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    This plant looked dead couple weeks ago due to broad mites. Other then 1 spray of zone it got plain ro sprayed daily and became lush. You can see some older fan leaf damage, but most old fan leaves i've removed.


    I attempted the heat treat but only got to 97. It was so bad you could even see them crawling on the new growth without lens, yet there is no leaf spotting as you'd see for spider mites.

    Ive added Aspirin and so far its done nothing but lower ph, and new growth that was aimed upwards is now laying more flat.

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  • oldmanriver1
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    does anyone know if ogb kills predator mites specifically neo califorcornis ?

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  • oldmanriver1
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    cheers s.o.d , lol this gets better and better movento in a 2.5lt is just over 600 bucks.
    is kontos around the same over there?

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  • RetroGrow
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    Originally posted by Storm Shadow View Post
    http://pestheat.com/

    Heat Treatments work... You just have to do it right...its a good kickstart to knock everything off while the Kontos does it systemic magic...

    I'm growing a variety of all kinds of genetics right now...and I'll continue to post pics on my thread of ladies that have ZERO problems...

    BM's can be defeated with ease.. You cant hide from Systemic Chems

    Buying clones is a bad idea ...buy seeds... treat with kontos from day one... and enjoy the cruise control all the way to harvest
    I have found that heat treatments, if done properly, ie., temperatures @ the canopy are dialed in, that no chemicals are necessary, as the heat treatments can be repeated if new mites are entering the room. Naturally, you need the equipment to do the job and must monitor temperatures and play around with it until you are dialed in. But to each his own. I would rather spend the time dialing in the treatment than buying chems. But that's just me.

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  • Some old dude
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    Movento

    Originally posted by oldmanriver1 View Post
    i just checked out bayers aust site and can get a product called movento which looks like it is classed a food grade product of kontos with 240g/l of spirotetramat as the active ingredient .
    Movento is sytstemic is kontos the same? thanks for any help
    From my research Movento is the exact same as Kontos but like you said its the commercial agro approved for fruit and veg version being at less concentration than Kontos the same way Oberon is to Forbid /Judo. I would still be carefull as any chem systemic has a relatively long residual in fact I could not get a straight answer when I talked to the manufacturer on the phone. There is some limitation regarding use for what they refer to as "Greenhouse transplants" and fruit bearing tree's. But i'm sure Storm will be able to help you in the chemical area. And I would say about your efforts so far is .You most likely got re-infested by some form of "Vector" bringing the mite back into the sterilized area if it was properly cleaned and OGB used.(I use a separate pair of shoes when I go to the grow store and keep them in the back of my truck not to transfer anything even into the cab of my truck)What I did was heat 4 hrs 120 degrees in empty flower room,did the same in empty mother room, grew from seeds, used OGB twice a week for three weeks ,then once a week for two months (while new mothers where growing) also did heat treatment a couple times on mothers 120 degrees for an hour , and finally OGB twice a month as preventive maintenance.Scope twice a week , clean now for one year. Ect,Ect,All the very best, and good luck.

    I may as well add I had also put predator mite sachets (100 sachets) every month for three months in the outside areas and sprayed the few plants around the immediate area outside with OGB.

    I really, really hate to say this but if your absolutely positive you have BM's again if it where me i'd start over and cut the loss's (time and money) having been through "DuD hell" a couple times.Sorry, I feel your pain.

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  • oldmanriver1
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    i just checked out bayers aust site and can get a product called movento which looks like it is classed a food grade product of kontos with 240g/l of spirotetramat as the active ingredient .
    Movento is sytstemic is kontos the same? thanks for any help

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  • oldmanriver1
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    i joined the bm party over a year ago they pretty much wrecked my last 2 grows after treating with neem oil ,heat treatment . predators mites.
    So i shutdown for around 4 months . bombed the growspace heat treated , cleaned bleached
    left dormant for months then repeated process .

    Started from seed again and have used ogb foliar and into around week 5 and the little pricks are back.

    Heat treating the plants as i write , feeling like i am pushing shit uphill atm. I possibly need to increase my rh when i apply ogb i sprayed them early on [week 1 or 2} then again 1 week ago

    Does anyone know where i can get this kontos in australia? Having a hard time finding it ,seems like my last option left.

    sigh cheers

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  • Avinash.miles
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    ^^^

    good advice storm shadow, i experienced a similar thing with the hemp russet mites... damaged plants were just that... damaged, permanently.

    in addition to SAR for increasing plant immune responses, I felt like i had good results from harpin proteins.

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  • Storm Shadow
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    I'm sure if I stopped my treatments I'd be fine...but still not risking it regardless... my biggest lesson was to stay away from clones... Your moms can look healthy ...clone perfect...and you'll think all systems go... but when I refer to DUDS... you cant tell until you've flowered out the plant.. its around the 3 week mark into 12/12 you realize the plant is a DUD ..

    Every strain reacts different to this BM Toxin... OG Kush is by far the clone that duds the most .... Start from seed ... you wont regret it .. clone game has taken a huge shit in Cali...

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  • knubs
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    Originally posted by Storm Shadow View Post
    http://pestheat.com/

    Heat Treatments work... You just have to do it right...its a good kickstart to knock everything off while the Kontos does it systemic magic...

    I'm growing a variety of all kinds of genetics right now...and I'll continue to post pics on my thread of ladies that have ZERO problems...

    BM's can be defeated with ease.. You cant hide from Systemic Chems

    Buying clones is a bad idea ...buy seeds... treat with kontos from day one... and enjoy the cruise control all the way to harvest

    Hey Storm, it sounds like you've been rid of broad mites for a little while now. do you think if you stopped treating for a month that they would come back?


    so far my rooms look like they are clean of BM's. my flower girls look amazing and my veg room is starting to look really good! i even have some strains from PO that were totally dudded and they are starting to come back now. i have had a skunk #1 clone in a cup for months and it just never really did anything (the strain was badly dudded when i got it from po). now all the sudden within the past week it filled the cup with roots, threw out some 5 finger leaves and now she is growing. it took a while for the toxins to wear off, but it seems like it all of the sudden did. also my earthshaker og's that i got from PO are looking great. i have a decent sized mom now that is growing very nicely, but i still see the toxins bleeding out through her. there are mutated messed up looking leaves coming out here and there.

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  • Some old dude
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    Immediate

    Originally posted by RetroGrow View Post
    Remember it's an advertisement, and they are pumping it up. I do not believe that it stimulates immune system as well as aspirin, since aspirin, acetylsalicylic acid, breaks down to salicylic acid, which happens to be the component of the plant's immune system which is present naturally.
    Salicylic acid (SA) is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant growth and development, photosynthesis, transpiration, ion uptake and transport. SA also induces specific changes in leaf anatomy and chloroplast structure. SA is involved in endogenous signaling, mediating in plant defense against pathogens. It plays a role in the resistance to pathogens by inducing the production of pathogenesis-related proteins. It is involved in the systemic acquired resistance (SAR) in which a pathogenic attack on one part of the plant induces resistance in other parts. The signal can also move to nearby plants by salicylic acid being converted to the volatile ester, methyl salicylate.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid
    So, you can see why aspirin should always be in your rez. It's not JUST an immune booster, but also a growth booster.
    I have noticed plants do seem to have an almost immediate good response to aspirin.Helped me out before with duds.

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  • RetroGrow
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    Originally posted by Jahfreeze View Post
    I have a problem with this thread. It's basicly instructing people to create mites. All these chemicals are not being used properly. Studys have shown miticides do more harm then good. The purpose of a miticide is to knock down colony. After effective knock down you incorporate an ipm. If you are an indoor grower i recommend destroying yr plants. Predator mites will supress spread not avid or any other chemicaI. I can tell you right now there is absolutely no remedy for broad mites. If you have BM you are fully infected and there is absolutely no cure unless you completely shut down. You have to rid all plant matter from grow. BM dont eat carbon. They dont lay eggs on polly. They dont hang out on concrete or carpet. They dont lay eggs on plastic or rubber. They will suppress in soil and leaf matter.The problem is people trying to save geno.. there is no cure. You will never rid grow of eggs or nymph unless you completely shut down. If you do decide to treat w chemicals you have a .07% chance of completely riding yr grow. There is no entomologist on the planet that will recommend treating BM w chemicals on cannabis. You WILL spend racks trying to fight.. I will throw away clone only strains and grow train wreck for a whole year and make more money then anyone battling BM. If you gamble and decide to drop racks to treat... youll still have better odds winning the lottery.
    People need to stop treating BM. Theres no cure.
    You got BM from buying treated/non treated clones.... or yr grow is located near a source. Look in yr yard. Spend the racks cutting down yr neighbors mited out citrus tree. Study ipm. If you run prepetual grow incorporate predator mites. The chemicals will not work. Heat treatments do not work unless you manage heat. Biowar only works on correct humidity levels and still will never fully rid. I know most if you will treat w avid and sale cuts to buffer loss but remember the guy that bought yr cuts will get BM... he will treat w chemicals.. sale the herb to someone you know. Slowly kill yr homie... and never rid mite..It will get worse and spread. Super mite. Do the right thing. Burn yr plants. Clean everything.. find the source.
    Tons of disinformation in your post. I'm not going to waste time or space pointing out each wrong thing you posted, but suffice to say, you are WRONG. It most certainly IS possible to get rid of BM, by several methods, which has been proven by many here. Heat alone will get rid of them, as will OGBiowar, as will some chems, if you choose to use them. Personally, I am biased against chems, but if used properly in veg only, some peeps have had success with them, unless you believe all those people reporting success are lying, which I don't. You need to read the entire thread over again, if you even read it the first time.
    Last edited by RetroGrow; 10-15-2013, 04:25.

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  • Storm Shadow
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    http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extensi...isc/Vallad.swf

    This is a great read...breaks down SAR

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  • Storm Shadow
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    not to mention there are hundreds of Peer Reviewed Journals online discussing how amazing Giant Knotweed Extract is for plant growth.. Lots of scientific proof of what it does...

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