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10-28-2009, 12:30 PM
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Is Super Silver Hazy enough?
I somehow messed up the initial post and have effectively started 2 journals!, if you want to read from the start please click here and at the end of the page you jump to you'll find another link to bring you right back here, thankyou
Tom Hill's Haze
So lets have a quick look at Tom Hills Haze.
Tom originally obtained his Haze from Positronics, this is the original Haze Sam the Skunkman came to Europe with from Cali around 1985.
Tom has worked his line for many years, and many more generations now, it is not a typical one generation per season deal with Tom, he is far more productive than your average breeder.
It is a little complicated, Tom was asked "How many generations his 2003 seeds were from the Positronic stock, Toms answer will explain his method very well. Not having the notes to hand he answered 2-7 generations removed from Posi stock, it seems odd until Tom goes further
Quote from Tom Hill
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"Each year I pollinated females with male pollen mixes, then saved the seed from only the excellent females after the smoke was tested. In 2003, I gathered seed from all of the best plants from generations 1-6, grew them, and let them pollinate each other. Follow? But it gets more complicated, because each year I typically will sprout several generations of seed, not only seed from the latest generation. So that a high percentage of the later generations are products of matings to earlier generations. IE, there is a span of generations included, as apposed to an exact number of generations removed from the original source".
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The 2009 seeds are due out in a few weeks and it would be an understatement to say this release is eagerly awaited!. In the same thread the quote above came from [Vendor forums/Tom Hill/Haze] Tom was asked which lineage he thought contributed the most to the quality of the Haze, the Columbian/Mexican or Thai /Indian side?
Tom explained that while he wasn't privey to the exact natures of each side but felt it was more Thai-like
Tom Hill
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"That being said, I have always felt that it was more like the Thai I have smoked more than anything else. It is clear and electric and very strong, penetrating - rocks me to the core".
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On the flavour Tom went on to say
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It is very complex but I'll give it my best shot. Three complex components. A Thai-like lime citrus, an herb collection (rosemary, thyme etc), and a high school metal shop (metallic/oily). These 3 components are represented to varying degrees depending on phenotype - some are more herbal, some more citrus, some more metallic etc". -Tom
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His best I have saved till last, this summary from Tom has me drooling every time I re-read it, which I do a lot, I made it my sig, he was asked if he had grown out The Flying Dutchmans version and his thoughts on it compared to Positronics Haze
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Hi GreenintheThumb,
I am familiar with most all current Original Haze offerings. To be fair though, some I have not looked at very extensively. However, none have been able to move me near as much as this old Sam line via Posi. My selections have focused on high-quality resin production, and imo this line is the Haze resin-queen.
Occasionally the typical armchair Haze expert will come along and inform me that my line is a Haze hybrid due to the occasional broader leaf - exactly like the drawings of the Thai seedling in the opening pages of Clarkes MJ Botany. It all falls on deaf ears though.
When I am requesting a clean-up on isle 9 due to my mind being split open, or am afraid to drive my car high on a decent sample (4 hours after smoking it) - all perspective is put in its proper place.
I'm almost afraid to release it, tehee, some of you will get so noided-out that you will shitcan your current IC accounts only to return a few weeks later under new handles after the Haze clears.
My friend CBF has been growing my Haze stock for years, and I don't think he'll part ways with it anytime soon.
This plant is my holy grail, by far, nothing can touch it.
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I was very kindly given permission to post these pics by Tom Hill please don't copy any of the 4 pics in this post without the same permission thank-you.
Tom Hills Haze, pics #1 & #2 are from Toms seeds grown by his friend CBF as he mentioned above.
Below, Tom Hills Haze. One of Toms ladies heavy with seed, a sight for sore eyes, actually for a Haze nut like me this is laser surgery
I have been cheeky here, I asked Tom Hill if I could borrow 2 or 3 pics but I could not resist posting 1 more, I know any Haze lover will understand my impudence .
Really though, I would not post if I thought for a second Tom would mind
It will be nice if I can find a top Haze clone mother for personal smoke, I should say here it is all personal, whether friends, family or I smoke my flowers everything I grow is free. If I grew to sell I guess I would need bigger yielding Indica types with that wonderful 'lets sit here all day' stone, mmmm, no thank's, don't get me wrong I like to get stoned but I prefer to open my mind up. Warning - Sativa lovers mantra coming -
I don't understand the Indica attraction to be truthful, with a nice Sativa you have a herb that can lift you to previously unexplored heights, open the creative part of the brain to receive messages in a whole new way, so colours appear brighter,♪♪ music crisper, clearer.♪♪
Instruments are heard on favourite tracks where before they were silent.
The creative smokers will get busy as rivers of ideas flow, going back to music a second, take the classic albums of the 60's & 70's, the musicians were high on the pure Sativas of the day, these guy's acquired the best samples from South America, high grade Columbian and Mexican strains. From Asia, strains with almost acid like, soaring high's from Thailand, Cambodia & Vietnam, just a sample of the Marijuana available in this 'golden age' of pot.
If they had only Indica's to smoke goodness knows what records they would have churned out, I imagine something in between Grunge and Punk Rock 
The most mundane of jobs becomes a pleasure when you're high on a nice Sativa, every task is carried out with relish, you can bet the 7 dwarfs filled a bowl or two before they 'whistled off to work'
Defenders of Indicas will be quick to point an accusing finger at a potent Sativa, telling you it can induce crippling paranoia, It's true! It can, I readily admit that, doesn't mean you are bound to to get paranoid though. I would argue that if you get paranoid you might want to look at your situation rather than the Sat, your underlying fears may need dealing with before you should use powerful mind altering herbs or drugs. my 
Back to 'lè differance'.
While I am admitting things, Yes!, you could get even stuck to your sofa with a powerful Sativa, but you will not in a stupor, dribbling out the side of your mouth!.
With a Sat' you'll be still traveling while seated, you'll go on wonderful excursions to far off places, OK you can trip off now and then on a nice Indica sample, it wont be the same, only a Sativa will get you to the Gods.
EDIT :- To save anyone else sending a PM in support of Indica lovers everywhere.
I promise you, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote this, I am just kidding, just a bit of fun. I love all Marijuana and people who smoke it on the whole, no-one need be upset or angry with me, thanks. 
But I digress, again!
Back to Tom's Haze, my hope is to find a male or female, showing something interesting to use on any equally attractive SSH. I am quite excited about these crosses.
Just by the by and something else to look at as we go along, I also have something I feel is quite unique! not a haze or haze hybrid, it came from a pack of commercial seeds from a well company, already quite potent, unbelievable taste/scent, this hybrid is from well loved, infamous parents, if the taste/smell ever transfered to a nice Haze it would be spectacular.
It may well suit a SSH too, we will see, more on that as I go along with this, she has been in flower now for the last week, I have taken copies of her for safe keeping and I will introduce her at a later date, when she is worth seeing.
I will bring us right up to date in my next post, I have some SSH started and some Haze germinating we can check on too.
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I had been waiting quite a while to get hold of some Mr Nice's SSH at the time of the last release, I wanted to give my precious seeds the best start and went off to buy new clean coco, my regular supplier has decided to stock Galuku Coir instead of Canna 'Pro+' Coco?, I don't know why but the new stuff looked very nice indeed, it has many more of the 1mm sq chunklets and hardly any strands of cocofibre that Canna's has.
It looked ideal, I had soaked my seed for 12 hours as usual.
I prefer to use body temp water for 12hrs than leave in cold for 24hrs,
I popped each of 18 seeds into single cups of the new coco, still being Summer I didn't need to heat the cups, around 3 days later all but 3 white seeds, that never sunk!, had emerged.
Seeds from Mr Nice have superb crushproofing, real tough plastic vials you can see in the pic, a few white/light seeds got through but that is why Shanti throws an extra 2 or 3 in, it's a Nice touch.
Super Silver Haze, 18 seeds - note pale ones.
I noticed after 2 hours under the CFL that the cotyledons had started to shrink, I could clearly see they did not look succulent and they were in trouble, I used no nutrient whatsoever and figured it must be the coco, I had blindly assumed it was as safe as Cannas coco is for seedlings.
I based my assumption on the packaging and quality of the actual coco, I never imagined it would be salty, It certainly was. What do they say assumptions make of u and me.
I did not want to disturb the seedlings by transplanting them, they were in shock as it was, so I decided to leach all I could from the pots.
I ran as much as it needed till the run off was clear but now feared they may well be waterlogged and will need as much oxygen as possible to get over this shock.
I had to perform a rather disgusting operation in order to remove as much water as possible. I closed two of the three drainage holes in each pot and sucked the excess from each hole, in each of 15 pots, it was awful, all the bits of coco all cold and the vile dirt taste. I have since ttached a straw to an old tube for a wet vac, I have not needed it for plants but it is great for cleaning dust inside my PC.
In the end I lost only 2 of 15 so it was not too bad, they looked so bad at one stage I re-ordered some more seeds quick in case I lost them and they had all sold out, still it just means more to select from in the end, I have done the bread and water week it took to re-buy more ,0)
I have to say the damage done to the plants was not confined to losing some seed leaves and the odd bottom leaf.
They took weeks until they started to re-grow, I do mean weeks at least 2, I was thinking this would slow up any pre-flowering I was waiting on. Surprisingly right on 6 weeks they have more or less all shown, I am almost certain I will have 9 females and 4 males from this first lot. As I said the seedlings were pretty much dormant and so I began to spray BioBizz Alg-A-Mic, It is a seaweed and algae based tonic/nutrient, it seemed to do the job of kick starting them and has brought them to full health.
Below, the SSH seedlings at 6 week's, small because of the damage but now looking fine, I could not get them out but you get the picture.
As I have said I will also be growing some Homegrown Fantaseeds (HGF) Haze, this is has the same origins as Tom Hills, Sam the Skunkman to Positronics Seed Co to HGF.
Now, my memory is not first class these days but I do recall something of this Haze from 1997, my husband and I visited Amsterdam for the High Times Cannabis Cup of that year. HGF won the 'Seed Company' trophy in their first year as a seed-bank. Many judges dismissed samples of their Haze as it had very little 'bag appeal' and we ended up with a few samples being given to us, we never gave them another thought until back home ages later we see a High Times the cup results issue I believe. One regular writer had mentioned HGF and how the Haze bud was a scruffy little bud but neverless a "bud with class" I am certain I am correct here, I am afraid the High Times was lent out and not returned and any time I ask if there is a collector out there it falls on deaf ears - anyone?
When we read the bud with class comment we rushed to find where on earth we put our?, we did find them and the instant we smoked them we agreed this was a quality smoke, I don't recall it being fantastically hazy in taste but it got you very high, maybe other samples were Hazier tasting, I do hope so.
I had forgotten all about the HGF Haze until a while ago I was on Seedbay when I see packs of the same Haze for sale, they wrote it was the entry in 97 so I believe it to be the same, also these are the last time HGF will make this Haze available.
It MUST be fete for me to grow these, I ordered a pack from the Bay and when they arrived, there was two packs instead, plus 2 lots of freebie seeds, the Seeds are Haze x Skunk from Sam the Skunkman, perfect or what!
I wrote to the Bay asking if I could keep the seed and send the cash instead?.
The Bay guy's kindly said they prefer I kept them with their blessings and if I wanted to keep the Karma flowing it would be nice, I will be happy to do just that, what a nice gesture huh.
HGF's Haze seed x 10 soaking in a touch of liquid seaweed
So I stuck the first pack to soak a few days ago and they have started to emerge now, so far 4 have shot out and no sign of more over the last 2 days. I will soak the medium once more to encourage the others to sprout and give them a day or two, they sometimes need that extra soak to kick off, I will re-pot the seedlings in a day or two so I don't disturb any just starting to sprout, but need to do it soon and bury some stem, these guys are over 3 inches tall, and they are right next to the CFL so I don't think it
is just stretching.
3 inch tall girls, very ready to pot on and give me the chance to bury some of that stem.
So we are up to date now, back soon, cloning the first SSH ladies and putting the seed plants into 12/12.
I'm really intersted in your quest in the Haze dept, and will subscribe to this thread. Here is a link to my IC introduction, so you know where I come from. Good luck Hazy Lady, and keep the good words flowing!
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=130748