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    This is not on here so here we go. Having researched the use of RSO I find it interesting but wondering if anyone is worried about the use of white gas as the solvent?

    Is anyone using other concentrates and what is the difference in taking each and its effects?

    I have read that many speak about the rso due to it being extremely potent but it is washed for several minutes in the solvent and that in itself is known to pull out many other chemicals into the mixture.

    Are people using wax, shadder, qwiso, bubble as well? In what matter?
    LostTribe

    C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

    Treating Cancer with Concentrates
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=301121

    #2
    For the few donations that I have given away, it has been 270 x 333mg capsules. A capsule for the morning, afternoon, and evening for 90 days.

    I hope to hear back results soon. I just sent out two of these treatments, I will share on this thread and others.

    The capsules are made with decarbed BHO winterized with ethanol, and coconut oil.
    Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Chonkski View Post
      For the few donations that I have given away, it has been 270 x 333mg capsules. A capsule for the morning, afternoon, and evening for 90 days.

      I hope to hear back results soon. I just sent out two of these treatments, I will share on this thread and others.

      The capsules are made with decarbed BHO winterized with ethanol, and coconut oil.
      Chonkski I am sure we all thank you for your work. Please let us know what treatment entails. Types of sickness and dosages.
      LostTribe

      C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

      Treating Cancer with Concentrates
      https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=301121

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        #4
        How was the coconut oil incorporated and was the diet of the patient changed?
        LostTribe

        C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

        Treating Cancer with Concentrates
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          #5
          We have given away capsules to 3 people suffering from different types of cancer, at their request.

          For the 2 people who never used marijuana prior we made the capsules 75 MG and told them to take as many as they were comfortable with daily. They both said they felt immediate relief and one of them even lessened his intake of narcotic pain meds. Unfortunately they are both no longer with us. I don't think the capsules really did anything except ease their pain at the end.

          The other guy was already a daily smoker. He has about a million different conditions with skin cancer being the most serious. We give him capsules that are 5 times as strong because the 75 MG wasn't doing anything for him. This guy is truly amazing, even with the doctors telling him he is basically wasting away he is still active and has an extremely positive outlook on his future. It wouldn't surprise me if he outlived all of us lol.

          I recently had another friend ask if I could make capsules for his relative but honestly I have never really felt comfortable letting people choose this treatment unless their doctor knows 100% and is on board with it. I wish there was more information on the subject but everything I have read talks mainly about the therapeutic uses of terpenes with little mention of how THC plays a roll.

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            #6
            HSO

            You should try some holy shit oil. My last batch tested at 5ppm of tane so if thats your concern if made properly theres next to nothing in the end product.

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              #7
              Originally posted by montroller View Post
              We have given away capsules to 3 people suffering from different types of cancer, at their request.

              For the 2 people who never used marijuana prior we made the capsules 75 MG and told them to take as many as they were comfortable with daily. They both said they felt immediate relief and one of them even lessened his intake of narcotic pain meds. Unfortunately they are both no longer with us. I don't think the capsules really did anything except ease their pain at the end.

              The other guy was already a daily smoker. He has about a million different conditions with skin cancer being the most serious. We give him capsules that are 5 times as strong because the 75 MG wasn't doing anything for him. This guy is truly amazing, even with the doctors telling him he is basically wasting away he is still active and has an extremely positive outlook on his future. It wouldn't surprise me if he outlived all of us lol.

              I recently had another friend ask if I could make capsules for his relative but honestly I have never really felt comfortable letting people choose this treatment unless their doctor knows 100% and is on board with it. I wish there was more information on the subject but everything I have read talks mainly about the therapeutic uses of terpenes with little mention of how THC plays a roll.
              What type of oil was used?
              LostTribe

              C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

              Treating Cancer with Concentrates
              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=301121

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                #8
                Originally posted by LostTribe View Post
                What type of oil was used?

                We used BHO made from organic outdoor trim. It was decarboxylated in vacuum and winterized with ethanol before we made the capsules with coconut oil.

                Those MG are almost definitely lower than what actually went in. We based it off the original BHO test results of 75% THC and did 1 gram per 10 capsules. After winterizing we never tested so it was probably actually higher than 75.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LostTribe View Post
                  This is not on here so here we go. Having researched the use of RSO I find it interesting but wondering if anyone is worried about the use of white gas as the solvent?

                  Is anyone using other concentrates and what is the difference in taking each and its effects?

                  I have read that many speak about the rso due to it being extremely potent but it is washed for several minutes in the solvent and that in itself is known to pull out many other chemicals into the mixture.

                  Are people using wax, shadder, qwiso, bubble as well? In what matter?
                  I worry about brothers and sisters using naphtha to exctract their meds with, and use BHO or Ethanol instead.

                  We've supplied oil made from one or the other to patients since 2007, with some remarkable successes, and some sad losses.

                  The terpenes, including the di terpene cannabinoids, are where the targeted elements are and they are all both fully butane and ethanol soluble.

                  Both BHO and QWET are both easier to purge than naphtha, and neither contain the carcinogen benzene, which light naphtha often does.
                  An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.

                  Believing is seeing and ignorance is bliss until it bites you in the ass!

                  Fervor is the weapon of the impotent. The harder the sell, the poorer the product.

                  Alas, my ignorance abounds; the more I've learned, the less I know that I know..........

                  Thou shalt seek and respect the opinions of operators, even unto the third helper, for theirs is a wisdom unknown to technicrats.

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                    #10
                    i will have more information on the details of what the treatments are for when I am able to speak to the patients myself. Right now I kind of have no choice but to work as somewhat of a middle man. And so I send them where is needed when I can.

                    I agree when it comes to giving the patient small dosages to start with. I usually send them around 50 of the 50mg caps to work their way up.

                    I am not an expert, but I am still young and hope to some day say that I am an expert.

                    Right now I just want to help where I can, and sharing all the information I gain is achieving part of that goal
                    Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before.

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                      #11
                      As far as dosage, while I don't support Ricks use of Varnish & Paint Makers (VPM) naphtha to extract pharmaceuticals, we have more or less followed his guidelines of getting the patients up to a gram a day, but there are some differences.

                      Naphtha also extracts non polar plant waxes, which RSO oil leaves in, and rice cooker purging leaves residual hydrocarbons behind above the 5000 ppm maximum allowed by FDA.

                      We on the other hand, remove the plant waxes and solvents above 50 ppm, to produce a more concentrated Absolute for our Holy Shit. Depending on the strain and whether it was grown outdoors or indoors, wax content can vary considerably from around our 8% average on our indoor, to around 20% on some outdoor strains extracted at ambient temperatures, and using long soaks for maximum yield.

                      Any hoo, while the RSO cure is based on 90 days, and we've seen miraculous things in way less time, we've also supplied patients a gram a day for over a year, who were showing steady improvement from things like final stage Hep C, at which point they took over making their own and now half a decade later have normal liver function.

                      Our Alzheimers patient was up to as much as three or four grams a day to function as normally as she was able to, but she lived another 4 1/2 years, when her prognosis when she started was less than 90 days.

                      While a standard dose for an average tolerance patient for HS is around 100 mg, some ultra low tolerance people can be totally discombobulated by 25 mg, so that is always our starting dosage to determine the titration starting point.

                      You can also add 3X the concentrate dosage in Citicolene, so that the THC effects are mollified and higher dosages can be tolerated.

                      Higher CBD content, in relationship to the THC, also helps mitigate its effects.
                      An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.

                      Believing is seeing and ignorance is bliss until it bites you in the ass!

                      Fervor is the weapon of the impotent. The harder the sell, the poorer the product.

                      Alas, my ignorance abounds; the more I've learned, the less I know that I know..........

                      Thou shalt seek and respect the opinions of operators, even unto the third helper, for theirs is a wisdom unknown to technicrats.

                      Wise men learn more from fools, than fools from wise men.

                      In my dotage I finally discovered that the secret to putting on pants both legs at a time is sitting down.


                      https://graywolfslair.com/

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gray Wolf View Post
                        As far as dosage, while I don't support Ricks use of Varnish & Paint Makers (VPM) naphtha to extract pharmaceuticals, we have more or less followed his guidelines of getting the patients up to a gram a day, but there are some differences.

                        Naphtha also extracts non polar plant waxes, which RSO oil leaves in, and rice cooker purging leaves residual hydrocarbons behind above the 5000 ppm maximum allowed by FDA.

                        We on the other hand, remove the plant waxes and solvents above 50 ppm, to produce a more concentrated Absolute for our Holy Shit. Depending on the strain and whether it was grown outdoors or indoors, wax content can vary considerably from around our 8% average on our indoor, to around 20% on some outdoor strains extracted at ambient temperatures, and using long soaks for maximum yield.

                        Any hoo, while the RSO cure is based on 90 days, and we've seen miraculous things in way less time, we've also supplied patients a gram a day for over a year, who were showing steady improvement from things like final stage Hep C, at which point they took over making their own and now half a decade later have normal liver function.

                        Our Alzheimers patient was up to as much as three or four grams a day to function as normally as she was able to, but she lived another 4 1/2 years, when her prognosis when she started was less than 90 days.

                        While a standard dose for an average tolerance patient for HS is around 100 mg, some ultra low tolerance people can be totally discombobulated by 25 mg, so that is always our starting dosage to determine the titration starting point.

                        You can also add 3X the concentrate dosage in Citicolene, so that the THC effects are mollified and higher dosages can be tolerated.

                        Higher CBD content, in relationship to the THC, also helps mitigate its effects.
                        Thank you for sharing your knowledge Gray Wolf.

                        What do you start with I was checking out your thread on the holy anointing oil it is very in depth and very informative.

                        How is 91% iso comparatively to bho and other choices?

                        I have to agree on the RSO using Naptha as the solvent to produce with. Hard for me to imagine ingesting that, but at least seems to work for some folks that have tried it with success. Rick did state that he was trying to make it easy for anyone to make.

                        I tend to think that the less harmful ingredients will lead to a safer product for sure!
                        LostTribe

                        C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

                        Treating Cancer with Concentrates
                        https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=301121

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                          #13
                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=140269

                          Above is the link to Gray Wolf Holy Anointing Oil Thread
                          LostTribe

                          C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

                          Treating Cancer with Concentrates
                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=301121

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by LostTribe View Post
                            Thank you for sharing your knowledge Gray Wolf.

                            What do you start with I was checking out your thread on the holy anointing oil it is very in depth and very informative.

                            How is 91% iso comparatively to bho and other choices?

                            I have to agree on the RSO using Naptha as the solvent to produce with. Hard for me to imagine ingesting that, but at least seems to work for some folks that have tried it with success. Rick did state that he was trying to make it easy for anyone to make.

                            I tend to think that the less harmful ingredients will lead to a safer product for sure!
                            You can do an effective extraction job with a variety of solvents.

                            Because of the infighting about which process is best, I split up a sample of Blue Dream and extracted discrete lots with Naphtha, Hexane, n-Butane, 95.6% EtOH, and 99% Iso.

                            I then ran them through our gas chromatograph and the cannabinoid profiles were all within the central scatter of one another and within the error of my GC process.

                            I use BHO and QWET, because butane is easiest to purge, with the least monoterpene loss, and food grade EtOH purges aren't as critical as Iso, nor does the thought alarm our patients as much.

                            Rick did and said a lot of things right, and some I disagree with.

                            He did state that he picked varnish and paint makers Naphtha and Isopropyl, because they were readily available to everyone, and his rice cooker process, cause anyone could do it, and I agree that when your back is against the wall, that you do what you must do.

                            When there are choices, I prefer to err on the side of caution, especially when some of the choices are not just toxic, but carcinogens.

                            Rick's observation that the carcinogens are mixed with a powerful anti cancer cannabis cocktail, is true, but the powerful mix without the carcinogen would ostensibly be preferable, given the choice.

                            His rice cooker purge also leaves residual hydrocarbons above the FDA pharma standards for even class three solvents, and his argument that the residual hydrocarbons tie up the liver processing them, so the cannabinoids are in our system longer, is no doubt also true.

                            We have however elected to use coconut oil for that same purpose, given the choice.

                            Rick brought much light on the subject and ran with the ball during tough times, so we owe him a debt of gratitude, whether we buy into all of his ideas or not.
                            An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.

                            Believing is seeing and ignorance is bliss until it bites you in the ass!

                            Fervor is the weapon of the impotent. The harder the sell, the poorer the product.

                            Alas, my ignorance abounds; the more I've learned, the less I know that I know..........

                            Thou shalt seek and respect the opinions of operators, even unto the third helper, for theirs is a wisdom unknown to technicrats.

                            Wise men learn more from fools, than fools from wise men.

                            In my dotage I finally discovered that the secret to putting on pants both legs at a time is sitting down.


                            https://graywolfslair.com/

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                              #15
                              Hey Gdub,

                              If you are donating concentrates for these types of treatments what are your absolute best recommendations to date?

                              What method of delivery and which one concentrate do you pick for that right now?
                              LostTribe

                              C99 The Ultimate Search and Rescue Mission
                              https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=334331

                              Treating Cancer with Concentrates
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