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    I just weigh the economic benefits. I happen to think that profit entities charge more than non-profits. IMO, government and business are not only separate, they're opposing entities with government recognizing that equity is necessary, even for the middle and poor. Opposing views of this principle element give us the political parties we have, based on economic philosophy.

    I don't necessarily choose to disband but recognize your rights to see as you choose. Economics is a big part of freedom. IMO, freedom from taxes would simply mean I'd pay far more to capitalists seeking profit.

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      Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
      I don't necessarily choose to disband but recognize your rights to see as you choose. Economics is a big part of freedom. IMO, freedom from taxes would simply mean I'd pay far more to capitalists seeking profit.
      Thank you a million times over, many would have me killed and skinned for wanting to be an individual. Economics is a FUNDAMENTAL part of freedom. If you are into the company store you aren't free (see coal miners etc.).

      "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

      "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

      The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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        Here on the wrong coast a lot of people wish they had California's problems. Just like Amsterdam California's problem is a product of their own success. I feel for those in Northern California where Cannabis has been the only decent source of income for decades. But because of security reasons and back to the country attitudes those counties affected have resisted development and industry. Its a two edge sword and sooner or later someones going to get hurt. But I feel no different than I did in the 70s when Colombian cartels started shipping by the tons and genetics like Panama Red, Oaxaca and Michoacan got pushed out of the market and prices doubled to $30 an ounce. I adjusted and have not bought a bag since. Our brothers in Northern California are going to have to adjust. They are just the tip of the iceberg. Shit runs down hill. Sooner or later the glut will drive prices down to a point that growing indoors is not economical. Most Cannabis on the market will be grown outdoors and we will see $15 and $20 dollar ounces again.

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          You don't push out of the market and double the prices at the same time.

          When you mentioned Oaxaca I started salivating abut the weed I scored in Puerto Escondido. I think your economic resume is a little short to believe your price forecasts but welcome!

          "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

          "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

          The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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            IMO, the old company store left with workers rights. But we've still got it in the form of ColorTime, Rent-A Center, etc. They're only tied to the employer when the truck stops at work to collect from the employee.

            But if the company store charged me less markup than the next capitalist system would, I'd have more economic freedom with the company store. After all, Rent-A-Center etc lobby to charge higher interest rates (and always will.)

            I will reflect what I feel is similarity in government and business. It's the people that make it up, respectively. They've got alternative, often polar interests. That's why I scrutinize most of the info I get from either side. I don't always get the correct answers or the big picture yet often find ad sales media to be the most questionable info of all.

            Greenspan was a decades long fan of Ayn Rand and free markets. After the systemic nature of the pre-bust housing frenzy, Greenspan admitted the idea of free markets is only as good as the people that seek short term gain at the expense of long term stability. In other words, checks are necessary to prevent exploitation of markets. I just hate he waited until he was old as Methuselah to admit publicly.
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              I feel like if you have something everyone wants and your the only one who has it, your already a step ahead of the game.I mean every grower is not the same and honestly the best herb I have smoked in Cali has been grown by east coast peeps.No disrespect intended but its almost like we take it more serious cause of the consequences involved where we are from.I don't know allot of Cali growers but I have met a few and the one word that comes to mind is shady,its all about numbers not quality,orders to fill,units to push out.I moved here to grow heady organic meds for sick people but boy have my eyes been opened lately.Some clubs I have mad respect for and they really help people but most are just scams for drug dealers to launder money IMO. I just want to get my 3 a unit,I don't think that is asking to much for meds that I literally baby through every phase of growth all organically checking the heads with a microscope for peak ripeness. Not to mention no one has my strains out here but me.I just wish it was a matter of clanking my jar down next to the other guy and having my quality speak for its self unfortunately it doesn't work that way quality takes a backseat to prices per unit and how many can you get me type of attitude.I wish they would just go ahead and openly allow recreational cannabis spots like in the Damn.That's the type of place I want to be part of where you don't have to "hide" under the guise of medical and we can be honest about quality and organics cause those are the shops people will want to frequent.Well maybe someday but first we gotta deal with the feds still shutting places down and making life difficult for people who want to imbibe in a plant.

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                Originally posted by DirtySouthTo707 View Post
                I feel like if you have something everyone wants and your the only one who has it, your already a step ahead of the game.I mean every grower is not the same and honestly the best herb I have smoked in Cali has been grown by east coast peeps.No disrespect intended but its almost like we take it more serious cause of the consequences involved where we are from.I don't know allot of Cali growers but I have met a few and the one word that comes to mind is shady,its all about numbers not quality,orders to fill,units to push out.I moved here to grow heady organic meds for sick people but boy have my eyes been opened lately.Some clubs I have mad respect for and they really help people but most are just scams for drug dealers to launder money IMO. I just want to get my 3 a unit,I don't think that is asking to much for meds that I literally baby through every phase of growth all organically checking the heads with a microscope for peak ripeness. Not to mention no one has my strains out here but me.I just wish it was a matter of clanking my jar down next to the other guy and having my quality speak for its self unfortunately it doesn't work that way quality takes a backseat to prices per unit and how many can you get me type of attitude.I wish they would just go ahead and openly allow recreational cannabis spots like in the Damn.That's the type of place I want to be part of where you don't have to "hide" under the guise of medical and we can be honest about quality and organics cause those are the shops people will want to frequent.Well maybe someday but first we gotta deal with the feds still shutting places down and making life difficult for people who want to imbibe in a plant.
                i couldn't read past the second line of this.

                could u get the cheetos unstuck from underneath your space button?

                PLEASE?

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                  Originally posted by TruthOrLie View Post
                  i couldn't read past the second line of this.

                  could u get the cheetos unstuck from underneath your space button?

                  PLEASE?
                  We don't need no stinking carriage returns!



                  "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                  "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                  The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                    Originally posted by DirtySouthTo707 View Post
                    I just want to get my 3 a unit,I don't think that is asking to much for meds that I literally baby through every phase of growth all organically checking the heads with a microscope for peak ripeness. Not to mention no one has my strains out here but me.I just wish it was a matter of clanking my jar down next to the other guy and having my quality speak for its self
                    You'd lose 999 times out of 1,000 or you'd already be getting 3+ and not worried about how poor business people run their club. Hard to believe someone from the east couldn't send it home for at least three

                    "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                    "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                    The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                      Shit bro if I wanted to continue to be a criminal and break the law I would send it home for 4500 but that's not what this is about to me.I want to be a legit farmer not have to worry about LEO kickn in my door every night make enough to pay my meager bills and puff all I want.I don't want to run a mass production warehouse spittn out sub par herb at low low prices just to meet quotas,I would love for you to smoke some of the herb me and my east coast peeps are growing so you could see what I mean.I mean who is gonna have better herb, the 20 man crew in a 100k warehouse working on salary growing chemically produced improperly cured Philip Morris type herb or the 5-10k rooms run by mom and pop type peeps who treat ganja cultivation like a religion and pour over every nuance of every plant.Not trying to be negative man I love it here I'm never going back to the hell hole I got out of and I have smoked some of the best herb of my life out here grown by people that obviously know what the hell they are doing and have been for 30 plus years now.No disrespect to Cali at all.I just think top quality deserves top dollar and I kinda feel the clubs should have a better way of discerning the bullshit people sell as bomb from the real thing.Maybe they just don't care.

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                        Your distinction is with out a DIFFERENCE. If you grow cannabis SCHEDULE 1 then you do. If you believe that makes you a criminal then you are in agreement with the federal government. If you don't believe that makes you a criminal then you DISAGREE with the federal government.

                        From there what you do with your CANNABIS is your business and you are STILL a criminal in the eyes of the FEDS, but NEVER in my eyes.

                        "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                        "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                        The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                          Originally posted by Growdsix View Post

                          SOON...

                          the new thcless cannabis is here..the pollen will be spread by planes...

                          here is the real threat...

                          link.http://www.gwpharm.com/Cultivation.aspx




                          the gene at locus O allows the production of the initial phenolic precursors (resorcinolic acids). These combine with geranyl pyrophosphate to create the intermediate cannabinoids CBG and/or CBGV, the central precursors for the end-product cannabinoids THC(V), CBD(V) and CBC(V). The functional allele O is co-dominant; O/o hybrids have a low cannabinoid content and o/o plants are cannabinoid-free.

                          The ratio of propyl- and pentyl cannabinoid precursors is determined by a postulated locus A, which is still under investigation.

                          The CBG/CBGV intermediate is further processed by the alleles of locus B. BD and BT are co-dominant; the BD gene converts CBG(V) into CBD(V) and the BT gene converts CBG(V) into THC(V). In the BD/BT genotype, codominance allows the expression of a mixed CBD/THC chemotype. Also at this locus, non-functional alleles, designated B0 can exist; these are unable to convert the CBG(V) intermediate and leave the plant with a CBG(V) predominant chemotype.

                          Locus C is fixed so all plants have CBC synthase activity. CBC synthase competes for the same CBG(V) precursor as the synthases encoded by locus B (THC and/or CBD synthase). In 'normal' Cannabis plants, CBC synthase is only active in the juvenile state. However, our scientists have discovered genetic factors that induce morphological mutations that are associated with a 'prolonged juvenile chemotype'. Prototype CBC production plants carry these factors in combination with B0/B0 at locus B. In these plants CBC synthase has no competition from THC or CBD synthase.

                          Had a friend who just got back from Hawaii saying that Monsanto has some huge complex out there where they are working with cannabis - probably something fucked up like this. If no one has seen the movei " what in the world are they spraying " then you should watch it, fucked up shit.


                          My personal garden:
                          https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=211246

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                            Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
                            IMO, the old company store left with workers rights. But we've still got it in the form of ColorTime, Rent-A Center, etc. They're only tied to the employer when the truck stops at work to collect from the employee.

                            But if the company store charged me less markup than the next capitalist system would, I'd have more economic freedom with the company store. After all, Rent-A-Center etc lobby to charge higher interest rates (and always will.)

                            I will reflect what I feel is similarity in government and business. It's the people that make it up, respectively. They've got alternative, often polar interests. That's why I scrutinize most of the info I get from either side. I don't always get the correct answers or the big picture yet often find ad sales media to be the most questionable info of all.

                            Greenspan was a decades long fan of Ayn Rand and free markets. After the systemic nature of the pre-bust housing frenzy, Greenspan admitted the idea of free markets is only as good as the people that seek short term gain at the expense of long term stability. In other words, checks are necessary to prevent exploitation of markets. I just hate he waited until he was old as Methuselah to admit publicly.
                            Amazing debate going on here between you two. Truly inspiring to see two minds coming together to hash out ideas in such a way. I am indeed torn between the two of you. While the idealist in me supports the idea of a flat tax, the realist in me recognizes that the big business lobby will find a way to buy the system or work it to their advantage in the same way that they have bought our government. I think all of us would agree that the American government has basically ceased to act in accordance with the wellbeing of the vast majority of Americans and no longer aim their goal at helping maximize the freedom and wellbeing of Americans but instead aims their goal at whatever the powerful Washington lobbies tell them to. Because of this I can not in good conscience support the actual establishment of a flat tax system unless the prerogative of Washington in general is seriously changed. Acceptance of a flat tax system would be a concession by middle and lower income earners in our country and I don't honestly believe that corporations and highly wealthy individuals would bear the same brunt under the leadership of the same Washington community that has systematically sold out the American people since the 80s. Anyways, just wanted to throw my meager two cents into this incredible debate.
                            RIP Moth - A brother never met always known! Peace be upon you now and forever!

                            How do you leave this world? Better or worse than you enter it? This is the measure of success, not money in the bank or stuff in your house but the measure of impact whether positive or negative that you make in the world in which you live.

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                              Originally posted by Rainman View Post
                              Uhmmmm.... if you believe there are/were more pot shops in LA than Starbucks you are very gullible indeed. Who needs to Google it to see that for what it is? A lie.
                              line!!
                              the starbucks thing isnt too far off base L.A. had over 2000 shops at one point 2 yrs ago.that is more than starbuck coffee.I know i live there.and this is somthing to consider,the average price per lb in cali has dropped to arround 2000 per,yet the same people are still selling the 2000 lb for 40 an eighth,thats over 4 g a pound,so tell me somthing who is really getting ripped off

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                                they just raised the bar a little. if you aint getting 3200 or better . refine your growing skills and strains.DAVESNOTHERE edit. if you aint getting what you want than your probably growing truckloads LOL. may i suggest as you probably have become a marijuana master at growing you next need to master marketing. this can be learned even in school. if you grow more than i weigh each run than i dont know what to tell ya the bubble has burse for ya. i hope your overhead is low and your freezers are large . good luck
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