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    Originally posted by ion View Post
    --what do you think the price would be if grows sucking more than 20KwH/daily could not be profitable?
    I for one would seek the treasure elsewhere.

    --what do you think the price would be if there's rolling blackouts this summer?.....say east coast and west coast..
    If it's a supply inhibitor the price probably won't trend down. Raising the price doesn't command distribution, it seeks it. Wouldn't be a stretch to suggest your scenario increases prices.

    --how many growers can provide their own supplements(everything you add to plants during the grow)...and power for lights?(no gennies..)
    I venture only up to the blackout possibility. Cost management and grower ingenuity will in part dictate margins.


    with all thats going on...economic fuckery/escalating u.s. "democracy" spreading/global radiation release/climate+solar activity.....plus many other issues......id say quit worrying where the prices will go.......id say figure out a way to keep the lights on for 3-5 days w/o having juice....(or gas)
    I don't look forward to the trends of the last 3 decades. IMO, it'll get worse before it gets better. We might have been better off if the top suffered similar losses as the middle and lower class. Who gives a flip if my low risk, long-term investments recover quickly when retirement poses even more expensive living standards?

    I don't consider myself a class warrior but the top has had their pillow fluffed more than enough. IMO, trends need to lean more toward consumers ability to absorb the cost of living. That includes the less than mega-grower.
    Last edited by DiscoBiscuit; 03-31-2011, 22:17.

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      Originally posted by Yes4Prop215 View Post
      so its ok for the mega wealthy corporations to get billion dollar tax breaks but not ok for a middle class grower to save a few grand by signing up for care??

      doesnt make sense...i dont see how a grower using CARE is the same as someone skimming credit cards...no where close.


      also...what are you commercial warehouse guys paying per 1k in your area....i heard a friend of freind got a warehouse with care but i cant find any info on it...says care is only for qualified households on the website.
      OK maybe not credit card scams. but essentially if you make more than 36k annually and you are on CARE, you are a thief. plain and simple.

      go hit up the food stamp office and mediCAL while you are at it. bro.

      its ok. big corporations dont pay taxes. lol

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        thingshappening, Justification implies measurable accuracy. Morality implies religion. Ethics might be a more accurate term and judgement isn't necessarily justification.

        How does one reflect moral judgement on ethical standards?

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          Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
          \Morality implies religion.
          not so much...
          one can have morals without gawd
          WHO DAT

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            Originally posted by dagnabit View Post
            not so much...
            one can have morals without gawd
            Yes religion isn't a necessary component of morality and ethics. One may be highly moral and ethical while at the same time having NO RELIGIOUS affiliation or belief in a higher power.

            We all have internal moral compasses, some of the least moral and ethical people I know proudly claim their religious faith.

            "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

            "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

            The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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              I agree some strains will get more money per unit than others and I think that's the way it should be.I think we need more hazes and haze crosses,I mean that's the herb that fetches top dollar in the damn shouldn't really be different here. It takes forever and yields poorly but the quality and positive mood enhancing effect make it worth so much more IMHO.I am going to give up some yield and focus on nice organic quality Haze influenced (new to Cali)genetics and see if I can get prices back in the high 3's to 4 where they belong.

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                Originally posted by dagnabit View Post
                not so much...
                one can have morals without gawd
                Until the Moral Majority said no in the '70s. Rather than embrace a word hijacked by religious intolerance, ethics became a catch phrase for non-religious guidelines or less than.

                Morality has two principal meanings:
                • In its "descriptive" sense, morality refers to personal or cultural values, codes of conduct or social mores that distinguish between right and wrong in the human society. Describing morality in this way is not making a claim about what is objectively right or wrong, but only referring to what is considered right or wrong by an individual or some group of people (such as a religion). This sense of the term is addressed by descriptive ethics.
                • In its "normative" sense, morality refers directly to what is right and wrong, regardless of what specific individuals think. It could be defined as the conduct of the ideal "moral" person in a certain situation. This usage of the term is characterized by "definitive" statements such as "That act is immoral" rather than descriptive ones such as "Many believe that act is immoral." It is often challenged by moral nihilism, which rejects the existence of any moral truths,[5] and supported by moral realism, which supports the existence of moral truths. The normative usage of the term "morality" is addressed by normative ethics.
                Referencingthe word ethics is a way to escape the potential of religious context w/o having to specify.

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                  Originally posted by DirtySouthTo707 View Post
                  I agree some strains will get more money per unit than others and I think that's the way it should be.I think we need more hazes and haze crosses,I mean that's the herb that fetches top dollar in the damn shouldn't really be different here. It takes forever and yields poorly but the quality and positive mood enhancing effect make it worth so much more IMHO.I am going to give up some yield and focus on nice organic quality Haze influenced (new to Cali)genetics and see if I can get prices back in the high 3's to 4 where they belong.
                  I applaud your effort and hope that eventually there is a wide enough market to appreciate all different styles, strains, and qualities. Unfortunately as it stands now there aren't many categories, prohibition is furthering this problem, and top dollar is what the market sets.

                  You may spend twice as long to achieve the same yield with your haze compared to a cali kush. If so you'll need to receive TWICE what the kush can fetch to keep even. That is where the rub comes in, the universe, the market is just not willing to pay top shelf kush X 2 for ANYTHING.

                  Also I think that Adam is filed with hazes because that is what they started with, if Iranian / Afgani kush made it there first it would be the popular selection.

                  The real truth is the only way to guarantee you get top price is have top quality. As many have said.

                  "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                  "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                  The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                    Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
                    Until the Moral Majority said no in the '70s. Rather than embrace a word hijacked by religious intolerance, ethics became a catch phrase for non-religious guidelines or less than.

                    Referencingthe word ethics is a way to escape the potential of religious context w/o having to specify.
                    Fuck the "Moral Majority" and groups that hijack words. For example some money is "illegitimate" and needs to be "laundered" because it was earned by a cannabis cultivator. These church going types are the ones that make up imaginary crimes out of activities the participants have no complaint with. These moral fucks are locking up millions, a special level of hell is reserved for this "Moral Majority."

                    My moral compass is my own and the US Gvt line is no where near dead north.

                    "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                    "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                    The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                      Originally posted by Hydrosun View Post
                      Fuck the "Moral Majority" and groups that hijack words. For example some money is "illegitimate" and needs to be "laundered" because it was earned by a cannabis cultivator. These church going types are the ones that make up imaginary crimes out of activities the participants have no complaint with. These moral fucks are locking up millions, a special level of hell is reserved for this "Moral Majority."

                      My moral compass is my own and the US Gvt line is no where near dead north.

                      I agree, I think. Maybe hijack was the wrong way to put it. But the movement so placed an emphasis on morals that ethics was embraced as spiritually free expression of principles or lack of.

                      Conversely, ethics isn't necessarily government associated, even though the term is popular with elected officials. As a civilian in the true sense, ethics applies to my principles where as an agnostic, morals don't. IMO, morals represents one and a higher inspiration. Agnostics may lack recognition of a higher inspiration and ethics may apply exclusively.

                      It's one of the reasons that folks whom embrace both morals and ethics separate the two.

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                        Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
                        I agree, I think. Maybe hijack was the wrong way to put it. But the movement so placed an emphasis on morals that ethics was embraced as spiritually free expression of principles or lack of.

                        It's one of the reasons that folks whom embrace both ethics and morals separate the two.
                        No hijacking was the correct term, not only do they want to tell us how to live they want to tell us what words mean, George Orwell 1984 style.

                        I didn't get that memo I don't cede the English language to these fucks, so I claim to be MORAL even though I drink, gamble, swear, and use a SHIT load of cannabis (but only in church).

                        "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

                        "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." ~Thomas Jefferson

                        The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ~Fed 47, A. Hamilton & J. Madison
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                          Hey, where do I sign up? That sounds like my kind of church.

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                            Upset about Corporations not paying taxes? You should look into the Uncut movement. :http://www.usuncut.org/
                            "Make the most of the Hemp seed, and plant it everywhere." George Washington
                            “Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see.” – Thomas Jefferson
                            Expendabilty:
                            Kirk, Spock, Dr McCoy, and ensign Ricky go down to an alien planet. Guess which one isn't coming back!

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                              Uncut? Is that a Jewish reference? More like a circumcised penis up the proverbial shaft. GE (and others I'm sure) staffs lawyers and accountants that are former Treasury and IRS officials. They pour over the bills they wrote that were voted into law. Then they find their own loopholes to jump through.

                              Six months ago, I heard cable tv reporting that 35% of former US [now global] corporations pay no US taxes. The other night a reported said 65%. I'd lay odds that 100% of the global entities formerly and currently based in the US pay no federal taxes. The only major player boasting jobs is WalMart and I bet they don't pay jack to local, state or fed.


                              thanks for the link

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                                start a company that employs 100,000 Americans and you might get some perks too.

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