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    Pot size/stress and epigenetics

    am trying to cross auto to sativa photo to make an autoflowering sativa dom hybrid.
    I would like to keep the pots and plants as small as possible to fit several varieties and phenos together. Right now I have eight autos together with three photos, waiting for auto males to show. All plants are in one liter pots in a wicking system.
    I am wondering how much the pot size can affect size, both in current grow and in the final f4.
    I have read that shallow pots and root bounding can increase vertical growth in sativa and landraces. Don't want that. Also don't know if that is true. Also read that shallow pots induce flowering quicker in autos. That seems to be my experience too, and I don't mind that. Basically I would like the process to speed up and be space-economical by having small pots. Long process of breeding several generations. I would like to keep it manageable, so in addition to lst and topping I will try to keep the landrace/sativa size reduced through small pots while breeding. I might also do heavy manicuring/cutting, as all I need is a few pollen sacs and a branch for seeds. The final f4 seeds will grow outside and can use all the soil and space they need. But while chucking indoors I would prefer to root restrict, feed light and clip/top/cut, in short really abuse the bigger phenos.
    Will any measures to keep plants small pass on unwanted traits to offspring through epigenetic processes? Or will a plant kept miniscule in a seed run produce seeds that can be big plants later in an ideal environment?
    I realize that if all plants are somehow kept tiny, I don't be able to distinguish runts..
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    #2
    Originally posted by Grat3fulh3ad View Post
    Epigenetic traits are not passed to offspring, since by their very nature they do not affect the structure of the DNA. Epigenetic traits are conditionally temporary, they do not become part of the plant's permanent makeup.
    This sounds reassuring.
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      #3
      Originally posted by The_Skunkist View Post
      Concerning pot size ... How to select them rightly with imposed pot size that is limitating the full development ?

      That is the dilemma..
      I am mostly thinking about the f2 generation where I need several plants just to find the autos. Hopefully f3/f4 selection will be easier as I can also use the flowering chamber with the true autos, selecting for phenos and not needing to look for auto traits.
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        #4
        Basically I would like the process to speed up and be space-economical by having small pots.
        You can't hurry genetics. Devote time/space/genetics to reach your goal.
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          #5
          I guess you can, but maybe not ideal.
          Straight to 12/12 hurries flowering in photos, no?
          Tap root reaching bottom of shallow pot in autos makes them flower quicker than if in a deeper pot? Some Danish early photos initiate flowering if root restricted, so they finish in time outdoors. If planted directly in the ground they take too long for certain climates.
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            #6
            Originally posted by teide View Post
            I guess you can, but maybe not ideal.
            Straight to 12/12 hurries flowering in photos, no?
            Tap root reaching bottom of shallow pot in autos makes them flower quicker than if in a deeper pot? Some Danish early photos initiate flowering if root restricted, so they finish in time outdoors. If planted directly in the ground they take too long for certain climates.
            Haven't seen that in photos. Do 12/12 on certain genetics indoors in winter. Yield is less, LST with SOG/SCROG amps up yield. It's been my experience...sprout to finish 12/12, majority take 4 months to finish. Sativas....longer by 2.5-3 weeks and 13/11 lighting.

            Try it yourself, keeping a very detailed log of events/dates on your questions regarding size/shape of container and other questions posed. Good luck!
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              #7
              I appreciate your feedback, arid. Four months for photos plus 3 additional weeks for a sativa, seems like 12/12 and 11/13 lighting didn't speed up total time.
              I had the impression that 12/12 from seed is suggested when you want to limit size and also cut down veg time. I was referring to this when saying I want to speed up the process.
              Flowering takes the same time, but is initiated earlier when flowering schedule is applied from seed. In your experience this is not the case?
              There are still many myths circulating, but are lighting schedules and pot size/tap roots among those myths?
              Latest suggestion was from the very breeder of my cambodian landrace. Khalifa genetics suggest small pots and 11/13 from seed both to limit size and to initiate flowering earlier.
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                #8
                I can't speak for tropical zone genetics, so go with whom recommended that regimen.

                I like to grow in taller vs. wider containers that hold 5-7 gallons of medium. It's more for space limitations both indoors or OD. Haven't done a comparison. From seed, roots tend to grow downward (great for autos). Clones have a more lateral root base.

                Keep careful notes on your project....deduce later! Good luck!
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