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    Originally posted by Hash Zeppelin View Post
    more like brokers
    no, they are traffickers, or transporters. A broker or a middleman does nothing other than connect buyer and seller and collect a fee.

    As soon as you move it any significant distance, you are now a trafficker, and your job is to get it there.

    A broker rarely takes more than $1-200 a pack on bulk deals, whereas the transporter can easily make 2-3x that.

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      Originally posted by chefro420 View Post
      Price is dropping just as much on the East Coast . Everyone and their brother is running 10k-16k with undercurrents . See zips going for $150-200 and packs for $2500-3k, nad still dropping . Same deal here unless you have quality , you aint gonna get shit.....
      that makes no sense.
      1 lb is 16 oz

      150 oz would be 2400 an lb
      even 200 oz on 3k an lb would only be 3200.

      200$ margin breaking down an lb to ozs in a best case scenario?
      So 12$ margin for each z? nobody would waste there time or there freedom for that.

      Or maybe I am just high as hell and missing something

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        It's odd that everyone says California is so over-saturated, everyone and their momma grows, etc. And yet still the CA cannabis market fetches 15-30% percent more, at minimum, than Colorado market's broadly speaking. Consider that you can get state-subsidized power easily in California, as well.

        The bottom line IMHO: you missed the gold rush, but you can still make a living growing cannabis anywhere in the United States, from Arcata to Austin, Texas, if your shit is worthwhile and plentiful. However, since its not a gold rush like it used to be, you should move to and pick your favorite spot irrespective of cannabis markets and laws, and grow there. You'll be a lot happier that way IMO. To go big and bad in California you're still risking federal laws. So consider that when you say that you would love to grow and live in the South somewhere but don't want to risk it. You could grow 1/3 as much dope in Atlanta than Arcata and make the same money, more or less.

        Lots of growers (OK, 3 or 4) I know in Humboldt cry constantly about how it's all over and they can't earn living. A few of them on this site. Let me translate that whining for you: "I bought a seven figure house with grow money, it was very easy because nobody knew what was good and what wasn't, and there were not many thugs to deal with. Now people know good cannabis when they see it, there are lots more dangerous people in the game, and prices have gone from a zillion dollars per pound to half a zillion dollars per pound. Waaaaaaaaaa. I might have get a regular job for the first time in 20 years. Waaaaaa."


        Just my opinion, of course.

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          Originally posted by imadoofus View Post
          i wouldnt wipe my ass with a $5 gram.
          Probably ease the haemorrhoidal pain though.

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            Originally posted by kifmaster View Post
            no, they are traffickers, or transporters. A broker or a middleman does nothing other than connect buyer and seller and collect a fee.

            As soon as you move it any significant distance, you are now a trafficker, and your job is to get it there.

            A broker rarely takes more than $1-200 a pack on bulk deals, whereas the transporter can easily make 2-3x that.
            What the fuck is your point?

            Is it bad for someone to grow cannabis? Is it bad for someone to smoke cannabis? Is it bad for someone to broker cannabis? Is it bad for someone to transport cannabis?

            Are the shipping companies of the world traffickers and therefor felons in need of prison?

            What is the true evil you see out there? Someone doing an honest job for an agreed upon price or at their own risk? Or is the real evil small minded fucks and PIGS that have nothing better to do than stick their fucking snouts in other peoples NON VIOLENT, NON HARMFUL business?

            "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

            "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

            The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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              Originally posted by chefro420 View Post
              Price is dropping just as much on the East Coast. Everyone and their brother is running 10k-16k with undercurrents . See zips going for $150-200 and packs for $2500-3k.
              See, we know thats not true cause all you guys are still coming out west and buying things for that or more...and nobody doing cross country is making less than 1k per lb, the standard is 2... Even though price is on the decline because of our failing economy, I don't know one non mmj state where you cant get 4-6k per for good ins. Herbs are selling more than ever, gold rush aint over its just an overcrowded market right now, anyone who's taken an economics class can tell you it will stabilize eventually.

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                Originally posted by SicKSKills View Post
                See, we know thats not true cause all you guys are still coming out west and buying things for that or more...and nobody doing cross country is making less than 1k per lb, the standard is 2... Even though price is on the decline because of our failing economy, I don't know one non mmj state where you cant get 4-6k per for good ins. Herbs are selling more than ever, gold rush aint over its just an overcrowded market right now, anyone who's taken an economics class can tell you it will stabilize eventually.
                OK, heh

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                  im already starting to see a ton of the immigrants to cali's green rush realize that the grass aint as green as hightimes and those stupid pot documentaries made it out to be...slowly peeps are starting to move back to where they came from and i think in the next few years cali will be right back to where it was before the economy tanked and everyone decided to start croppin...we dont have room for sub-par cultivators in a market driven by connesiuers, i swear the bud was consistently better quality up until about 3 years ago...
                  CA Med Patient in STRICT COMPLIANCE with CA Prop. 215

                  my shipping container grow https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=308346

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                    yea quality is slacking for the most part...alot of guys are like "why should i trim this up nice or run an extra week if im only getting 24 a lb"....etc....shit that used to sell for 32-36 all day.

                    prices basicaly dropped off about a grand give or take all over the place....east coast is no longer 55 its 45...cali is no longer 35 its 25...(indoors)

                    outdoors is whats fucking up the market...but most outdoors coming out right now is 7 month old weed that has lost some of its bag appeal. its been buried for the last half year and alot of folks are complaining it looks "old" even with those fancy nitrogen vac sealers....



                    but real talk, not making this up. i have seen good indoor bud sell for 4k in the past month here in CALI flood central. so i know for a FACT that if you have top quality elite hard to find strains you will do alrite. if you are growing some regular old green buds from greenhouse seeds or some shit, good luck getting more than 2400....
                    Cured Bud pictures
                    Flowering pictures

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                      Originally posted by whadeezlrg View Post
                      ..we dont have room for sub-par cultivators in a market driven by connesiuers, i swear the bud was consistently better quality up until about 3 years ago...
                      This is a really good point that people should think about. If your cannabis is to be consumed in CA it is going to fetch a lower price and have to be of a higher quality than almost any where else on the planet.

                      If your cannabis is consumed in other places it can fetch a higher price even with lower quality.

                      This is because PROHIBITION leads to higher price and lower quality. CA and CO are the LEAST PROHIBITIVE of cannabis in the USA and the quality is high and the price low.

                      More production less prohibition and less regulation and prices will continue to head for the floor as quality heads to the heavens.

                      For those of you in this thread and community arguing for rules and restrictions, you are helping to support price and lower quality, while simultaneously supporting a huge WASTE on government overseers.

                      "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                      "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                      The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                        ...can hear right now the anti prop peeps snickering 'see muthafakers'!
                        and i believe some on this site chose to support the status quo knowing they were enabling continuation of prohibition.
                        several astute members' posts reveal the true nature of that travesty. yet few grasp the futility against the beast in this Crusade.
                        blood money...really any money(especially what the CBs are prestidigitating) causes these disconnects between all of us. wholesalers, retailers, consumers...all whining about the inequities of prohibition!
                        live within your means...rid yourself of debt, and be the fuck happy already! there is and always will be a market for whatever, even clearheaded trichs on special. someone who is better off fiscally will buy the best, while what is left will be snapped up by those less willing to part with what they shouldn't be spending on non-essentials to begin with.
                        live long and proper.
                        Last edited by trichrider; 05-15-2011, 20:04. Reason: as an aside, thank you for this excellent thread.
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                        that first hit is FIRE!!!"


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                          Originally posted by trichrider View Post
                          ...can hear right now the anti prop peeps snickering 'see muthafakers'!
                          and i believe some on this site chose to support the status quo knowing they were enabling continuation of prohibition.
                          several astute members' posts reveal the true nature of that travesty. yet few grasp the futility against the beast in this Crusade.
                          blood money...really any money(especially what the CBs are prestidigitating) causes these disconnects between all of us. wholesalers, retailers, consumers...all whining about the inequities of prohibition!
                          live within your means...rid yourself of debt, and be the fuck happy already! there is and always will be a market for whatever, even clearheaded trichs on special. someone who is better off fiscally will buy the best, while what is left will be snapped up by those less willing to part with what they shouldn't be spending on non-essentials to begin with.
                          live long and proper.
                          Shit thats all i have been seeing in my parts for awhile, i cant tell you the last time i saw any amber on the bud i got
                          I'm Rolling Sweets, I'm Smoking Sour

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                            things made from the motivation brought on by easy money will never have the value of things made from the motive of genuine passion

                            this is the difference between a backwoods/dutch master or the finest cuban cigar

                            on top of it most people who seek easy money lack conventional wisdom exasperating the severity of the business cycle, its very easy to see this happen as Cali lowers the bar to become the next BC

                            its greed is a bitch of a bridesmaids whose never really satisfied and never really fulfills

                            the rewards of passion however, now this is a whole different situation all together
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                            What you may win, what you may lose
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                            For the wise men and the fools
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                              Yes4Prop215 and Hydrosun, you guys know what it is.

                              Theres a shitload of factors in what price you are gonna get.

                              The packs going for 25 are going for 25 because nobody wants to smoke them. I havent seen a legit OG or Bubba pack go for less than 35 in socal. That shit people are offing for mid to low 2s, think about the retailer. Whoever is breaking it down, is gonna be lucky to get 250 a zip for some subpar shit, more likely 200, so their profit margins aren't that great. And for the guys moving these cheap packs outta state, they are risking fed time so they all wanna get PAID.

                              Grow good shit, network, and don't be desperate and you will get better than 25. Doesn't have to be OG just has to be well grown and manicured and fetching 3k shouldnt be a huge issue.

                              Originally posted by Yes4Prop215 View Post
                              yea quality is slacking for the most part...alot of guys are like "why should i trim this up nice or run an extra week if im only getting 24 a lb"....etc....shit that used to sell for 32-36 all day.

                              prices basicaly dropped off about a grand give or take all over the place....east coast is no longer 55 its 45...cali is no longer 35 its 25...(indoors)

                              outdoors is whats fucking up the market...but most outdoors coming out right now is 7 month old weed that has lost some of its bag appeal. its been buried for the last half year and alot of folks are complaining it looks "old" even with those fancy nitrogen vac sealers....



                              but real talk, not making this up. i have seen good indoor bud sell for 4k in the past month here in CALI flood central. so i know for a FACT that if you have top quality elite hard to find strains you will do alrite. if you are growing some regular old green buds from greenhouse seeds or some shit, good luck getting more than 2400....

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                                My point was to clarify a difference in the players in the market. A broker and a transport guys' roles are completely different, although many times transport guys also work as brokers.

                                Where did I ever say anything about any of those things being bad or evil? I didn't.

                                Because I used the word trafficker you assumed I was hating on the culture. When I was making a point that the people taking the risk to move the work are making the serious coin, not the guy's brokering packs from their buddies grow.

                                Sorry bro but you are just wrong here. Lashing on me for no reason. Its cool though I forgive you.
                                Originally posted by Hydrosun View Post
                                What the fuck is your point?

                                Is it bad for someone to grow cannabis? Is it bad for someone to smoke cannabis? Is it bad for someone to broker cannabis? Is it bad for someone to transport cannabis?

                                Are the shipping companies of the world traffickers and therefor felons in need of prison?

                                What is the true evil you see out there? Someone doing an honest job for an agreed upon price or at their own risk? Or is the real evil small minded fucks and PIGS that have nothing better to do than stick their fucking snouts in other peoples NON VIOLENT, NON HARMFUL business?

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