Trainwreck

[mrbean]

Wish people everywhere could enjoy the strain that goes as "Trainwreck." A very unique smelling, SE Asia born 100% sativa that can rocket boost you through the day. I have seen a few Canadian seed companies touting that they have it or crosses w/it included.....very curious indeed :) All our crop was grown by Thai illegals in Yosemite National Park- about 2200 plants in total. Since I can't ever get as good of a Kali Mist outside of a FEW places in NL, Trainwreck is the closest damn thing...but a bit better. Definite Haze qualities...along the lines of Catpiss, Diamond Cutter, Cave or Laughing Buddha.

Yoshi

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[Guest]

ah, Trainwreck! An excellent variety indeed! I was fortunate enough to run into a guy while in Northern California who gave me a cutting of some Trainwreck after we smoked an L of it and I had this huge shit eating grin on my face that I could not whipe off. Excellent variety, but I have found it to taste much better than Haze.

take it easy and good luck

[mrbean]

Anyone have feedback on some of the T-Wreck crosses that are available only from Marc Emery? (unfortunately)


Thanks!!!

[Guest]

Mr,Bean,

Will you be entering that in the 4/20 cup with SD? I wish I had more of it send. I just finished a grow of it and sent it to a couple of friends and I got a 9 on her for an overall score. I think she is a bitch to grow though. Sensitive to PH and needs strong nutes to grow well.

[Sportster]

Wish people everywhere could enjoy the strain that goes as "Trainwreck." A very unique smelling, SE Asia born 100% sativa

I've enjoyed the pleasure of tinkering with TW now for about 20 years, give 'er take a year 'er 2...LOL!!!! an I'll never get rid of it either, I can't get sick of that special effect an aromas it produces, 1 of a kind for sure!!!!

SE Asian born???? are we sure about that???.....I mean I know SE Sativa play a role in the genitic makeup of TW, but is it fair to say "born"??

just wonderin' what yer feelings are about that??

Stay SAFE.....

[Guest]

I though I had read that it was a panamanian, columbian gold, afgani and something else mixed. Made up in oakland cali. not quite all sativa but 3 out of 4 strains used for the cross to make up Trainwreck.

[Sportster]

Made up in oakland cali.

Almost....a little closer to the Oregon border than that ;) and east of Oakland!!! ;)

Stay SAFE....

[Guest]

My mistake, That is the describtion of Blizzard not trainwreck. Do you know the make up of Trainwreck Sportster? A fine mix it is. Wish she did better for me though. I will be practicing with her till I get it right though.

[Highlighter]

What I've heard is it's mostly thai with a killer mexican and a bit of Afghani.
Stay clear of the Emery crap.They stole their version from HBD. I grew out the HBD version, and while it's quite good, it doesn't live up to the yrs of hype I've read.

[Coopdog]

I posted some pics of my Arcata "cut only" Trainwreck in my gallery. They are at 32 days flower in the pics and are growin under two 400 watt lights, one HPS, one halide.

[Guest]

Love the TW clone from the Bay Area, it is the real deal. Been the same for several years now, and this one is a keeper.

The first round of cuts from cuts are 2 weeks in bloom and the leafs are covered in trichomes that smell THAT way!

A nice mom was kept and will be maintained as long as possible.

For personal medical use - TW is certainly one to keep around.

\_ Joe

[MossMan]

Sucks that some of the best smoke seems to only be available in clone form(ie.Aeric Cali-O,TW,etc.)

[Peg Leg Pete]

I've heard from a med grower in humbolt that trainwreck has some of the same qualities as nyc deisel because it parents are similar. I think the parents are a mexican sativa and afghani (indica) and then a columbian sativa. I've also heard from the same grower that it loese something when it is crosed. He says that he has made several croses with it but that none of the croses are as good as the trainwrek by its self.

[Coopdog]

My arcata cut trainwreck is from Humboldt county. Mine is at about 44 days now, and my god does it ever stink!!! I took a sample of it a week ago or so, and even fast dried and early it was some of the most potent weed I have smoked. I cannot wait for the finished product here in about two weeks or so. :)

[Peg Leg Pete]

Trainwreck is suposed to finish at forty-two days for a up high and latest 56 day for a more couchlock stone. What does arcata mean?

[55DaViD]

Well hook us up!!!

[MossMan]

I agree with David lol

[Sportster]

What does arcata mean?

Its a place in No Cal....Humboltd Co. to be more persice ;)

Stay SAFE....

[Guest]

I'm not sure how to attach the pic yet but here is the trainwreck clone I got from N cal.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=944


This is from flipping 12/12 20 days ago. Ain't she just what everyone wants in the garden.

Not big on yield but she makes up for it in the effect area.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/325tw_1_022604_2_.JPG

[MossMan]

Whats the buzz like Hashcraver.Looks real nice for 20 days

[Guest]

A real nice sativa buzz MossMan. I think one of the best herbs I have had. Makes you out of focus for a little while. Balance is off a bit too :D. But after that you want to get up and do something.

This is the second go with this and only got one nice clone and the others look like they really liked the screen the last time so they are just laying over wanting someone to prop them up :D

[Guest]

hey all, damn finally able to post up:D

anyone have some info on the steve tuck beans around. I know of a few growers that have um, and theres a pack up on cbay.

Im sure the selfed clone........anyone else have a tidbit or two?

[DrJay2001]

Train Wreck (originally called E-32) was developed in Humboldt County, CA in the late 70's. It's a combination of lowland Thai Sativa, Mexican Oahaxcan Sativa, and an old line Afghani.

TW does finish (from clone not seed) in 42 days. We let ours go 44 and have done longer but it doesn't get better.

TW has a distinct lemon diesel smell and more trics than I've seen on most plants. Trics begin showing early. I'll try and get some pics up.

Yours,
Dr. Jay


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/798HumboldtTW.jpg

[MossMan]

42 days?Thats awful fast.Whats the yeild on it like?

[DrJay2001]

It is very fast. My buddies who grow TW outdoors at altitude go a full 60 days but indoors it's one of the fastest strains in terms of popping fast and finishing fast.

TW is not a high yielding strain. You can expect a good 33% less than a comparable Indica. The thing is that the bud is so potent that 80% (12-14oz)/1,000W is considered good.

Yours,
Dr. jay

[Guest]

Good morning Doc,

How is the yield outdoors compared to indoor? This is my second run with it and I can say that it sure isn't a big yielder at all.

Is there anything special that you could tell me to do to get mine to look like yours? I did a scrog the last time with them and only had 2 clones to work with. It stretched nicely to fill half the screen but I didn't let them turn up and grow a bit before turning 12/12.

I am also using a 1k hortilux bulb and soil. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.



http://www.overgrow.com/edge/gallery.php?userid=702314&lastpage=1&perpage=36&folderid=850&action=view&sortby=&in=tw-010704.JPG&s=

[DrJay2001]

Hey HC, I've had the same problems as you. The key seems to be to veg them out long enough to shape them a bit. Keep the soil loose (we only use 20% soil) and keep the ferts coming.

The lowland Thai in TW makes it an almost "vine like" plant. It'll creep along. So ya train them up and into wire in a SCROG and you've got it.

My buddy who gets much better yield than me grows soiless with constant feeding.

I'll have some pics of our new TW girls soon. They are today just 4 days in flower.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

[SuperBonBon]

Man, those frosty fan leaves have my mouth watering.

Frosty Fan Leaves + Butane = Golden Honey Oil

And me oh my, what I wouldn't give to have a little TW oil for a rainy afternoon.

You guys say that the pH tends to be a little problem and that they really suck up the nutes, so it sounds like a perfect hydro plant to me. Anybody out there trying their's in any sort of water culture?

SuperBonBon

PS: If anyone would like to test out their shipping method for viable clones, I'd be glad to be your dummy run. :)

[DrJay2001]

That pic was from a Humboldt garden. Mine are smaller :-) but from the exact same clone. Here's the girls at about 13 days into 12/12.

I wish my camera were better. These girls (now at 17 days) are showing frost on the damn stems! Yikes. More pics in a couple of days.

Yours,
Dr. jay

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/798Train_Wreck131.jpg

[Greenja]

late to the party i c hehe

I'm too growing the tw from n.cali for the first time. wished drjay had posted earlier about the low stretch lol I thought it would've stretched alot more than it did. I just did a small scrog on the side of my kfb/ogre main grow an am day 33 right now and also was noticing she's maturing alot faster than my indica Ogre so I'll expect to harvest early at 42 dys..thx for the heads up!

greenja

[DrJay2001]

Welcome to the party! You're right that TW grows like a vine or a bush. Very little stretch.

Our Alibi do a 3X stretch in flower as do the Lifesaver (Sativa pheno).

I checked our one TW that's nearly ready (a retiring Mom). She's at 38 days and the hairs are starting to turn amber. I think 42 will be about right. The Lifesaver have to come down at 40.

For those who think I always cut to early :-) not totally true though I like "green bud". We let our Alibi and Kush go 60.

Yours,
Dr. jay

[greenhit]

I got the TW x BigBud clone at Oakland 3rd story, and it
was pretty good, and potent. So we went and got two more to make mothers. The alibi/texas mystic I grew which was
teh indica pheno, was weak. Must of had more sweet tooth
in it. ? Looked hell of good, but the high just wasn't there.
So we chucked it. We pick in a couple of days, Mothers Finest
and some Firecracker and Blue Heaven.

adios,
-greenhit

[DrJay2001]

You know GH you're right about the different pheno's, both for Alibi and for the TW crosses. I think it takes a good eye and some luck.

We grew TW x Salmon Creek Big Bud and loved it. I thought it was every bit as good as Train Wreck alone. The thing is there were pheno's galore with some much better than others.

The Alibi is like that too. The pheno's that finished early for us were quite sweet. The SWT#4 is deceiving. It's a nice mild stone but it looks great. Other pheno's (like the one we kept for a Mom) went a lot longer, stretched like crazy and have a spicy taste.

That pheno (we call it Red point) was only one of eight. When the Alibi got knocked up and we sent out some F-2's we think the variation will be even greater.

Frankly we don't know what type of Train Wreck the TRC boys used in the cross. None of the Alibi pheno's was at all Wreck like. Still, we got a prize Sativa girl and we're VERY grateful. We also have the Alibi x TW seeds now.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

[just one blunt]

Like Sportster, I been puffing on trainwreck for quite a long time. Surely, it ain't been 20 years, more like 4-5. The smell is just amazing isn't it? I also love asking people what it smells like and getting a million different answers. This one guy on OG said it smelled like a burrito !!??

TW yields well in SCROG if you know what you are doing. A standard method for TW has been 4x8 rockwool trays with 2000 watts, seems to yield 3.5 to 4 pounds everytime. I think if you cut too early it may effect yield a bit. I like to let mine go full 9 weeks. TW responds well to heat and CO2. resistant to PM as well.

I know I've been blasting the same TW pics over and over and over, but my last harv has been truly one of my best. And since then I moved and stopped growing so I miss the flowering wreck beauties and the irie feeling of walking into the garden full of blooming wreck.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/91811finger-med.jpg


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/918TWnugsCO2-med.jpg


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/918TWnugstooheavy-med.jpg


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/918tw-pride-06-med.jpg


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/918tw-pride-07-med.jpg

[Guest]

Yep. "Smells like Burnt Sunflowers" as a non smoking friend once said.

Have a sample finishing up in a few weeks. Such a pretty flower!

Psssst...

Pass it on!

-Joe

[SomeoneYouKnow]

Originally posted by Sportster
Its a place in No Cal....Humboltd Co. to be more persice ;)

Stay SAFE....

Wait - Sorry . . I missed that . . .WHO is from Arcata?

Me stomps around in Garberville!

SYK

[Guest]

WoW, I hope my TW clones turn out that good. I'm really surprised to hear they don't stretch much, but that good news for me. I hate plants that stretch past 3 feet when growing inside. Can't wait to get mine going in a few weeks. Thanks, to all the nice people posting the info on this strain. Helps me out a bunch, what to look for and how they grow. Keep the info coming
Later

[poopypants]

had the pleasure to smoke trainwreck a few times. Don't know how it made it across the country but good enough for me :D
Has an odd smell of lemony gas to it. You'd smoke some and just be stupid. My buddy actually has some in his freezer from a few years ago. I don't know how he kept it that long, but i guess he just smoke as much as he used to.
What ever happend to the seeds Tuck was selling, where they any good,?i wanted to get some but never was able, i need to get my hands on this strain it is just to fucking incredible

[DrJay2001]

"Has an odd smell of lemony gas to it. "

Exactly! Just one Blunt, those are the prettiest Wrecks I've seen. Absolutely lovely!

Yours,
Dr. Jay

[Sugar]

there are alot of questions regarding the origin of the TW, one thing is it did come from northern cali, but it has no thai in it, the taste and structure are too disimilar to a true thai. however, it is mor than likely it came from a durban cross. anyone who thinks the TW is stretchy/leggy, needs to try a real sativa!
anyone?

[DrJay2001]

I've heard numerous stories of folks who claim to have developed Train Wreck. Most are simply not believable.

The most likely origin of Train Wreck was in the late 70's early 80's in Humboldt County.

The strain was originally called "E-32" and was found growing LOW near a stream next to an outdoor field. Train Wreck is indeed Thai but Lowland Thai. It's a creeper. In Humbodt it was crossed with a good Mexica Sativa (I think Oahaxcan) and a very old Afghani brought to Humbodt in the 60's by a wandering hippie who brought the seeds from the Hindu Kush.

When you cross Wreck you get a huge range of pheno's in the F-1 including the Thai. The Thai takes FOREVER to flower from seed and is just a nice up buzz. It's the combo with the Afghani and Mexican that kicks Train Wreck up to legendary status.

Yours,
Dr. jay

[Sugar]

i certainly agree with the afghan influence, but am still sticking to the durban side of things. ;)

[omega7]

Very nice just one blunt, damn those flowering buds look beautiful.

I was wondering if anyone knew where to get GOOD Trainwreck beans. I've been trying to get ahold of it for almost 3 years now (every since my buddy got ripped on an eighth of it in San Fran) Ive read about how some places were selling imposter seeds. So any help in locating legit TW seeds. I am aware that it is pretty much clone only if you want to be sure it's def TW. I just need to be pointed in the right direction by someone who has grown legit beans from a seedbank etc. Even a place I can get a clone. I am on the east coast, but I visit california periodically. I am almost 30, I do not have cancer or any possible fatal disease or illness, I just smoke to help with my adhd and a few minor problems like insomnia so please dont suggest a med co op or compassion club or places like that, it has to be somewhere I can get it for non med patients since I do not qualify. Thanks again guys.

Hey DR Jay, what is a good pheno to look for?

[DrJay2001]

The deal is that the real deal Wreck only has ONE pheno. It's been propogated as a clone for over 20 years like Cali-O. The plant growes like a vine (that's the lowland jungle Thai). The leaves are very Sativa like. The entire plant will frost with resin with resin appearing within a week of flower. They'll finish in 40-50 days.

There are seeds that AREN'T hybrids but they take forever. The deal is that TW flowering is governed by the gene that measures "time from germination". In all other strains I know the genes for photoperiod are dominant but in Wreck it's time from beans.

That means the plant from seed has to VEG for nine months. Then you can change the photoperiod and harest 42 days later. Folks don't want to do that but I think it's worthwhile to grow one at least for a Mom.

Durban is an interesting suggestion. The real deal poison that I smoked was every bit as strong as Train Wreck. I mean it took your frickin head off and was WAY off limits for newbies. Still, I know that the strain came to Humboldt via Hawaii and before then Southeast Asia.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

[Joemutt1978]

Its from California sent across the country to my neck of the woods, great stuff, thanks guys!

[Sugar]

yes your direction is right, and hell, real SA durban is messy stuff! lol! i have a friend who has bush in his garden in SA, it grows back every year..........so much so that it killed the shrub seperating his and the neighbours garden!! fucking potent stuff! i believe that crossed with the afghan is the intensity shown in the TW. unfoortunately the true TW ois a hermy, but having said that only rarely do its flowers open.

[Guest]

Great - then I MUST have the real deal :D

I just love this clone.

The smell of a freshly broken nug is unmistakable.

\_ joe

[Sugar]

thats right JD, absolutely no denying which are the true TW plants!
little peckers, and one hell of a funky smell! ;)

[sensibudz]

looks nice fellas.

[Guest]

I love reading this thread and all the info that is coming out about TrainWreck. Was wondering if anyone seen this with their TW? I'm noticing on my mother plant that i'm getting three blade and single blade leaf more towards the top of the plant. I'm getting to top her to bush her out so i can get a bunch of clones, just wondering if this is common.
Thanks, keep the info coming.
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/63TW_4-24a-thumb.JPG
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http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/63TW_4-24-thumb.JPG
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[DrJay2001]

Hey BG, that does, indeed, look very different than my Wreck. It's a darker green and the leaves are broader. Is it a hybrid?

Yours,
Dr. jay

[Guest]

The dark color could be from me hitting her to hard with the Fert's. No, from what i'm told from the person i got it from it's the real deal. I don't want to say who i got it from, because i don't want everyone PMing them asking for clones, but i've seen the grow from the source and they look like yours. Maybe because it's a clone and haven't grown it out. I've had Bubblegum, Hawaiian Skunk do this and i think they grew out of it, but it is alittle werid.
Got me

[DrJay2001]

Mmmmm....It's growing rather stalky as well. It could be about when the clone was cut? In any event I don't think they look overferted. Is that even a word. LOL.

Yours,
Dr. jay

[Guest]

Got me, but will see when i get my run of them going end of next month. It might be a word, but it works for me. I don't think they are over fet, just that all my plants have that dark color from the Pure Blend Pro and Grow Big from fox farm, also add some Cal-Mag Plus and some Karma. Maybe it's from the Fets that i use. The leaves do look alittle bit different.

PS, Maybe it's Walley's new DuckFoot TrainWreck. Lolllll

[Sugar]

i looked at your pics BG from your tW thread, and they do look very like TW there, but they dont here. i woulkdnt worry, thye have been stressed somehow, and will grow ouit of it soon. btry flushing the 3 part fert mix to 1 part griwng medium, with a mid - full fert mix. that should have em right as rain!

[Guest]

I've had the same thing happen to my Hawaiian Skunk. Got me what happen but they grew fine after awhile. Just was getting single and three bladed leafs. Will see what happens in a few weeks. She healthy and i'm happy with that.
Thanks

[Greenja]

Hey BG, yeah, I've seen that one bladed shit on a few cuttings of the wreck. Not sure why...but stressed could be the cause. I also agree it'll probl out grow it. Easy on the nuts for a bit and see how she goes.

greenja

[Joemutt1978]

yeah easy on the nuts!!! LOL

[homegrownsweets]

cant wait until i try the crystal locamotive i bought its the closest to the real deal trainwreck i can get for now.