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    #16
    Still no one knows what specificlly causes this? What if you got it and you were not using organics? I got this problem while using concentrated Green Fuse Root Stimulator. I know that is not organic. Has to be something else causing this.

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      #17
      I have also been having problems with some kind of root slime. Mine is a darker brown but it's some type of slime nonetheless. My water temps are usually between 66-71F. The only thing I'm using is flora nova grow, the bottle of which was opened over a year ago. I first saw the symptoms when I was using my nutes + hygrozyme (also over a year since I opened it). I changed the nutes and this time just used my flora nova grow 1 part nutes and it started to grow back. I recently painted the buckets black to make them lightproof and it still seems to be slowly getting worse. I think I'm gonna try some of that Physan 20, and possibly buy new nutes. Anyone that has more info on what might be causing this would be greatly appreciated.


      EDIT/UPDATE: I've concluded that this is NOT brown algae, this is root rot from not enough oxygen in the water (needed a better air pump).


      Last edited by icough2getoff; 01-20-2008, 04:52. Reason: added update so i don't mislead

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        #18



        Jump directly to post #1230 for the consolidation. Everything you need about the slime is there. Click the link.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55259&page=82

        We have the pictures, the testimonials, and the proof that the slime can be beat and it does have a scientific name.


        GOT SLIME ???

        So you got slimed... WELCOME TO THE SLIME HATERS CLUB

        The solution and everything you need to know about the dreaded hydro herpe correctly named brown slime algae (a misnomer because it's actually a cyanobacteria) is here and within this thread.

        From 2007 thru 2009, the unknown snot slime was first correctly named and documented here, its source was first discovered and documented here, and the solution to defeating it was first discovered and documented here. If you think you are going crazy because you are slimed right now, imagine 5 LONG years of an unknown slime from hell wreaking havoc upon you.

        That's exactly what I went thru and I never gave up. At the time I had no website or forums to find the answers, nor anything on the slime. The only thread anywhere was this one started one month before I found it because they were all asking what this snot slime was themselves. I discovered what this slime from hell was and I discovered how to slay it.

        I documented my quest here, so no other person shall have to suffer the untold misery it can cause. I would wish this on no person. I was gone from here a good long while and I have seen how the discoveries here have gone wide and far because it works wonders. I should have known hydro/garden manufacturers and retailers would take advantage of this thread. I have seen them selling teas of the same recipe and crazy expensive contraptions to brew tea. All you need is a $3 dollar five gallon bucket and my original tea recipe. Don't get fooled by the manufacturers and retailers. Little do they know I have been a busy bee while I've been gone for the past few years. I have awesome customized tea recipes for hydro systems and my own contraptions that do much more than just brew tea. When the time is right I will reveal.

        This thread is epic, so do read through the entire thread when you can if you want to know all the details and other ways to deal with this dreaded problem, and other problems too. You will have no further questions once you read it all. This will be one of, if not the best thread about growing mmj you will have ever read.

        An immense amount of credit is due to all the other icmag members that contributed their blood, sweat, tears, and time, so let's give credit where credit is due. As for me, you can thank me by posting your success stories and before and after pictures. Those type of posts are truly satisfying.

        There are a lot of pictures and success stories contained within this thread. The results with an EZ Cloner are nothing short of amazing. You will learn a lot and that's a promise.

        The following pictures are of your enemy the brown slime algae (aka: hydro herpe, snot slime, hydro nasty, slimy cyano).



        You must get your yourself a bottle of Physan20. To sterilize and clean your system and equipment use Physan20 at 3mL per 25gallons. Unscented regular bleach is fine if you do not have Physan20, but do get it asap.

        When you have a crop that is on life support and you think it might be salvageable, you can run Physan20 (not bleach) through a hydro system with plants in it. Run it through the system for no more than 6 hours and dump it, then flush with clean water, and then make a new rez. That is how you sterilize your system from the slime and everything else.

        The next step is to make a compost/ewc tea according to my recipe. You can use the tea in hydro systems, rockwool, soil, coco, etc.. All plant types and all types of growing media benefit tremendously. Besides keeping away the slime, we are replicating mother nature by attempting to provide all the beneficial microbes that are found naturally in soil.

        Okay, now on to the RichyRich Tea Recipe and Instructions:

        1. Put 4 gallons of RO water or bottled water in a 5 gallon bucket.
        2. Add an air stone to the bucket with an air pump.
        3. Any pump is fine.
        4. If you only have tap water, bubble the tap water for 24 hours with the air stone to get rid of the chlorine.
        5. The chlorine will kill the good microbes you are attempting to brew.
        6. Add the following to the bucket directly or put it in a sock, nylon, mesh bag, etc. and hang it into the bucket.
        7. Add 2 to 3 handfuls (or cups) of earth worm castings or Ancient Forest which is even better or go for a mix of both.
        8. Add 25mL of liquid carbo load or molasses per 24 hours of planned brew time.
        9. As an alternative use 1tsp of powder carbo load or brown cane sugar per 24 hours of planned brew time.
        10. Add 1/2 to 1 scoop of ZHO powdered microbes.
        11. Add 1/2 to 1 scoop of Great White powdered microbes.
        12. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
        13. add 30 to 100mL of Aquashield
        14. Bubble your brew for 24-48 hours and no longer.
        15. Separate the solids with cheese cloth, a t-shirt, etc. and put in a clean container.
        16. When it is brewing you will see frothing usually by the 12th hour.
        17. The frothing indicates you have active good microbes growing.
        18. When the frothing diminishes that means your microbes are about done with their food (the sugar product you added).
        19. That is good and is where you want to be.
        20. You do not want to be adding any unused sugar remaining in your brewed tea when you add the tea to the rez.
        21. That unused sugar will be a food source for the slime.
        22. You must fridge your left over brewed tea.
        23. You can fridge your tea for 7 to10 days.
        24. Always give your tea a sniff test before you add it to your rez.
        25. If your tea ever smells rank then get rid of it.
        26. Your tea should smell earthy.
        27. Don't worry about screwing up your tea mixture.
        28. It's almost fool proof as long as you do not add too much of a sugar product.
        29. For a new fresh rez you will add tea at a rate of 1 to 3 cups per 10 gallons.
        30. In between rez clean outs you will add 1 cup of tea per 10 gallons every 3rd day to replenish the microherd army.
        31. During a rez clean out, do not dump out your entire rez because you will keep 1 gallon per 10 gallons unless your rez is infected.
        32. Make your new rez preferably with all chem ferts and not organic ferts.
        33. Do not use enzyme products such as hygrozyme, sensizyme, etc. as these break down dead organic matter which are a known source of food (jet fuel) for the brown slime algae.
        34. You can use the zyme products and organic ferts once you become more advanced.
        35. Do not add sugar products such as carbo load directly to your rez unless you want to cause a slime explosion.
        36. Remember to keep it simple (KISS: keep it simple stupid).
        37. Don't over think everything or it will drive you crazy.
        38. Last, enjoy explosive white furry roots and massive yields.

        Enlarge the pictures to see the recipe products and a frothy batch of tea brewing.



        Don't worry about precision and having every product in the recipe. If you were to make a tea with just earth worm castings and molasses to get by until you can get the rest of the products, you will do okay. The main thing you are attempting to do is provide a plentiful amount of good microbes to outplace the bad microbes and especially the slime from getting a foothold and taking over your system and/or rez.

        For those of you that prefer to grow in a dead rez, that is growing completely sterile, you will find how to do that within this thread. I also found success with UV lighting to combat the slime and there are additional success stories too. Going sterile as such is effective but I advocate using my tea recipe and instructions instead because nothing is better than getting close to replicating mother nature. With tea, the plants are more hardier, more resistant to stress, and the root masses get much much larger. In short the roots are amazing. A larger root mass equals a larger yield!


        Last edited by richyrich; 03-22-2014, 23:46.

        Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


        GOT SLIME ?
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

        So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


        RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
        1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
        2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
        3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
        4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
        5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
        6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
        7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
        8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
        9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
        10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
        11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
        12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

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          #19
          The following pictures are of my roots that were given this magical tea. The water temps did not matter. I cloned with temps at 84 degrees F. Some got away with temps higher up to 89 degrees F. That is a death sentence for cuts/clones in an ez cloner.

          This is a tea treated ez cloner at day 5.



          This is the same cloner at day 6.



          And the cloner at day 8.



          This is a tea treated DWC net pot system. This was day 3 after putting the clones in the net pot from the cloner.



          This is a tea treated medium less hydro system with net pots. This was day 5 after putting the clones in the net pot from the cloner.


          No product on the current market can compete with these results!!!



          Last edited by richyrich; 03-22-2014, 23:20.

          Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


          GOT SLIME ?
          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

          So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


          RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
          1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
          2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
          3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
          4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
          5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
          6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
          7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
          8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
          9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
          10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
          11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
          12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

          sigpic

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            #20
            good old H202 .. natures best... good luck

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              #21
              Richyrich: You post describes my scenario to a tee. I had to scrap the last grow it got so bad. I tried massive amounts of h202, & sm90, but nothing did it. I couldn't get physan 20 round here so i cant comment on that. Bleach works well and lots of scrubbing.

              I'm on the second time around with the chiller and a res like "river rapids". Advanced GMB /w fulvic acid. Water is crystal clear so far but i spent some money on a nice external filter. HOpefully everything continues well.

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                #22
                go buy yourself some silicon product like dyna-gro protekt. it will take care of the slime no problem. one the rot has set in, its hard to save em, but if you start your grow using protekt, no problems.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by its420eh
                  Richyrich: You post describes my scenario to a tee. I had to scrap the last grow it got so bad. I tried massive amounts of h202, & sm90, but nothing did it. I couldn't get physan 20 round here so i cant comment on that. Bleach works well and lots of scrubbing.

                  I'm on the second time around with the chiller and a res like "river rapids". Advanced GMB /w fulvic acid. Water is crystal clear so far but i spent some money on a nice external filter. HOpefully everything continues well.
                  BROWN ALGAE!!!!!!!! It's our problem. I dont think folks here know that it is not root rot. There is not much info here. I just read your whole thread on your issues. Nothing gets rid of it. Right now I my pH is slowly rising every day. No sign of the slime, but I know its around because of the pH. I have always used RO water and my pH always stays rock solid until I changed to flood buckets and to a different resevoir.

                  Research the brown algae on the net. You will find that it likes organics and dont even need much light if any. Most advice for root rot is not going to cut it. Most info on brown algae is gonna be found along with aquarium talk. I am gonna find the physan 20 and try that. Also, the aquarium talk says to use antibiotics. Its algae, not root rot. Disregard all info for root rot because it is gonna drive you crazy. I have had a chiller always this whole time set at 64-65. Rot dont live in that. It is algae. BROWN ALGAE. Its a mother f**cker.

                  Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


                  GOT SLIME ?
                  https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

                  So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


                  RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
                  1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
                  2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
                  3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
                  4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
                  5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
                  6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
                  7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
                  8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
                  9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
                  10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
                  11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
                  12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

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                    #24


                    Nute resevoir light proofed. RO water container light proofed. Chiller and nutes as seen.




                    Had adjusted pH 4 hours prior, went from 5.7 to 6.0 in that time. This is happening with RO water. That is not suppose to be happening. Everything else is perfect. Notice one airline from air pump. That is going into the venuri of the 400gph pump sitting at the bottom of my resevoir recirculating. Pump on chiller also recirculating.





                    Controller light proofed and converted to 5 gallon bucket.



                    Sour D making a come back.

                    No rot is gonna live in this environment. F**kin brown algae.

                    Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


                    GOT SLIME ?
                    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

                    So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


                    RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
                    1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
                    2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
                    3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
                    4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
                    5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
                    6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
                    7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
                    8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
                    9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
                    10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
                    11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
                    12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

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                      #25
                      What type/concentration of H2O2 did you use?
                      Some guy named Sig lives here. To tell you the truth he don't come around much.

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                        #26
                        2ml per gallon. I went double on it. 35% H2O2

                        Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


                        GOT SLIME ?
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

                        So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


                        RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
                        1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
                        2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
                        3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
                        4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
                        5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
                        6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
                        7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
                        8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
                        9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
                        10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
                        11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
                        12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

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                          #27
                          I think I have been growing with this algae the whole time. How is the H2O2 working? I thought algae needed light to live though.? Its the primordial ooze. following this thread now, thanks guys!

                          payn

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by payn4school
                            I think I have been growing with this algae the whole time. How is the H2O2 working? I thought algae needed light to live though.? Its the primordial ooze. following this thread now, thanks guys!

                            payn
                            Does not kill the algae. Physan 20 or Triple Action.
                            5ml per 52 gallons.

                            There should be a whole thread dedicated to this crap, brown algae. It mimics root rot and hundreds of us probably think it is. Its an algae that almost seems impossible to get rid of. I know root rot is an umbrella meaning for any root disease which is always mostly bacterial.

                            There needs to be a clear distinctions between this brown algae and general bacterial or fungal caused root rot. This algae can thrive in lots of oxygen and poor or minimal light and likes to eat on organics.
                            Do a google on it.

                            H2O2 35%
                            sm90
                            root excelurator
                            hydorguard
                            sensizyme
                            hygrozyme
                            pirahna
                            sub culture
                            voodoo juice
                            zone
                            water chiller
                            massive bubbles

                            did it all and didnt work. For the last year I have been battling what I thought was root rot. Now, when I think about it, it was from not light proofing my 55 gallon blue drum that holds my new filtered RO water. Tainted water every res change. What a bitch.

                            Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


                            GOT SLIME ?
                            https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

                            So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


                            RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
                            1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
                            2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
                            3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
                            4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
                            5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
                            6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
                            7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
                            8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
                            9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
                            10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
                            11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
                            12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

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                              #29


                              This is what grows in less than 24 hours. This was after a bath of 2ml per gallon of 35% H2O2. It looks like a brown loogie. Its thick and slimy. Does not pull apart easily. I would say this fits the meaning of brown slime algae. Notice it looks like jelly or the loog. Its not no settling of nutes. I use advanced nutes, no organics. For some reason it likes to first grow on my probe. The probe dangles about half way in the drum. It does not touch the bottom. I cant wait to order physan. I am gonna go to Petco and buy some algaecide and see what happens.

                              Just think brown loogie as you look at these.




                              Copyright © 2006-2016 by RichyRich. All original academic, researched, formulative, intellectual, inventive, and inter alia production(s) of RichyRich is/are copyrighted. All rights are claimed reserved without prejudice.


                              GOT SLIME ?
                              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=282319

                              So you are slimed. . . quickly make and use RichyRich Hydro Tea!


                              RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
                              1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
                              2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
                              3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
                              4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
                              5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield/Hydroguard.
                              6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
                              7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
                              8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
                              9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
                              10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
                              11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
                              12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield.

                              sigpic

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                                #30
                                I just checked out the Physan 20. Read all the instructions, seems that one TEAspoon per gallon is a good dose unless under heavy attack, than 1-2 TABLEspoons per gallon.

                                I didnt see any info regaurding reducing feeding amount or anything, so I can assume it wont have much affect on that, just dont want to burn or some shit.

                                Where are you getting yours from AR? Im about to order a gallon off gaybay for 46 bucks shipped. seems reasonable.

                                this is great info to know!!!@#!@#@!@@!@
                                payn

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