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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
    Yeah probe helps tell water in the bottom
    I wait till it's barely moist with probe in 4 inches.

    I use the basic 653 rock powder mix the hibrix folks like and add bone char. Look up RBTI Reams Biological Theory of Ionization
    Budrunner copied a lot of info and posted on this site.
    From what I gather the soft rock phosphate does more for ph buffering than the calcitic lime
    Good evening Rodehazrd.

    I just read through some of the "high brix soil grow" thread by budrunners. Very interesting stuff. I've come across some threads about organic gardening and really like the concepts. It just makes sense to me that allowing Mother Nature to do her job and feeding the soil so it in turn feeds your plants is the right way to go.

    I have more to read but so far I'm very impressed at how budrunners explains things so that even a guy with no gardening or growing experience like me can understand it. I have a feeling I'll be going back to that thread again and again as I learn how to grow more naturally. I've herd the term brix before but didn't know exactly what it meant until reading that post.

    Thanks a lot for sharing with me and pointing me to that post. It gives me hope that someday I can try to do an organic grow sometime.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
    Fiddy
    Did the humidity not rise when they stretched out before and started using more water? Of course I tend to spill reaching g for the back around a big bush. So each watering some goes on The concrete
    Good afternoon Rodehazrd.
    I think the humidity did go up in my veg tent when I transplanted to bigger pots. It makes sense that more moist soil will evaporate more water into the environment. Bigger plants transpire more moisture too. I always pull my plants out and water them on plates outside the tent so there isn't any spilled or runoff water in the tent. But I could put a bowl of water in there to help rase RH.

    The real test will be when the cold dry winter air moves in. My first grow was during the summer and I was having a hard time keeping humidity below 55% or so. It will be a different story this winter. It's hot and humid during the summer here but cold and very dry during the winter. I'm fighting different battles at different time of the year here. I never paid attention to humidity before I started growing so I don't know what to expect this winter. I wasn't really worried about it until I started reading threads about VPD on icmag. I think it will be fine but I want to be aware of it so that I can keep my girls happy.

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  • Rodehazrd
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    Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
    Good morning Rodehazrd.
    I've seen those probes at the garden store but didn't know how reliable they are. It sounds like they must work and it might be a good idea for me to get one.

    When you say that pH is a moving target and you don't try to correct are you talking about soil pH? Do you still pH your water and nutes or nothing at all? I've herd that with organic grows there is no need to pH anything. I'd like to here more about your method.
    Yeah probe helps tell water in the bottom
    I wait till it's barely moist with probe in 4 inches.

    I use the basic 653 rock powder mix the hibrix folks like and add bone char. Look up RBTI Reams Biological Theory of Ionization
    Budrunner copied a lot of info and posted on this site.
    From what I gather the soft rock phosphate does more for ph buffering than the calcitic lime

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  • Rodehazrd
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    Fiddy
    Did the humidity not rise when they stretched out before and started using more water? Of course I tend to spill reaching g for the back around a big bush. So each watering some goes on The concrete

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
    Hey fiddly
    I used a moisture probe at first
    Cheap and consistant.I still drag it out sometimes. Mine has ph too but I used paper. Now I see ph a moving target and don't try to correct it
    Good morning Rodehazrd.
    I've seen those probes at the garden store but didn't know how reliable they are. It sounds like they must work and it might be a good idea for me to get one.

    When you say that pH is a moving target and you don't try to correct are you talking about soil pH? Do you still pH your water and nutes or nothing at all? I've herd that with organic grows there is no need to pH anything. I'd like to here more about your method.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
    the cups will work just fine and the plant will prob outgrown the cups ability to support the clone before it gets too root bound
    when you say they look just like they did two days ago, you mean upright and full, right?
    that is great and means they are not suffering too much
    keep the dome on for at least the first week-10days
    at this point the cuttings dont have any roots to supply themselves wiht water and nutrients
    by keeping them in a humid environment, we minimize transpiration
    this gives them time to grow some roots and start feeding themselves

    it jsut occourred to me that if you have like some deep ice cube trays those might work too
    you just dont want light hitting the sides of the rr'cubes

    maybe hold off on the humidifier
    by using the dome you can create the micro environment that is best for your cuttings while still keeping the rest of your garden happy
    we dotn want the whole space to be at high humidity
    /soon, you are flowering and vegging and pulling clones in teh same room
    so does it feel like winter there yet,man?
    the weather here in san diego changed overnight and its damp and cold outside today
    /i think this time its for real and we can begin to enjoy the fall weather
    Good morning pop_rocks.
    They aren't really standing up but not any more droopy than when they were cut. They were all new growth so they were a little droopy to begin with. I'll take some pics tonight of them. I'll probably have to water tonight and want to get some pics of the individual plants up anyway. It's not critical that the cuts make it but if they don't do well I'd like to find out why so I can do things differently next time. I'll keep them moist and won't give up on them too quick. I'll probably get them in cups with vermiculite tonight as well. I'm thinking I should soak the vermiculite first and then also put some drainage holes in the cups. Then I can pull the rooters out to check for roots when I need to.

    I'll hold off on the humidifier until the cold dry air gets here and well see how it goes. I'm thinking I still want it close to 50% for flower and 60% for veg. If I keep some water in the veg tent that may keep it a little more moist in there. If my basement drops below 45% I may have to rase the humidity to keep it at 50 in the flower tent. I'll just have to keep an eye on it and adjust accordingly. Both tents are in the basement right next to each other. I look at it as the basement is a lung room since that's where the tents get there air from.

    Winter is holding off for another couple days here. Today it's high 60's and sunny. Way above normal temps for us. Big changes this weekend it's predicted to be high in the upper 30's. Maybe even get some snow flurries.
    Glad you are getting a break from the heat. Cool and damp is good riding weather.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
    Yea, I've heard to only top when your plant is completely healthy, or like you said, it can be more detrimental than you had hoped. Sounds like you're in the clear though! You learned something

    Cheers,
    Tri_Cho_Me
    Good morning Tri_Cho_Me.
    Yep I learned something once again. I feel like I learn something every day here on icmag. Even if it's something that doesn't pertain to my currant grow I learn something I can look back on and say ah-ha and make the connection.

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  • Rodehazrd
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    Hey fiddly
    I used a moisture probe at first
    Cheap and consistant.I still drag it out sometimes. Mine has ph too but I used paper. Now I see ph a moving target and don't try to correct it

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  • pop_rocks
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    yeah rode, its kind of hard to tell what really works
    as long as its not putting any extra plates on the table, why not?
    it would be fun to try an experiment and see if others can tell the difference between the two

    if nothing else i think it would be a fun experiment and im in for the lulz

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  • pop_rocks
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    the cups will work just fine and the plant will prob outgrown the cups ability to support the clone before it gets too root bound
    when you say they look just like they did two days ago, you mean upright and full, right?
    that is great and means they are not suffering too much
    keep the dome on for at least the first week-10days
    at this point the cuttings dont have any roots to supply themselves wiht water and nutrients
    by keeping them in a humid environment, we minimize transpiration
    this gives them time to grow some roots and start feeding themselves

    it jsut occourred to me that if you have like some deep ice cube trays those might work too
    you just dont want light hitting the sides of the rr'cubes

    maybe hold off on the humidifier
    by using the dome you can create the micro environment that is best for your cuttings while still keeping the rest of your garden happy
    we dotn want the whole space to be at high humidity
    /soon, you are flowering and vegging and pulling clones in teh same room
    so does it feel like winter there yet,man?
    the weather here in san diego changed overnight and its damp and cold outside today
    /i think this time its for real and we can begin to enjoy the fall weather

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  • Tri_Cho_Me
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    Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
    Good afternoon Tri_Cho_Me.
    One of the reasons I'm too chicken to try a scrog net is that I'm more comfortable being able to pick up the pots to see how light they are. I also like to be able to take the girls out to inspect them for pests and what not. I will probably get over it at some point and try it though. I've changed my circulation fan mid grow and I think that is part of why I'm unable to estimate how often to water. I've under watered a couple times this grow because I didn't expect them to dry so fast. It something I'll get better with experience and I still put my finger down into the soil as a gauge as well. Once they are in their final pots I'll have it pretty dialed I think. Going to pot up and flip to 12/12 in a couple weeks max.

    Plants 1&2 were topped early at the fifth node while plant 3 was catching up and not topped previously. They were all topped again Monday morning when I took the cuttings. I took the one top off the three plant and both tops off the 1&2. The girls didn't react well to the first topping but I had a couple other stresses at that time which must have contributed to their reaction. They all seem like they are doing well after the final topping on Monday so no worries about the plants being freaked out. I can tell these girls are going to have many more tops than my first grow when I let them grow naturally. The side branches on 1&2 are already above the tops and both are super bushy. I know the tops will catch up once they take off again and I'm going to try to tie them down a bit for a more even canopy.
    Yea, I've heard to only top when your plant is completely healthy, or like you said, it can be more detrimental than you had hoped. Sounds like you're in the clear though! You learned something

    Cheers,
    Tri_Cho_Me

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
    I wish I could pick my pots up, but the scrog kind of prevents that. I rely on memory, as well as look/feel. As a guess, I would say I water around every 3 days on average. That is for my 5 gallon ladies. The one gallon ladies of course dry out a bit quicker, but since they're just bag seed bullshit, I let'em ride so I can water it all at once.

    In regards to your last paragraph, have you tried topping? Or did you do that already and I'm not remembering?
    If not, I did it with my current round and seem to be having good results so far. Although, I have nothing to compare to. I know it stunts the growth, so the other buds can catch up, as well as disperses auxin to the other tops.

    Tri_Cho_Me
    Good afternoon Tri_Cho_Me.
    One of the reasons I'm too chicken to try a scrog net is that I'm more comfortable being able to pick up the pots to see how light they are. I also like to be able to take the girls out to inspect them for pests and what not. I will probably get over it at some point and try it though. I've changed my circulation fan mid grow and I think that is part of why I'm unable to estimate how often to water. I've under watered a couple times this grow because I didn't expect them to dry so fast. It something I'll get better with experience and I still put my finger down into the soil as a gauge as well. Once they are in their final pots I'll have it pretty dialed I think. Going to pot up and flip to 12/12 in a couple weeks max.

    Plants 1&2 were topped early at the fifth node while plant 3 was catching up and not topped previously. They were all topped again Monday morning when I took the cuttings. I took the one top off the three plant and both tops off the 1&2. The girls didn't react well to the first topping but I had a couple other stresses at that time which must have contributed to their reaction. They all seem like they are doing well after the final topping on Monday so no worries about the plants being freaked out. I can tell these girls are going to have many more tops than my first grow when I let them grow naturally. The side branches on 1&2 are already above the tops and both are super bushy. I know the tops will catch up once they take off again and I'm going to try to tie them down a bit for a more even canopy.

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  • Tri_Cho_Me
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    Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
    Just a quick update this morning. The girls were thirsty last night so I gave them water and a little kelp fertilizer. I kept the feeding very light at 2ml per gallon water. The plants look healthy and happy. New growth has started at the topping sights. The #3 plant is starting to bulk up and get a little more bushy in the last couple days. On the 1&2 plants the lower branches have grown higher than the tops. I think they are looking nice and healthy.

    This was the third watering since transplant. It took them 5 days to dry out after the transplant and first soak. The next watering was 3 days later and they were very dry and got slightly droopy. This last watering was only 2 days later and they weren't droopy but the pots were very light and I didn't want to let them go another 12 hours without. I have a box fan blowing right across the tops of the pots and I think that is part of why they are drying out so quickly. I also think they are looking to get to their bigger pots pretty soon. Since they didn't seem to mind the topping a couple days ago I'm thinking they won't mind being transplanted in a few days. I want to get them into the flower tent soon since they are already 16" tall. I want to keep them to 36"-42" max final size and I'm counting on at least a 2x stretch. They are already as tall as my last ones were when I flipped to 12/12. I'm going to do a little training and tying down this time so that should help them not get too tall.

    The cuttings I took a couple days ago look just like they did when I put them in the rooters and into the dome. I gave them a couple mists of water last night and they still seem nice and moist this morning. I'm not expecting much action out of them for at least a few more days but I'm keeping a close eye on them for any changes. I've herd it's not good to let them get too comfortable in the dome for too long or they will just chill and not grow roots. Having no experience with this I'll just have to play around and get a feel for it.
    Here is a group shot from this morning.
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    I wish I could pick my pots up, but the scrog kind of prevents that. I rely on memory, as well as look/feel. As a guess, I would say I water around every 3 days on average. That is for my 5 gallon ladies. The one gallon ladies of course dry out a bit quicker, but since they're just bag seed bullshit, I let'em ride so I can water it all at once.

    In regards to your last paragraph, have you tried topping? Or did you do that already and I'm not remembering?
    If not, I did it with my current round and seem to be having good results so far. Although, I have nothing to compare to. I know it stunts the growth, so the other buds can catch up, as well as disperses auxin to the other tops.

    Tri_Cho_Me

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  • Fiddynut
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    Update

    Just a quick update this morning. The girls were thirsty last night so I gave them water and a little kelp fertilizer. I kept the feeding very light at 2ml per gallon water. The plants look healthy and happy. New growth has started at the topping sights. The #3 plant is starting to bulk up and get a little more bushy in the last couple days. On the 1&2 plants the lower branches have grown higher than the tops. I think they are looking nice and healthy.

    This was the third watering since transplant. It took them 5 days to dry out after the transplant and first soak. The next watering was 3 days later and they were very dry and got slightly droopy. This last watering was only 2 days later and they weren't droopy but the pots were very light and I didn't want to let them go another 12 hours without. I have a box fan blowing right across the tops of the pots and I think that is part of why they are drying out so quickly. I also think they are looking to get to their bigger pots pretty soon. Since they didn't seem to mind the topping a couple days ago I'm thinking they won't mind being transplanted in a few days. I want to get them into the flower tent soon since they are already 16" tall. I want to keep them to 36"-42" max final size and I'm counting on at least a 2x stretch. They are already as tall as my last ones were when I flipped to 12/12. I'm going to do a little training and tying down this time so that should help them not get too tall.

    The cuttings I took a couple days ago look just like they did when I put them in the rooters and into the dome. I gave them a couple mists of water last night and they still seem nice and moist this morning. I'm not expecting much action out of them for at least a few more days but I'm keeping a close eye on them for any changes. I've herd it's not good to let them get too comfortable in the dome for too long or they will just chill and not grow roots. Having no experience with this I'll just have to play around and get a feel for it.
    Here is a group shot from this morning.

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  • Fiddynut
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    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
    i like your idea of putting the rr's into a small cup
    fill it with coco coir or perlite
    you can wait a little, but if you start seeing white roots against the edge of the rr cube you need to get them moved
    /with these babies, its all about the root and we dont want any airpruning

    cloning is one of those things that seems harder than it looks
    if you have the right tools and a little knowledge the rest is the plant
    as far as the vents on the dome go, i dont really use them
    once they are at a point where i would open the vent, im ready to start hardening them off so i jsut take the cover off all together
    /please consider that i live in a place where 60%rh is kind of the norm
    //in a drier climate like where you are at you may want to keep a closer eye on them, esp this first time around until you get a feel for your cloning enviroment

    @rhodehaz': that is intersting that you know someone who uses honey a a rooting jell!
    honey has a natural antiseptic property and as long as the rest of the enviroment is right a clone want to root
    Good morning pop_rocks.
    I'll keep a close eye out for roots and use foam cups with vermiculite if I see any if I don't get to the hydro store and get trays. So far they look just like they did 2 days ago when I put them in. I noticed that the dome is staying humid. I'll give them a little mist when the dome dries. If they still look good in a few days I'll start pulling the dome off for an hour or two and see how they react. If they seem ok I'll start leaving it off for longer or all together. I've got my dehuey off and have been able to get humidity up to about 60% or so in the tent. The cold and dry air is going to start moving in in a few days so we will see how the humidity is once it cools off. I suspect it will get hard to keep humidity above 50% soon. Maybe I'll start looking into humidifiers.

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