                I really want to start my Larry and get on with the phenotypes hunt on that front. The haze is hard to clone I hear. And if I can find some fire In my Larry as I've heard tell is quite likely I'll be running OG for a while.
                                It's quite nice to have the road plowed so to speak on the Larry front
                                thanks for your detailed reports
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