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    Originally posted by dagnabit View Post
    no one has 'splained to me yet how prices will go down while production/distribution costs go up in a legal market?

    Yeah buddy...my thoughts too...
    Its ok to let people in, sometimes...

    Originally posted by Vorsprung
    yeah.. that point you feel like every molecule in your body is melting down into the couch, and you're wondering if you've shit your pants or you just can't feel your ass, and you think your teeth might have fallen out... that's when you've had too much edibles.

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      The debate rages on. A bunch of broke mofos trying to stiff a hard working farmer thats all it is. Marijuana is a weed that loves to grow but to get it to its true potential it takes a skilled grower. Prices at the grow store are skyrocketing. Electreicity rates will continue to climb but folks who cant grow or just dont grow will keep bitching about high prices on a product they want. Here in the murder mitt low prices at the collectives have done nothing but push growers back on to the black market where the prices are still fair. This market should be no different from the wine market you can either buy a bottle of boones farm or a bottle of crystal. If you want the crystal shell out the big bucks.
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        Originally posted by Yes4Prop215 View Post
        theres a pretty big difference between wild weed growing on the side of the freeway compared to high quality indoor grown bud....costs of production are totally different.

        sure...your outdoor mega crop airy schwag will be around for 100 bucks an LB or the other "magic fairy" prices.....but good top shelf indoor...that barely covers its production costs.


        also...in a legalized market, there will be MORE regulation. only facilities with proper sterilization, etc are gonna be able to sell their buds legally. and you better bet the governments gonna wanna their cut...so i honestly see buds still selling for 200-250 an OZ its just gonna be a larger cut for the state...and just because its legal doesnt mean you can grow on the side of the freeway.....theres most likely gonna be restrictions on where you can grow as well, just like currently under 215..

        all the regulations and taxes should keep prices from totally bottoming out....but id imagine in a legal market with storefronts and everything...an OZ of top shelf high grade marijuana is gonna be around 150-250 an OZ with about 50-60 bucks going to the gov..

        theres gonna be tons of weed around for your lowball prices, there already is..find a shitty grower and lowball him. you can get ounces of low grade indoor fuckery for 100 bucks in SF!! but its nothing i would smoke! same with your outdoor guerilla weed...
        Hold on. Somewhere in this post I'm pretty sure you claim that top shelf which costs $3k+ a lb... costs nearly $3k+ to grow?

        You know, if you live in the same building as your plants, they're not the only ones who pay rent, right?

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          There will be a "2 buck chuck" of wiid eventually. But there will also be top shelf. Prices will stay high for the best of the best, that is simple market dynamics. Those who possess the "best of the best" will be tested and culled. Indoor growing, at home for profit, will no longer be feasible if you don't have a commercial power source. But this is a LONG ways away. Like decades. 46% of america is ready for recreational wiid, that's not enough. 76% of american are ready for medical marijuana, that is where we should focus.

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            Originally posted by Grass Lands View Post
            Yeah buddy...my thoughts too...
            Ditto!

            Quality is an issue indoors, as there are still tons of dipshits growing lousy weed and selling it to tightwads at a discount. Growing costs are increasing constantly. But the price is coming down? Dispensaries getting closed left and right will raise prices on the street too.

            I hope the assholes who got into this to get rich are sitting on 1000 pounds of worthless crumbly outdoor, and have to move back to their home state since they clearly can't cut it here.

            /Born and raised in NorCal.
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              Wholesale pot prices plummet in CA

              Its funny cuz the same people that bitch about falling prices are the ones scrambling to produce as much half ass shit as they can, freaking out about money, so they chop early without flushing. This very behavior is what continually lowers the price. I don't care how broke you are, you should still be trying to produce the best product possible. Quality over quantity.

              I know of a few people with large grows in NorCal that feel like they have this limited opportunity to push out tons and make cash before the market completely dries. Sorry, but I'm here for the long haul, this isn't a get rich quick scheme, get in and get out. This is a lifetime passion for me, and anyone who just sees this as their next con game is sorely mistaken. When big pharma comes in, they will have the quantity game on lock, but it will take them years and years (if ever) to get the quality on lock, so focus on quality.
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                Originally posted by dagnabit View Post
                no one has 'splained to me yet how prices will go down while production/distribution costs go up in a legal market?
                You've had several examples, Licky. You just don't agree. Sometimes it's as easy as recognizing you're making a different argument.

                Your argument has been (and always is) a bit niche. Your examples are extreme and few care to validate or quantify retail forecasting.

                Or the definition of legal.

                Or the economic ramifications of regulation and taxes from a rather winged point of view.


                Because we'd have to pretend to agree with your pretext to debate your argument. But those are as politically complicated as your argument itself. You might find more agreement with like minds.

                You can price it, you can sell it. Nobody's suggesting you can't do either. You'll just need a seller's market and that's dwindling as a whole.

                One of the main arguments you've received simply recognizes that black market pricing influences the status quot. No niche aspects, just the macro.

                Your arguments are so micro specific, I'd have to quote you directly to point out you've played both sides of legality to make your point.

                But I'll paraphrase...

                On one hand you argue that legal weed is the same price, unaffected by Cali reform laws. At the same time entire threads come and go, reflecting the squeeze. Your arguments center on idealistic, seller's philosophy more than reality. If you were out there selling you'd know what reality does to idealism. Nobody's saying you can't dream but sooner or later you'll have to apply it.

                On the other hand, your forecasts of regulation costs into pricing actually exceed the black market. Maybe I need to look for black market produce?

                At some point we have to stop reinventing strategies for debate. You no more have to accept my interpretation than anybody else'. I for one am pretty certain that your views are so unique, debate tends to drift to minutia in order to support your main argument. It's too politically lensed to view from different perspectives.

                So I can manage to agree with your crux in hopes of laying this to rest...

                Exotic product = exotic pricing.



                And a legal market will squeeze the illegal aspect of pricing out of the equation. Whatever inflationary elements you choose to add back is your choice.

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                  Originally posted by TruthOrLie View Post
                  Hold on. Somewhere in this post I'm pretty sure you claim that top shelf which costs $3k+ a lb... costs nearly $3k+ to grow?

                  You know, if you live in the same building as your plants, they're not the only ones who pay rent, right?
                  never said it costs 3k to grow...i said # were going for around 3k in cali currently. my quick estimates show im spending about 800 bucks per light per cycle indoors...probably higher. PGE and rent on the growroom alone are like 80% of the costs....and i split up the monthly rent between the 4 lights too. PGE is 250 per 1k per month here in cali, around 150 if you got the care discount.

                  my production costs, because i grow indoor in a house, are pretty high costs that arent gonna work in legalized commercial industry and it will be time to rent out a warehouse and start doing greenhouse on the outdoor acres.


                  edit: i just recrunched all my numbers and came out to 650 bucks per light per cycle, and thats a super lowball estimate because i have CARE, have below market rent, and 60 manhours (1 hour per day w/ 60 day strain) divided by 4 lights so 20 manhours per light. i only get 1 per light now with the OG still dialing, havent committed a full light to any other strain yet.


                  but i did the numbers on my buddies grow, who doesnt pay CARE but standard rate, has a higher than average monthly rent per room because he lives in a nice neighborhood, and pays for teenage plants at very high rates as well (50 a pop)...hes paying damn near 1600 per light. so sorry for my friend, but id imagine if he doesnt adapt soon he might be out of business..luckily he produces some nice dark GDPurps that is flying off the shelves for 25 a pop...he gets between 1-1.5 a light.
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                    Originally posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
                    Whatever inflationary elements you choose to add back is your choice.
                    the inflationary nature of regulatory cost increases in a "legal" market are not at the producers discretion...

                    the fallacy herein is the comparison to produce.
                    let me know how high you get off of cukes
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                      also alot of the guys dumping prices for cheap in cali are stealing power and growing way over limits, thereby reducing their costs.
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                        Originally posted by dagnabit View Post
                        the inflationary nature of regulatory cost increases in a "legal" market are not at the producers discretion...
                        Agreed. Whether you wish to serve the high end market, not so much.

                        the fallacy herein is the comparison to produce.
                        let me know how high you get off of cukes
                        Exactly my point. You place extraneous parameters on a comparison, effectively making it [your] fallacy.

                        Compare weed to whatever you want. The black market aspect retains higher pricing until virtual capitalism supply-and-demand does the opposite.

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                          Originally posted by Space Case View Post
                          Its funny cuz the same people that bitch about falling prices are the ones scrambling to produce as much half ass shit as they can, freaking out about money, so they chop early without flushing. This very behavior is what continually lowers the price. I don't care how broke you are, you should still be trying to produce the best product possible. Quality over quantity.

                          I know of a few people with large grows in NorCal that feel like they have this limited opportunity to push out tons and make cash before the market completely dries. Sorry, but I'm here for the long haul, this isn't a get rich quick scheme, get in and get out. This is a lifetime passion for me, and anyone who just sees this as their next con game is sorely mistaken. When big pharma comes in, they will have the quantity game on lock, but it will take them years and years (if ever) to get the quality on lock, so focus on quality.
                          Exactly, its all about quality on the west coast. If the non-reightous people out there are going to complain, than move to the east where you can grow a ton of mediocre herb an get rid of it with no problem.

                          The way i see it, this is a modern day gold rush, and eventually the rush is going to end. The govt or big pharma will eventually realize how much money they can make and take over for the most part.

                          However In order for the govt to man up an legalize, they will have to realize one thing.... That half of the police force, prison guards, DEA, and many other govt / state authoritys will need to be fired. And i think this is a huge reason it will stay illegal for years to come, cuz in my opinion, our government is turnin more an more fascist year by year. The U.S govt wants as many people as possible working for them.

                          There are so many problems with our society/govt it makes me sick to my stomach when i think about it.
                          Legal Prop 215, CA resident

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                            Originally posted by Yes4Prop215 View Post
                            also alot of the guys dumping prices for cheap in cali are stealing power and growing way over limits, thereby reducing their costs.
                            I hate to see growers getting busted. I just hope it's the players adding criminal aspects, making it tougher for people that purchase costs. I'm not the judge but legit growers are being squeezed by exploitation. Cali is a burgeoning capitalist market. Unfortunately, players will be regulated to benefit the whole.

                            I hate to observe the paradox but busting the criminal ops will help supply and demand problems for non-criminal growers.

                            My wish is that the criminal element sees the same playing field of legitimacy. Instead of peeps going to jail the criminal element will see nothing much to exploit. Then things won't be so tough on folks making a livelihood growing quality.

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                              Unless your income is less than 36k a year, you are ripping off taxpayers by signing up for the CARE program and are purely in it for the money. I suspect most growers in the CARE program also do not pay their federal and local income taxes so they are double fucking legitimate taxpayer citizens. Greedy, lazy, and ignorant as far as i'm concerned. Man up and pay your share. If you have marginal growing skills, this should not be a problem. Otherwise you are as scummy as the folks running credit card scams, boosters, and rippers.

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                                Say that to Jeffery Immelt. GE made 14.2 billion in profits and paid zero in taxes. And they got 3 billion + in additional breaks. John Stewart jokes that's a -60% tax rate for GE. Is the math right? Who gives a flip. They're also in the process of stripping what remains of US workers' benefits.

                                IMO, you can't squeeze the legit grower out of business. They'll stop what they do best when the margin no longer sustains their effort.

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