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    I let those 2 "males" go about 6 or 7 weeks and no sign of pistils. Of course that's not to say there wouldn't have been at around 8 or 9 weeks.

    Any input by people more knowledgeable greatly appreciated.

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      Hey BG, thanks for the pics, i think you have to treat these as males as that is what they behave as. I am thinking you are right about the pollen contamination but of course it us hard to be 100% sure... and its hard to draw conclusions about exactly how many males are present with just 2 seeds popped.
      Did you keep or use any pollen.??


      with these seeds i guess we will never know for sure and it is what it is.
      As i said, given the pedigree and its possibilities, i thought the best i could do is sell them at regular seeds price and make it clear that males were appearing for some reason - then folks can make their own decision as to whether they should give it a try.


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        Hey guys i've been wondering about whether to post up about this for a while....
        So i Crossed the Pre-98 with a reversed katsu bubba. the seed harvest was disappointing - about 50 seeds. I planted one out of curiosity and it germed and seemed quite nice and vigorous. I flipped it to flower and went away for a week.
        Got back and the plant had grown right up into the light

        - and IT WAS A MALE !


        So im wondering if this is another indication of something going on with the katsu bubba and "Male' fems.
        It was just after i got back off holiday that i found it, i had very little time before my kids were up and about and i had to sort quite a bit of stuff out so i chopped the plant without taking a photo, and i wish i had maybe kept it but too late now. i did get a chance to have a good look at it and it looked like a straight male with no intersex traits.
        The Peyote Purple is derived from fem'd katsu bubba and throws males.
        The Purple Kush is pretty defintely related to the bubba (maybe the katsu) and the PK x pre-98 bubba throws males.
        and now the pre-98 x Katsu has thrown a male.


        NEVER any reports of males with the Pre-98 S1s and a LOT of those have been sold.



        I plan to pop more of the seeds for a better test run. Again it is pretty impossible that i could have any pollen contamination... the previous run was all sensi.


        so, inconclusive, but the plot thickens....


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          Originally posted by VerdantGreen View Post
          Hey guys i've been wondering about whether to post up about this for a while....
          So i Crossed the Pre-98 with a reversed katsu bubba. the seed harvest was disappointing - about 50 seeds. I planted one out of curiosity and it germed and seemed quite nice and vigorous. I flipped it to flower and went away for a week.
          Got back and the plant had grown right up into the light

          - and IT WAS A MALE !


          So im wondering if this is another indication of something going on with the katsu bubba and "Male' fems.
          It was just after i got back off holiday that i found it, i had very little time before my kids were up and about and i had to sort quite a bit of stuff out so i chopped the plant without taking a photo, and i wish i had maybe kept it but too late now. i did get a chance to have a good look at it and it looked like a straight male with no intersex traits.
          The Peyote Purple is derived from fem'd katsu bubba and throws males.
          The Purple Kush is pretty defintely related to the bubba (maybe the katsu) and the PK x pre-98 bubba throws males.
          and now the pre-98 x Katsu has thrown a male.


          NEVER any reports of males with the Pre-98 S1s and a LOT of those have been sold.



          I plan to pop more of the seeds for a better test run. Again it is pretty impossible that i could have any pollen contamination... the previous run was all sensi.


          so, inconclusive, but the plot thickens....


          VG

          Hio VG,
          Pitty you didn't pick up one of those genetic sex test kits designed for seedlings.
          Could have easily found out if it was a genetic male (XY) or a female (XX) that presented as a full male.


          I know Phylos was the first to offer those kits, and NOBODY would want to give them a penny these days. However, I think there are other companies offering the service now.


          If you had even a dried piece of leaf from that plant, you might be able to put a "smear" of the genetics on their collection sheet (soak leaf in water first maybe?)
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            Thanks Raho, I intend to grow some more out so may find more then which will help confirm and may allow me to do some testing (although i am in UK) .

            I also want to make more seeds with a different reversal and pollination, which would prove beyond doubt that there is no confusion of pollen.


            i think there is defo something strange going on... I never understood how i could have got pollen contamination making the PK x bubba, and now it seems i have a lead.
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              I love a good who-done-it..
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                lol, it'll take a while but i will do more 'testing' on this ...
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                  Crazy I had popped some of these a few years ago and got a male, forgot they were fems and it was a strong healthy male that looked very pre 98 bubba dom in veg (i dont know what lvpk looks like in veg but from my experience it looked very bubba) so I bred it to a few things. Popped a few beans and got some good crosses. I’ll tey n find a pic and upload it. Out of 5 seeds I popped I got 4 female and one herm that showed in preflower. No nannas on the females tho, and thats only a small amount of seeds so not a good indicator of this being the norm or not from straight males coming outa fem seeds. I want to pop some more now n see wut else shows up...
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                    Heres the 4 phenos,
                    (pre 98 bubba x lvpk) x sureshot










                    I got a few beans left think I will pop some more soon...
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                    DEATHS FROM CANNABIS .............................. .............................. .......someone might die........someday ...........................
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                    Current Grow -Growers Choice 720w vs Momac LED 640w-
                    Current Grow -Mars SP3000 and SP250-
                    -Get Mo's Grow Log-
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                    -sp250s vs sf4000-
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                      Look lovely, 4 girls and one herm? thats encouraging and the idea that the males were actually strongly intersex females is still in play, but like you say not enough to be conclusive. Interesting, thanks for reporting back!


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                        Hi all, as some of you may have noticed..Tom Hill has been posting again. WHat he said about males in fem lines was interesting, and reassuring to me.. it seems that it is possible to get 'males' from fem crosses:



                        Originally posted by Tom Hill View Post
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                        Finally had another male pop up in some of our feminized autos we're running for winter seed production and had a chance to use the youPCR screen. I know that both parents were true females and made the seed myself. Phenotypically, the plant was 100% male--not a single female hair present (they often show up on the tips of pollen sacks on hermaphrodites). The genomic screen came back negative for a Y chromosome. I don't have time or space at the moment to let it flower and pollinate other known females for progeny testing, but that's what needs to be done to move us all forward on this.

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                          Assumed I jumped in on this thread already, but apparently not. It definitely seems that some of the kush lines have had X to auto some ancestors. There is a paper proved by Sam in tom hill's resurrection thread that shows the process of how X to autosome works. This would explain how random recombinations can cause an apparent female line to throw a few males without any Y chromosome present. I know some would argue that no Y means not male, frankly myself included, but some lines do work differently.
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                            HI GMT i'll bring sam's link here, i had a quick look at the paper a while back but still need to read it properly... i'm still keen on trying to find some way of harnessing a 'benefit' to this phenomenum or at least testing it.. but having chatted to you about it, it seems tricky to prove anything from a test grow.

                            Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
                            https://sci-hub.se/10.3389/fpls.2020.569958

                            Genetic Architecture of Flowering Time and Sex Determination in Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.): A Genome-Wide Association Study.
                            Petit, J., Salentijn, E. M. J., Paulo, M.-J., Denneboom, C., & Trindade, L. M.
                            Frontiers in Plant Science, 11.(2020).
                            doi:10.3389/fpls.2020.569958

                            I will add it to my IC BIB this week
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                              Yeah, very tricky. I've been thinking too, the only way would be to find a good male ( that orange scented one someone else found would have been perfect). And outcross it to a known X Y line female. If all offspring were female, you'd know it was down to x to autosome ancestry. Of course f2's f3's would be a lucky dip again.
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                                Oh zif sent me an interesting one too. I have some unanswered Q's on it, which is always a cause for caution, but its an interesting read and one to add

                                https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...823v2.full.pdf
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