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    Scegy responding to what Easy said:

    Originally posted by scegy View Post
    <quote>Believe in yourself and bring upon the most excellent lifeforce, laden within you!</quote>

    that is how i live, but i'm a minority in my generation that's the problem...i'm afraid that we've come to far in destroying nature to overcome our greed and live in harmony with nature again and ppl around u.
    why is that? simple rule of harmony, give some take some, but since we are so many we can only take, and give shit the way we work.
    tell me this
    how many factories do you know in ur place that have all their side products recycled?
    how many ppl prefere to ware more clothes instead off turning on the heat?
    ...

    i try to live as less harmfull to nature as i can but today's lifestyle forces me to do the opposite sometimes.so you see i contradict my believes even as i speak here.
    so the question follows, how can i live without harming the nature and influincing on the others to do so too?if they can not see the dillusion i see...i should move to the moon? ofcourse i do know ppl that live by the same principles as i do but they'r 1 to 10 000
    i see no end to this, i once thought that weed makes me think this...i felt depressed untill i thought that.....you see, harmony is what makes this whole shit spinning around and working the way it does...it's a simple thing, yet so uncomprihensive to many!
    if all ppl grew...they'd learn to be patient
    probably a question pops in your head reading this, : "what do you want then?"
    somthing that i'm certian that i'll never have
    Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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      My response to Scegy and others:

      Originally posted by PassTheDoobie View Post
      (In reverse order

      Hey Bud! Last sonogram is Monday. The twins are putting on weight daily. She's pretty sure they are bigger than the trips were at this time, which was when they came out. So the endurance test begins. You would freak to see how big she is!!! And today she noticed she had more room in her stomach after her meal which means they have started to drop, so they could come sooner than we thought. In reality they are big enough to come out now. Your message of love was received with a lot of love in return. You and MrsB have truly become close and personal friends and we cannot express enough our gratitude for your love, support, and concern. Thank you~!

      Easy! You da man, dude! What fantastic posts! I can't tell you how glad I am to know you and have you contributing so constructively towards the thread. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo to you Brother! YOU ARE THE ROAR OF THE LION! You have my deepest respect! Your friendship is definitely a gift from the Gohonzon. Thank you for the countinuously inspiring words so eloquently delivered. Keep up all that chanting I hear in what you have to say.

      Bob: What the hell was that? German??? I assume that means something, so whatever it is, I send it right back at you! (Beware the guardians of this thread. Sometimes they lack a sense of humor. Cause and effect, as always, can be very strict.)

      searcher: Dude! Where ya been? So good to see you. If you have chanted before, start chanting again! Now!!! "Just wondering, did you mean the people that died in 9/11 had bad karma? And does believing in buddha help avoid dying this way." Brother, I never labeled it. But I don't think that "good karma" or "bad karma" is the issue. To die instantaneously might be considered a good karma compared to a long drawn out suffering from injuries or illness. To experience the futility, fear, and horror of those trapped on the upper floors, or to be pumped to the max with adrenaline full of hope to save others, as many of the fire fighters must have been, are two entirely different life conditions to depart this world in. Yet the karma to die that day would have been the same. Quite often we view life as the only thing that matters, when in fact, life continues in either a manifest or latent phase eternally. Nothing is forever, even death. Believing in Buddha is not the issue. Buddha is not separate from you. You are a Buddha. EVERYTHING possesses a Buddha nature. Manifesting that Buddha nature makes you a Buddha. That happens from chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo to the Gohonzon. So would practicing Buddhism as Nichiren instructed save one from such an experience? I believe it would. When you chant, your Buddha nature becomes manifest and you become in rhythm with your environment. That would allow you to mitigate anything, even if it appeared not to. Again in my opinion, to die instantly, while performing an act of Bodhisattva action, trying to save others, is to have lived life to it's fullest, no matter how old you are when that happens. But don't forget, a lot more people made it out that day than didn't. The collective karma of those that did, is certainly different than the collective karma of those that didn't. People die all the time. It is not a matter of how you die, but one of what life condition you were in in your last moments. No one knows that but the person dying. Even people that chant sometimes meet untimely ends, although that is a rare occurance. Nichiren had disciples that were killed, but many many more that should have been, or could have been, that weren't. I pray not about when I will die, but that I have the fortune say Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with my last breath. Longevity is relative. This is just another lifetime out of many.

      scegy: I almost don't know where to begin. First of all, we aren't "Thinkers". We are people who practice the Buddhism of Nichiren and are attempting to share it with others, encouraging them to also try chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo as we are. This Buddhism is based on action rather than contemplation. If you think you caught the gist in the first 20 pages, it wasn't revealed in your salutation or any of the posts you've made so far. This whole thread is about chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. In the absence of trying that as a prerequisite to any real understanding, I suggest you review the last twenty pages to gain more clarity of what we are talking about here. According to the teachings of Nichiren, whether you see any light is a reflection of you--of YOUR LIFE CONDITION. That is not necessarily a reflection of your intellect or the reality experienced by others. Personally, I see light everywhere! However, I am in agreement with your perception that it is just as important to take care of oneself as it is to committing oneself to the care of others. The more I read what you have to say, the more I am convinced you would get a tremendous amount of benefit from reading more of the thread. Easydisco has already addressed some of the things you said from the perspective of our Buddhist practice. I perceive all the things you point out, but they don't make me sad or unhappy. And that doesn't mean that I care less about them than you. I have already embraced a vehicle that allows me to change my own circumstance and in doing so change the circumstances (environment) surrounding me. I chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and practice the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin. That empowerment has been something completely transferrable to others, as you will find by trying it yourself. Please do and keep reading! Thank you for taking the time to express yourself! (I'll respond to your PM via PM)

      Have a great day everyone!

      Thomas
      Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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        Scegy clarifies where he's coming from:

        Originally posted by scegy View Post
        don't take my words as disrespect to others, i never put myself above others. wasn't talking about intelligence, it's pure fear that drives this nonsence called capitalism. i also see light in almost every man i meet, but they don't see it in themselves, therefore they'r not growin it as they should?reed me?
        would you feel offended if i learn the debate as i go? i will try to be as less provocative as i can, i just like to learn things my own way, nothing more or less.
        not knowing the past, first, sometimes gives you the right perspective on the present...so i think
        about thinkers....i ment those who try to achieve their own peace in their head
        Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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          Easy adds more encouragement:

          Originally posted by Guest View Post
          Welcome back,

          Please be advised my introduction to this thread occurred less than 50 pages ago, if you go back and read the last 20-50 pages of this thread, you will become much more familiar than you can ever hope to be with Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. I must have posted the definition of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo at least twice, and the constant encouragement from PTD and Babba have fueled us this far, still going strong.

          Look at me, I am just another human living in the same time as you, until I began to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo, I sincerely had no direction, I sense almost a sad confusion in your heart! Just as I once was lost, hoping to figure out the incredible or mystical aspect of life which I knew was always there. I could never put my finger on it and being raised in a monotheistic enviroment really made it all the more difficult to "outgrow" the inheirant confusion and trickery! I was duped into focusing on things I could never truely accept, but shedding that layer of skin and letting myself be reborn into a path of enlightenment has helped me to look past man's evils and enjoy the present! Its a daily struggle Sce, now that your seeking spirit brought you this far, continue to read and grow with us!

          Nam Myoho Renge KYO!
          Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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            And I add a bit myself:

            Originally posted by PassTheDoobie View Post
            But Brother, I meant no disrespect either. Surely you can "learn the debate as you go." You are free to do as you please! My only thought is that in these last 20 pages there are many references that would bring you additional clarity as to what Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is all about. It isn't fair to Gypsy's server space to re-post all of those topics. Try checking out this connection, to read as you please, the perspective and spirit that is attempting to be conveyed:

            http://sgi-usa.org/buddhism/buddhismtoday/

            The point that Nichiren Buddhism makes is that now is a specific time period, referred to in the Lotus Sutra as the 'Latter Day of the Law.' This coincides with a time-line of around two thousand years after the historical Buddha, Shakyamuni Gautama of India's death. The societal circumstance that frustrates you, was predicted along with a remedy. That remedy was for individuals to appear in society that would lead others to embrace the eternal law of causality that is embodied within the title of the Lotus Sutra of 'Myoho-renge-kyo.' By envoking this title by repeating it along with the character for ones sense of devotion, 'Nam', we derive the mantra that we speak of here: Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. You are astute in your observations, but in my opinion, your sense of futility is incorrect. I was merely trying to point you in a direction that might add something very positive to your daily life.

            Please try chanting these words--Nam-myoho-renge-kyo--and see what happens.

            You are welcome here always. No debates. However we do make pointed comments aimed at trying to provide those seeking answers the truth as we know it from living this Law with our lives. Does anyone else have something to say that would make my meaning more clearly understood to our friend scegy? Please jump in!

            T
            Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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              Scegy shares his first Gosho quote:

              Originally posted by scegy View Post
              i agree, knowing yourself means knowing others, thus their weaknes(yours). as your post stated. the more i know my weakneses the more i can laugh at them when they appear.
              to simplify my "request" here, how to make others listen that there are other, better things in life then money, alcohol, drugs and partys? cos i talk much to ppl around me, and although they agree with me they act further like we've never talked...you know what i mean?

              "Many hear about and accept this sutra, but when great obstacles arise, just as they were told would happen, few remember it and bear it firmly in mind. To accept is easy; to continue is difficult. But Buddhahood lies in continuing faith."

              (The Difficulty of Sustaining Faith - The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, page 471) Selection source: SGI President Ikeda’s speech, Seikyo Shimbun, April 17th, 2006
              Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                My response to his last comments:

                Originally posted by PassTheDoobie View Post
                As always, this is just my opinion, but I think first, you need to be able to give them something more than just your opinion. You have to have some counter-balance or alternative option to the behavior you are being critical of. CYNACISM NEVER INSPIRES ANYONE, IN MY OPINION. Secondly, I think you need to be personally respect worthy and towards that end your solution must have some basis in reality, rather than being idealistic banter (I am not saying your position is, just that people will not become inspired by a proposed solution that lacks a credible end-game). Thirdly, you need to have the wisdom to correctly perceive the capacity of the people you are speaking with. Lastly, I think you have to reflect something in yourself that qualifies what you are suggesting as being something that another person would want to emulate: happiness, confidence, and compassion. It isn’t necessary to be rich, famous, beautiful or impressively intelligent. It is necessary that people be able to see that you are sincere and truly desire their happiness. Who you are as a human being will reflect whether you’re full of shit or have something to offer that goes beyond a philosophical conversation.

                All of this is contained within the effect on an individual’s life that earnestly and faithfully practices Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism, chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo everyday.
                Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                  I love Easy's encouragements!

                  Originally posted by Guest View Post
                  Can you all feel it today! The incredibly revitalizing NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO has brought me closer to my goal of enlightenment, and yes I am not only feeling the benefits today of chanting, but I am sharing them with you all my dear Chanting friends. I have been chanting for everyone here, and know we are all benefiting from all our grateful prayers. I am so very lucky to be a human and able to chant NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO! Its part of my past, currently in my present and shall be in my future as well!

                  Do you see what I SEE! You are the gohonzon trust in the gohonzon to make you realize your of unlimited potential! You are one with the Mystic Law! You are thereby empowered to procure your happiness!

                  Chant for me as I continue to chant for you! Together we will propagate Kosen-rufu with the protection of shoten zenjin. We are all united, and be strong because the greatest obstacle for me has been overcoming MYSELF! Persevere! Outlast! I believe in you!

                  Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
                  Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                    Scegy replies:

                    Originally posted by scegy View Post
                    pass the dobie: i give up on my cynicizm, thank you for grounding me

                    as for your words, i think i've been chanting all my life nam myoho renge kyo, just that there are moments when i see no benifit from giving my energy to others. i help to whome i trust, and some ppl just can't be trusted no matter what, it's just their nature.
                    i don't know why you promote buddhism so much(are you trying to say that this is the only way to get ppl listening?), one can come to it's own conclusions if he wishes so, just by giving his full attention to the right direction.

                    i got the feeling that we should talk about this after a decade, when i'll be able to confirm myself if my believes were right or not
                    i'm confused by your intentions here, don't get me wrong, i just can't see how are we going to enlighten the world by talking?no one cares to listen...even so, the numbers are too low to get the real effect...
                    i'm amazed by your optimism, just can't figure you out....
                    Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                      Easy continues to encourage Scegy's seeking spirit:

                      Originally posted by Guest View Post
                      Please continue to read this thread, your missing all the highlights apparently! Within the last 50 pages you find my introduction and my progression, use it as a guide to gauge you perception and direction. Otherwise please try harder with abandoning the cynicism, your apparently letting your enviroment get the best of you! Perhaps its a chemical issue at this point? Never give up on yourself!

                      Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
                      Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                        Scegy responds:

                        Originally posted by scegy View Post
                        easy: i never do give up on myself, i weren't here if i did. why do you think i let the enviroment get the best of me? cos i don't feel like that but i do critisize it a lot....but i feel like that's all i CAN do? i'm being cynic about our future, i don't think this capitalism will flip to a better politic in a breeze, it will take a lot of uncessary shit before it does, so i think.
                        by chemical you mean weed?
                        Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                          Easy shares more:

                          Originally posted by Guest View Post
                          Until I began deep introspective self reflection I lost myself in all the outside forces that pollute our personal utopias. I am not constantly in a state of buddhahood so I apologize if I was too harsh, my sincere wish was to just help you look at yourself from a different angle. Why criticize what you can't change and not change what you can about yourself. It all begins with you is what I have been learning from SGI. Not to long ago the concept of world peace was fake and irrelevant. I was stuck in the quagmire of my own enviroment, the shackles of my past were repressing my present and future. Now I live in the present and try and focus my energy towards propagating Kosen-rufu which also means world peace. How does one undertake such a task, first by starting and staying consistent with your practice secondly I am focusing on the good I have absorbed from my diligent studies with SGI, including the Goshos and definitions you will find @ www.sgi.org

                          I am a perenial socialist and always will be, your giving capitalism too much credit, focus more on yourself and not everything else, don't you think you have enough to deal with right now than to point the finger at worldwide ideals. I think if you apply yourself to undoing capitalism or berating its exsistence you will miss out on the most important moments in life which are happening right now! Don't get ahead of yourself, I do it all the time, its human to err but better to try and see the proverbial glass as half full! Squeeze some good from your fruits of life, if you can't find any its time you grew some! Germinate your seeds of happiness now and sow the goodness later secgy.

                          WHen I refered to something chemical I broadly meant perhaps your sadness might be due to something out of your immediate control a foreign substance, perhaps your own personal internal chemistry, any number of things that could be corrected and adjust your apparent desire to find happiness within your present state of being.

                          Listen your seeking spirit brought you here to give yourself a chance, a chance to look in a new direction and possibly embrace that which is beneficial. As another benefit of your search you have stumbled into a school of peace that of which adknowledges the harmony between the physical world and the mystical world. Please continue to read the posts in this thread it will show you more than you'll bargain for.

                          YOU CAN ALWAYS DO MORE THAN JUST CRITICIZE POLITICS, TAKE THE TIME AND FIGURE OUT A PLAN OF ACTION THAT WILL BRING YOU CLOSER TO YOUR GOALS.

                          Search for the Gohonzon is my advice.... seeking you shall find
                          Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                            Scegy replies:

                            Originally posted by scegy View Post
                            easy: great reading you
                            i must have missexpressed myself, i opened my eyes, half a year ago, the more i live on my own, the more i see the beauties of life, but i get MAD when i see that the system that i pay for should work for me not for itself, that is my sadness
                            these days are my trully focused days, first time in my life i know what i want to do, i'm at the begining of my jurney i know, but i'm looking forward of it.
                            i think i sad in the last few posts somewhere i think: if ppl want to understand eachother they first have to understand themselves, meaning, looking at urself from a different angle....i always did that, well since i started to think, but i was young cos i remember my thoughts from back then i just didn't understand MY needs. so i was confused for a long time
                            but i must say that you guys give me inspiration with your posts/thoughts, looking forward to read some more
                            Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                              Easy tells Scegy to keep chanting and then Scegy asks another question:

                              Originally posted by scegy View Post
                              i have a question, i never really answeard myself on this one
                              i'm never sattisfied with just helping the ppl i love, but it is repulsive for me to help a drunk young bum, who is healthy in all ways, by giving him money? for instance.
                              i'm confused about this, don't know what to feel, any thoughts?
                              Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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                                I say what I have to say about his previous comments:

                                Originally posted by PassTheDoobie View Post
                                First of all, I think you are very lucky to have met easydisco here. In my opinion, you two share a relationship from a past life. It is obvious how much compassion he has for you and his sincerity to relate to you and attempt to encourage you towards an understanding of what he is experiencing should be notably commended. Well done easdisco!

                                But scegy! This post in particular somewhat discounts your previous claim to have read the first twenty pages of the thread before you started posting. Did you read speed-read them? Perhaps you felt you were already adept enough based on your own thinking, your personal philosophy of life, to easily grasp what is going on here. Please take no offense in what I've just said, as it is merely an objective observation based on everything you have to say.

                                I'm not sure on what basis you make the first comment of, "i think i've been chanting all my life nam myoho renge kyo." You seem to think that these are not important or specific words that convey an important and specific result, or effect, on the person making the cause of saying them over and over again (chanting). You would be mistaken.

                                That is not my opinion, that is a fact. The basis of that fact has been delineated in this thread over and over again. The basis of that fact are the teachings of several quite famous and historical Buddhas that have lived throughout the last twenty centuries, and the life experiences of those that try chanting. If you think your wisdom is comparable to theirs, then by all means ignore what they have said, and follow your heart. (But I would highly recommend you keeping an open mind and endeavoring to expand your understanding.)

                                "i don't know why you promote buddhism so much(are you trying to say that this is the only way to get ppl listening?)," This question is why I think you really didn't read the first twenty pages. No I am not saying that this is the only way to get people listening. Many, many, people are listening that don't chant and don't practice Nichiren Buddhism. They have been exposed to the real teachings of Buddhism by the Bodhisattva actions of those that do. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT NOTHING OTHER THAN NICHIREN BUDDHISM AND IT'S EFFECT ON THE LIVES OF THOSE THAT PRACTICE IT.

                                In the US, as much as 70 percent of the population, according to a recent survey, say they believe in God. But how many of them replied 'yes' to that question because they have no other basis of belief to base their lives (and fear of death) on? The reason this thread was started was to expose people to Nichiren Daishonin’s teachings and encourage them to try the Buddhist practice of chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. I don’t know how old you are, but I’m in my fifties, and started chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo when I was nineteen. In all that time, it has always amazed me how little people in the West (non-Asians) understood about Buddhism. My step-mom was convinced I was involved in devil worship! She thought ‘Buddha’ was the same thing as ‘God’ in Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth!

                                The funny thing to me is that large portions of those 70 percent that said “yes” are absolutely convinced, that large portions of the 70 percent that said “yes” are going to suffer eternal retribution in hell for not worshipping the “right God”! Where the hell is there any real salvation in that thinking? “Us versus them” has never worked, and will never work, in my opinion and experience. Even if you never practice Buddhism, at least it’s teachings provide a rational basis (for the first time for many) to understand a basis for comprehending the eternal inter-connectedness of all things. It helps that science keeps revealing that this thinking is grounded in the phyical laws of the environment we live in, earth, as well.

                                “one can come to it's own conclusions if he wishes so, just by giving his full attention to the right direction.” But on what basis would our conclusions be correct other than in our own opinions? Hey Brother, as I said before, then follow your heart. Everyone is entitled to their own opinons, based on their experience. However, I think if what you say were true there would be no need in this world for teachers. We could all just “self-educate” ourselves. That would be rather self-serving, I think, if the ultimate goal is to change the effects in the lives of people throughout the world, and in doing so, change the world itself. And this is the ultimate goal of Nichiren’s Buddhism. We refer to that goal as the attainment of “kosen-rufu”.

                                “i got the feeling that we should talk about this after a decade, when i'll be able to confirm myself if my believes were right or not Why not share them with us all right now? You might be amazed to find out how much of your personal philosophy is already contained in Buddhism and already validated in a higher manner than a game of “let’s wait and see”.

                                “i'm confused by your intentions here, don't get me wrong, i just can't see how are we going to enlighten the world by talking?no one cares to listen...even so, the numbers are too low to get the real effect...” I hope I have made my intentions more clear to you in this post. But for the record, this isn’t just “talking” All this thread reinforces is action, action, action.

                                Take action in one’s practice of Buddhism, chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Take action in the efforts one makes for one’s own happiness. Take action in the efforts one makes for the happiness of others. Take action to understand the principles of reality that Buddhism teaches governing ones life. If you are of an opinon that this thread is just about talking, or “thinking”, then you are mistaken and aren’t discerning what is being said deeply enough. Any confusion you may have is then completely understandable (and a reflection of you rather than what is being said).

                                And the numbers thing? Trust me, this thread is insignificant in the vast activity of propagation of Nichiren’s teachings that is occurring throughout the world on a daily basis. Familiarize yourself with the mission and activities of the Soka Gakkai. You’ll find that the effort is immense, very public, and conducted among practitioners of all walks of life throughout the world. According to our beliefs, we only need to propagate this teaching of Nam-myoho-renge-kyo to a third of the world’s population to achieve our goal of kosen-rufu. People always respond to wisdom. When they don’t respond is when there is no real wisdom to be perceived.

                                “i'm amazed by your optimism,” Thirty-three years of practicing Nichiren’s Buddhism, chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo will do that to a person.

                                “just can't figure you out....” If we can’t convince you to try chanting, I am afraid that is something that I am sure will never happen.

                                I respect you dude. It takes guts to jump in here and lay it all out, even with the cover of anonymity. Thank you for your comments, and thank you for your patience in receiving this response. Stick to easydisco. You two are connected. Trust me.

                                I bow in obeisance to you scegy! Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

                                Thomas
                                Nam-myoho-renge-kyo!

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