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  • GrowGoddess
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    Originally posted by Gray Wolf View Post
    Yeah, I followed a QWET extraction with water at Jump 117's suggestion, and got the same extract as you did, but never found anything to do with it. It appears to be mostly wax, that was dissolved by the alcohol and brought along for the ride with the water.

    We didn't have a GC at the time I ran the experiment, but I will run a sample next time and see what it is composed of.l
    Yes, I would be very interested to see the results. What is it? and so on.
    After doing some reading about essential oils and terpenes, I realize that they are oil soluble so doing an alcohol extraction you are getting the terpenes. Obviously you are losing a majority when applying heat.

    Anyway, on the subject, I have only really discovered the terpenes when I came across the naturally decarbed oils. At least that is when I noticed them and felt the difference. One of the terpenes from the cannabis plant seems to be a sesquiterpene(sp), which apparently is kind of rare. One that passes through the blood brain barrier. There could be drug interactions with cannabis terpenes. It would be nice to use the GC if it is capable of identifying exactly what terpenes are in the oil even the buds. That is mentioned in the books about essential oils. Not the cannabis terpenes, but other plant terpenes and how they can interact with blood thinners and such, even replace them.

    It seems like there is no end to the capabilities of the cannabis plant. Still much to learn that's for sure!

    I have to say, that frankincense oil smells really good!! Apparently you can uptake terpenes just by smelling it.

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  • Gray Wolf
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    Originally posted by GrowGoddess View Post
    Since I can't edit.

    I just thought of something that should be considered. What properties does the red oil have from the cannabis? The water soluble oil. Is there any medicinal properties? I don't know yet, but I do have a few pictures of some. I did this extraction with the bud material left over after doing an alcohol extraction for RSO. Just required some patience and water. I did it for experimental purposes, just to see.

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    Just something that should be considered and looked into.
    Yeah, I followed a QWET extraction with water at Jump 117's suggestion, and got the same extract as you did, but never found anything to do with it. It appears to be mostly wax, that was dissolved by the alcohol and brought along for the ride with the water.

    We didn't have a GC at the time I ran the experiment, but I will run a sample next time and see what it is composed of.l

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  • GrowGoddess
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    Since I can't edit.

    I just thought of something that should be considered. What properties does the red oil have from the cannabis? The water soluble oil. Is there any medicinal properties? I don't know yet, but I do have a few pictures of some. I did this extraction with the bud material left over after doing an alcohol extraction for RSO. Just required some patience and water. I did it for experimental purposes, just to see.

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    Just something that should be considered and looked into.

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  • GrowGoddess
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    Excluding high blood pressure medication, maybe we should be more concerned with beneficial interactions with other medications. Maybe other plant extracts can have a great benefit to the patients. For example: Frankincense oil which contains terpenes that cross the blood brain barrier. How does that effect cannabis oils that are missing terpenes like RSO or BHO. Oils that were processed with heat. Or even old buds that have lost their terpenes. Grows that were not treated delicately and the terpenes were lost due to too much air flow or too much heat? There are other plants out there with essential terpenes and some that have terpenes that can cross the blood brain barrier.
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    My goal is to be able to treat me and my family and others to treat themselves of illness. The current medical system does not do this for me with out harsh consequences.

    I'm not from a lost tribe, I am from the Potawatomi Tribe.

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  • GrowGoddess
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    Originally posted by LostTribe View Post
    This is a very interested and much needed point. The interactions among pain pills and the use of oils is definitely something that patients must take into consideration. I am sure there may be other ways that other meds interact as well.
    Yes, there are other interactions.

    When treating one of my cancer patients, he had an interaction with his heart medication. I had already forewarned him of this being possible, so he kept a close eye on it. He was taking 2 different medications for high blood pressure. Since he began treatment, he had to stop using one of the medications. I regret I do not recall what that medication was. All in all, he not only managed his cancer with the RSO, he also managed his high blood pressure.

    I can go on and on, and get my 50 posts. I would like to note previously that I was joking around.

    Another medication this patient had an interaction with when taking RSO is Xanax. I can't say whether it was positive or negative issue. I suppose it depends on the patient. This patient was taking (4) 1 mg tablets per day, which is extreme in my opinion, but I can understand why. If you ask me, he was having a nervous breakdown after learning of the cancer. What the Xanax did for him was cause him not to feel the full effects of the oil when only taking maintenance size doses (grain of rice). We suspected that the Xanax was causing him to not feel the oil. He decided to skip a couple of the pills and low and behold, he started feeling the oil effects, which he wanted to. After the treatment, he decided to continue to cut back on the Xanax. The oil has become more enjoyable, but still admits that the original hefty treatment of 1 gram per day, was mind boggling and a trip. This is an educated man who worked full time. During the treatment, he found it a challenge just to take the trash out to the curb.

    Terpenes effect the oil even more intense, with an opposite effect. Especially the terpenes from cannabis that pass through the blood brain barrier. They can help your memory, lessen the intense effects of the THC, but it is a double edge sword. They also cause the THC to last twice as long. 100% longer than the terpenes effect you, based upon my personal experience.

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  • LostTribe
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    Originally posted by Gray Wolf View Post
    Handbook of Experimental Pharmacy, Psychotropic Agents, Part III, has information regarding cannabis drug interactions.
    This is a very interested and much needed point. The interactions among pain pills and the use of oils is definitely something that patients must take into consideration. I am sure there may be other ways that other meds interact as well.

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  • Gray Wolf
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    Originally posted by Pangea View Post
    Thanks!

    How detailed and updated is it? Do you recommend it or is it the only reference with relevant info?
    Print date is 1982 with Chapter 7, or pages 119 through 158 devoted to cannabis.

    It is a serious work, chock full of useful data and references. About $80, which SPR's licensed pharmacists considered worth it and I agree.

    If you are only interested in the 39 pages on cannabis, it is no doubt available at a library.

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  • Pangea
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    Thanks!

    How detailed and updated is it? Do you recommend it or is it the only reference with relevant info?

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  • Gray Wolf
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    Handbook of Experimental Pharmacy, Psychotropic Agents, Part III, has information regarding cannabis drug interactions.

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  • GrowGoddess
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    Originally posted by Pangea View Post
    Many people around me with serious diseases and cancers are interested in using cannabis oil but have concerns about it interacting with their current medications, of which they are usually on many. They often ask for advice on such issues as their doctors play ignorant and dismissive.
    I do know of medications that do react with cannabis oil. Not in a toxic manner, and they are very common medicines. A large percentage of medical cannabis users are prescribed these medications. Switching over and using a concentrate the patient should be made aware that vicodin/hydrocodone, percoset/oxycodone, morphene, and probably others can have a serious effect on increasing the potency of the THC buzz from the concentrate. Nobody wants a bad trip. I have had some of my patients tell me that when they were taking the concentrated cannabis oil, even in small maintenance dose size, taking their pain pill doubled the potency of the THC oil. For them to continue taking their standard size dose of oil, they had to take less of the pain pills. When they would take a pain pill, they said it felt as if they had taken another dose of oil. Didn't even feel the effects of the pill, just prevented any withdrawl from the opiate. For them to continue taking the dose of oil three times per day, they had to cut their pills in half, but it still increased the effects of the oil. This is a good thing, it surely helps being aware of what is going on and understanding why without finding out the hard way, and it helps the patient become less reliant on the pills. It can take some time, but it can work.

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  • Chonkski
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    Originally posted by Pangea View Post
    Many people around me with serious diseases and cancers are interested in using cannabis oil but have concerns about it interacting with their current medications, of which they are usually on many. They often ask for advice on such issues as their doctors play ignorant and dismissive.
    Yeah I agree, that always tends to be the first concern of the patient. I would like to know more about the compatibility of cannabis and other pharma medications.

    It's always my guess that cannabis is okay with just about anything because it's not toxic to us in any way?

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  • Ioni Botani
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    This is indeed on here, SEE MY SIGNATURE! Bless.

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  • LostTribe
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    Originally posted by Pangea View Post
    Many people around me with serious diseases and cancers are interested in using cannabis oil but have concerns about it interacting with their current medications, of which they are usually on many. They often ask for advice on such issues as their doctors play ignorant and dismissive.
    From what I have read I wouldnt even tell them if I thought they would prevent me from making my own choice on my meds.

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  • Pangea
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    Many people around me with serious diseases and cancers are interested in using cannabis oil but have concerns about it interacting with their current medications, of which they are usually on many. They often ask for advice on such issues as their doctors play ignorant and dismissive.

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  • Gray Wolf
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    Originally posted by GrowGoddess View Post
    Thanks for the info. I do not see that option. I guess I need to get the 50 posts in before I can do that.

    I like having a "like" button.

    It is not easy for me to get 50 posts in. I don't post that much on forums anymore after my home state site seemed to be more arguing and bickering so I backed off on posting and started putting a lot more into blogs. I will try to get my fifty in.
    Yeah, all the sites seem to have their moments, some longer than others.

    On the other hand, I have noticed your posts elsewhere and with what you have to offer, shouldn't have a problem hitting 50 meaningful posts, especially if you spread yourself out a bit and check out the Medical, Cooking With Cannabis, and Introduction threads.

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