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    negative37dBa's NL & Chemdog grow

    Hi all. Time already for another grow diary. This will be my final of the year. Going to take some time off and PLAY.
    So I have 1 Chemdog clone from my mom and I have 1 Northern Lights clone from my mom. These are both bagseed finds from long ago that I turned into moms. The Chemdog I ran last year and it was great. It's been so long I cannot remmember when I ran the NL last.
    Will start with some early formalities.
    The flower room is about 4.5'x5'x7'. Dual 400 watt digital aircooled lighting, mixed spectrum. Air Out, Can 50 with 6", 303 CFM fantech. Air In, Filtered, temperature controlled air supply with a 303 CFM fantech 6". More details on the room can be found in my other diaries.
    Flowering pots are 3.5 gallon and I use a soiless mix. Advanced Nutrients Sensi A&B is all I use for nutes with R/O water.
    Moms, more than just NL & CD.

    Roots, I use a DIY Aero cloner.

    Clones growing up. CD on left. NL on right.

    Getting some size. NL on left. CD on right.

    First day in the flower room.

    The NL is looking a bit rough. These both had a VERY long veg time. Had some timming issues and these ended up vegging for...get this...70 days. Topped an uncountable # of times to stay within cab hieght limits.
    Made for some slightly root bound balls. The NL is looking sooo much better now. Getting used to the new size pots and increased light/room. That rather large veg time made for alotta heads though. Nice and even as well. Cola train comming!
    Last edited by negative37dBA; 04-12-2013, 04:23. Reason: spelling
    Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
    Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
    Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
    Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
    Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
    Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
    Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
    Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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    Day 1 of flowering! Yeah.

    Made the flip this AM. Lights out ladies. The Chemdog is rocking along quite well.
    Chemdog.

    Northern Lights. The NL is comming around. She really likes the nute levels high. 600 PPM already with Advanced Nutrients A&B Grow.

    Gee, only about 64 days or so to go!
    Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
    Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
    Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
    Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
    Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
    Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
    Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
    Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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      #3
      Are those moms in the white pots?!!! OMG look at their awesome trunks! They are totally bonsai....
      Houseplant Collection --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259773
      Jar Good Grow Diary --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259902

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        #4
        Originally posted by TwistedPistils View Post
        Are those moms in the white pots?!!! OMG look at their awesome trunks! They are totally bonsai....
        Yes sir they are. Bonsai style all the way. Some are well over a year old. Getting some twisted FAT trunks. I keep them small. I only need a handfull of clones now and again so this style made sense. Plus they are fun to work with. Might be some doubters about how many clones you can pull off such small moms. I have taken as many as 15 at a time off a sinlge mom and there still plenty left for new growth. More that sufficient for my needs.
        Thanks again.
        Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
        Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
        Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
        Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
        Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
        Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
        Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
        Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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          #5
          It's ma'am btw and they look awesome!
          Houseplant Collection --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259773
          Jar Good Grow Diary --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259902

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            #6
            Originally posted by TwistedPistils View Post
            It's ma'am btw and they look awesome!
            Sorry about that. Just so many men growing I just ASSumed.(meaning me the ass)
            Will not happen again.
            Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
            Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
            Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
            Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
            Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
            Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
            Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
            Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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              #7
              It's totally ok, I would prefer to be sir anyways LoL, ma'am makes me sound old...
              Houseplant Collection --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259773
              Jar Good Grow Diary --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259902

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                #8
                These moms look stunning, tree-like trunks! I will be following this thread, your ladies will overgrow the space in no time. Are you going to replant these in bigger pots?
                "The surest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that no one has tried to contact us"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by thor View Post
                  These moms look stunning, tree-like trunks! I will be following this thread, your ladies will overgrow the space in no time. Are you going to replant these in bigger pots?
                  Thanks for the nice comments.
                  Are you refering to the Moms or the 2 flowering plants?
                  The flowering plants are in thier final pots. They will not overgrow the space.
                  The Moms always stay in those size pots. I root prune about 2-3 times a year. These will not overgrow the space either. Have been there for a year plus now.
                  Do not mean to sound harsh at all.
                  Appreciate you following along.
                  Is it not common to have Bonsai style moms? I get alot of comments on here everytime I post a picture of them. I learned this style from a UK grower called OldTimer 1...not directly, but through another site. It kicks ass as far as maintenance and having multiple genetics availble at any time.
                  Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                  Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                  Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                  Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                  Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                  Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                  Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                  Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                    #10
                    I have never kept one Mom before, I usually take a bunch of cuts off a plant. Then after it recovers and bushes out throw her into flower. Then after the cuts grow up I keep one as the Mom and flower a whole round. Now I am going to try your way because they just look soooooooooooo COOL!!!
                    Houseplant Collection --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259773
                    Jar Good Grow Diary --->https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259902

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TwistedPistils View Post
                      I have never kept one Mom before, I usually take a bunch of cuts off a plant. Then after it recovers and bushes out throw her into flower. Then after the cuts grow up I keep one as the Mom and flower a whole round. Now I am going to try your way because they just look soooooooooooo COOL!!!
                      Thanks for that, they are fun.
                      Yes, what ever works for your particular style is great.
                      If I start from seed:
                      I crack them, plant them, let them grow to show sex.
                      May or may not keep males, let females veg for a bit then take at least 2 cuttings off each one.
                      Go ahead and flower all the vegged seedlings.
                      Start the process of LSTing the pairs of little clones.
                      Decide after flower which phenotype is best/keeper and then keep those 2 coresponding clones.
                      Pick out the strongest lookng one and mom/bonsai it.
                      Boom, done and another strain is available for growing at anytime. It's not really boom and your done...its a process.
                      Well worth it though as I believe having a variety of high quality strains to medicate with is the best way to go.
                      A couple pictures. What a difference a day can make. Northern is really picking up steam. Under Metal Halide.

                      The Chem is loving that light. Under HPS.

                      So just a few potential flowering heads eh? I have counted. The Northern has apprx 29 major heads. The Chem beleive it or not has more than that. Loving that 70 day vegatative growth time. I like to try to predict yield. I may have hurt myself a bit by not going 5 gallon on the pots. 7oz's for the Chem & 6oz's for the NL.
                      So I just cannot help myself. I am thinking of putting a little sprinkle of the Super Silver Haze pollen I have on that Chemdog. Super Silver Chemdog Haze sounds real nice.
                      just 1 small branch for a hanfdfull of experimentals for later. I just find it so fun. I will break out that little pollen jar in a couple weeks. Been in a frozen environment since 2006. Only been out 3 times for usage in crosses in all that time. 1 was my recent SSGoo grow. It is worth a read if you have the time. Its in a link at the bottom of my post.
                      Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                      Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                      Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                      Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                      Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                      Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                      Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                      Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                        #12
                        Great looking ChemD! Ive never smoked or smelled ChemD before. Would love to try it out 1 day.
                        Once I get my other T-5, I will be able to veg my clones and LST them around the rim of the pots as they grow for 8 weeks before I flip them. I want all 40 plants to look like your Chem, my brother NEG. Its so perfect looking.

                        This pic of your Chem D reminds me of an article I read about how to do a 10lb plant outdoors.
                        If you wanted to grow a 10lb plant outdoors you would keep topping all those heads again and again while vegging it indoors for 5 months, then put it outside in the ground on May 1st in a hole 4 feet deep x 10' radius filled with good soil. I guess by harvest time you'l have a bush 10 feet in diameter and like 10 feet tall just packed with buds. The pic they had of theres was rediculous. The people looked tiny and the mane stalk was as thick as my forearm.

                        Thanx for all your help and advice on trying to increase my yields and get a better quality garden. Im excited even more for this next grow.
                        Ill know the sex by next week of the 2 Cheesedogs I have. The 2 Fuels are males. I would love to be able to take 8 clones of the Cheesedogs to add to the other 32 C+'s this run.
                        Last edited by Alone; 04-17-2013, 12:47.

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                          #13
                          Nice looking plants mang. Looking at your pics and what you wrote made me think of my chemdog i grew outdoors. It had like 68 tops i could count. Man i loved that plant.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Alone View Post
                            Thanx for all your help and advice on trying to increase my yields and get a better quality garden. Im excited even more for this next grow.
                            Ill know the sex by next week of the 2 Cheesedogs I have. The 2 Fuels are males. I would love to be able to take 8 clones of the Cheesedogs to add to the other 32 C+'s this run.
                            Really appreciate the positive comments. You know you are doing something right when you start to have a influence on other growers. When people mimic your style that is a compliment all in itself. I certainly did NOT invent this technique..I have just found what works best for my particular style and needs.(few numbers, larger plants, high yield, fairly low wattage)
                            I have another friend from the net that started with a 600 watt in a bat wing, no filter and passive intake. He is seeing the results I am achieving and has completley switched over to 2 aircooled hoods with 600 watts each, mixed spectrum, 6 inch, 465 cfm exhaust. Now he is grilling me about my nutrients and procudures. Love it when people actually get the results they are looking for by making a switch. I have no problem giving advice. I am amazed at how many do not take it. The only issue is that not everyone will get the same results, there are just too many variables.
                            Like I said in your Critical+ grow. You have nalied it with your ideas about vegging simultaneously with flower to achieve similar results. I am going to do the same thing when I start back up. The results speak for themselves.
                            Good luck, things are looking good with your GDP.
                            Bring back the Skunks, Sours and the Gas...screw the sweets!
                            Link to my 640 watt Pacific Light Concepts completed LED build.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=373425
                            Link to my completed GG4 and 2005 bag seed in RDWC diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=362280
                            Link to my completed Blue Dream(Blueberry Indica X Sativa Haze) DWC adventure diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=354631
                            Link to my completed GG#4(Chems Sis X Sour Dub X Chocolate Diesel) and mixed strain grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=329541
                            Link to my completed Northern Lights & Chemdog grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....54#post5714154
                            Link to my completed Super Silver Goo(Afgooey X SSHaze) grow diary.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=250183
                            Link to my completed MKUltra(OG Kush X G-13) grow diary. 4 runs. Also my first bagseed run here on IC.
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235661

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                              #15
                              Wow, talk about good light intensity and penetration - the Chemdog is extremely bushy! I really like the look of your garden, soon you may need a wire cage to support all the colas!

                              Thanks for the explanation, I was asking about the flowering ones - I found that more roots = more buds, with coco being the medium requiring a bit less volume. Did you try upping up the pot's size in your previous grows?
                              "The surest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that no one has tried to contact us"

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