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    Cultivating Zamaldelica and Jarilla de Sinaloa by the Danube

    Hello all sativa fans!
    I keep a few cuts of a great Zamaldelica plant (Zam#3 from this thread: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=352693) and decided to make some seeds from it to see what comes up. Even if the results are not very good, I could back-cross to it until I get what I like.


    Last year I managed to pollinate the preflowers of 2 small clones indoor with a smelly unknown Ace Mix male to only produce what turns out to be 9 seeds. I started 3 of them (lets call them ZamAce) this season and they look and smell promising - thin leaves and sativa structure, and stem smells similar to the Zam mother's citric&not-citric tutti-frutti - in the 3 seedlings its again fruity but the sharp citric part is much softer.


    I also have 4 Jarilla de Sinaloa seeds left and decided to grow them for producing more seeds and then perhaps do a selection from these in the following seasons. I found the couple of Jarilla plants grown by me and a friend to have the most authentic old-school mexican high from what I've grown and smoked. The potency was low (compared to modern standards) but the line seems to not have been selected at least for a few generations (from what I could understand from the user Sinaloa - the Mexican farmer himself that has kept and brought the line to the public), so maybe with some selection potency can be increased? We'll see...


    I also plan to pollinate the Zam mother with Jarilla pollen and explore this pure-sativa combination. Zam's potency and Jarilla's clean effect and flavour could mix well.
    "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

    #2
    Great plants and nice choice of sativa's. Pray for a bountiful harvest! I'm subbed.
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    Patience is a virtue and the hallmark of an experienced grower.

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      #3
      The lankiest of the 3 ZamAces:


      The shortest of the 3 turned out male, which not only started with 3 blades per leave and quickly went up to 11 in the same small cup, but also showed preflowers as soon as the 3rd node. In general all 3 plants share the mother's quick and profuse preflowering. Showing definite sex early can be so convenient.

      The 2 females were transplanted outdoors and will be grown in the bushes, perhaps without much care, just to be able to harvest something and check their flowering period and high.

      The male has a very attractive version of the tutti-frutti stem smell - with predominant unmistakable sour (morello)cherry. I'm curious what flowering smell this will transform into! Never smelled cherry neither on buds nor stems, only remember reading about cherry phenos of hybrids like AK47.
      "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

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        #4
        So weird. Just read through your thread on Zam 3 by the Danube and when I return to forum menu there’s this thread! I’m subbed.
        I’ve been working ZamxGuatemala so your Mexican cross is interesting to me.

        Guatemalan tamed structure contributed strawberry and sour Terps and made the high more goofy and less scary while still maintaining “the weird”. I also found the hybrids eat better and have a little bigger heavier buds.

        Good luck!
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          #5
          Good luck yoss! I've also had zam males start with 5 tip leaves...

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            #6
            Good luck!

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              #7
              Hi Yoss,

              Subbed and looking forward to how this year's grow develops. I'm also curious how the extended cure is affecting the Zam #3 high, if any.

              B.T.W., I put a Zamaldelica in the ground hoping for a harvest before the fall frost. Your bravery is inspiring, and helped me to harvest some very high quality bud that was harvested sometime just before mid November. I lost about 2/3 of the buds to a hard freeze, but the 1/3 I harvested was hands down the best bud from last year.

              Best of luck this year my friend!

              ThaiBliss


              The Search for Trip Weed: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=278209

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                #8
                Thanks, guys!

                Hey, ThaiBliss, hope this will not disappoint, but the Zam is getting more "normal" in effect with curing. It's not so devastating and mind twisting as it was in the beginning, still very potent weed though. I remember experiencing the same with Panama Haze when it was devastating in a very potent dreamy way in the beginning, and became more clean and speedy after a year of curing.
                And it's not that I'm getting used to the effect, because close friends of mine that are occasional smokers and have smoked Zam after harvest, and recently, also comment that it's not so "strong and strange" (described simply) now.
                As to what exactly is the effect now, I find it hard to define, because it's quite different and unpredictable every time. Sometimes it's stimulating and exciting with possible flashes of maniac crazy feel, other times it's "dense" and introvert, even smoking from the same bud on different occasions, many times it's just a bit more powerful mental (thinking) sativa. It continues to surprise how high can you get from one hit from the pipe in the evening despite of smoking the whole day before that. I expect the first smoke session to be the strongest, but not here - the first smoke in the morning is usually on the energetic and motivating side, and as the day progresses, the high becomes heavier and more devastating, still from the same quantity. Something like reverse tolerance.
                I find it very nice to smoke when I'm physically tired, like during and after working in the garden, it alleviates all heaviness. But is not so good when I'm mentally tired, like from problems at work, then its effect is unpleasant. Panama Haze is much much nicer in such cases.
                And here's a recent photo of Zam#3, getting ready to receive pollen from ZamAce#3, I like how thin the leaves become at flowering, similar to the photos I've seen of its mother - the Gerrit's Zamal cut:
                "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

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                  #9
                  ZamAce#2 (left) and #1 (right):

                  ZamAce#2:

                  These are quickly getting too big (although topped once), I really don't need them so big, so they'll soon be trimmed seriously...

                  The last photo of ZamAce#3 male, which already dropped its pollen which was used on a Zam#3 clone. I forgot to take a photo of it while flowering..
                  "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

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                    #10
                    The Jarillas turned to be quite unstable sexually. I intentionally didn't pamper them too much, they were left to dry on a few occasions, were not fed well, were too pressed between my tomatoe seedlings, tops overgrowing the lights, etc., so that I could select only plants more resistant to stress... well, Jarilla#1 first showed male pre-flowers and started flowering as a male, then went full hermie and was sacked; Jarilla#3 first showed female pre-flowers and started flowering as a female, but went full hermie and was killed too; Jarilla#2 is flowering as a male though with a few pistils protruding here and there, and is kept; Jarilla#4 is the only one to not show any hermie traits, is flowering as a complete female, and was yesterday pollinated (together with a Zam#3 clone) with pollen from Jarilla#2.

                    Jarilla#2 male:


                    Jarilla#4 female:
                    "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

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                      #11
                      A bit more recent photos...
                      Jarilla#2:


                      Jarilla#4 female:


                      I'm happy with these plants because they are among the 3-4 most "sativa" looking from the pack.
                      "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead up, wouldn't they kill him?"

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                        #12
                        Hi yoss,

                        It's always a pleasure to come in here in spring to find a new thread of yours with your new growing adventures, it's much appreciated

                        Really happy to see you that you managed to save a clone of your favorite Zamaldelica from last year and that you already crossed her with an ACE Mix male.
                        Glad to see the cross is showing desirable sativa traits, leaning towards Zamaldelica terpene profile.

                        My bet is that the male from the ACE Mix was an Orient Express, hopefully we can learn more once we can see more traits of the cross, especially in flowering stage.
                        Nice to see you are already working on the backcross

                        Wish you a great success this year like in previous seasons!

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                          #13
                          Hi sir

                          Glad to hear your Zamaldelica from last year produced the best sativa smoke from the season despite the freeze and being grown in a northern latitude.

                          Originally posted by ThaiBliss View Post
                          B.T.W., I put a Zamaldelica in the ground hoping for a harvest before the fall frost. Your bravery is inspiring, and helped me to harvest some very high quality bud that was harvested sometime just before mid November. I lost about 2/3 of the buds to a hard freeze, but the 1/3 I harvested was hands down the best bud from last year.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by dubi View Post
                            Hi sir

                            Glad to hear your Zamaldelica from last year produced the best sativa smoke from the season despite the freeze and being grown in a northern latitude.
                            Sorry. I wasn't very clear in my writing. Last year's late flowering plant was a Kali Mist cross. Inspiration from Yoss convinced me to try to grow it big. This year's risky Yoss inspired big plant IS Zamaldelica.


                            The Search for Trip Weed: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=278209

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by yoss33 View Post
                              Hey, ThaiBliss, hope this will not disappoint, but the Zam is getting more "normal" in effect with curing. It's not so devastating and mind twisting as it was in the beginning, still very potent weed though... became more clean and speedy after a year of curing...
                              It's not really disappointing that it is still potent but more clean and speedy. I like it like that. Some phenos of Bangi Haze reminded me of how clean and clear a good high can get. I yearn for it.

                              Thanks for the honesty.

                              Originally posted by yoss33 View Post
                              ...the effect now, I find it hard to define, because it's quite different and unpredictable every time... It continues to surprise how high can you get from one hit from the pipe ...Something like reverse tolerance... I find it very nice to smoke when I'm physically tired, like during and after working in the garden, it alleviates all heaviness. But is not so good when I'm mentally tired, like from problems at work, then its effect is unpleasant...
                              These properties all point to what I define as trippy weed. I wonder about how it might have been pushing the ripeness even further. It seems the effect at harvest, might not fully foreshadow the effect 6+ months later. Maybe more various tests this year. I hope I'm lucky enough to contribute to these tests. Hehe!

                              ThaiBliss


                              The Search for Trip Weed: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=278209

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