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    #16
    For optimal results:
    250w (sodium): 20 hours of light, 4 dark.
    400w (sodium): 20 hours of light, 4 dark.
    600w (sodium): 18 hours of light, 6 dark.

    If your plants get less hours could be affect.
    They take longer to start flowering and harvest, but nothing more.

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      #17
      what about magnum outdoor? any magnum pics? please..

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        #18
        Out of curiosity, if light-hours affects quantity why run a dark period? 24 hours/day = More?

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          #19
          @BuddhaSeeds, what do you think about training? LST, SCROG, Supercropping?
          Which one of these could be more effective for plant? What you can suggest with that kind of question? And maybe more tricks for outdoor? What kind of nutrients AF plant loves?
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            #20



            8 weeks from seed she is Vertigo from Paradise Seeds , she grows in an 4.5 L container with biobizz light-mix soil + AN Iguana Juice Grow/Bloom + Big Bud + OverDrive + Piranha , she's in the flush stage at this moment and i lst'd her when she was little.Check out the grow journal if your interested in more pictures on how she grew.
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              #21
              ^ Amazing

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                #22
                Originally posted by cheapwine View Post
                @BuddhaSeeds, what do you think ...Supercropping?
                CW, I tried both supercropping and LST.

                I supercropped successfully once. The other times the branch just grew back to its orignal spot and slowed bud development. Very recently I have been very careful to not over do the bending, snapping, squishing etc. involved with SC. My experience has been due to the short time frame and rapid growth, that SC can be ineffective and slow growth due to the damage the plant is repairing. Besides, it seems like with the rudarius (sp??) / hemp genetics that the stalks and branches are um more bendy, thicker, fiberious and rope like i guess and just go back to the original area they started from.

                LST is the way to go. I have used bambo stakes, chop sticks, bungi cords, fake flower arranging wire from hobby store, large pipe cleaners (again hobby store), heavy duty rubber bands, heavy duty rubber straps, commercial ties from hardware / grow center, etc. They all have worked extremely well for me.

                Here is the thing, once I tie the plant down in the stretch stage the plant will basically take the shape of the LST that you have done.
                At that stage I either, release or untie the LST'ed branch(es) and sculpt another area, or just untie her and let her go wild!

                I have an Ogre right now with 4 main colas and at least 6 secondary bud sites!

                Finally, I have seen SCROG be effective with autos as well, but never have done it.

                Good luck,
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                  #23
                  You guys take autos to serious like its some sort of other thing then the normal varieties , cut the bullshit and grow it like the normal ones except the light schedule , give it 24/0 light till she's ready to harvest and feed her just like a normal plant and you will be fine , you can lst , scrog or w/e.auto's don't need pots bigger then 10L till they finish , 10l is more then enough.
                  So stop making all these fancy threads telling us like you know everything about auto's cuz you dont.Mr Buddha your grow schedule sucks , ever since i started growing auto's i grew them 24/0 with no problem why is your light schedule 20/4 ? Don't tell me "She needs time to sleep"
                  If people would have knew how good are auto's including yeld/flavour/quality they prolly try em but they get missguided by stupid threads just like this 1.
                  Good luck and don't hate the player , hate the game.
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                  Auto AK-47[GOM] & Auto Pineapple Express [Barney's Farm]
                  Auto Vertigo [Paradise Seeds]
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                    #24
                    It would seem to me the point is stacking time over light period with AF. Perhaps coolbud is right doing anything less is like shooting yourself in the foot to save what a few cents to a couple bucks an hour.

                    To put it another way, a use of autoflowering is to be able to flower under the most light possible because the plant can use it. Electricity is cheap in comparison to plant yield, why pinch a few dollars and loose many more in yield. It's counter-intuitive to what the design and intent of the plant is.

                    As for rest... ask the plant in Alaska in summer if they need rest or if they are the world record holder's in size because of all the light they get in a short time. Just saying nature certainly provides the answers.

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                      #25
                      Hello Buddha Seeds,
                      I am going to grow outdoor your Magnum!
                      Could you give me some advice to get the best from this genetic?

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                        #26
                        I love the successive planting of AF's. Too, easy to conceal, moving buckets when having a bbq, party.

                        Been working on my own strains last 4 yrs. They rival or exceed waiting patiently for photos to finish. Interesting hobby, no doubt!
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                          #27
                          First, thanks a lot for the comments.

                          @budchopper and @Mr.BigMama
                          Magnum is our newest autoflowering strain.
                          Here you can see an organic grow journal of Magnum from a spanish cannabis grower whot send us some pictures and dates:
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRfvKoPFYDE

                          We're going to add some pictures for you can see this strain and others.
                          And if you need more info about this strain feel free to write a private message or continue ask us.
                          Here you are some recommendations for grow this strain: http://www.buddhaseedbank.com/princi...res&var=Magnum


                          @boho

                          At day plant uses inorganic nutrients (minerals in the soil, CO2,...), with ligth on create organic nutrients (sugars) and release O2 and water.
                          At nigth the plant uses these nutrients to 'build' structures and tissues (growth), and get O2 releasing CO2.
                          So It's good more hours for autos, but they need a 'dark period' too.


                          @cheapwine
                          We don't recommend any type of pruning or tie with autoflowering strains, for its short life cycle.
                          This could stress plants and reduce their production.
                          The autoflowering have a short period of growth, therefore we recommend using a nutrient-rich substrate,
                          and plant the seed, once it has germinated, in the final pot.
                          With a rich substrate wouldn't need special fertilizer for growth, except in special cases where the plant demands it.
                          Also don't recommend any specific brand of nutrients. Nutrients can be administered how each grower prefer.


                          @Coolbud

                          We recommend that plants need 'slep' because it depends of the strains.
                          There are auto strains that for its short life cycle could grow perfectly without 'sleep' because not enough time to get stressed.
                          But others strains like Magnum (foe example) if don't have a rest period could be affect in its production because its time to harvest is longer.
                          We think that the increase in light hours isn't profitable on the production compared, and it's better let the plants have a period of darkness.

                          Your grow journal looks great! But we write our opinion after the testings done for a long time.


                          @WindWalker
                          We don't like do LST and Supercropped with autos, but if your experience was sucessfull, continue your way.
                          The branches should not return once take off the guides, and if we add the short cycle of AF's, nothing would happen because untie the branches.


                          @aridbud thanks for your comment! We share the same hobby!
                          Have a great future auto-crops friend!



                          Have a great weekend!

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                            #28
                            lighting question for coolbud and buddah

                            as i was reading buddah's original note i wondered why the short days and also why HPS and not MH. When i read coolbud's response it seemed to make sense but he did not disagree regarding the use of HPS. Is there agreement that HPS should be used during entire grow life cycle?

                            The only times i've grown autos before they started under flouros and then went outside. Heavy morning dew made bud rot far too likely so i tried switching from 18/6 under flouros to 12/12 under HPS. Neither method worked - big plants outside with mold or small plants with low yield.

                            Am in a cold climate and thinking about trying a basement grow of some auto blueberry variety. basement temps in winter would drop to 40+ F pretty quick when the lights went out and, hopefully, encourage color change. I intended to use 600W MH or break down and buy 1000W. Anyone care to contribute on HPS vs MH for auto and 600 vs 1000. Also, is there risk of retarding growth letting temps drop so low at night?

                            thanks

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                              #29
                              Get a grow warming mat or heating pad on lowest temp since your basement drops to 40F. That'll keep roots warm, thus WANTING to grow. If you want color remove the mat maybe 3 weeks to final harvest. 600w is ample, depending on grow size area. What's your total grow area going to be? I've used fluoros vertically around the perimeter, MH horizontally on top. Worked great. Because AF's are not light dependent, HPS is a choice. Can you switch bulbs in same unit? During last 4 weeks, use HPS to get the red/orange spectrum. Personally, I've had great results using only MH. I now use LEDs, so greens are greener, very adequate spectrum. Prefer lower electric bill plus less heat output w/ LEDs.

                              You'll find what works best for your basement area. Grow on!
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                              “Plant seeds of happiness, hope, success, and love; it will all come back to you in abundance. This is the law of nature.” ~Steve Maraboli~
                              "Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble." ~John Lewis~

                              afterthought autos
                              We are passionate auto breeders growing organically 2008. We offer 37 auto flowering strains, 17 photoperiods, 14 CBD hemp hybrids via catalog in our decades of breeding expertise. afterthought autos - we are unique quality autoflower breeders for medical conditions and recreational stimulus. Auto breeding 15.5 years, we're running strong!

                              Mentor to 2 parties setting up microgrows (250 plants for GYO/sell with NM Rec. starting April 2022.) Help carve out excellent Cannabis Bill. GROW ON NM!

                              https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by aridbud View Post
                                Get a grow warming mat or heating pad on lowest temp since your basement drops to 40F. That'll keep roots warm, thus WANTING to grow. If you want color remove the mat maybe 3 weeks to final harvest. 600w is ample, depending on grow size area. What's your total grow area going to be? I've used fluoros vertically around the perimeter, MH horizontally on top. Worked great. Because AF's are not light dependent, HPS is a choice. Can you switch bulbs in same unit? During last 4 weeks, use HPS to get the red/orange spectrum. Personally, I've had great results using only MH. I now use LEDs, so greens are greener, very adequate spectrum. Prefer lower electric bill plus less heat output w/ LEDs.

                                You'll find what works best for your basement area. Grow on!
                                thanks, aridbud. Good ideas. Yes, I can change bulbs and all of what you said makes good sense. Instead of buying a new HID rig am going to take another look at LED's as I blow an awful lot of heat into the attic in winter and burn more wood as a result. Would make sense to have LEDs in upstairs grow room where all the heat wants to go and HIDs in the basement going 20/4 and keeping the floor warm while the bud grows. Last time I thought about LEDs the cost shyed me away but will take another look.

                                many thanks ABud.....

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