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    Just a quick update this morning. The girls were thirsty last night so I gave them water and a little kelp fertilizer. I kept the feeding very light at 2ml per gallon water. The plants look healthy and happy. New growth has started at the topping sights. The #3 plant is starting to bulk up and get a little more bushy in the last couple days. On the 1&2 plants the lower branches have grown higher than the tops. I think they are looking nice and healthy.

    This was the third watering since transplant. It took them 5 days to dry out after the transplant and first soak. The next watering was 3 days later and they were very dry and got slightly droopy. This last watering was only 2 days later and they weren't droopy but the pots were very light and I didn't want to let them go another 12 hours without. I have a box fan blowing right across the tops of the pots and I think that is part of why they are drying out so quickly. I also think they are looking to get to their bigger pots pretty soon. Since they didn't seem to mind the topping a couple days ago I'm thinking they won't mind being transplanted in a few days. I want to get them into the flower tent soon since they are already 16" tall. I want to keep them to 36"-42" max final size and I'm counting on at least a 2x stretch. They are already as tall as my last ones were when I flipped to 12/12. I'm going to do a little training and tying down this time so that should help them not get too tall.

    The cuttings I took a couple days ago look just like they did when I put them in the rooters and into the dome. I gave them a couple mists of water last night and they still seem nice and moist this morning. I'm not expecting much action out of them for at least a few more days but I'm keeping a close eye on them for any changes. I've herd it's not good to let them get too comfortable in the dome for too long or they will just chill and not grow roots. Having no experience with this I'll just have to play around and get a feel for it.
    Here is a group shot from this morning.
    Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
    Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
    Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
    Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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      Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
      Just a quick update this morning. The girls were thirsty last night so I gave them water and a little kelp fertilizer. I kept the feeding very light at 2ml per gallon water. The plants look healthy and happy. New growth has started at the topping sights. The #3 plant is starting to bulk up and get a little more bushy in the last couple days. On the 1&2 plants the lower branches have grown higher than the tops. I think they are looking nice and healthy.

      This was the third watering since transplant. It took them 5 days to dry out after the transplant and first soak. The next watering was 3 days later and they were very dry and got slightly droopy. This last watering was only 2 days later and they weren't droopy but the pots were very light and I didn't want to let them go another 12 hours without. I have a box fan blowing right across the tops of the pots and I think that is part of why they are drying out so quickly. I also think they are looking to get to their bigger pots pretty soon. Since they didn't seem to mind the topping a couple days ago I'm thinking they won't mind being transplanted in a few days. I want to get them into the flower tent soon since they are already 16" tall. I want to keep them to 36"-42" max final size and I'm counting on at least a 2x stretch. They are already as tall as my last ones were when I flipped to 12/12. I'm going to do a little training and tying down this time so that should help them not get too tall.

      The cuttings I took a couple days ago look just like they did when I put them in the rooters and into the dome. I gave them a couple mists of water last night and they still seem nice and moist this morning. I'm not expecting much action out of them for at least a few more days but I'm keeping a close eye on them for any changes. I've herd it's not good to let them get too comfortable in the dome for too long or they will just chill and not grow roots. Having no experience with this I'll just have to play around and get a feel for it.
      Here is a group shot from this morning.
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      I wish I could pick my pots up, but the scrog kind of prevents that. I rely on memory, as well as look/feel. As a guess, I would say I water around every 3 days on average. That is for my 5 gallon ladies. The one gallon ladies of course dry out a bit quicker, but since they're just bag seed bullshit, I let'em ride so I can water it all at once.

      In regards to your last paragraph, have you tried topping? Or did you do that already and I'm not remembering?
      If not, I did it with my current round and seem to be having good results so far. Although, I have nothing to compare to. I know it stunts the growth, so the other buds can catch up, as well as disperses auxin to the other tops.

      Tri_Cho_Me
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      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=331706 Current/First Grow - Strawberry Kush

      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333484 My No-Till Adventure

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        Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
        I wish I could pick my pots up, but the scrog kind of prevents that. I rely on memory, as well as look/feel. As a guess, I would say I water around every 3 days on average. That is for my 5 gallon ladies. The one gallon ladies of course dry out a bit quicker, but since they're just bag seed bullshit, I let'em ride so I can water it all at once.

        In regards to your last paragraph, have you tried topping? Or did you do that already and I'm not remembering?
        If not, I did it with my current round and seem to be having good results so far. Although, I have nothing to compare to. I know it stunts the growth, so the other buds can catch up, as well as disperses auxin to the other tops.

        Tri_Cho_Me
        Good afternoon Tri_Cho_Me.
        One of the reasons I'm too chicken to try a scrog net is that I'm more comfortable being able to pick up the pots to see how light they are. I also like to be able to take the girls out to inspect them for pests and what not. I will probably get over it at some point and try it though. I've changed my circulation fan mid grow and I think that is part of why I'm unable to estimate how often to water. I've under watered a couple times this grow because I didn't expect them to dry so fast. It something I'll get better with experience and I still put my finger down into the soil as a gauge as well. Once they are in their final pots I'll have it pretty dialed I think. Going to pot up and flip to 12/12 in a couple weeks max.

        Plants 1&2 were topped early at the fifth node while plant 3 was catching up and not topped previously. They were all topped again Monday morning when I took the cuttings. I took the one top off the three plant and both tops off the 1&2. The girls didn't react well to the first topping but I had a couple other stresses at that time which must have contributed to their reaction. They all seem like they are doing well after the final topping on Monday so no worries about the plants being freaked out. I can tell these girls are going to have many more tops than my first grow when I let them grow naturally. The side branches on 1&2 are already above the tops and both are super bushy. I know the tops will catch up once they take off again and I'm going to try to tie them down a bit for a more even canopy.
        Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
        Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
        Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
        Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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          Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
          Good afternoon Tri_Cho_Me.
          One of the reasons I'm too chicken to try a scrog net is that I'm more comfortable being able to pick up the pots to see how light they are. I also like to be able to take the girls out to inspect them for pests and what not. I will probably get over it at some point and try it though. I've changed my circulation fan mid grow and I think that is part of why I'm unable to estimate how often to water. I've under watered a couple times this grow because I didn't expect them to dry so fast. It something I'll get better with experience and I still put my finger down into the soil as a gauge as well. Once they are in their final pots I'll have it pretty dialed I think. Going to pot up and flip to 12/12 in a couple weeks max.

          Plants 1&2 were topped early at the fifth node while plant 3 was catching up and not topped previously. They were all topped again Monday morning when I took the cuttings. I took the one top off the three plant and both tops off the 1&2. The girls didn't react well to the first topping but I had a couple other stresses at that time which must have contributed to their reaction. They all seem like they are doing well after the final topping on Monday so no worries about the plants being freaked out. I can tell these girls are going to have many more tops than my first grow when I let them grow naturally. The side branches on 1&2 are already above the tops and both are super bushy. I know the tops will catch up once they take off again and I'm going to try to tie them down a bit for a more even canopy.
          Yea, I've heard to only top when your plant is completely healthy, or like you said, it can be more detrimental than you had hoped. Sounds like you're in the clear though! You learned something

          Cheers,
          Tri_Cho_Me
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          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=335174 Second Grow / No-Till / Sour Diesel

          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=331706 Current/First Grow - Strawberry Kush

          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333484 My No-Till Adventure

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            the cups will work just fine and the plant will prob outgrown the cups ability to support the clone before it gets too root bound
            when you say they look just like they did two days ago, you mean upright and full, right?
            that is great and means they are not suffering too much
            keep the dome on for at least the first week-10days
            at this point the cuttings dont have any roots to supply themselves wiht water and nutrients
            by keeping them in a humid environment, we minimize transpiration
            this gives them time to grow some roots and start feeding themselves

            it jsut occourred to me that if you have like some deep ice cube trays those might work too
            you just dont want light hitting the sides of the rr'cubes

            maybe hold off on the humidifier
            by using the dome you can create the micro environment that is best for your cuttings while still keeping the rest of your garden happy
            we dotn want the whole space to be at high humidity
            /soon, you are flowering and vegging and pulling clones in teh same room
            so does it feel like winter there yet,man?
            the weather here in san diego changed overnight and its damp and cold outside today
            /i think this time its for real and we can begin to enjoy the fall weather

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              yeah rode, its kind of hard to tell what really works
              as long as its not putting any extra plates on the table, why not?
              it would be fun to try an experiment and see if others can tell the difference between the two

              if nothing else i think it would be a fun experiment and im in for the lulz

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                Hey fiddly
                I used a moisture probe at first
                Cheap and consistant.I still drag it out sometimes. Mine has ph too but I used paper. Now I see ph a moving target and don't try to correct it
                Kindness is Not Canceled

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                  Originally posted by Tri_Cho_Me View Post
                  Yea, I've heard to only top when your plant is completely healthy, or like you said, it can be more detrimental than you had hoped. Sounds like you're in the clear though! You learned something

                  Cheers,
                  Tri_Cho_Me
                  Good morning Tri_Cho_Me.
                  Yep I learned something once again. I feel like I learn something every day here on icmag. Even if it's something that doesn't pertain to my currant grow I learn something I can look back on and say ah-ha and make the connection.
                  Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                  Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                  Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                  Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                    Originally posted by pop_rocks View Post
                    the cups will work just fine and the plant will prob outgrown the cups ability to support the clone before it gets too root bound
                    when you say they look just like they did two days ago, you mean upright and full, right?
                    that is great and means they are not suffering too much
                    keep the dome on for at least the first week-10days
                    at this point the cuttings dont have any roots to supply themselves wiht water and nutrients
                    by keeping them in a humid environment, we minimize transpiration
                    this gives them time to grow some roots and start feeding themselves

                    it jsut occourred to me that if you have like some deep ice cube trays those might work too
                    you just dont want light hitting the sides of the rr'cubes

                    maybe hold off on the humidifier
                    by using the dome you can create the micro environment that is best for your cuttings while still keeping the rest of your garden happy
                    we dotn want the whole space to be at high humidity
                    /soon, you are flowering and vegging and pulling clones in teh same room
                    so does it feel like winter there yet,man?
                    the weather here in san diego changed overnight and its damp and cold outside today
                    /i think this time its for real and we can begin to enjoy the fall weather
                    Good morning pop_rocks.
                    They aren't really standing up but not any more droopy than when they were cut. They were all new growth so they were a little droopy to begin with. I'll take some pics tonight of them. I'll probably have to water tonight and want to get some pics of the individual plants up anyway. It's not critical that the cuts make it but if they don't do well I'd like to find out why so I can do things differently next time. I'll keep them moist and won't give up on them too quick. I'll probably get them in cups with vermiculite tonight as well. I'm thinking I should soak the vermiculite first and then also put some drainage holes in the cups. Then I can pull the rooters out to check for roots when I need to.

                    I'll hold off on the humidifier until the cold dry air gets here and well see how it goes. I'm thinking I still want it close to 50% for flower and 60% for veg. If I keep some water in the veg tent that may keep it a little more moist in there. If my basement drops below 45% I may have to rase the humidity to keep it at 50 in the flower tent. I'll just have to keep an eye on it and adjust accordingly. Both tents are in the basement right next to each other. I look at it as the basement is a lung room since that's where the tents get there air from.

                    Winter is holding off for another couple days here. Today it's high 60's and sunny. Way above normal temps for us. Big changes this weekend it's predicted to be high in the upper 30's. Maybe even get some snow flurries.
                    Glad you are getting a break from the heat. Cool and damp is good riding weather.
                    Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                    Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                    Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                    Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                      Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
                      Hey fiddly
                      I used a moisture probe at first
                      Cheap and consistant.I still drag it out sometimes. Mine has ph too but I used paper. Now I see ph a moving target and don't try to correct it
                      Good morning Rodehazrd.
                      I've seen those probes at the garden store but didn't know how reliable they are. It sounds like they must work and it might be a good idea for me to get one.

                      When you say that pH is a moving target and you don't try to correct are you talking about soil pH? Do you still pH your water and nutes or nothing at all? I've herd that with organic grows there is no need to pH anything. I'd like to here more about your method.
                      Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                      Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                      Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                      Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                        Fiddy
                        Did the humidity not rise when they stretched out before and started using more water? Of course I tend to spill reaching g for the back around a big bush. So each watering some goes on The concrete
                        Kindness is Not Canceled

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                          Originally posted by Fiddynut View Post
                          Good morning Rodehazrd.
                          I've seen those probes at the garden store but didn't know how reliable they are. It sounds like they must work and it might be a good idea for me to get one.

                          When you say that pH is a moving target and you don't try to correct are you talking about soil pH? Do you still pH your water and nutes or nothing at all? I've herd that with organic grows there is no need to pH anything. I'd like to here more about your method.
                          Yeah probe helps tell water in the bottom
                          I wait till it's barely moist with probe in 4 inches.

                          I use the basic 653 rock powder mix the hibrix folks like and add bone char. Look up RBTI Reams Biological Theory of Ionization
                          Budrunner copied a lot of info and posted on this site.
                          From what I gather the soft rock phosphate does more for ph buffering than the calcitic lime
                          Kindness is Not Canceled

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                            Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
                            Fiddy
                            Did the humidity not rise when they stretched out before and started using more water? Of course I tend to spill reaching g for the back around a big bush. So each watering some goes on The concrete
                            Good afternoon Rodehazrd.
                            I think the humidity did go up in my veg tent when I transplanted to bigger pots. It makes sense that more moist soil will evaporate more water into the environment. Bigger plants transpire more moisture too. I always pull my plants out and water them on plates outside the tent so there isn't any spilled or runoff water in the tent. But I could put a bowl of water in there to help rase RH.

                            The real test will be when the cold dry winter air moves in. My first grow was during the summer and I was having a hard time keeping humidity below 55% or so. It will be a different story this winter. It's hot and humid during the summer here but cold and very dry during the winter. I'm fighting different battles at different time of the year here. I never paid attention to humidity before I started growing so I don't know what to expect this winter. I wasn't really worried about it until I started reading threads about VPD on icmag. I think it will be fine but I want to be aware of it so that I can keep my girls happy.
                            Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                            Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                            Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                            Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                              Originally posted by Rodehazrd View Post
                              Yeah probe helps tell water in the bottom
                              I wait till it's barely moist with probe in 4 inches.

                              I use the basic 653 rock powder mix the hibrix folks like and add bone char. Look up RBTI Reams Biological Theory of Ionization
                              Budrunner copied a lot of info and posted on this site.
                              From what I gather the soft rock phosphate does more for ph buffering than the calcitic lime
                              Good evening Rodehazrd.

                              I just read through some of the "high brix soil grow" thread by budrunners. Very interesting stuff. I've come across some threads about organic gardening and really like the concepts. It just makes sense to me that allowing Mother Nature to do her job and feeding the soil so it in turn feeds your plants is the right way to go.

                              I have more to read but so far I'm very impressed at how budrunners explains things so that even a guy with no gardening or growing experience like me can understand it. I have a feeling I'll be going back to that thread again and again as I learn how to grow more naturally. I've herd the term brix before but didn't know exactly what it meant until reading that post.

                              Thanks a lot for sharing with me and pointing me to that post. It gives me hope that someday I can try to do an organic grow sometime.
                              Fiddynut's indoor jungle https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....58#post7781958
                              Fiddynut tries some autos https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336087
                              Completed grow Larry OG https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=333512
                              Completed grow Blackwater https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330253

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                                Im starting a batch of mix this weekend. the only change I make to his mix is bone char I add. His feeding routine is way too hot for most of my strains. Em Dog eagle clawed and its supposed to want high ec.I buy the hygrozyme now in big bottles and use it a lot. I do micros and humic acid watering. but only fed the second week with tiger and the forth week with the same. The earth juice was ok but one of my bottles came with a layer of gel on the bottom that did not dilute.plus I was burning everything so I went back to foxfarm at one quarter strength. the spray schedule I use the cation mostly the anionic seems counter to me at flowering stage. I use the pump up type sprayer and it works best for me.. I found calcium nitrate on the Amazon. When I need more i will go direct to aglab.com. they are the motherlode of hibrix.
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