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    Spider Mite CONTROLS... Try This...

    http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/...roponic-pests/
    Spider Mites Suck!

    By Urban Garden Magazine ⋅ August 5, 2009 ⋅ Email This Post Print This PostPost a comment
    Filed Under Issue 6, ladybugs, pests, pyrethrum, Raul del Cerro, spider mites, Technogarden
    Raul del Cerro at Technogarden Inc. shares his tried and tested tips for tackling one of the most feared and loathed enemies of all indoor gardeners – the spider mite. We learn what they are, what they do to your plants, and how to make them die! DIE! DIE! DIE!!!
    Spider Mites. Everybody gets them and everybody gets rid of them … eventually. After being infiltrated by spider mites more than once … most growers get serious.
    First, allow me to break some harsh news. The number one rule for avoiding spider mites is … don’t accept plant gifts from your friends. If their plant genetics are just too tempting to pass up then I recommend putting the imported seedlings or cuttings into quarantine for a minimum of six months. Sound a little Draconian to you? Well, remember, most gardeners report that they discovered mites a short time after they accepted plants from a fellow grower. If you accept cuttings from other growers then your indoor garden is only as clean as theirs.
    A note on cleanliness: your indoor garden and your house in general need to be AT LEAST as clean as a dentist’s office. Professional and commercial indoor growers are obsessive about cleanliness. Take a page out of their book.
    Why are Spider Mite Attacks so Devastating?
    An indoor garden can be paradise for all types of plant pests because of the lack of natural controls and predatory bugs (unless these are introduced by the grower). But spider mites are particularly vicious and can cause severe injury to your plants in a very short time. So what do they actually do?
    A healthy plant regulates its water retention and transpiration through its leaves. A leaf contains a vast array of stomata that open and close like valves according to environmental conditions, allowing water to escape or to be retained. This moisture regulation is absolutely vital to a plant’s health. When the stomata are closed, the surface of a leaf is highly resistant to water loss. This is part of your plant’s life-support system. And guess what? Spider mites completely screw it up!
    Leaves that have been attacked by spider mites are usually dry, brittle and discolored. Even a minor spider mite infestation can have a significant impact on a plant's productivity.

    Spider mites feed by piercing the leaf surface and extracting leaf cells and fluid. What was once the plant’s protective, waterproof casing quickly becomes punctured with thousands of tiny holes. Your plants sense they are losing too much moisture all of a sudden and close their stomata – but it’s no use as the moisture is still being lost through the holes made by those evil critters! The injured leaves continue to become dehydrated and lose significantly more water. The effect snowballs as the plant’s ability to photosynthesize and repair itself diminishes through sustained attack. Leaves die and fall off. The plant becomes weaker and weaker until it eventually gives up the ghost. Major infestations show up quickly given the right conditions. Plants that looked healthy two days ago can suddenly be covered in fine spider webs.
    And then it gets worse. The moisture stress caused by spider mite feeding actually makes the leaves taste better to the mites! Stressed leaves are sweeter and contain higher levels of soluble nitrogen. Both sugar and nitrogen are favorite delicacies on the spider mite menu.
    A Tiny Mo Foe
    Novice growers are continually astounded that something so small can wreak such a huge amount of havoc. Yes, spider mites are small. Really, really small. The female is only 1/50 of an inch long and the male is even smaller. They are mere specks when seen crawling on the undersurface of leaves. The adult has eight legs and is usually pale green or amber / yellow. Under a microscope they appear to have two (occasionally four) black spots. Young mites are six-legged. After two periods of molting and resting, they become adults and have eight legs. Generations may be completed in 5 to 40 days. If you don’t own a jeweler’s loupe, you should consider buying one. They are fairly inexpensive.
    Spider mites are so tiny that they can float in on a breeze! They can therefore easily migrate from other plants that you may have in your house to your indoor garden. Mites will go dormant, even when pregnant. They will hitch a ride on your shoes and clothes and on your Rottweiller. Savvy growers cover all air intakes with a bug screen. Often you can buy these at your local indoor gardening store, or you can fashion one yourself with an ultra-fine mesh silkscreen or stainless steel screen. Just make sure it is 180 microns or less.
    Tech Tip
    Before you go cover all your intake and exhausts with 180-micron stainless steel screen, know that the screen is only 33% open area and so generates a great deal of air resistance. If you don’t take this into account you will cut down your CFMs of airflow and up the static pressure of your room’s air handling system(s). In order to get to what is called (Net Free Air) or (CFMs corrected for louver / screen / etc impingement) air flow you need to oversize the penetration / duct, so do the math. I usually like to oversize and go four times bigger than the ductwork for the 180-micron screened vent penetration.
    Prevention, Control and Cure
    “So how do I get rid of spider mites?” – this question is asked time and time again and the answer is an issue of hot debate and contention among indoor gardeners. There are so many different approaches and philosophies when it comes to pest management, with some growers invariably being willing to resort to more extreme measures than others.
    Obviously, as with all pests, prevention is better than cure. But tell that to somebody who’s just discovered an infestation and this little gem of wisdom is not likely to be greeted very philosophically. The choice of product you use also depends on where your plants are in terms of their lifecycle. One product that is good for vegetative plants may not be advisable to use if your plants are heavily flowering. If you are a couple weeks away from harvest, even if you have the serious infestation and have the web thing going on, knock the bugs down with cold water and finish the crop. Some studies have even shown increased yields with moderate levels of insect stress.
    Know Thine Enemy
    • Spider mites thrive in hot, dry conditions. Cooler, more humid conditions slow reproductive rates considerably.
    • Outdoors, spider mites are active in the spring and go dormant over winter. The risk of spider mites is always greater if you live in a region that does not freeze during the winter.
    Do the Rest of Us a Favor
    Before you go running to your grow store with your spider mite woes, remember to change your clothes and shoes. Grow stores often have problems with spider mites and other insect problems due to customers dragging them in on their shoes and clothes.
    Bombs Away
    Many growers who are not using predator mites use a total release fogger (aka ‘bomb’) to treat a spider mite infestation in an indoor garden. These products release an insecticide ‘fog’ using an aerosol propellant. If you are going to bomb your indoor garden, you may want to consider moving your houseplants into the room and bombing them too.
    The active ingredient of a total release fogger is Pyrethrum. Pyrethrum will kill adult mites but it will not kill the eggs. The gestation period of spider mites is temperature and humidity dependant, but most growers deploy a strategy of setting off multiple bombs three to five days apart. This will usually kill the adults and then the juvenile mites before they have had a chance to reproduce. I advise growers to go for three or four consecutive bombings depending on how close you are to harvest and how angry you are.
    Another important thing to consider is all Pyrethrums are not equal. Natural Pyrethrum bombs are made from Chrysanthemum plants; they are suitable for food crops. Synthetic Pyrethrums are not suitable for food crop production. Read the fine print on the label and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. UV (Ultraviolet) light reduces the insecticidal qualities of pyrethrum (most manufactures say in 14 days). However, if you are using High Pressure Sodium (HPS) lamps these put out virtually no UV light anyway.
    Remember, the bomb’s propellant will harm your plants if you do not position it correctly. Do not push the plunger of a bomb and set it in front of an oscillating fan, which is going to blow the propellant all over your plants. Before you set the bomb off, shut off your grow-lights and fans, place a small piece of cardboard under the bomb, hold your breath, hit the button, run out of the room and go for some drinks. It is safe to come back in a couple hours to turn the fans on.
    I tend to set off bombs as a preventative measure, when I flip (clean) the room in between crop cycles or … just if I feel like mites may be a threat.
    CAUTION: Systemic Pesticides and Consumable Crops
    If you are growing crops that you intend to consume, make sure that your pesticide is designed to be used for human consumption. Some systemic and residual pesticides (such as Floramite™ and Avid™) are not designed for food crops. Yes, they will kill mites and spider mites’ eggs, but the insecticide remains inside the crop; Avid™ is systemic which means it stays in the system of the plant and does not go away after time.
    Mother Nature’s Controls
    You can ask your grow store to purchase predatory bugs for you. Since they are live bugs most stores will require you to pre pay so they don’t get stuck with dead bugs if you forget show up in a couple days.
    Ladybugs will eat spider mites if there are no other insect treats around (such as aphids); if you drop several thousand ladybugs in your garden they will eat everything, including each other. I have seen desperate growers that have gone this route. The aftermath of this is dead ladybugs everywhere.
    Mighty Last Words
    The best overall advice I can offer is that healthy plants will repel insect attacks. I’m pleased to report that I’ve experienced no spider mite infestations in over a year, and that was on an ornamental banana tree. Treat your plants right and they’ll do the preventative work for you.

    Biological Control:
    TARGET: Spider Mites
    AGENT:
    Spider Mite Preds
    SPECIAL SKILL:
    Enjoys high humidity, breeds faster than spider mites.
    WEAPON ID:
    The three main spider mite preds are: Mesoseiulus longipes, Neoseiulus californicus, and Phytoseiulus persimilis. These are available as a triple-pack from some suppliers. Highly recommended.
    BRIEF:
    Spider mite predators are small mites that eat only Spider Mites. They not only feed on spider mites and their eggs, they also breed twice as fast! Each spider mite predator sucks the juice out of about five spider mites a day, or twenty of their eggs. Different species of spider mite predators have their own preferred temperature and humidity. If you use a mix then each type will seek out their preferred “zones” in the plant structure. Predator mites do best with warm temperatures and high humidity. The more moisture in the air the better. (Spider mites hate high humidity.) They move quicker and reproduce faster than the spider mites. For best results apply one predator for every five spider mites, so you best catch that infestation early or deploy them as a precautionary measure.
    Need extra reinforcements? Try Stethorus Punctillum. These specialist spider mite destroyers are actually tiny ladybugs which can eat more than 40 mites per day as adults. They eat spider mites at all stages and can find new infestations on their own by flying. Adult female spider mite destroyers lay up to 15 eggs per day. Just 100 spider mite destroyers are enough to start up a colony to protect an average home greenhouse.
    Puff and "B.Friendly"
    "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
    When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
    Thomas Clarkson
    "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
    Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

    #2
    good info people
    Puff and "B.Friendly"
    "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
    When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
    Thomas Clarkson
    "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
    Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

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      #3
      Couple of things

      Persimilis and I'm not sure about the other predator mites need higher humidity for the eggs to survive. You also want to get them in vermiculite as they are more hungry then the ones that come on grape leaves which also contains bad mites for food on the leaves. If you veg for a long time lower your temps to 80 and keep your humidity at 55-60% to slow down the pest mites. Again it'll help out Persimilis. Also once all the pest mites are gone the Persimilis will eat each other.

      Lady bugs can work BUT they'll eat the mites as a last resort food they work best on aphids.

      Pyrethrin based products work good. Best application rate would be to spray once every three days three times in a row and then re apply every 5-7 days. The only thing about Pyrethrin is that it can cause the spider mite to lay eggs when its hit with a Pyrethrin spray.

      Dr Doom bombs work good for a big knock down but with the new formulation of the carrying agent they seem to burn the leaves quite a bit more then they use to. Dr Doom Botanics works quite good and can be sprayed right onto the plants. Try to spray a few hours before lights come on as Pyrethrin is broken down in two hours by HID lights and also reduce leaf/hair damage.

      End All like products use canola oil as a carrying agent and will damage leaves if sprayed too often and can leave a nasty taste if used past the second week of flower.

      Safers soap works good by dissolving the outer shell of the mite/bug but again can damage leaves if used too often. Try to spray straight water in between application the remove the soap/oil.

      Konk 418 in a Konk dispenser set to dispense in 7-15 intervals can control most bugs pretty good. Just set one every few light. The Konk dispense is expensive and a cheaper alternative can be a Ona Mist dispenser (although not as good as the Konk one) with a Dr Doom metered spray inside of it.

      Spraying/misting water ever few days onto the plants goes a log way to keep mites down.

      Another good mix which can be found in the How To Super Charge Your Garden book is to mix 20ml's of 99% ISO alcohol and 30ml's of 30% hydrogen peroxide and some watting agent into 1 liter of water. Then spray away. It kills most bugs.

      I wish Growing Edge magazine was still around. Best hydroponics magazine there was.

      Two other good preventative products that will deter mites and other bugs with extracts from other plants. Nutrilife SM-90 and Each Juice Essential Spray.

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        #4
        bump
        Puff and "B.Friendly"
        "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
        When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
        Thomas Clarkson
        "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
        Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bud Bug View Post
          I wish Growing Edge magazine was still around. Best hydroponics magazine there was.
          Bud Bug

          Growing Edge Magazine - there's a new article published this morning.

          HTH

          CC
          One minute I held the key
          Next the walls were closed on me
          And I discoverd that my castles stand
          Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

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            #6
            my fav mag is Urban Garden
            always get good info from em
            Puff and "B.Friendly"
            "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
            When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
            Thomas Clarkson
            "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
            Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

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              #7
              Just discovered a new spider mite infestation in my flowering room, think they may have hitched a ride on a local grower... I jumped the gun and ordered 1500 lady bugs, only afterwards realizing that they did indeed sell them in smaller quantities. Oh well, only $6.50, just may have to find a new predator to take out the lady bugs.. maybe some frogs.

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                #8
                Originally posted by cracka magik View Post
                Just discovered a new spider mite infestation in my flowering room, think they may have hitched a ride on a local grower... I jumped the gun and ordered 1500 lady bugs, only afterwards realizing that they did indeed sell them in smaller quantities. Oh well, only $6.50, just may have to find a new predator to take out the lady bugs.. maybe some frogs.
                lol. they'll fly away when their food is gone.
                Puff and "B.Friendly"
                "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
                When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
                Thomas Clarkson
                "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
                Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Clackamas Coot View Post
                  Bud Bug

                  Growing Edge Magazine - there's a new article published this morning.

                  HTH

                  CC
                  Yah saw that when I checked out the site last night. Next pay day I'm buying the back issue package.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by B. Friendly View Post
                    my fav mag is Urban Garden
                    always get good info from em
                    Urban Garden(er) and Maximum Yield are not even in the same category as Growing Edge. This is the only magazine that had proper articles instead of infomercials. A lot of the info came from commercial green house solutions properly explained to hobby hydroponic gardeners on how they can use them in their gardens. One of the last few issues had an awesome write up about root rot and the benefits of D.O. in water.

                    I should add UG is an alright magazine and with the last couple of issues had improved with the quality of info, but its hard to read (crappy use of background with not very clear text) and a lot of fluff not related to the industry. They seem to be wanting to be a "mens" magazine or something.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by cracka magik View Post
                      Just discovered a new spider mite infestation in my flowering room, think they may have hitched a ride on a local grower... I jumped the gun and ordered 1500 lady bugs, only afterwards realizing that they did indeed sell them in smaller quantities. Oh well, only $6.50, just may have to find a new predator to take out the lady bugs.. maybe some frogs.
                      Couple off things about lady bugs. Get more then you need as they will kamikaze into the lights. Also if you don't give them a source of water they will dehydrate and die with in a few days. Spraying your plants and even leaving small containers of water around your plants will go a long ways to keep them alive.

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                        #12
                        Thanks Bud Bug, that's excellent advice! I think I'll be alright numbers wise with 1500. I think I may even be outnumbering the spider mites. I suppose I'll probably try and keep some of them to prevent another outbreak like this.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bud Bug View Post

                          Pyrethrin based products work good. Best application rate would be to spray once every three days three times in a row and then re apply every 5-7 days. The only thing about Pyrethrin is that it can cause the spider mite to lay eggs when its hit with a Pyrethrin spray.
                          Thanks everyone for all this great info.
                          Hey Bud Bug...I use neem oil with an organic soap (for sticky) while in veg...this works great but in my flower room I cannot use neem. Can I use this pyrethrin in flower? I do not want burnt leaves so I will not even ask about the bombs. This was all I could find for a reference right now. is this what you are talking about? If so, how far away in my room should I have this? I run 4k hps in flower.
                          Thanks in advance.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bud Bug View Post
                            Urban Garden(er) and Maximum Yield are not even in the same category as Growing Edge. .
                            Good to know, I'll take em serious and look em up
                            Puff and "B.Friendly"
                            "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"
                            When mankind first saw the necessity of government, it is probable that many had conceived the desire of ruling.
                            Thomas Clarkson
                            "The world runs on the initiative of about 5% of the people; the rest need orders. The consensus of the other 95% on the subject of one's relatonship with: government-banks-tax agencies-courts and corporations (all separate realms) is defective in that such inert abstractions have been accorded superiority over living beings.
                            Governments are transitory mental contrivances set up by the clever few for the purpose of living off the efforts of the trusting many - a generalization, yes, but also the TRUTH." Cracking the Code, 3rd edition

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bud Bug View Post
                              Urban Garden(er) and Maximum Yield are not even in the same category as Growing Edge. This is the only magazine that had proper articles instead of infomercials. A lot of the info came from commercial green house solutions properly explained to hobby hydroponic gardeners on how they can use them in their gardens. One of the last few issues had an awesome write up about root rot and the benefits of D.O. in water.
                              Bud Bug

                              Just a note about 'Growing Edge' magazine - this publication is out of Corvallis, Oregon by Tom Alexander

                              Tom was the original editor/publisher of a magazine back in the late 1980's known as 'Sinsimelia Tips' which was published 4 times per year. It made 'High Times' the joke that they continued.

                              Tom had a store in Corvallis known as 'Full Moon Garden Center' which morphed into 'Full Moon Publishing' that is the name of the publisher for 'Growing Edge' magazine.

                              If it weren't for 'Black Thursday' and the brutal aftermath, his magazine would have eventually buried 'High Times' - no contest.

                              CC
                              One minute I held the key
                              Next the walls were closed on me
                              And I discoverd that my castles stand
                              Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

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