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    Originally posted by George View Post
    Originally posted by DocTim420 View Post
    Its cool...obviously I hit a nerve.

    BTW, I am not the one the chimed in this thread about a product that is not available to purchase on the internet. Standing by my words--"We will have to take your word for it".

    Fuckin lame dude. You sound like all the new kids these days trying to grow. Jesus Christ.

    To everyone else, there are many different types of aphids and most species develope a winged form. Just cause you see a winged aphid does not make it a winged *root* aphid! I say this because I see so many people misidentify their pests it's ridiculous, then they go rummaging around looking at roots when the answer is in the leaves or vice versa depending on your pest. How many times have you seen someone say x and x product doesn't work, then they post up a picture of the pest and you're just like

    Everyone needs help at some point, I asked for help a while back, it's normal, but come on. unfortunately we need legalization and the raping of the plant WE as a group saved through prohibition because dudes just don't care. Spraying shit all over the god damn place like it has no effect on anything else. I use chemicals too, I'm no organic farmer, but there are judgement calls to make with this shit. I have citrus trees with aphids, but I don't go feeding them Imid because I knew the flowers were ready to show. Bees fly around here like drunk birds with no aim and direction because of people that have access to these chemicals and have no idea how to properly use them. Whatever, ending my rant, shouldn't of even posted it but I'm venting so fuck it
    Did I offend you in a prior life?

    My quote and your accompanying rant appear to be 100% disconnected. If I stated unequivocally, that something was available on the internet and you discovered that it wasn't...what would you do? Call me out on it on my bullshit or give me a "thumbs up"?

    I called the guy out on his bullshit...if that offends you, then I guess you are one monster sized snowflake that bruises easily!
    Last edited by DocTim420; 02-27-2017, 02:15. Reason: Added my post which he quoted.

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      For anyone interested, I believe I've finally identified my pest. Looks to be some kind of shore fly. A pretty innocuous insect to have compared to RA or broad mites. Kinda weird to find adults from the dispensary, but maybe they came from outside or under the house.
      The shore fly photo in this link is closest to what I got going on. Stumbled on it by mistake googling to see how effective botanigard is for fungus gnats.
      Good luck to everyone battling RA! I beat them back in '07 by cutting my stock up, dipping them in avid and line drying them before putting them in rw cubes to root out. Then cleaned the shit outta my rooms with 1:1 beach/water mixture with some safer's in there too. Fuckers decimated my aeroponics scene back then.
      http://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/fungusgnats.htm

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        A)How bad was your infestation and what effects have you observed in your plants/grow?

        Pretty bad. Bugs were crawling everywhere.

        B)Have you grown the same way before with success or with the same problems? Have you grown a different way before with success or the same problems?

        Growing in soil and perlite. Organic ferts and mushroom compost. Have grown with success last season. Was hit with spider mites at some point but it wasn't that bad.

        C)Have you treated them before (if so, how and what were your results/conclusions)

        Nope. Only treatment I gave them this season was a bit of dishwashing liquid and veggie oil.
        I also gave them a few sprays of aspirin water (hoping this will be my saving grace now).

        D)What type of medium/nutrients and what type of setup (hand water, ebb/flow etc)

        Soil (simple bag) + perlite + mushroom compost. Been feeding them with Seasol seaweed solution and Powerfeed. Added some Dynamic Lifter (organic) at some point.
        In terms of nutrients, they never showed any burn or deficiency. I believed I had a really good balance until the infestation showed itself.

        Conditions: It rained 17/24 days. After about 3-4 days of rain I moved them under cover to avoid waterlogging. This is when symptoms started showing.

        Damage: Yellowing of lower leaves at first. I thought it was a nitrogen deficiency because it was early flowering. I resisted adding significant amounts to avoid problems.
        Tips started burning as if they were over fertilised. New growth tips were slightly twisted.
        I initially thought it was a lockout due to the wet so I gave them a few foliar sprays of low N plus PK.
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=339512
        I started a thread in the infirmary about it as well.

        I have added pics for what they look like.

        I've also uploaded a Youtube video.
        https://youtu.be/pXUPvTdrwCU

        There seem to be three different types of bug. I'm not 100% sure they are aphids. The winged ones definitely look like winged root aphids.
        I only saw them yesterday scurrying across the top soil.
        I nuked all 4 pots with Imid last night (one is about 25 days into flower and the others are 7 days in).
        There has been a dramatic decrease in their activity. I struggled to find any today but they are still around in small amounts. I will wait a few days before giving a significant spray of potassium + fatty acids.

        Can anyone confirm or deny these are aphids? Can anyone tell me what the little white one is?

        My fear is that I'll also get spider mites if I can fight the aphids.

        Appreciate any help in advance.
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          The first picture looks similar to h. Miles soil mite. The other pics, I can't tell for sure. Look for cornicles on the crawlers backsides to help identify if those r aphids in the root zone. They look like tailpipes sticking out. Research this thread n google identifying characteristics of the flyers. Flying ra's generally have a more rounded butt, while fg's have a pointed butt. Imid, in flower especially, isn't a great choice. Research the health risks. Gl, n keep updating here, there's plenty of knowledgeable folks who will chime in with some help soon enough.

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            That winged little bitch is an RA flyer for sure.

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              I'm not so sure of that. Can't see the abdomen. -granger
              Fully compliant Medical Patient.

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                Sorry for the bad picture quality. I'm using my phone.

                This is a side view but it's a bit blurry. Hoping that it can shed some light.

                I was almost sure that they are winged RA because of the angle of their wings.

                By way of update:

                Main plant:
                I can't find any crawlies on her anymore. I've been digging around all day and there are practically 0 bugs around. She suffered the most. There some nice green growth springing up on her stems (more lower than upper).

                Clone 1: Very few bugs crawling around in the top few cm of soil. I'm not sure if I should wait a few days for them to die out from the Imid, or if I should take further action. No visible plant defects yet.

                Clone 2: Significant reduction in bugs but I can still relatively easily find them if I scratch the surface. No visible plant defects yet.

                Plant 4: Just entered flowering. Can't find bugs on her but there are lots of ants in the top soil. I understand this could indicate aphids and gnats are around. No visible plant defects yet, although it has slowish growth.

                I can't decide whether to be patient and see what happens (I'm out of town until Monday morning), or to take further action right now.

                If I have to use Imid again it has to be in the next 4 days otherwise it will be too risky.

                Appreciate all your responses and efforts.
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                  Yeah it's too blury to tell. U should be able to see in person if the back side is rounded n has cornicles. If ur already doing the Chem route, I'd go with spectracide triazicide. It's a contact killer u can flush thru ur medium. I think the flush dosage was 30ml per gallon. It won't be systemic like Imid, so it should be out of the plant in days compared to who knows how long with imid.

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                    first pic looks like a soil mite (probably harmless and they would def be expected in healthy compost google Oribatid), second has features of a Thrip except the legs seem a bit to long usually closer to body, the last pic could be an Aphid flyer, pluck the wings if possible and better pics all around to get better look...
                    Just a little disclaimer: I don't really grow weed, hell I've never even tried it. My shrink suggested I develop an alter-ego to help with my low self esteem. So I took on the identity of a marijuana grower. Seemed real exciting and a little risque. So if I post any pictures, sorry but they're just something I found on the internet. Thanks in advance for playing along, and helping me with these tough times!

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                      new user here....ive been scrubbing through this aphid forum and decided to contact you for your advice. i currently have a very small infestation of these bitches.....noticed it when digging up a few seeds that had beautiful taproots going into dirt but they never broke ground. after a few days i dug one up....completely covered in root aphids. i treated immediately with a neem/mosquito plug/tobacco tea concoction. anyway you mentioned playing with this gamma stuff and also had contacted the company but never listed the EXACT product you purchased. would you be willing to share that info?

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                        that was actually meant for FoCo(No.Co).....as i cant seem to figure out how to PM him

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                          Originally posted by mickmick1 View Post
                          new user here....ive been scrubbing through this aphid forum and decided to contact you for your advice. i currently have a very small infestation of these bitches.....noticed it when digging up a few seeds that had beautiful taproots going into dirt but they never broke ground. after a few days i dug one up....completely covered in root aphids. i treated immediately with a neem/mosquito plug/tobacco tea concoction. anyway you mentioned playing with this gamma stuff and also had contacted the company but never listed the EXACT product you purchased. would you be willing to share that info?
                          U need 50 posts for pm priveledges. And I don't know if that member is even active on here anymore.

                          spectracide triazicide. It's the brand with that contact killer in it. I believe the application rate was 45ml for watering medium, but it tells u on the bottle.

                          Hot water soaks are supposed to kill them too. U have to be thorough though. If u don't have any great genetics ur going to lose n can't replace, it would be better to clean n sterilize ur room, and start fresh.

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                            Originally posted by DocTim420 View Post
                            The fool was talking about "VectoBac WG"...your link is to "VectoBag G"--which I included in my analysis in the following post. Go find online source for Vectbac WG and I will give you a cigar!
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                            Last edited by Old Fogey; 04-10-2017, 05:35.

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                              Originally posted by DocTim420 View Post
                              The question is NOT can you google it....the question--is there an online source for Vectobac WG? Who sells it and how much?

                              Hard to do a cost analysis without knowing the price. This Vectobac "issue" started with this statement--



                              And...more or less ended with this statement--



                              The stuff is not even sold in 5kg tubs--and I question the abnormally low price of $40/kg ($200/5kg)...especially when the formulation is at the high rate of 3000 ITU/mg. It does not make sense.

                              If something smells like bullshit...then it probably is.
                              ..
                              Last edited by Old Fogey; 04-10-2017, 05:38.

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                                Originally posted by DocTim420 View Post
                                Did I offend you in a prior life?

                                My quote and your accompanying rant appear to be 100% disconnected. If I stated unequivocally, that something was available on the internet and you discovered that it wasn't...what would you do? Call me out on it on my bullshit or give me a "thumbs up"?

                                I called the guy out on his bullshit...if that offends you, then I guess you are one monster sized snowflake that bruises easily!
                                Well, I'm calling you out for your utter lack of initiative and wit. BTi in WG form is available for those who look in the right places.

                                Simply put, I'm not wearing the blame for your inadequacies. If you grow like you do your research, you must be a quarter inch deep in ditch weed.

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