Becoming an ICMAGAZINE (online) Subscriber....Your Chance To Help....

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Becoming an ICMAGAZINE (online) Subscriber.....Please Help....


I.C.Magazine online has come along way in the 4 years since it was launched here on the internet. We have seen it grow expotentially with many interested and interesting members joining us to share their joys in growing and using the plant that brings us together creating a community with a common interest.

As the site has grown so to has the costs of keeping it here for all to use for free. The server and bandwidth costs have now got to a level that I now find difficult to cover from my own pocket.

To be able to upgrade the site and keep it current and exciting with new features also requires funding to employ a technical professional to accomplish this...

So to off-set these costs I have decided to ask for ICMAG Supporters to subscribe to this site.

The ICMAG Supporters once subscribed will have the title 'I.C MAG SUPPORTER' next to their user handle (just like I do have now)... and access to a subscribers forum where upon the request of the subscribers I can make sub-forums for those that might want them for any particular related topic.....

ICMAG Supporters will also have the opportunity to aquire rare and unusual genetics in seed form thru special privaledges to purchase pre-releases and rare varieties from various breeders and these 'specials' and how to get them will be advertised only in the subscribers area......along with other offers not open to the regular membership.....Also each Supporter will have up to 1 whole gigabyte of gallery space....far more than the current 150 megabyte limit as a regular member.....

For many members the beauty of the subscribers forums will be that they will be troll free and a place on the site that you can get together with other supporters without the rude interruptions and interferances that we see on the regular forums from members that are just here to cause trouble and disscontent.......

So if you wish to help ICMAGAZINE.COM.....the best way to do it right now is to subscribe.......Subscription is completely voluntary and hopefully I can find enough of you willing to help out to make a sizable dent in the costs of keeping the site up and running and here for all to use.

Subscription costs will be $250 for lifetime subscribers membership... $100 usd for 1 year.....$75 usd for 6 months......or $50 usd for 3 months.........for conversions into other currencies go to www.xe.com ICMAGAZINE will accept any major currency.......

Please send your subscription along with your ICMAG.COM user handle (so that we can activate your subscribers account) to :I.C.Magazine, Unit#2. 22 Eden Street, Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, KT1 1DN, U.K. (United Kingdom)......

*when sending cash or Money Order (only) for your subscription to ensure delivery please use an 'overnite' service.......if you use the regular post there is a very slim chance a letter may get lost......make your M.O. payable to 'ICM'....

....as soon as we receive your subscription we will activate your ICMAG supporters account.


Thank-you for your kind indulgence....

Gypsy Nirvana

[Kenny Lingus]

Hi Gypsy! I'm really in. Just wanna know how a lifetime subscription works...

Will it be personal or connected to the username/nick. (I really just wonder if it will be possible to change handles after subscription to ICMAG?

PS! You have any overnight carriers to recommend? (I don't know any but DHL around here, but not sure how it works out though.
(Is Western Union or Forex ok or is that something else maybe?)

[JamesChong]

I like it and will be sending in my money. I think you came up with a great package and I'm not just saying it. I hope others agree and you can get the funds you need for the site. I like the fact on the prerelease on seeds and specials. I think that's what got me and also having more space for your gallery. Just my 2 cents and I think it's a great idea.
Take care,
BG

[RED145]

"Subscription costs will be $250 for lifetime subscribers membership... $100 usd for 1 year.....$75 usd for 6 months......or $50 usd for 3 months........."

Thats crazy!! 50 bucks for 3 months!!100 bucks a year!!

Good Luck with that Gypsy,I hope it works out for ya. :rasta:

[blazeoneup]

Thats crazy!! 50 bucks for 3 months!!100 bucks a year!!

Good Luck with that Gypsy,I hope it works out for ya. :rasta:

Well the upside is it is not mandatory, So it isnt as if gypsy is forcing anyone to pay here, Just merely givin us all the option to help support the site.

[PeavillePride]

Well the upside is it is not mandatory, So it isnt as if gypsy is forcing anyone to pay here, Just merely givin us all the option to help support the site.
:joint: Thats what im thinkin.Some might not want to,but some will.Will we be able to make payments to $250.Like can i send 50 now and before that ends send another amount until the 250 is paid in full , before a year ends?Peace and stay safe,PVP :wave:

[Babbabud]

yes and are their family rates for the people like the mrs and I that have more then one family member from the same household ? heheh

[MoeBudz^420]

Well, if there was any site I'd pay into it'd be this one, since og has gone the way of the T-rex. But its a little too rich for my blood, I'm with red. If it was a bit less, more ppl might "bite"... (like me)

Peace

[Gypsy Nirvana]

$100 divided by 365 days of the year works out at 27.3 cents per day.......or 1.13 cents per hour of use.....so says this calculator here......how much did that cup of coffee....can of soda.......or pint of beer next to you cost?


I'm not going to entertain a payment plan.....(the administration nightmare scenario glares at me)...... Babba's (Mr and Mrs).... since you both have helped out as Moderators in the past you get a free subscription anyway.......can't really charge the Mod's now can I?

....Subscriptions are not transferable to any new nick you might want to create...(more admin nightmares) and cannot be inherited nor used as part exchance for a new car or vacuum cleaner......

.....Subscribing to ICMAG.COM is certainly not mandatory........if you can afford it and want to help out then by all means become a subscriber......we could use the help to at least pay for a part of the overheads of keeping the site here......

[Endo]

i love this site to death. but those prices are a tad steep for me, im more than willing to help but 250 pays some of my rent. still accepting seed donations?

[Stoned Cold]

Gypsy, I think you've done a great job at listening to your ICmag peeps and I appreciate the fact that we are more than numbers in your eyes.
I'll gladly support this idea, as well as making available some KILLER genetics!

WELL DONE!

[Gypsy Nirvana]

i love this site to death. but those prices are a tad steep for me, im more than willing to help but 250 pays some of my rent. still accepting seed donations?


Yes we can accept seed donations for a future fundraising effort but at this time it will not get you into the subscribers lounge.....we can make you an 'I.C.MAG DONOR'.....and that could be seen next to your user nick............It will take some time to organize........I just wish I could pay the server fees with seeds NOW....lol!


Hmmmm.....thinking about it maybe we can create a 'Doner's Lounge'......let me think on that one for a bit....

[Stoned Cold]

Ya know, maybe you could have a 'request system' where everytime a particular breeder/donors freebie is requested w a PURCHASE, that breeder/donor gets $5 towords the subscription? Would that be feasible?

[RED145]

I thought the whole idea here was to help with the server cost??
For instance the little personal site I run cost me 95 dollars a year,thats for the whole year.I realize this place probably has alot more bandwidth and storage but there is no way in the world it costs more than say a thousand a year to host,no way.....in which case donations would offset the cost.its all guessing since you wont post how much a month it does cost.

IMO,,,this is seperating the forumn,causing a GREAT deal of more work(seperate forums,added signature,and alot more work for someone) and to be frank......sounds like a nice way to generate another income.

What happens to all the hundreds and hundreds of dollars ABOVE the server costs?

It's your place,run it like ya want,I just dont agree with it.It turned from trying to help someone out,into a nice cash cow,and I got NO PROBLEMS sending money or seeds or donations,like I said this is my home too,BUT....I wanna know what it costs to run this place before I send anything willy nilly.

:wave:

And the whole seperate forum to discuss things in private,isnt that called a pm system?

[Guest]

Well the 250 sounds like the best deal and I would consider the cost retroactive ... because I've been looking for trouble (enjoying the site) here for 4 years ... at the cost of ... Nothing ... Consider me IN when I get done with this move and some funds get replenished ... Will I at least get one of those Greenhouse T-Shirts that have my name printed on them ?

[RED145]

Thats not entirely true,...........I have to pay my ISP monthly and my electric bill,it is not entirely free to come here.But I do,so count me in!!

And I was aked to come here,back in 04 there were lottsa pot sites,this one was created and wanted membership......no mention of having to pay later.Because getting members here would be an avenue to sell seeds at the bay and the boutique.......

[Guest]

I'm not questioning anyone elses reasoning ... I'd be paying for electric and Internet access even if IC never existed ... This is all a BONUS in my eyes ... a bonus I don't mind chipping in for when I can ... and I really want one of those shirts ...

[AmishFarmer]

I would like to contribute as well,but those rates seem high.If 1% of the 35 thousand members join,that is 350 people.If they all join for a year,$100 level,that is 35 thousand dollars.That seems like a lot of money.I don't know what is costs to run a site this size though.Gypsy,you seem to have gone from not wanting to take money from people,like you said when looking for ideas,to charging a lot of money.If the rates were lower I think you would have a greater amount of people joining and still make the same amount of money.What ever happens I would like to say thank you for a great site.

[00420]

im glad im a mod.......

<--------do i get my ICMAG Supporters tag now or later :) j/k

i understand it cost to run a site like this even with the free help of the mod's but the price's do seem a lil high 35,121 members 1/2 are more then likly kids or double names leaving 17,560. 1/2 again are not gonna come up with funds to pay 8780...... 1/2 again for what ever reason leaves 4390 * 100 yr = 439,000 / 12months = 36,583 a month

if it where $100 a lifetime even being a mod id pay it.... but $250 is outrageous

[RED145]

"do i get my ICMAG Supporters tag now or later :) j/k"

LOL,I know yer just kiding,but not really,lottsa folk gonna get big hard ons from having that little add-on......theres where the seperation of classes comes in,add yer own private special forum and it gets more seperated.

All you math whizzes are correct,the numbers get amazing,but dont forget to add the seed sales into that,ya really wanna get blown away!!!!!

Seems to me,one release of Rez's chem beans will generate enuf cash to pay for the server.again without the actuall magic number its all guessing.its still a 60/40 split right?lottsa money in seed!!!

Maybe the vendors should be forced to absorb the cost,after all,they are the ones profiting off this site,matter of fact,ANYONE who profits off this site should be made to pay,not the ones who come here,buy beans,and dont profit.

startin to piss me off,but I know.....who cares!!!LOL

Costs money to make money dont it!!

[AmishFarmer]

[QUOTE=RED145]but dont forget to add the seed sales into that,ya really wanna get blown away!!!!!



/QUOTE]
I don't think that has anything to do with this.That is a business.You are in business to make a profit.I won't hold that against anybody.This is a forum,which I think is a different story.

[Sammet]

Got to love that $2 to £1 exchange rate. Huzzah for the weak dollar! :smoke:

[Stoned Cold]

Honestly, if people payed a ONE TIME $75 usd fee, and we continued donating seeds, things SHOULD be payed for.

Can I ask how many new accounts are submitted for activation in a given week?

1 new member a week pays $75, and a year later you've generated $4,000 a yaer in NEW accounts. Delete accounts after a period of 2 month inactivity=MORE SPACE
Give out 20 free beans for every 10 payed for. I'll bet that would boost sales 25%-50%
Sell Wayne his customized title!...LOL...(nice example buddy!)

I'm just sayin..........

[AmishFarmer]

5 people joined since I posted earlier.35,120 to 35,125.I sure If they had to pay not as many would join.

[PazVerdeRadical]

red, i hear you, it would be nice to see how much a year it costs to run this site with its current size, as well as how much it starts to costs as the site grows, etc... i remember in og seeing very big numbers (for me at least) being mentioned on how much bandwidth a place like og had to pay monthly, that was when og had about eighty-thousand members + or -... how many it read it had when it was shut down? over 100thousand? crazy hehehe...

a lot of members in so-called developing countries with weak economies could not afford those membership prices, consider that many of the members here post from places like africa and south america.

it is good that everyone expresses their view, helps find a good system that benefits everyone, as i doubt anyone wants to see icmag forums gone, not i for sure, this place can be real good. but lets express our concerns politely please.

much peace!

[Dutchgrown]

Red...and others reading....regular seed sales enables either Seedbay or Seedboutique to replenish inventory as well as make new seedline acquisitions. Those sites are self-sufficient in that way.

ICM is different. ICM is not a seed selling site...it is a forum site.

For example, Red, you used a new Rez release as an example in your post...well, after paying the breeder for the initial purchase, the profits realized from sales are put back into purchasing more from that same breeder, as well as acquisitions of new varieties from other breeders. In other words, profits are rolled back into replenishing and expanding stock so that there is more variety.

But all that is really irrelevant, as ICM and Sboo and Sbay are separate entities, each with their own set of overheads.

Thanks,
dg

[Stoned Cold]

So are you saying that if Seedbay doubled sales it would not help the site in any way?

I'm not interested in donating ANYTHING if it's simply to support an anonomous entity, and not support the site. Why would I give to them if they wouldnt give to the site? Right?.....I MUST be confused!

[JJScorpio]

I thought the whole idea here was to help with the server cost??
For instance the little personal site I run cost me 95 dollars a year,thats for the whole year.I realize this place probably has alot more bandwidth and storage but there is no way in the world it costs more than say a thousand a year to host,no way.....in which case donations would offset the cost.its all guessing since you wont post how much a month it does cost.

IMO,,,this is seperating the forumn,causing a GREAT deal of more work(seperate forums,added signature,and alot more work for someone) and to be frank......sounds like a nice way to generate another income.

What happens to all the hundreds and hundreds of dollars ABOVE the server costs?

It's your place,run it like ya want,I just dont agree with it.It turned from trying to help someone out,into a nice cash cow,and I got NO PROBLEMS sending money or seeds or donations,like I said this is my home too,BUT....I wanna know what it costs to run this place before I send anything willy nilly.

:wave:

And the whole seperate forum to discuss things in private,isnt that called a pm system?

Your kidding on the 1000 dollars a year right? Are your servers in holland or a nice little biz in the US? Making a statement like that without doing research can get a lot of members upset.....

[Stoned Cold]

Must I be controversial to get clarification? Seriously, DGs last post halted ANY and ALL plans I've got to support this site. Like I said, I believe/HOPE I'm confused.

[RED145]

Your kidding on the 1000 dollars a year right? Are your servers in holland or a nice little biz in the US? Making a statement like that without doing research can get a lot of members upset.....

Upset over what???You think because its the Netherlands its really more expensive??I havent looked into it,not really because I know the answer....

again,with out the number we will never see its guess work,but i just found a web hosting company called Mochahost in the Netherlands that will host my site for 3.71 a month!!!!

Webhosting costs about the same the world over :rasta:

Type of Service: Dedicated

OS & System: Unix
Setup Fee: $99
Price/month: $49
Disk space: 40 GB
Transfer Allowance: 1000 GB
Disk Type: IDE
Processor: 2.4 MHz
RAM: 256 MB
IP Address: 2
Policies: - Adult contents allowed
- Can resell space
Server Locations: Netherlands

[Stoned Cold]

Hey RED, will YOU ask my question for me?.....lol

[RED145]

NO...they dont care too much for me to begin with,yer lookin for trouble,LOL

But heres a dedicated Netherlands server for ya!!

Type of Service: Dedicated

OS & System: Unix
Setup Fee: $99
Price/month: $49
Disk space: 40 GB
Transfer Allowance: 1000 GB
Disk Type: IDE
Processor: 2.4 MHz
RAM: 256 MB
IP Address: 2
Policies: - Adult contents allowed
- Can resell space
Server Locations: Netherlands

[Paddi]

The ICMAG Supporters once subscribed will have the title 'I.C MAG SUPPORTER' next to their user handle (just like I do have now)... and access to a subscribers forum where upon the request of the subscribers I can make sub-forums for those that might want them for any particular related topic.....

ICMAG Supporters will also have the opportunity to aquire rare and unusual genetics in seed form thru special privaledges to purchase pre-releases and rare varieties from various breeders and these 'specials' and how to get them will be advertised only in the subscribers area......along with other offers not open to the regular membership.....Also each Supporter will have up to 1 whole gigabyte of gallery space....far more than the current 150 megabyte limit as a regular member.....

For many members the beauty of the subscribers forums will be that they will be troll free and a place on the site that you can get together with other supporters without the rude interruptions and interferances that we see on the regular forums from members that are just here to cause trouble and disscontent.......

Everything above written in normal letters is for the paying members. Nice.
Fat letters describes whats left for not paying members. Not so nice!



I wouldn´t mind donate to ICMag. But I don´t like that money gives me privileges on my favorite international cannabissite.

Privileges should be given to those who deserves respect in growing and spreading knowledge, experiences and pics.

Could be I´m out. Don´t wanna visit a side where friends have special priviliges.


Peace
Paddi

[Guest]

Too rich for my blood. But a question does come to mind that I haven't seen anyone address. These folks that donate money...I can foresee a day where someone donates for a lifetime subscription then gets diarrhea of the mouth and thinks they have donated money so they can say anything. A banning offence. What then? They paid for a lifetime subscription. Or a month or 3 months. Now what? This could be a can of worms. The devil is in the details.

[Dutchgrown]

Too rich for my blood. But a question does come to mind that I haven't seen anyone address. These folks that donate money...I can foresee a day where someone donates for a lifetime subscription then gets diarrhea of the mouth and thinks they have donated money so they can say anything. A banning offence. What then? They paid for a lifetime subscription. Or a month or 3 months. Now what? This could be a can of worms. The devil is in the details.

The TOU is for everyone, whether a subscriber or not...paying a subscription fee to receive access to private areas does NOT give one special priv's where the TOU is concerned.

Stoned Cold....What's hard to understand? What are you seeking clarification on? Come on, spit it out.

Seedbay and SeedBoutique purchase banner space here, as a method of contributing to ICM's costs, and happen to be it's largest financial supporter...but doesn't cover ALL of ICM's expenses.

dg

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I'm not asking.....or telling any of you to spend a penny...This site is a FREE site and will remain so mostly..........For those that subscribe they will have their own sunken forums to use and view because they subscribe.....to help keep this place running so that those (like all of you right now) that don't subscribe can view and interact with most all of the site for FREE......

......When I first fired up ICMAG......the server costs were much smaller than they are today due to much lower usage and storage needs at the time......the figure RED145 is stating of this site costing no more than $1000 a year....is about what it now costs us to run this site including all the over-runs on bandwidth.....the technical/security help and taxes on 3 servers every 10 days........

....To expand, upgrade and develop the site into the future at the same time as paying for more bandwith, memory, software and technical help as the site continues to grow.... is going to cost much more......and I would like in the future to be able to actually pay the moderators and Admins something for all the work they do on the site......so far they have all done this for FREE.....


...If you wish to subscribe......you can........if you do not wish to subscribe then you don't......simple really.....

even subscribed members will have to abide by the TOU....

[kopite]

If the places aren't linked, why have a vendors section ?

[Guest]

Stoned, there are 3 seperate enitities in play here. Seed Boutique, Seedbay and ICMag. For legal and safety reasons they are seperate distinct businesses. Yes Gypsy owns all 3, AFAIK. But they are stand alone seperate businesses. To co-mingle funds can and will open a can of legal whoop-ass on Gypsy.

[JamesChong]

Hey Dutch, I've had a question that hasn't been answered. I've talked to OP about a banner. You know I'm about to get going again and will be selling seeds on Seedbay. I want to buy a banner here linking over to Seedbay. I was quoted $800 buck for a month.

I'm also going to be running a full page ad in High Times or Skunk Magazine for my return. That is going to cost me about $1200-1600 bucks. If I'm driving business to seedbay.

Shouldn't I get some kind of break on the banner price? I wasn't concerned about the $800 bucks for one month, but more of a 3 month block deal.

Can you reply on this for me? Since it's about supporting this site and the other.
Take care,
BG

[RED145]

the figure RED145 is stating of this site costing no more than $1000 a year....is about what it now costs us to run this site including all the over-runs on bandwidth.....the technical/security help and taxes on 3 servers every 10 days........

you mean it costs you over 40 GRAND a year to run this place!!!

Shut it the fuck down Bro,not worth that kinda money!!

[mrwags]

Let's put this into a stoner perspective.


1. How many of you came here and THEN learned how to grow better Bud?

2. How many of you came here and met great people and even tho it's against the rule's traded or was gifted a nice cut or 2 or ... that would have cost you a small fortune in time,food and effort to get yourself?

3. How many of you come here to post up YouTube bullshit threads that have nothing to do with Buds or the like that if it costs ya would go away?


Now imagine the money ya saved from not having to go down in the burgs to score with your local dealer in that seedy part of town and risk being shot ripped off or busted because you grow you own?


250.00 for a lifetime? I'd call that a pretty good investment.


My Penny
Mr.Wags

[Stoned Cold]

That helps me understand a bit more.

So all I'm saying is that if Seedbay did x amount MORE business that could be directly correlated to the 'freebies roundup', would it be illegal for SB to donate x amount to the site? I dont however, know much regarding the laws of 3 separate entities being owned by one man, and ad laws involved.

Either way, besides the membership dollar amounts, I think you've (Gypsy) done a great job at leaving the OPTION, and not singleing anyone out! We Do appreciate your willingness to listen.


EDIT: $40 K?......Holy FVNK Batman!

[Gypsy Nirvana]

you mean it costs you over 40 GRAND a year to run this place!!!

Shut it the fuck down Bro,not worth that kinda money!!



.....OK who wants me to shut the site down?.....lol

[Stoned Cold]

.....Look at all those hands go up!.....lol

[RED145]

.....OK who wants me to shut the site down?.....lol
Not me,but if your sayin it costs you 40 grand a year,and your doing it all out of your own pocket,and the site doesnt make money..........who could blame ya,that would be good bizness,kinda silly to dump 40 g's a year into this site dont ya think?

Either that or your rich,in which case why ya need money!!LOL,anyone dumping 40 grand a year into a zero return is nuts,rich,or both!!!

[Mrs.Babba]

Im just gald that this site is still here!!...it could be gone in a blink of an eye and then what?...this is like a family to some of us and have made some really great friends! I hope it continues for a long time!..Thanks GN and DG, you guys are the best! :D

[RED145]

We would meet up at another site lady!!!

I'm glad too,but it wouldnt surprise me,sites come and go,nothing is forever.

[Boxy Brown]

Let's put this into a stoner perspective.


1. How many of you came here and THEN learned how to grow better Bud?

2. How many of you came here and met great people and even tho it's against the rule's traded or was gifted a nice cut or 2 or ... that would have cost you a small fortune in time,food and effort to get yourself?

3. How many of you come here to post up YouTube bullshit threads that have nothing to do with Buds or the like that if it costs ya would go away?



1. I already knew how to grow good bud before this site was even created, I just came here to teach and help out others.

2. I have never traded anything here, and probably never will

3. 95% of my posts pertain to growing, and all but one of my threads are about growing.


Im not trying to start an argument with you mrwags (I hate arguments) but rather just answering your questions :smile:



Yes we can accept seed donations for a future fundraising effort but at this time it will not get you into the subscribers lounge.....we can make you an 'I.C.MAG DONOR'.....and that could be seen next to your user nick............It will take some time to organize........I just wish I could pay the server fees with seeds NOW....lol!


Hmmmm.....thinking about it maybe we can create a 'Doner's Lounge'......let me think on that one for a bit....

Gypsy once Iv got my own hybrid finished i'll be sure to donate some of the seeds to you for fundraising or just as freebies.

[Stoned Cold]

I kinda feel like if my donations of seed would not help support the site, than I have been misled. I would still donate to help Gypsy DIRECTLY, if he needed it, but am pretty damn poor myself, so would atleast like to know my efforts had a solid purpose. Ya know?......
Personally, I've never so much as LOOKED on Seedbay, and as much as I'd like to see peeps growin my goods, the purpose of my efforts would be to help the site and/or Gypsy. Not neccesarily Seedbay. Make sense?

[BadKarma]

The info on this site has saved me enough for 5 lifetime memberships by growing my own easy . So Im in, but I was a bit shocked at the prices but like I said Im in.

I figure I owe the next new guy to join the same I recieved when I got here. A great place to learn about growing.

Will take about 2 months to get the scratch together but im in for a Lifetime

Thanks BK

[RED145]

Well I for one aint gonna be posting so much,at 40,000 a yr this post alone cost Gypsy 1.43!!!

40 Fucking Thousand dollars!!!!!A YEAR!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless you Gypsy Nirvana!!!!

I'm still shell shocked at what it cost,yer lucky it aint me cuz the door would be closed!!!

Let me put that in stoner terms,I made 35,000 dollars last year!!!!And Gypsy throws 40,000 away on a web site generating zero!!!

You fuckers all better appreciate it!!!!!!!!

[RED145]

OK,I lied.....i'm still gonna post!!!

I just thought of a way to save on some bandwidth.......instead of there being an open door,and always having 600 guests,CLOSE IT......make it so there are NO GUESTS allowed,only members!!

[Sammet]

1. I already knew how to grow good bud before this site was even created, I just came here to teach and help out others.

2. I have never traded anything here, and probably never will

3. 95% of my posts pertain to growing, and all but one of my threads are about growing.

Im not trying to start an argument with you mrwags (I hate arguments) but rather just answering your questions :smile:

Gypsy once Iv got my own hybrid finished i'll be sure to donate some of the seeds to you for fundraising or just as freebies.

Isn't it a bit naive to believe that you'll never learn anything about growing again?

On a different note:

For some people ICMag is more that just a tool or a reference, for some it's about a community of like minded individuals sharing a hobby together (certainly something I can't do in real life due to obvious security risks). And I think that's worth supporting.

[dkmonk]

Im sure this has already been suggested but pay pal would make this alot more available and easier. I personally don't trust my money flying across seas but if you had a pay pal donation icon that we could use kind it would make donations a lot more accessable to some people. I think im goin to ask this for my birthday present :)

[NOKUY]

doesnt seem too steep to me. I blow money on stupid shit that i never use all the time

this site is neither stupid or useless.

40 grand a year to run this site does seem outrageous.

ill do what i can to help...w/out icmag i'd prolly just get rid of my comp. and the internet alltogether.

thanks gypsy :wave:

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Damn an overnite service is like $30 for an envelope from the states -pretty pricey. I think i would have to send mine certified or regestered , got to be cheaper.

No offense gypsy but if you're paying 36k a year for server costs, someone is laughing all the way to the bank. Seriously, that's way too much.

[Boxy Brown]

Isn't it a bit naive to believe that you'll never learn anything about growing again?




I didn't say I wouldn't lear anything else, I merely said that I already knew how to grow good bud before this site, so far this site has mainly just informed me about new products and nutrients and how good or bad they work, oh and I also use it to see what the strains that im growing or going to grow will turn out like.



also to add when I get the cash i'll be sure to become a lifetime member ($250) on top of a seed donor.

[Guest]

Sammet, I agree with supporting our community but not at 100 bucks a year which is what I would buy. I'd never buy a lifetime because my crystal ball broke and I can't foretell the future past the next second. I just think there is a can of worms waiting to be opened with this. One part of my pea-brain is screaming this is a business. If the business owner can't make it work on his own then time to pull the plug. Imagine if you had a storefront business, brick and mortar, and the only way to pay your power bill was to ask your customers for help, how many would? I think they would go "damn sorry about your luck. Better luck next time." The other part of my brain goes, like Sammet says, this is a community. I need to support it. That side is winning but then it loses traction on the price. If you want a community then you can't have 2 classes...donars and others. You need to make it volunteer, which Gypsy is doing and you need to make it so it's affordable to all so all feel like they are equals. There are alot of college students here, a lot of folks from less fortunate countries here and there are alot of folks who rob Peter to pay Paul.
A question that comes to mind on the seed vendors. Shouldn't they be the ones to pay this? They are making money here. It is free advertising. Yeah I know..60/40 split. So they are paying. Hell, combo deal. Lower the volunteer donation price and up their costs 65/35.
I have no answer to this. Well..one...too rich for my blood.

[toofat]

I am going to pay for a lifetime script, but I think it is way too much. I have a few concerns. Okay if everyone pays up for life how will this cover costs for years to come? This is a one time payment. I belonged to another site(not canna related) years ago that asked for donations and a lot of members paid up. 2 weeks after I sent my money the site closed and was never heard from again. That sucked.

[LiLWaynE]

......

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Red...and others reading....regular seed sales enables either Seedbay or Seedboutique to replenish inventory as well as make new seedline acquisitions. Those sites are self-sufficient in that way.

ICM is different. ICM is not a seed selling site...it is a forum site.

For example, Red, you used a new Rez release as an example in your post...well, after paying the breeder for the initial purchase, the profits realized from sales are put back into purchasing more from that same breeder, as well as acquisitions of new varieties from other breeders. In other words, profits are rolled back into replenishing and expanding stock so that there is more variety.

But all that is really irrelevant, as ICM and Sboo and Sbay are separate entities, each with their own set of overheads.

Thanks,
dg

DG...
since all 3 are differant entities, and this is just a FORUM and a donation is just support a WEBSITE, all of that seams TOTALY LEGAL in just about any modern county...
so im saying you need to open up a paypal or some large-lagitimate form of 'donating' money...you guys are draining us with freaking 'overnight' curriers, i hate going to fedex/ups/dhl and then spending another $50 ontop of the donation? my last fedex to sbay cost 54$, sometimes its 60$ sometimes its 48$, either way its a waste of money we could be donating to you... :cuss:

45$ for every donation x 1000ppl / yr donate = $45,000 in wasted money....
or a more realistic figure would project 100-500 ppl @ 45$ = $4,500- $22500
more then enough to cover a few months server bills. :fsu: :bashhead:

seeds and mo's.. alright, its a pain but whatever...
but this is server time, porn sites will bill your CC why dosent ICmag. :badday: :nono:


id gladly send you guys 197$ remainder after the 53$ fedex is going to ding me, but i have a feeling that dosent sound good, so compromise!!!

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Damn an overnite service is like $30 for an envelope from the states -pretty pricey. I think i would have to send mine certified or regestered , got to be cheaper.

No offense gypsy but if you're paying 36k a year for server costs, someone is laughing all the way to the bank. Seriously, that's way too much.

you apperantly dont know how servers work and they are priced totaly differant then home useage, if they paid less this site would be un-navigateable, because of all the people.

please, no more on the costs, they shop it around, my company pays over $125k/year for bandwidth, 36k is nothing.

[NOKUY]

i dont know shit about servers or running a forums website, but the server my company has cost $15,000 USD...and i bet thats not even alot.

[LiLWaynE]

I am going to pay for a lifetime script, but I think it is way too much. I have a few concerns. Okay if everyone pays up for life how will this cover costs for years to come? This is a one time payment. I belonged to another site(not canna related) years ago that asked for donations and a lot of members paid up. 2 weeks after I sent my money the site closed and was never heard from again. That sucked.

check it

we could use the help to at least pay for a part of the overheads of keeping the site here......

[RED145]

RED145, dude, dont pay any money and shut your mouth and i think things will be just fine around here and over there for you....

What the fuck is that spose ta mean my nizzle????Oh,I belong to another site you musta went to,LOL......Thats a BIG SECRET HUH!!!!LOL

I gotta idea wheezy F....why dont YOU shut the fuck up and as an added bonus too me...KILL YOURSELF!!!!!LOL

Feel better know weezer???

Matter a fact LiL...I hope you send the money fast so you can take that avatar into the special forums were I dont have to look upon its ugliness!!!

[Sammet]

Please don't get this thread locked, it's pretty important. Argue elsewhere.

[dkmonk]

I agree w/ Sammet, we are all in this for the same cause growing and learning more about the wonderful plant, in my eyes we are all brothers and sisters here, i would like to see a lot less hostility but w/e not everyone can be peaceful that's why we have wars and such.

[JJScorpio]

I really can't believe what is happening here. Wow.

Let me try and explain this. Take your digital camera and a 1 gb memory card and go take pictures until its full. Now remember that your camera is taking a small picture. Your setting on your camera is for small pics. Now, these pics are put into your gallery here and enlarged. How many of those enlarged pics do you think would fit on the memory card? Now lets multiply that times the roughly few hundred thousand pictures that are in the galleries of members on this site. Then you have all of the written threads on top of this.

Now lets add the cost of the servers and other equipment that needs to be purchased and upgraded when things get bigger. And this place gets bigger by the day. And will continue to grow. The only thing paying for this is the advertising from seedbay and boutique. They could drop the big expense of this site, close it down and run advertising on other sites and be way further ahead financially. And from some of what I've read, I wouldn't blame them. They asked for a little help after footing the bill for 4 years and listen to some of the comments people are making. It just doesn't seem right. No one is asking anyone that can't afford it to pay anything. Why are the nasty comments necessary?

[MoeBudz^420]

Hey, I'm back to make my point about cost - I researched it this AM. Another forum I go to is also doing a membership/support drive. Even better is the fact it's pretty much the same size as here. Other forum: 34,240 members. IC: 35,113 members, as of this morning.

The other site is asking for $20/yr from its members for support, non - mandatory, same deal, you get a support thingy under your name, and extra features...hence me thinking 100/yr is a bit steep. I bet that out of total member base, the other forum will get 20 fold more subs out of their user base than here will, just due to cost alone.

Just making a (researched) point, not trying to be negative. Bring the cost down to reasonable, and I'll gladly buy in, as I do feel this is a good site, and would much rather throw some $ here than anywhere else.



Peace

[Kenny Lingus]

I bet advertisers and vendors cannot DONATE as icmag.com is not a charity organization, but I assume the ad-customers like our beloved bay and boutique are already paying good money for advertising, and a few vendors have probably paid subscription costs already.

If we only get a lousy 3-4 percent to go lifetime, we can have the site's lifetime increased for years upon years. I mean. 1000 x 250usd = 250.000USD and that is 3-4-5 years.

I do think a different payment way will be nice as I still have troubles finding a good and cheap overnight service, and even have to pay another 10-15usd in fee for buying foreign money... Any good tips here friends?

[Endo]

high school drama class is now in session.

[B4O2N0G]

I dont think my opinon is going to change anything but I would like to see the subscribing fees drop a little..My power bill alone was 1000 dollars this month and I would like to become a lifetime subscriber but it seems just a little high for the average family man.

I understand the high costs of running a site like this but if the cost was lowered for us all the more people would send in money orders and significantly helping the site become a better place.

Obviously it is our choice if we want to support icmag but I dont want to feel left out of the subscribers section because I cant afford it..Peace

[JJScorpio]

Nobodys expected a thousand people to donate that amount of money. It was decided on hoping the growers/people that can afford will pitch in and take the load for the others. Maybe a smaller donation is something Gypsy might contemplate.

Regarding this other site that is asking for twenty dollars. Do some of these members have galleries with hundreds of pictures in them? Those pics tear up the MB.

Let me ask a question. To those that say they can afford 50 but not 100, if you get a slogan under your name that isn't the same as the 100 dollar donaters, will that cause problems? I think this is why Gypsy was hoping a certain number of people would donate the 100 dollars and take away any discrimination from smaller donaters. Maybe a platinum member for 100 and a gold member for 50 wouldnt be arbitrary. It's up to Gypsy and if thats something people would accept without problem he might look at it. I'm just seculating. I don't have a say.

You need to remember, this is just something thats started and sometimes things need to be tweaked. He may read this and take it into consideration or he may not. It's his call.

[NOKUY]

i think the donations would balance out either way.

a few that really give a fuck pay a bit more, or more chumps pay a bit less.

...the more that have to be dealt with make it harder for gypsy.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

For those that think that they have to put their hands in their pockets....

......Like I have said all along........YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHELL OUT A PENNY.....if you don't want to......the site is here........and I will try my best to keep it here for all to use FOR FREE.....as long as I can....

I have paid all the bills for 4 years.........and will continue to if that is at all possible....

......so please don't stress yourself about it........you have nothing to loose......and you don't owe me nothing........


ICMAG.......is a place where we can all learn something.......even myself..........so even though it costs me alot.....I still get something in return...


*I can understand that alot of members are living on a low budget......and just can't afford to support this site.......luckily enough I can......at this moment...

[Smurf]

When you compare only the price & value of good herb to the voluntary subscription here,
well I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about.
Regardless of how hard you try, you will never please everyone, which is a pity.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

When you compare only the price & value of good herb to the voluntary subscription here,
well I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about.
Regardless of how hard you try, you will never please everyone, which is a pity.



Yeah man I understand......if gas was free for 4 years and you pulled up to a gas station to tank.....and the guy putting gas into your car said..... 'Could you perhaps contribute towards this gasoline that I just filled your tank with?'.....


......most people would probably bitch.....like BIG TIME!

[DIGITALHIPPY]

For those that think that they have to put their hands in their pockets....

......Like I have said all along........YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHELL OUT A PENNY.....if you don't want to......the site is here........and I will try my best to keep it here for all to use FOR FREE.....as long as I can....

I have paid all the bills for 4 years.........and will continue to if that is at all possible....

......so please don't stress yourself about it........you have nothing to loose......and you don't owe me nothing........


ICMAG.......is a place where we can all learn something.......even myself..........so even though it costs me alot.....I still get something in return...

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls :badday:


-DigitalHippy :rasta:

[Gypsy Nirvana]

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls :badday:


-DigitalHippy :rasta:


I might go with your first suggestion...but that might divide us with some CLASS b.s.:~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER......and your second suggestion stands....


.....Paypal has already closed 3 of my accounts.......I'm not keen on them.....and I don't like to link CC payments with user names here for security reasons.....

[Kenny Lingus]

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls :badday:


-DigitalHippy :rasta:



In regards to payment tags it should be just fine with subscriber. It'll stay forever or how long you sign up for... Why make it harder by differing and glorify any of it?

[Guest]

Hi,
Count me in my man...let's see 27.3 cents a day times 365...uh...yeah...uh..hey gypsy...can i borrow your calculamator thangy?


Oh well just twenty more mattresses to test!

Yeah, that there Gypsy is proud of it all right! But, I would be too!

C'mon now dig up under them cushins...

Li'l Abner

[JJScorpio]

Isn't it easiest to throw a money order in an envelope and mail it in? That leaves no paper trail.

Could someone simply buy a 100 dollar prepaid credit card and give you the numbers?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Isn't it easiest to throw a money order in an envelope and mail it in? That leaves no paper trail.

Could someone simply buy a 100 dollar prepaid credit card and give you the numbers?


Man.....if you could feel the trouble I have had with CC's......fraud (mostly from Brazil and Romania but plenty of other places).....charge-backs.......trying to figure out whats valid and whats not.....it's a head-ache I would rather not have....a catalogue of disasters....

[Guest]

Thanks Gypsy for this great site! I like the sounds of this system and will be a lifetime supporter when I have the money, I think the prices are more than fair. I like the fact that those of us that can, will have a chance to help out to keep the rest of the forum open for those that don't have the money or don't yet know how valuable this community is. I applaud you and all your marvelous ventures which I enjoy on a regular basis!

Another seed retailer uses egold & liberty reserve? Maybe you could email us a number when we make cc payment and we would then have to pm this back to you to have our tag added?

rk

[bounty29]

I'm amazed at the replies here. As has been said before, running a site of this size with so many members costs REAL MONEY. To compare it to what it costs to run your own personal site is naive and unrealistic.

I will gladly become a lifetime subscriber, even if it wasn't for all the mentioned perks. $250? I've thrown at least that much away on stupid shit I didn't even use when building cabinets and stuff. I'm not rich either, I work part time, I am in college, and have a good amount of free time.

This site is an amazing resource, and if someone were to come here and take the time to read and absorb information here, they could be growing the best weed they've ever seen in months time.

Just think of how much money you save by learning to grow your own bud here. I can't get much around here besides $20 a gram headies, and that is expensive! For the price of buying a half oz, I can build a cabinet that can produce any kind of headies I want! I will gladly send my money in support of this site, and continue to learn from other people's experiences and share my own in the hopes of helping others.

[la resistance]

personally I won't be able to pay that much for a subscription, but I can see what a nightmare it would be dealing with hundreds of $10 donations.


digitalhippy: don't send it express, just send it regular mail. it only costs you a couple of dollars and sometimes gets there just as fast.


gypsy: have you considered having a massive cleanup of the site? there's a lot of old threads around with good info in them, but many others with nothing important in them and there must be thousands of abandoned accounts without anyone using them. no use in paying for it all.

[DIGITALHIPPY]

In regards to payment tags it should be just fine with subscriber. It'll stay forever or how long you sign up for... Why make it harder by differing and glorify any of it?
personaly, ive got no beef, alot of people are mentioning it though, i dont mind having the same tag as people who dont pay as much, but if there is different classes it might be worth representing them.

truthfuly gypsy had it right when he said 'for 3 months' or however long, because then the tag would go away...

sorry about your paypal problems gypsy, i just hate fedex/ups/dhl etc.
its enough to make me think 3 or 4 times about doing somthing, shit ive got this motherboard sitting here from 3 months i still havent taken to fedex.

[Guest]

this sounds like a good idea GN. The perks man, THE PERKS!

[Black Ra1n]

I'm in for donating money, seeds, love this place!!! IC Mag is like my neighborhood bar, and if it cost a few bucks to keep the lights on I say "fuck yeah". I'm sure if you ran a pole you would see that most of the membership would support this.

B/R

[Guest]

BR, I'm sure the poll would be overwhelming in favor of this. Now-how many follow through?

[DIGITALHIPPY]

its sad gypsey has to ask for help, i've been here long enough to know he means bisiness, but i wish sbay had more customers like zoolander, myself, and others. its always the disperportionate few who have to step-up and do the bulk of the giving, there are great people here and the comunity in general is on the positive side. in general its worth paying a "few bucks" for...

[dkmonk]

Man.....if you could feel the trouble I have had with CC's......fraud (mostly from Brazil and Romania but plenty of other places).....charge-backs.......trying to figure out whats valid and whats not.....it's a head-ache I would rather not have....a catalogue of disasters....

Couldn't you just make whoever donates wait until it is cleared and such I understand the frustration of this, but i think you would gain more than you would lose by putting a pay pal or what have you that i could give money to my friends or family to use their cc and do it in seconds.

Also i think there should be different tags like a general one in case people just want to donat a dollar, atleast they would be doing what they can to help out and i believe that deserves credit.

Gypsy you have a very good idea it just needs a little polishing and i hope you take some of what we say into consideration, i just joined but i have a lot of faith in this web site enough were im only going to ask for the 250 for bday to support this site or might just pay it out of my own pocket when i start getting graduation money.

[Bubble Puppy]

Ill be listed as a donater here .

Icmag
Seedbay
seedbou

Are all separate entities,but i look at it like Seedbay and seedbou are cows ,and Icmag is the truck that takes the milk to the market .This site has ,to generate massive sales on seedbay .So although separate ,there both pretty much joined at the hip ,what other outlets ,are people sent to buy seeds from ,from icmag?

Anyhow im hot complaining ,ill be donating alot of seeds here shortly .After i iron out the delivery processes.

[facelift]

$250 a lifetime is way less than I'm willing to pay. It's a great idea. It wouldn't surprise me if he still runs in the red over a lifetime. The message board that is. As for the cost. I read somewhere he posted 2500 a month. He's got tons of space taken up by 5-6 and sometimes 10 pictures on a single post x who knows 1000's.

As soon as I got it, I'll send it. I'm still being run through the machine.

Please don;t emove thread for a few months or send me a PM with the mailing address.

Have a great day!

[gdawg]

no problems here Gypsy, nothin but thanks and good vibes. the seed donating sounds great too.

[Ming]

its sad gypsey has to ask for help, i've been here long enough to know he means bisiness, but i wish sbay had more customers like zoolander, myself, and others. its always the disperportionate few who have to step-up and do the bulk of the giving, there are great people here and the comunity in general is on the positive side. in general its worth paying a "few bucks" for...


Who are you to authorize yourself as a martyr for "sbay". First of all- the need of funds are being requested for ICMAG. Just a few pages back, you were complaining about the $250 lifetime membership asking to deduct a fedex fee. This topic has been in discussion for several days in the tokers den with many people that had no gripe with any amount that it took to keep this forum going. Myself excluded. Most of those people have much greater history and roots with this community than you or I will ever know. It would do you good to show some humility before addressing the entire community as the savior especially when you request compromises for something that is voluntary.

[pHaroaH]

When Gypsy first posted about ways to help pay for this site I knew he had to be paying thousands a month for bandwidth. With all the grow pictures, he has to be using thousands of GBs a month in bandwidth. Do a little research and see for yourself what a hosting site charges for that kind of bandwidth.

How could anyone expect Gypsy to pay for that? It's like expecting the local sports shop to pay for a sports complex because some of the people buy sporting goods from the shop to use there.

I don't understand why some people are griping. What are they going to lose by not becoming a member that they already have now? Nothing. What will they lose if Gypsy can't get enough member support?

The worst posts should be, "Thanks for all you have done Gypsy. I can't help right now but when I can afford it, I will be glad to help." It sure would make it easier for me to pull the plug with all the ingrates posting. Anyone who becomes a member deserves a big thanks because they are keeping this place alive for all of us.

One last thing... because of this site I have learned invaluable information and gotten safe access to quality genetics which has saved me more money then I'll likely ever know. I am also safer since I no longer have to put myself at risk with dealers. What kind of value do you put on that?

[JJScorpio]

I would like to say whether you can afford to donate or not, it's a great thing to see the loyalty and support of all these members coming together. Im betting it's one of the biggest reasons Gypsy pays to keep it all going.

I can live good for four grand a month. I give him credit. With all the slander, libel, threats and abuse Gypsy and DG take, it would be real easy to say the hell with all of it and pull the plug. For that alone I respect and salute them.

[00420]

245 members and 350 guests

.............................. ...................... close the guest door gain 50%+

charge members $5 a yr * 35,000 = 175,000 no kid's or trolls priceless

if guest have to reg i bet 35,000 turn into 50,000 :jump:

[mrwags]

Please don't get this thread locked, it's pretty important. Argue elsewhere.


The man (Gypsy) simply said pay or pass your choice if ya pay you get extra if not so be it YOUR CHOICE.

Once AGAIN KIDS:

To argue on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics,even if ya get the Gold your still retarded.

I'm sure it cost a hell of a lot of money to run this site thats a given,but wth is with all the hate when all he did was ASK?

I'm sorry guy's but I don't get it.

So if you wish to help ICMAGAZINE.COM.....the best way to do it right now is to subscribe.......Subscription is completely voluntary and hopefully I can find enough of you willing to help out to make a sizable dent in the costs of keeping the site up and running and here for all to use.

Do I not read this correctly? Sounds like to me Gypsy threw a plate down on the floor and is asking for some change if ya got it if not no problem enjoy the site anyway.


[QUOTE=Boxy Brown]1. I already knew how to grow good bud before this site was even created, I just came here to teach and help out others.

2. I have never traded anything here, and probably never will

3. 95% of my posts pertain to growing, and all but one of my threads are about growing.


Im not trying to start an argument with you mrwags (I hate arguments) but rather just answering your questions :smile:

I sent Boxy some Mod karma for this post because he speaks of what this site is a place to hang out and help and share not Fight or bicker especially on the freakin internet.

Pay or Pass the Man said no more no less.

Please Make A Note Of It!



Mr.Wags

[Guest]

couldn't the monies be paid straight to an icmag uk bank account for member subs ?
magazine subscriptions arent illegal at all ,,as far as i know

[Chamba]

don't use UPS or FedEx..they are narcs and they cost too much

go to your local post office, send a standard biz size envelop with the cash inside via registered mail so someone at GN has to sign for it when it arrives or it will be returned to you...

there are usually several price options for air mail to choose from...

fold the cash in half longways and then fold it again one third the way down into an "L" shape to help disguise it, (you can also wrap that in paper) then place it into an inner envelop then put all that in the business envelop.

use large size and neatly written BLOCK style writing with a black ball point or better still, use a printed label

registered mail always gets there...

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Question: Couldn't having all these guests be a security concern? I think it could be. Alot of forums make you register? For one you would save alot of bandwith making people register. I think closing the guest door would be a good idea.

I've been watching the member/guest ratio since it's been brought up and so there's always more guests than members.

[cough_cough_eer]

100.00 /year is not all that unreasonable ....8 somethin a month......(no calculator handy) concidering the cost of security .....(.hiring someone thats trusted and knows about that sort of thing.).....of a site like this is probably quite expensive.
Altho making payments would be a lot easier for me , I can see the headachs in that, but I think I can come up with 100 bucks all at one time,only gonna hurt for a little while. Icmag has been good for me in a lot of different ways... :smile:

[Doobieduck]

Gooood moorning I C Maaaaaag.....
Once AGAIN KIDS:
To argue on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics,even if ya get the Gold your still retarded.

Pure entertainment Wags...that is what I say...I had a chance to reply to this thread at post #9 yesterday morning at 5 AM but I wanted to ponder and watch a while? Well good morning...things can really get interesting here and I love it. I love the quality and quanity of the research and information...that is priceless!. My first thought was "to much money" and that brings me to my 30 years selling Budwiser. I had to convince the grocier to lower thier price from $6.99 to $5.99 a 12 pack and sell 4 times as many on the 4th of July. They would in return make more profit. I was thinking this could work as well here. Leave the $250 alone but go to $50 a year. But then..when you have the opportunity to post a poll of your users why not do so? Ask them what they could afford? Anyway...great site Gypsy..I will be sending something...DD ...PS and love everyones images here...
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/708402-02-08SweetBlueMomSprout9747IC.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/708402-02-08SweetBlueMomSprout9747IC.JPG )

[Kenny Lingus]

AFAIK: The problems with credit cards and money transfer is it will jeopardize users integrity.
Of course a registered shipment may also conflict with this, but alot of us use safe addies anyway and should be fine. (Owner of handles will be traceable and stuff...-even though magazine subscription is legal.)


Could be that registered mail is cumbersome too, as it may demand a given persons authorization to receive instead of overnight couriers that deliver on your door. I know too little on those practices, but guess gypsy has a reason for wanting it that way.

It will be soooo nice with a few new features and some kinda vip lounge....
-Sure would be fine if for example the seedboutique could sell the subscriptions so we could pay with cards or whatever. And then we could just use email or something in the order form to link reveal which handle to sign up for.

And by stop commenting and find out exactly how I do this next-day-stuff in my bureaucratic and over governed nation, I for one will do much more to help us all out.

Anyway, I will shut up now and leave this thread and subject for others to unravel.

Have a nice week all fellas!!!

OBS: Maybe a nice feature will be different priority for guests subscribers. (if that is even possible/reasonable)

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Close the door on guests, make them register!!!! Nothing irritaes me more than when the site is dragging, slow page loads and look down to see 300 guests to 200 members.

Like right when i post this these are the stats:
804 (280 members and 524 guests) That's nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!

So now who hogs all the bandwith? looks like the guests do to me

[MoeBudz^420]

I'd bite on 50/yr, that's pretty reasonable. Hehe all these ppl stating well, what's good weed worth...same as tomatoes or cucumbers, or any other produce that grows in a garden. Minus the BS laws, of course...

Dealing pot is not the goal...Freedom for it is. Go $50/yr, and I'm in. Like I said earlier on, there's no site I'd rather support... :rasta:

Peace

[Grat3fulh3ad]

What's wrong with having a premium subscriber's package like Gypsy has set up, along with another tier of contribution which offers recognition as donors without extra services(which cost extra money to offer)? THen everyone who wants to contribute in whatever small way they feel moved to, is able to and gets the credit and recognition of going above and beyond in support of the site... AND anyone who wishes to donate larger, can do the same with the additional incentive/reward of purchasing for themselves extra access...

[Gypsy Nirvana]

How much weed does $100 get you these days?.......and how long would that last you?


....I don't know......why?.....because I gr__



and that is what this site is about......saving you from having to buy yer own erb'

[Guest]

Let start by saying I am not trying to start anything but I do have a question for you, H3ad...what are you doing to help Gypsy's dilemma? You make money from here and yes you pay a reputed 40% of your profits to do so. Why not 41% or 45%? And I say reputed because I have no first hand actual experience as what the contract is between you breeders and Gypsy.
Where would your market be if not for here?
I notice a fair amount of the mods are all for this. Yes, you volunteer your time. Yes it can be a thankless job. But for you guys to keep telling us what a great thing this is and how little money it is yet Gypsy's says you guys get a pass on this. Yes, I know it's voluntary. But this is aimed at us the users of this site and the customers of your seed sales. I do think you mod folks need to stop putting the sales pitch on us the end users/consumers and let us talk it out among ourselves.
To that end..100 bucks is too much. 50 is the right number in my old fool of brain.
Give me one minute to put on my fireman's outfit before you guys start flaming me.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Let start by saying I am not trying to start anything but I do have a question for you, H3ad...what are you doing to help Gypsy's dilemma? You make money from here and yes you pay a reputed 40% of your profits to do so. Why not 41% or 45%? And I say reputed because I have no first hand actual experience as what the contract is between you breeders and Gypsy.
Where would your market be if not for here?
I notice a fair amount of the mods are all for this. Yes, you volunteer your time. Yes it can be a thankless job. But for you guys to keep telling us what a great thing this is and how little money it is yet Gypsy's says you guys get a pass on this. Yes, I know it's voluntary. But this is aimed at us the users of this site and the customers of your seed sales. I do think you mod folks need to stop putting the sales pitch on us the end users/consumers and let us talk it out among ourselves.
To that end..100 bucks is too much. 50 is the right number in my old fool of brain.
Give me one minute to put on my fireman's outfit before you guys start flaming me.


OK Old Fool........I'm giving a 50% senior citizens discount to you....well you get it on the bus.....so why not here?

[Guest]

Gyspy, I'm not looking for any special old geezer discount. I didn't know you took AARP cards. lol
But that..."why not here" confuses me.

[RED145]

Its $110.00 a day to run this site.........that 50 will get ya half a day!!!!I'm tellin ya,the numbers blowin me away!!I wonder,is it a sound investment?

[JJScorpio]

Let start by saying I am not trying to start anything but I do have a question for you, H3ad...what are you doing to help Gypsy's dilemma? You make money from here and yes you pay a reputed 40% of your profits to do so. Why not 41% or 45%? And I say reputed because I have no first hand actual experience as what the contract is between you breeders and Gypsy.
Where would your market be if not for here?
I notice a fair amount of the mods are all for this. Yes, you volunteer your time. Yes it can be a thankless job. But for you guys to keep telling us what a great thing this is and how little money it is yet Gypsy's says you guys get a pass on this. Yes, I know it's voluntary. But this is aimed at us the users of this site and the customers of your seed sales. I do think you mod folks need to stop putting the sales pitch on us the end users/consumers and let us talk it out among ourselves.
To that end..100 bucks is too much. 50 is the right number in my old fool of brain.
Give me one minute to put on my fireman's outfit before you guys start flaming me.

I just got to respond to this one.

Because I think that it's OK for Gypsy to ask for a little help after 4 years I'm doing a sales pitch? Hmmm. I guess it could look that way but I don't want to see it gone.

As for mods getting a free pass, let me explain something to you. We only had one PC in our household and it seemed I was always on it watching to make sure some idiot isn't trying to con someones address or another person isn't harassing another and driving them offline. I also needed to be careful so my kids didn't see what I was doing. So, this weekend I went and spent a grand and bought another computer so other members of the family could enjoy the one we have. And then I spent another hundred and twenty five for a wireless router to get online with. By my figuring that's $1125.00 that I spent that I wouldn't have needed to. Then lets talk about the times that a couple mods are going to be away and one of us HAS to stay online to do what might need to be done. Unlike you, we can't just say fuckit I'm going to go out with me friends.

Before you think mods are getting a "free ride" as you call it. Maybe you should ask and see what is involved in it. Sorry if I take exception to the free ride term. No body ever said you had to pay a damn penny. Why you feel it's necessary to complain because he asked for help. When the place is gone I guess we won't have to worry about it. But I know I wouldn't be spending 50 grand out of my pocket every year to listen to some of this shit.

I know Gypsy won't do it but maybe if Gypsy shut the site down for a week some people might want to be able to put that quarter in the slot for a days entertainment.....

[RED145]

You spent ALL that money just so you could Mod here!!Maybe Gypsy should make it 350 a yr so all the mods can get free computers and wireless routers so they can do there job!!!LOL.no offense JJ,but its a far stretch calling Moding a job,imo :laughing:

OH,And I thought I was helping everytime I bought seeds at Seedbay!!!!

[guineapig]

I am working now to put the money together.......

I believe in this site and now it's time for me to support this beautiful community.....

:ying: kind regards from guineapig :ying:

[Guest]

I got you if you need it GP ... Now about that T-Shirt Gypsy ... You know the ones GH had made up ... with my Name on it ... are there any left ?

[JJScorpio]

You spent ALL that money just so you could Mod here!!Maybe Gypsy should make it 350 a yr so all the mods can get free computers and wireless routers so they can do there job!!!LOL.no offense JJ,but its a far stretch calling Moding a job,imo :laughing:

OH,And I thought I was helping everytime I bought seeds at Seedbay!!!!

Why don't you show me where I ever said it was a job. Don't put words in my mouth. I was pointing out it isn't a free ride as some people claim. You weren't asked to donate anything yet you seem to have made an awful lot of negatives comments.

[RED145]

Well I feel it is a free ride for the mods!!I guess thats where no two people are alike huh!!Sorry you feel my posts are negative JJ,I like to think of them as real...........guess we disagree.....lets get 1 thing straight for the millionth time...ICMag is my home too,I;m allowed to have my own opinions on things.

And the Vendors!!!Since Seedbay and ICMag are seperate,the 60/40 is meaningless here......make the vendors absorb more,those who profit should pay,imo.

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Who are you to authorize yourself as a martyr for "sbay". First of all- the need of funds are being requested for ICMAG. Just a few pages back, you were complaining about the $250 lifetime membership asking to deduct a fedex fee. This topic has been in discussion for several days in the tokers den with many people that had no gripe with any amount that it took to keep this forum going. Myself excluded. Most of those people have much greater history and roots with this community than you or I will ever know. It would do you good to show some humility before addressing the entire community as the savior especially when you request compromises for something that is voluntary.

i wasnt complaining... per-say it was making the UTTERLY EXCESSIVE FEDEX COSTS gleam out for everyone to see. i can be a self-proclaimed whatever, if i want! sbay rocks, and if they did more bis then gyp wouldnt be hurting.

i happen to be very loyal to sbay/sboo/icmag crew and want to help is that wrong? ill be sending my 250 in when i finish my move and get settled,

it would be nice to not have to spend 303 when icmag is only getting 250.... id rather icmag get 303....

[Guest]

On DH's concerns...i know Sbay, Sboo, and ICmag are different entities but wouldn't it make sense for us to be able to send our donations in with our order payments...this way we wouldn't have to pay overnight twice?????

We could just put the donation in an envelope and mark it ICmag.com Donation

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I'm getting to feel like the busker with a guitar on the subway/tube........many people pass him by and quite a few of them like the music he plays.....but just a few stop and listen for a while.......and fewer still put some coin in his hat......but even still......those coins pay for him to be there every day strumming away......

If he gets a few good days then he can buy an amplifier and a wa-wa pedal.......and maybe a harmonica to make the music sound better......

....He ain't begging......nor am I......you pays your money.....you takes your choice.


That being said in all seriousness......it would be kinda nice NOT to have to pay the bills here with a product that may not be legal to sell one-day........what then?

Yes ThirdEye......I have just had a word with the Seedbay cats and they said that it would be OK if you did send any donation along with your order......and that they would forward it for the ICM fund.....

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Currently Active Users: 908 (346 members and 562 guests)

the bulk of your bandwith goes to freeloaders that won't even register. I'll be happy to contribute for members but hell no to keep giving the guests a free ride

[Sammet]

Mr. Gypsy, Royal Mail Recorded Signed For ok? If so it's in the post tomorrow.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Sounds good to me Sammet


Thank-You very much...

A proportion of the guests will in time become members once they feel the need and gain the confidence to post, they may even become subscribers one day....Many of them now are learning something of USE and I would not want to take that away from them....

[Guest]

Since this seems to be the self involved thread (J/K) I'll bump my own post. I said I'm in when fundage allows it and I'll make good on helping GP AND I'll pay for the shirt if any more exist. I think I deserve a shirt ... I got you if you need it GP ... Now about that T-Shirt Gypsy ... You know the ones GH had made up ... with my Name on it ... are there any left ?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

....I just checked and there are no-more of those GH shirts available WWM.....sorry man.....

....Oh the ICMAG 4/20 Cup is on again this year if any of you can get to the Dam.....

[JJScorpio]

I think people should know that the times are changing in the UK. Right now in the UK they are attempting to recriminalize cannabis and you never know but it might include seed sales.

As an example, look at what happened to RC and Heavans Stairway. God forbid it ever happened, but there could come a day that Gypsy could come under investigation. If this were to happen, and it were known that the site was paid for by members, it couldn't be touched. It would be looked at as a member run site. And that is not illegal. We have our right to freedom of speech. I know it's to early to start looking at that right now, but if this were a member paid for site, there would be nothing the DEA could do regarding the servers. Maybe someday there may be enough members that everyone can pay a small fee and the site could become member owned and paid for so to speak. It would be totally seperate from the seed sales and would be untouchable. That might also allow for the price of seeds to be reduced. Just something to throw out there for thought.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

It would be kinda sensible to disenfranchise seed sales from what it costs to run this site.......it would be kinda nice if the members were to take that responsibility upon themselves to help pay the bills around here rather than depend on advertisering that most don't really want or like anyway.......oh in a perfect world.....


Right now the UK government looks to be up to re-criminalizing cannabis......and who knows how long seed sales may be legal anyway?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I've been reading with great interest, but my perspective on this matter is that no one knows the outcome of tomorrow or the next day. Now that being said, I also believe that a lifetime membership is not a smart business proposal, a yearly membership fee would bring in a way better income. Now, if the price is fairly low, then more would sign up and there would be a thriving community. If the pris is too steep for a good portion of the people's, then the community would suffer as a whole and hence lesser activity....

Peace


....so 27 cents per day is too much?

.....someone just told me 80% of the internet is porn sites.......what do they charge?

.........what would you pay for pot-porn?......all these naked female plants just oozing resin....lol!

[RED145]

It would be kinda sensible to disenfranchise seed sales from what it costs to run this site.......it would be kinda nice if the members were to take that responsibility upon themselves to help pay the bills around here rather than depend on advertisering that most don't really want or like anyway.......oh in a perfect world.....


Right now the UK government looks to be up to re-criminalizing cannabis......and who knows how long seed sales may be legal anyway?

I Love You Gypsy Nirvana,I love you for every freebie you ever gave me,I love you for making this site and giving me a place to hang out,I love you because I feel your an honest fucker,THATS why I'm gonna be sending the cheddar......That and you fuckers aint gonna be talkin about me in no private forum!!!

Sadly.....chances are good that the above will happen,then we lose all the seed vendor forums,then the site gets real small,and before ya know it it's all over......I wanna do my part while it's here....dont forget,this is my home and as much as I dont get along with all of ya's,I guess we are somewhat of dysfunctional family!!! :wave:

PM Me,I know all the good free porn sites!!!

[Gypsy Nirvana]

He he good question, what would i pay ? well, the answer would be around 20$ for a 1 year subscription.....


OK......so Dane thinks this site is worth just 5 cents a day to be a subscriber....


..,...what else can you buy for 5 cents these days?........I have heard of 'nickel and dime' stores........but do they still exhist?


Love You Gypsy Nirvana,I love you for every freebie you ever gave me,I love you for making this site and giving me a place to hang out,I love you because I feel your an honest fucker,THATS why I'm gonna be sending the cheddar......That and you fuckers aint gonna be talkin about me in no private forum!!!

Sadly.....chances are good that the above will happen,then we lose all the seed vendor forums,then the site gets real small,and before ya know it it's all over......I wanna do my part while it's here....dont forget,this is my home and as much as I dont get along with all of ya's,I guess we are somewhat of dysfunctional family!!!

PM Me,I know all the good free porn sites!!!





...oh and thanks RED145.....I love to be loved.....love back at ya!.............I just bought half a kilo of seriously strong cheddar..(I'm all cheddared up)....any chance of you sending in a nice piece of Emmental?

[Endo]

....so 27 cents per day is too much?

.....someone just told me 80% of the internet is porn sites.......what do they charge?

.........what would you pay for pot-porn?......all these naked female plants just oozing resin....lol!

first i never every have paid for internet porno. its just un american. secondly, pot and naked women sounds like a great idea, and im sure it would help membership like they do over at *20times.com. id definitly be in if you got some nakey girls in here., wait thats just wrong and demoralizing and just plain, silly........


or is it?
sneaky like a fox.. sneaky like a fox.....

[Pops]

If Gypsy decides to add a little real porn to the bud porn, let us just hope that he does not star in it himself. I think Dutch would do a Lorena Bobbett on him and it is no fun watching a guy called Stumpy doing porn.

On the other hand, internet porn is almost as profitable as marijuana. U.S. sales of marijuana are somewhere around $35 billion, more than wheat and soybeans combined, and $10 billion ahead of corn, which is second place. Don't know what internet porn brings in, but I know it is a bunch.

[Harry Gypsna]

i tell what you should get setup....the cannapersonals thing.... a stoner dating service is what is needed....I know a headshop here tried it but i dont nthink they piblicized it enough i only ever saw 1 ad in weedworld..... im sure im not the only toker out there who is lonely(you dont meet many hot chicks in my lounge on the sofa with a bong welded to my gob) or in need of some cobwebs ducting off.... It could be for tokers and cannabis tolerant people, an you could run it on exactly the same lines as match.com...
Lazy, sarcastic scruffy hippy, with fat sack(read into that wat you want ahaha) seeks immorral young woodnymph for wild nights ofsexual gymnastics and excessive THc consumption. MUST be bendy

[tenfeetofganja]

Wat if I send you 250 tonite and all of sudden gypsys arrested and IC is gone like OG???

[NOKUY]

Wat if I send you 250 tonite and all of sudden gypsys arrested and IC is gone like OG???

then your assed out

[BadKarma]

Wat if I send you 250 tonite and all of sudden gypsys arrested and IC is gone like OG???

You would be in better shape than Gypsy and we start a defense fund. :nono:

[BadKarma]

Hey Gypsy have you ever considered closing the site and taking the money to start buying off politicians?

This is of course assuming you don't have to already.

[Guest]

....I just checked and there are no-more of those GH shirts available WWM.....sorry man.....

....Oh the ICMAG 4/20 Cup is on again this year if any of you can get to the Dam.....Thanks for the effort Gypsy ... and here's a kick in the nether regions ... Even if there was one available my lawyer has once again reminded me that if I did obtain a shirt my pending suit against Arjan (for using my intellectual property without permission) might be compromised ... as it could be seen as a form of compensation or acceptance of said use. This is why we Need lawyers. And I really wanted one of those shirts ... (as Herb looks around dejectedly for the jar and the bubbler)

[Sammet]

Wat if I send you 250 tonite and all of sudden gypsys arrested and IC is gone like OG???

Tough luck I guess. I've already sent mine in (today) and even if IC shut down tomorrow I'd do it again. I've saved so much money growing my own - A lifetimes subscription = an ounce of crap seeded wet weed around here. Since I've been at ICMag I've saved on buying probably close to a pound of weed- I went from harvesting a few ounces once or twice a year to now harvesting a pound or more per annum.

So I'm paying backtaxes too. (well that's how I think of it)

[dkmonk]

Well im happy seedbay will let us use them as a means of payment just as long as we order seeds, thats a good start but still i think you should look into setting up your own method.

As far as the pot porn thing goes it would be retarded, if you want porn go to a porn site, having porn here would discredit the site i think and bring in unwanted members imo.

[neuroherb]

Must admit GN that when I first read the end of this thread I had a lot of reservations along the usual lines of the server provider vs the comunity content provider that is common to forums. However after reading your first post in the thread I got to give you credit for trying to tackle an issue that is very common to forums in an interesting manner.

I do still have one reservation for you along the line of IP on the comments posted. At present IC basically claims the legal status of enabler for others to make un edited comment at their responsibility. If you start charging for access to this information are you therefore taking ownership of the IP on these comments which could be seen to put you as publisher & then could this be used against you as a conspirator for anyone the LEO could prove gained the information to grow from here. Only thinking of this because I read a thread on here about a hydro shop being charged along these lines.

[Alex-F]

$100 = €66 I'm in :muahaha:

[mrwags]

You would be in better shape than Gypsy and we start a defense fund. :nono:


Man I do love me some adult talk every now and then. :headbange


Mod Karma to BadKarma even tho mine is good. :muahaha:


Mr.Wags

[Guest]

Wow! so many thoughts and opinions. I had a few thoughts/suggestions myself. First off I have no problem with the idea of paying for a worthy cause that provides so much enjoyment for so many people. I as most of the rest of you love and enjoy ICMag.com greatly. I personally could not come up with $250 if my life depended on it, thus my thoughts as follows.
From reading between the lines of 10 pages of comments I believe most want to physically receive something in return for their "donation". For example why not put together a package deal? Say 3 for argument sake,name them what you want silver,gold,platinum whatever at the requested $50, $100, or lifetime $250. Each package contains a t-shirt stating something along the lines of " I am an ICMag.com supporter" you get the idea, on the back or vice-versa it would say "seedbay.com". All packages get a t-shirt, 2nd level get's a t-shirt and a pack of seeds( this could be IC or SB discretion, say $50 value) and highest level a t-shirt and a pack of seeds (say $100 value or some hidden jewel not seen for a while done with a poll let's say). This would give every contributor something physical, to hold in their hands. Depending on the beans offered in the higher level membership you could possibly double the monetary donation or more depending on what people thought the value of the package was really worth to them. This would be offered on seedbay.com as an auction. Another thought, I agree whole heartedly that if everyone had to log in using a member name free or not it would discourage some of the "guest" statistics that have been mentioned thus lowering bandwidth usage. On a final thought for now, members that donate to the freebie program, say minimum 100 beans, get's say a month membership minus the t-shirt. This could/would encourage members that are on the fence let's say about a paid membership to actually experience the enhanced benefits of becoming a paid member. Just my thoughts for the moment. Whatever happens, thank you Gypsy and DG for providing this site to us all. I know I for one have and do enjoy it immensely. :joint:

[Bubble Puppy]

Comming up with $250 at once to some can be difficult

What sounds good would be to allow whovever can or wants to send the full $250 do so ,and give them their status,under their nic .

For the rest allow them to send in what they can,w sbay orders sounds nice ,and keep a running total of what each person has sent ,when someone hits the $250 mark ,they then join the others ,with supporter logo and privliges .

Just a thought and 2 cents

[neuroherb]

Couple of point corrections IMO. First the UK never decriminalised cannabis comments like that are a mis understanding of the re calssificatin to C in the first place & passing them around is what the UK government is using as an excuse to attempt another re classification back to B. All in all just another attempt from Preacher Gordy to revise Tony the poodles 'mistakes' without admiting the big one.

Second I think its a bit of paranoia to start giving the impression there is a threat to seed sales, actually I think seedbank & seed growers could be doing a lot more EU wide to support there customers. Changing there status would require legislation at the EU level & the direction of the EU overall is towards decriminilisation not more prohibition. Something the Gord will need to work on anyway to get his re grade through. Its all about headlines to get the Blue Rinse vote.

Additionally I know there is a predispostion for everything to be priced in dollars on the net however that doesn't mean the world revolves to american law. The DEA don't mean sh*te in the UK. AND the UK is where Gypsy is asking the money to be sent therefore UK law will have jurisdiction.

My concern regards the interactivity of advice on growing. A magazine prints articles & may take the usual letters to the Ed, but you can't daily or by the minute ask 'what did i do wrong' & 'what should i do to make it right?'.

By charging money to receive this advice & creating a core membership of those paying to pass it around if the LEO could make the connection is there a possibility a poster or the site owner could be charged as a conspirator in a grow. Plenty possibility of honey traps. I expect Gypsy has already had some legal advice, but if not t might be wise to get some as there is a thread on here where as part of a charge against a UK hydro shop they have used the conspiracy charge for giving grow advice.

I have seen loads of free forums 'monetize' there site & I have no problem with Gypsy introducing an optional donator system as the main word is OPTIONAL.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

....Yes ....please take note of the word OPTIONAL..........


.....and in a way anyone that posts a usefull thread or post is contributing to the good content of the site...........but in reality it does'nt help to pay the server/bandwidth costs......

[NOKUY]

Comming up with $250 at once to some can be difficult


man im not gonna say what i think its a fair price cuz i already did.......but in response to this post.....

....250 buks aint shit.

[LiLWaynE]

...

.....and in a way anyone that posts a usefull thread or post is contributing to the good content of the site...........but in reality it does'nt help to pay the server/bandwidth costs......


im really glad that you mentioned this, because it was a thought that had crossed my head at one point or another somewhere down the line...and im sure im not the only one...

peace.

[bonecollector]

Gypsy my man, yes its me. Drop me a private message. We have alot to talk about my freind.

[Endo]

Gypsy my man, yes its me. Drop me a private message. We have alot to talk about my freind.
not without your 50 posts. you cant pm. might wanna try and catch him in chat or something.

[Guest]

not without your 50 posts. you cant pm. might wanna try and catch him in chat or something.
cant get in chat either :spank:

[donutsandwich]

hey gypsy... i think this is a great idea i can understand why youd need these funds... once i can scrap together $250 of extra change ill defeinitely wanna do this.. your site has helped me out immmensely when it comes to my growing experience and that alone is worth well more than $250... the info here will give me mj which id value at priceless because i was able to fully enjoy the entire process of plant growth especially the smoking...

[neuroherb]

Don't like to sound like a downer & I do more reading in other areas as I have more to learn than to say. However although I understand the sentiment I would question the wiseness of publicly expressing money to GN results in yield in ones hand.

I agree totaly on the optional GN but don't think it addresses the concern I have. Publicly showing the supporter as being of the mag not the forum plus maybe giving posters the ultimate right to delete their comments may go some way towards it.

I think I will wait a few months after this is fully implemented to see how the wind blows over it all before making a choice.

[dbuzz]

man im not gonna say what i think its a fair price cuz i already did.......but in response to this post.....

....250 buks aint shit.

dood, then why don't you pay for a few other subscriptions. :confused:

[dank.frank]

Well, I may not be one of the big boys as some have said, but even with low posts, I have viewed this site for well over a year. I was a reader of OverGrow....but we all know how that story ended. My point, is that you can never really tell what the future will bring...I would be seriously upset if I didn't get a refund if for any reason I did not have TRUE lifetime access.(and not lifetime of the site)

Don't get me wrong....I find tons of great information here, and it is always interesting reading...but $250...that seems a bit steep. I understand and apperciate the burden you take on by managing this site...BUT the best idea I have heard yet, don't let guests post. registered members only...see how that works and then escalade to some other option.

Or simply don't store so much....create a ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORTHY POSTS....and delete the other chit, chatty non-sense question forms that exist for a needless amount of time. Especially when a lot of questions asked could all ready be easily answered after a short trip to the WORTHY POSTS section.

No offense, but I honestly have a hard time navigating this site and finding the same post twice...or finding posts on a particular topic....mabye a futher refinement of topics to better organize things...and have less clutter. For example...

Add an aeroponics, and a dwc, soil, room....and then within that have the current selection
or even rooms dedicated to training types...scrog, lst, sog, bush, bonsia...whatever...rather than a dedicated thread with a million and one semi related thread questions...


Probably not being clear...but I guess...elimate guess posts, and re-organize/futher refinement of the posting rooms...

there is the 2 cents of another small guy

[dank.frank]

AND ON A SIDE NOTE....

if the growers co-ops in California can offer to pay off half the state debt...then offer to help out folks like GN doing us all huge favors...

...no offense meant

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Well so far we have one member that has sent in funds for a lifetime subscribers membership....and I would like to publically thank member Sammet for helping to contribute towards the server bill that keeps this site up here for all to use, learn and laugh thru......

dank.frank.......guests on the site cannot post......only members like yourself....most guests are here to view the site and maybe learn something from it.....they cannot interact with it untill they become a member....

[DIGITALHIPPY]

its hard when 1/2 the time the site is purly un-navigateable... i normaly wait 30-45 seconds when i click reply/quickreply/quote otherwise the site thinks im trying to post, it tells me i cannot post that soon, or i dont have enough content. its always a gamble wether my reply will actualy go through so what i started doing is copying my whole post... them i click 'reply'...anoying to say the least.

i really just enjoy finding strains on icmag -to buy from seedbay....
so with no icmag, i wont sbay nearly as much...
dont worry im not a big customer, only 1.5k this year.

id like to give you cash but, like others im sceptical the tech-support will be there a lifetime.... maybe another year or two... what was a year membership fee again? ill just start with that.

[Sleepy]

Nice job sammet!!

i guess this lucky member is in for a bonus of sorts?

hehehe :muahaha: :rasta: :jump:

[swampdank]

i will sure as shit donate. can i send the fundswith my next seedboo transaction? i want to be a permanent and effective member. 250 aint shit when i comes to the knowledge i have gained here. i will start to round the change up now. an incentive for all members would be first pick when seeds drop on seedbay. that would be worth way more than 250 for quite a few people who miss out on sales. when rez drops a new line, supporters get first dibs. profits would be the same but seedbay would be reenforcing support for icmag. just a thought. i send in my change next order.

[dank.frank]

Don't get me wrong...like I said, GN takes a huge responsibility by having a forum...we all know the risk he is taking and the costs he faces.

Again...though, another side thought. NOT EVERYONE RUNS 5000W...and can really afford anything outside the already planned bills. SOME of us really are just scared little hobbists that spent all their extra on equipment and seeds-just grateful for such a place as this to be amongst such intelligent farmers so that we don't waste our investments.

Sorry that I misunderstood what is possible at this site, GN. I just see people posting stuff that starts forum roits all the time under a "guest" tag...sorry if I mis-spoke.

[JJScorpio]

its hard when 1/2 the time the site is purly un-navigateable... i normaly wait 30-45 seconds when i click reply/quickreply/quote otherwise the site thinks im trying to post, it tells me i cannot post that soon, or i dont have enough content. its always a gamble wether my reply will actualy go through so what i started doing is copying my whole post... them i click 'reply'...anoying to say the least.

i really just enjoy finding strains on icmag -to buy from seedbay....
so with no icmag, i wont sbay nearly as much...
dont worry im not a big customer, only 1.5k this year.

id like to give you cash but, like others im sceptical the tech-support will be there a lifetime.... maybe another year or two... what was a year membership fee again? ill just start with that.


There are upgrades in the works right now. It just keeps getting bigger.

I think you're going to see membership rise faster than it has been. It's been a couple years since OG and people are going to get back into the forum life. The keys going to be to find the right upgrades to keep up with it....

[Gypsy Nirvana]

its hard when 1/2 the time the site is purly un-navigateable... i normaly wait 30-45 seconds when i click reply/quickreply/quote otherwise the site thinks im trying to post, it tells me i cannot post that soon, or i dont have enough content. its always a gamble wether my reply will actualy go through so what i started doing is copying my whole post... them i click 'reply'...anoying to say the least.

i really just enjoy finding strains on icmag -to buy from seedbay....
so with no icmag, i wont sbay nearly as much...
dont worry im not a big customer, only 1.5k this year.

id like to give you cash but, like others im sceptical the tech-support will be there a lifetime.... maybe another year or two... what was a year membership fee again? ill just start with that.


Its for reasons such as you state DIGITALHIPPY that I have asked the membership for a voluntary contribution.....with more funds we could upgrade and trouble-shoot the site more regularly and thouroughly......

....and yes.....any member could make a donation if they wish to help however small if they are making an order thru SBoo or Sbay......and then they can forward it to me...for the ICM fund....

[Bacchus]

...GN takes a huge responsibility by having a forum...we all know the risk he is taking .What risk?

BTW, would some of these funds help to get another magazine published? I am still waiting for my 2nd one. If this question has allready been answered, then thanks. Busy here.

Good luck on your endeavors GN. :)

[Sammet]

Sammet sits twiddling his thumbs in the subscribers lounge...

Bit too keen aren't I? :rolleyes:

[Guest]

....so 27 cents per day is too much?
It's not $0.27/day ... it's $100 today.

.....someone just told me 80% of the internet is porn sites.......what do they charge?
Most, nothing. People paying for porn are suckers cause you can find those same images/movies for free elsewhere.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.....wrong.......it's zero today if you don't wish or want to contribute......that's your choice.....ICMAG is still here for you.......as always...


....take note......this is not me asking for a compulsory contribution.........it's you deciding on a voluntary contribution......

[Endo]

.....wrong.......it's zero today if you don't wish or want to contribute......that's your choice.....ICMAG is still here for you.......as always...


....take note......this is not me asking for a compulsory contribution.........it's you deciding on a voluntary contribution......


why does it seem people have a hard time understanding the word voluntary?

[dank.frank]

What risk?

BTW, would some of these funds help to get another magazine published? I am still waiting for my 2nd one. If this question has allready been answered, then thanks. Busy here.

Good luck on your endeavors GN. :)


The risk that one day someone may not be as happy about his business and site....USA crosses the international line all the time and gets away with it. I suppose if the powers that be across the world decided, then it could very easily become a similar OG scenario.

[mrgrowmez]

Hey Gypsy and co,

Although i don't have 250 now, i will be more then happy to become a subscriber in the future when i do have some extra cash. It may sound a little steep but when you think about how much money this site has helped me save buy teaching me how to grow my own instead of buying soap-bar from dealers its more than worth it.

Before i joined up here i had no idea how to grow and now after almost a year and a half later ive harvested 250 grams of grade a bud all thanks to you guys!!!!!

Where im from weed and hash goes for $16 a gram in my opinion thats alot steeper.
Besides the site is still going to be free anyway

kudos
mr.g

[oldpink]

The risk that one day someone may not be as happy about his business and site....USA crosses the international line all the time and gets away with it. I suppose if the powers that be across the world decided, then it could very easily become a similar OG scenario.

the IC mag servers are based in Holland where cannabis is not against the law
here is zero chance of IC becoming another OG

[Chamba]

The risk that one day someone may not be as happy about his business and site....USA crosses the international line all the time and gets away with it. I suppose if the powers that be across the world decided, then it could very easily become a similar OG scenario.

don't you think the NY based High Times that has been rubbing their face in it for close 40 years would their first target?

btw the US had nothing to do with the shutting down of OG...it was Canadian based and the owner was not busted for publishing

[farmerlion]

WHAT IF'S........ I PAY MY SAY $250 THEN A WEEK AFTER I PAY IT I GET BANNED CAUSE I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS. I PONY UP ANOTHER $250 FROM A DIFFERANT E-MAIL ADDRESS? OR A REINSTATEMENT FEE? I WOULD RATHER DONATE AN EXTRA FIVE BUCKS WITH EVERY ORDER. TO POST COMMENTS IT'S A GENERAL SUBSCRIPTION OF SAY $25 A YEAR. TO RUN A TEST GROW IT IS $50 A YEAR ECT. THE SEED IDEA IS GREAT! I CAN SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LYING ABOUT THIER GEAR. READ THE SITE FOR FREE BUT YOU CAN'T POST. IF MANDALA CAN HAVE THE SEED PRICES THEY HAVE AND SUCH QUALITY AND HAVE A TOP NOTCH WEB SITE.WE SHOULD TALK TO MIKE AND JASMIN. EVERY BREEDER COULD COME UP WITH THOUSANDS OF F-2'S FOR AUCTIONS IN EXCHANGE FOR ADVERTISING. I WOULD THINK FOR WHAT IT COSTS TO RENT A CAR FOR A MONTH YOU COULD MAKE A CAR PAYMENT. LETS BUY OUR OWN SERVER THE PAYMENTS ON ONE HAVE GOT TO BE LESS THAN 10,000 PEOPLE COUGHING UP $250 LOL

[neuroherb]

the IC mag servers are based in Holland where cannabis is not against the law
here is zero chance of IC becoming another OG


Oldpink

Sorry but this is another common misconception unless GN lives in Holland or only ever accesses the mag/website management interface when resident in Holland. My interest in this subject was during the fledgling hobbyist days of internet radio & whether we could be covered by the royalties being paid in the USA or if it was likely we could end up being charged twice. The topic was covered in the most recent broadcasting bill as a way to try making it easier to identify who to charge in internet fraud cases. The up shot is that the law was changed to identify the legal jurisdiction as that of the country where the person who manages the server resides.

I reckoned the UK as GN's comments make it sound as if thats it & also the paymenst are being requested there. If it was only the money & it was a sum large enough any company could argue there playing the exchange rate using rollbacks, but then again most would hold there US funds in America until the current exchange rate was more favourable.

Anyway just wanted to clarify the original point feel free to research it at the gov direct website.

[Grat3fulh3ad]

WHAT IF'S........ I PAY MY SAY $250 THEN A WEEK AFTER I PAY IT I GET BANNED CAUSE I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS. I PONY UP ANOTHER $250 FROM A DIFFERANT E-MAIL ADDRESS? OR A REINSTATEMENT FEE? I WOULD RATHER DONATE AN EXTRA FIVE BUCKS WITH EVERY ORDER. TO POST COMMENTS IT'S A GENERAL SUBSCRIPTION OF SAY $25 A YEAR. TO RUN A TEST GROW IT IS $50 A YEAR ECT. THE SEED IDEA IS GREAT! I CAN SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LYING ABOUT THIER GEAR. READ THE SITE FOR FREE BUT YOU CAN'T POST. IF MANDALA CAN HAVE THE SEED PRICES THEY HAVE AND SUCH QUALITY AND HAVE A TOP NOTCH WEB SITE.WE SHOULD TALK TO MIKE AND JASMIN. EVERY BREEDER COULD COME UP WITH THOUSANDS OF F-2'S FOR AUCTIONS IN EXCHANGE FOR ADVERTISING. I WOULD THINK FOR WHAT IT COSTS TO RENT A CAR FOR A MONTH YOU COULD MAKE A CAR PAYMENT. LETS BUY OUR OWN SERVER THE PAYMENTS ON ONE HAVE GOT TO BE LESS THAN 10,000 PEOPLE COUGHING UP $250 LOL


Ummm... People only get banned for violating the site's terms of use, not for hurting anyone's feelings...

So, unless you Plan on violating TOU, your subscription would be safe from banning...

Also...

STOP YELLING!

[Grat3fulh3ad]

It's not $0.27/day ... it's $100 today. Actually it's both... lol..


Most, nothing. People paying for porn are suckers cause you can find those same images/movies for free elsewhere.

To continue this as a porn analogy...

So, a porn site should only offer low resolution 30 second movies and low res images and it should only be free, and the people who pay for access to full length DVD quality movies or up to date hi-res images of a favorite personality or fettish are all suckers...




Absolutely crazy IMHO for anyone to whine about:

Getting to continue with the exact same level of service you currently enjoy at absolutely no cost to yourself... With the additional option to contribute to something you believe in, while receiving extra perks and services for your contribution.

No one is taking anything away from anybody, only offering something extra to those who are interested...

Geeesh... the way some of you are acting, ICMAG is attempting to extort money for you, instead of merely offering you an additional choice....

[Elevator Man]

My main concern with this, as I am interested in principle, is that of 'lifetime' membership, or benefits. With an institution like the National Trust, or even National Geographic for that matter, I can safely assume that the insitution will still be around for the duration of my lifetime. I'm not so sure about ICMag, and that's no criticism at all - I spend a lot of time here, and make a lot of written contribution.

But there's no guarantees in this business, and so the lifetime supprt could only end up being a couple of years. To be honest, if I were still employed, I'd drop the money in like a shot, but on a tight budget, I've got to buy food and new shoes first...:)

I'm always happy to offer other services to ICMag for free in the meantime - would've been happy to help on the magazine in any way, but looks like that's not happening now...?

[Guest]

I too have no spare money, being unemployed, but I'd love to help with the magazine too.

[JJScorpio]

Ummmm..People may not get banned unless they violate TOU but they can and will be slammed into indefinate coventry for not violating any rules whatsoever!I've heard a million times this isnt a democracy its Gypsy's house whenever there was a disagreement.Gypsy should pay for his house

Seeings you want to make a statement like this, which I'll add is completely false, why don't you post this list of people that have been put into coventry for violating no rules, as you say.

People will get put into coventry for making false statements for the sole purpose of trying to upset members.

I'll be waiting for your list. Or are you just trying to upset people?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Ummmm..People may not get banned unless they violate TOU but they can and will be slammed into indefinate coventry for not violating any rules whatsoever!I've heard a million times this isnt a democracy its Gypsy's house whenever there was a disagreement.Gypsy should pay for his house



....I do pay for this place blockhead so that you can come here and hopefully learn and/or share some knowledge of worth to others.........and if I believe that some member or other is only here to cause trouble/post crap and sow the seeds of dissharmony.......then they will be put into coventry or banned so as not to up-set anyone more than they had done already........

All the Mod's and Admins and most members here don't want to see ICMAG reduced to a crude site full of slanging matches and gratuitously profane gossip and flaming as exhibited on other sites....


If you want that......then don't look or post here for it...please go else-where....

.....Subscribing to this site is a voluntary option for any member.......I still pay the bills and will continue to as long as I can.......

[Sammet]

I know it is in the midlands but what's wrong with going to Coventry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry) ? Nice cathedral.

[Couch Locked]

lets all donate some old junker 386's and gypsy can get himself a t1, bam problem solved.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

My main concern with this, as I am interested in principle, is that of 'lifetime' membership, or benefits. With an institution like the National Trust, or even National Geographic for that matter, I can safely assume that the insitution will still be around for the duration of my lifetime. I'm not so sure about ICMag, and that's no criticism at all - I spend a lot of time here, and make a lot of written contribution.

But there's no guarantees in this business, and so the lifetime supprt could only end up being a couple of years. To be honest, if I were still employed, I'd drop the money in like a shot, but on a tight budget, I've got to buy food and new shoes first...:)

I'm always happy to offer other services to ICMag for free in the meantime - would've been happy to help on the magazine in any way, but looks like that's not happening now...?


......Well Elevator Man......Lifetime....mmm.....s ome lifes are short and some are long.....I can only hope and work towards ICMAG's being a long one.....let's hope that it is....and as with all usefull and valid contributions to the site we all are gratefull....

....There is no obligation on yours or anyones part to offer funds for the server bills.......but I can ask, even though most probably I will not get a cent/penny from 99.9% of those that use this site.....but I can ask....

I would like to get a 3rd edition of the magazine underway but lack a progressive and motivated editor and marketing team to achieve this......There is plenty of material for another magazine for sure ....it's just getting it sorted and out there with limited funding which is not such an easy task to achieve.......


....after a chat with our server peeps I was informed that we are running at around 10megabits of bandwith per month........and have so far had a very positive, secure and supportive service from them (24/7) over more than 4 years now and that I am not about to end and move ICMAG elsewhere where it might be a bit cheaper........

[Capt. Crip]

One thing I can attest to is the fact that no site could be put through the TRAUMA that IC/Gypsy have had to endure over the last couple of years....
The fact that IC never wavered says a hell of a lot about it's administrators..

E-man raised a valid point but the way I see it if my lifetime membership ran out 2 years from now I would not be bothered and would be more bummed that something had happened to the IC crew because I know Gypsy would not let his baby go without a hell of a fight...!!!
I really feel like IC will be kicking as long as Gypsy is kicking..

Thanks for doing what you do Gypsy DG and OP.....You guys put in a lot of time here for us and it is very much appreciated by many...
You absolutely will be getting a donation from me and more than likely during my trip....I may not be able to pay for a lifetime(or maybe I will)but I certainly plan to at least start my membership...No,I do not feel obligated but it's the least I can offer as much as I use IC mag as tool for learning and sharing knowledge....More and more,everyday this place gets more valuble info that people can learn from...It's the OG of our time and it will eventually gain as much info as had been collected before OG's loss...I'm not going into the negatives and positives of the sites as this is not a competition and IC has it's own future and plans and I for one am happy it's that way...

Thanks Gypsy,Dutchgrown and Old Pink(including web support and moderators)you guys are doing a great job here!

Take c are all........................... ..............CC

[mark6699331]

Yeah thanks y'all we really appreciate it. I'd be willing to donate. As i've enjoyed ic through its ups and downs for awhile. And icmag inspired us in humboldt to create our mini-mag based upon your more "serious" attempt at canna-journalism.

[m@rg]

just gotta find something i like off seedbay and ill donate ,is it £125gbp ?.ill throw in a few packs of my home made seeds for the freebies as well

i feel ive learnt alot from this site ,lots of great people on here too
:joint:

[wantaknow]

put up a link to to evidance eliminator on front page ,like og did ,sell it to increase security ,and help cover cost ,its a great program ,

[Gypsy Nirvana]

put up a link to to evidance eliminator on front page ,like og did ,sell it to increase security ,and help cover cost ,its a great program ,



yeah good idea man......I'll look into it...

[Guest]

Hey JJ, what is that horrid creature?

If i saw something like that I'd probably shoot first and ask questions later! lol

[wantaknow]

much respect

[bounty29]

GN - One thing you might think about doing is compiling DIY threads, or Grow Guide threads, ya know, useful stuff like that, onto a DVD and selling that for $20 or $25 bucks, whatever price seems reasonable. Mycotopia does that and from what I've seen it looks like it's pretty successful. It allows people with dial up or no internet connection to take advantage of all the great info from the forums. I'm not sure when I'm gonna have an extra $250, but when I do I know where it's going.

[neuroherb]

LOL Gypsy

Fair to quite a lot of people is when they get what they want. No argument your trying to implement a fair solution.

IMO I think even pricing it in $ is quite fair as the costs will be in Euro or £ which means when the exchange rate moves you lose (Present trend for the dollar is down) instead of pricing it Euro and having the US readers suffer the losses of a poor exchange rate.

A point I wonder about similar to the evidence eliminator which is not much more than spyware itself. Is why is it all the forums only use canna advertisers. Seriously I buy many more products than just canna based ones. While I don't count myself as the type of consumer who reacts to advertising obviously there are those who do so why not get their next credit card from a banner or link on IC. It may be that they won't accept the topic, but most corporate businesses couldn't care where there profits come from. I know net advertising doesn't always turn ot the cash cow a lot of people think it is so wouldn't solve what your after, but if your thinking of spreading the net wider why not consider more than just canna & how to hide the tracks of canna activity.

[JJScorpio]

Hey JJ, what is that horrid creature?

If i saw something like that I'd probably shoot first and ask questions later! lol

Thats the biggest meanest possum I ever saw in my life. Those are 3 foot long and 1 ft high live traps and he tripped it three times before I could catch him. He was so long hed hit the pan and the door would drop on his back and he'd back out. I finally had to sit in my truck with a rope to the trap on my garage floor. I wedged up the pan and put the bait all the way to the back and when he was all the way in I yanked the rope to drop the door. That was him right after I caught him. He was mad. I bet he's 15 pounds of nasty fury, lol.....He'd eat a bowl of cat food in about a minute and was biting one of my outdoor cats so he had to go....

I drove him ten miles away and dropped him off by a swamp where there was a deer that had been hit by a car. I was afraid to let him out of the trap because you have to hold the door up by hand, lol.....He just ran though.....

[SCF]

For the medical forum users. Our forum has become a wealth of information. most of us live on limited income. Some do not. Just think of those other medical forums out there not to call them out. But its one hell of a dog eats dog world out there. I for one love this place and love the forum i moderate. I love the people and their kindness and their willingness to give information as well as take it. So for all you people out there who can think of the poor one arm man who cant grow, or the burn victim, or someone who has been in a accident.. Even if you are helping one person.... or 1000's. It speaks miles of your character. To support this site, is to support a poor soul who is just learning or a person who may need a lot of help... where there is a seed their is a sprout.....

Spread the seed! and as gyspy said. Its voluntary...

Thanks for this great site man! and everyone else behind it.

Securtycomesfirst

[LiLWaynE]

GN - One thing you might think about doing is compiling DIY threads, or Grow Guide threads, ya know, useful stuff like that, onto a DVD and selling that for $20 or $25 bucks, whatever price seems reasonable. Mycotopia does that and from what I've seen it looks like it's pretty successful. It allows people with dial up or no internet connection to take advantage of all the great info from the forums. I'm not sure when I'm gonna have an extra $250, but when I do I know where it's going.


im sure someone is already up to this idea... if this site ever goes down (which i guess they say will never happen). anyone who saves these threads will have some valuable stuff at their fingertips...as long as this site is still around, no use stealing one's work and trying to sell it when its readily available now...

anyways, WHO HAS ACTUALLY DONATED (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1557726#post1 557726)??? ive created a link for all who have donated to post in... so far after looking through this thread i have seen sammet, GN, DG, and OP with the icmag supporter logo

[Sammet]

So want to help ensure the future of ICMag? or just feel like you want to give something back?

Becoming an ICMAGAZINE (online) Subscriber.....Please Help....


I.C.Magazine online has come along way in the 4 years since it was launched here on the internet. We have seen it grow expotentially with many interested and interesting members joining us to share their joys in growing and using the plant that brings us together creating a community with a common interest.

As the site has grown so to has the costs of keeping it here for all to use for free. The server and bandwidth costs have now got to a level that I now find difficult to cover from my own pocket.

To be able to upgrade the site and keep it current and exciting with new features also requires funding to employ a technical professional to accomplish this...

So to off-set these costs I have decided to ask for ICMAG Supporters to subscribe to this site.

The ICMAG Supporters once subscribed will have the title 'I.C MAG SUPPORTER' next to their user handle (just like I do have now)... and access to a subscribers forum where upon the request of the subscribers I can make sub-forums for those that might want them for any particular related topic.....

ICMAG Supporters will also have the opportunity to aquire rare and unusual genetics in seed form thru special privaledges to purchase pre-releases and rare varieties from various breeders and these 'specials' and how to get them will be advertised only in the subscribers area......along with other offers not open to the regular membership.....Also each Supporter will have up to 1 whole gigabyte of gallery space....far more than the current 150 megabyte limit as a regular member.....

For many members the beauty of the subscribers forums will be that they will be troll free and a place on the site that you can get together with other supporters without the rude interruptions and interferances that we see on the regular forums from members that are just here to cause trouble and disscontent.......

So if you wish to help ICMAGAZINE.COM.....the best way to do it right now is to subscribe.......Subscription is completely voluntary and hopefully I can find enough of you willing to help out to make a sizable dent in the costs of keeping the site up and running and here for all to use.

Subscription costs will be $250 for lifetime subscribers membership... $100 usd for 1 year.....$75 usd for 6 months......or $50 usd for 3 months.........for conversions into other currencies go to www.xe.com ICMAGAZINE will accept any major currency.......

Please send your subscription along with your ICMAG.COM user handle (so that we can activate your subscribers account) to :I.C.Magazine, Unit#2. 22 Eden Street, Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, KT1 1DN, U.K. (United Kingdom)......

*when sending cash or Money Order (only) for your subscription to ensure delivery please use an 'overnite' service.......if you use the regular post there is a very slim chance a letter may get lost......make your M.O. payable to 'ICM'....

....as soon as we receive your subscription we will activate your ICMAG supporters account.


Thank-you for your kind indulgence....

Gypsy Nirvana

[m@rg]

thanks for posting that sammet
my envelope was on its way to seed bay ,ill change the addy
the "special privaledges" will be cool

[ThePieEyedPiper]

Listen to em' whine about something thats volunteer and rant on in paragraphs

Gypsy I think you should keep the "Elite Seed Section" separate and charge $500 for membership. My buddy who orders our seeds will be joining.

[MyAssIsGrass]

Sammet sits twiddling his thumbs in the subscribers lounge...

Bit too keen aren't I? :rolleyes:

lol'd at that. The earliest days are the lonliest bro, it can only get better :smoke:

[Echoes]

Guess I better start saving up for the yearly subscription. I'm a little bit jobless at the moment so it may be a while but it will definitely be sent out when I get it, Gypsy. Give it some time to catch on and a little time for people to allocate funds and I think this could be successful.

[REZDOG]

I'm in.
Lifetime Membership,please.

[REZDOG]

BINGO!!

We can back this whole freakin' site onto DVD once a year....but I'd suggest a 1x/year compilation....two DVDs,nine gigs of "The Best of IC Mag.Com 2007-2008"
It certainly bitch-slaps ANY magazine in the world,print or digital,content-wise,that I'm aware of....

[TheGoodStuff]

When I get the money I'll be a lifetime member.

I've learned too much from this site not to pay it back.

Does seem pretty damn steep, however.
If it were around 100 or so, I think that far more people would help out.

[TheGoodStuff]

BINGO!!

We can back this whole freakin' site onto DVD once a year....but I'd suggest a 1x/year compilation....two DVDs,nine gigs of "The Best of IC Mag.Com 2007-2008"
It certainly bitch-slaps ANY magazine in the world,print or digital,content-wise,that I'm aware of....


WIN!


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[FrankRizzo]

Just gonna toss this out there for the us site users. Why don't we all take 250 (or any amount) from that 600+ dollar check we are going to get when we get our tax return. You know that economic stimulus package check we are going to be getting? Let scraps the government is throwing to us do some good. Not to mention it would piss them off to know that money meant for the us economy is going to help fund an over seas site that helps people grow. I'm not rich but I'm not that poor either. It may take a month or two but I'm gonna get some money together somehow. I know it's not possible for everyone, but there should be plenty of people on this site that can afford it.

Thank you to Gypsy and all the other people that make this place possible.

PS I'd buy that dvd in a heart beat. It's a great idea.

[nycdfan042]

those checks arent going out til may, you probably wont see it till june, and i already did my taxes and it went to bills. Ill be sending in some seed and when i get some extra scratch ill be sending in my 250$, small price to pay for access to the most powerful cannabis site on the planet.

[Endonoid]

I'll support you IC as soon as I can. Maybe the knowledge it helped me get will help me pay you guys back! Won't be soon, but I'll send some money and seeds one day!

[Poker_Toker]

every lifetime subscriber should get a nice pack of rez seeds :P just to make it worth our while a little more. The system sounds great though and i am sure there is still some smoothing out to do.

Although if you offered a pack of rez seeds with every lifetime membership that i am sure there would be many robberies by members in order to get 250 to get a membership lol. you would make mad cash everyone would want to become a member

[The Iceman]

First off I like this site...alot of old friends migrated over here after the big overgrow breakup which is the main reason I like to come here. Also this site has the most traffic then most any other pot forum so when you ask a question or start a thread you usually get some replies(though alot of kiddies like OG had). Saying that I also goto about 6-7 other forums aswell as some have helpdesks of breeders that others dont or offer something unique in thier own right. HG*420, UK*420, breed-bay, grasscity, everyonedoesit, cannabis-world, ect... I wouldnt feel right donating to just one and not the others when I use them aswell for whatever reasons. I think Gypsy needs to look into advertisments as that would cover most bills. Look at sites like google, yahoo, myspace, ect... do they charge? No, because they get so much traffic that advertisers are lining up to get an ad on there pages. I realise ICMAG is lightyears smaller but it also does have enough traffic to get some solid ads itself....maybe ROOR or another bong company, or bubblebags, seed breeders, hushmail, ect...thats just a small example of a few.. I also think the us vs. them mentality alot of people in the scene is BS. We should all be united as we all share the same love be it smoker or grower.

[oaktree]

I think maybe more people would be inclined to donate if it were 100 for the life time and maybe 50 for the 6 month and 30 or so for the 3 month. Just my opinion. I would like to donate but i'd want the life time and right now 250 is just too much. I can for sure do 100 though. It's understandable that the site needs money and we the users benefit a tone from the site. One day you'll receive a donation from Oaktree, just not till i get myself a little more established or life time goes to 100. If life time goes to 100 my moneys in the mail tomorrow haha.

Peace:canabis:

[TriCrystalz]

GN - One thing you might think about doing is compiling DIY threads, or Grow Guide threads, ya know, useful stuff like that, onto a DVD and selling that for $20 or $25 bucks, whatever price seems reasonable. Mycotopia does that and from what I've seen it looks like it's pretty successful. It allows people with dial up or no internet connection to take advantage of all the great info from the forums. I'm not sure when I'm gonna have an extra $250, but when I do I know where it's going.

I'm with bounty and Rez on this one. Sounds like the most thought out and opportunistic idea...

UNLESS of course, every yearly or lifetime membership comes with a free pack of seeds and a gram of bubblehash.... :joint: :joint: :rasta: :rasta: :jump:

[Connoisseur300]

Gypsy- Do I send in the donation when I order seeds??

[swampdank]

i missed how to send the funds but i will re read the instuctions when i have the envelope in my hand...

[Blaner123Doobie]

....and yes.....any member could make a donation if they wish to help however small if they are making an order thru SBoo or Sbay......and then they can forward it to me...for the ICM fund....


Quick question for you Gypsy, if I wanted to become a paying member could I send in a extra Money Order with a Seedbay order and make it to IC MAG fund and get their membership, would really save on postage :-)
Thanks in advance

[burning_red]

to paraphrase GN from page 9 here's your answer

..........
Yes ThirdEye......I have just had a word with the Seedbay cats and they said that it would be OK if you did send any donation along with your order......and that they would forward it for the ICM fund.....
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......gypsy: have you considered having a massive cleanup of the site? there's a lot of old threads around with good info in them, but many others with nothing important in them and there must be thousands of abandoned accounts without anyone using them. no use in paying for it all.
If I owned this place I would definitely be cleaning it up although that is understandably very time consuming.In the tokers den for instance I went back to the start of the site,all 411 pages and there were at least 20 pointless threads just from pages 406-411 saying "OG CW down".I went in and looked at most of them and they contribute nothing to this place that needs to be saved for posterity.OG and CW inevitably came back up the next day after maintenance and the thread fizzled out in one page.But so many of them.It would take a lot of work

[Guest]

I think that sending in a premium membership payment with a seed order is a good idea.....just remember to indicate what it is for in order to properly receive credit.

I also think that "premium" members should be etitled to be automatically entered into a weekly raffle for items such as tee shirts, a premium seed strain, stash box or any number of stoner desirabes.....grinders, pipes, etc.

Maybe there could be a semi annual grand drawing for something like:

a) a several day fun filled tour of london, paris or amsterdam escorted by Gypsy or a reliable staff member who is up to it an knows how to have an unforgettable time. member would probably pay for travel to and from London.

or

b) a prize package consisting of five premium seed packs of their choice and a stash box

etc.

I think something similiar would draw a lot of interest.

Have fun...still considering listing some options that might draw more interest.

Maybe a guided tour of related interest...history, music, entertainment, or little known secrets of England, Belgium, France and Netherland, Germany, etc.

Take care all...........

[guineapig]

Good ideas for sure.....

Maybe put all of the ICmag supporters in a pool so they can win some paks of highly-coveted seeds......save a few paks of the seedbay-server-crashing seed auctions and raffle them off at random to the ICmag supporters!!!! That would for sure encourage more people to sign up....

:ying: kind regards from guineapig :ying:

[Guest]

Hi GP!

I was also wondering if collectively we could put together some "how to" manuals and GN could sell them here at ICMAG as e books. That way there would be minimal costs and no shipping and you could sell them fairly inexpensively. Just have to set it up with software, etc.

You could have manuals on making wine and beer, grow guides, breeding techniques and a variety of projects. For those that enjoy traveling we could put together our ideas and experiences for visiting various places.

When you think about it, the possibilities are endless.

I'm wondering what others would think of these ideas.

[Wiimote]

BINGO!!

We can back this whole freakin' site onto DVD once a year....but I'd suggest a 1x/year compilation....two DVDs,nine gigs of "The Best of IC Mag.Com 2007-2008"
It certainly bitch-slaps ANY magazine in the world,print or digital,content-wise,that I'm aware of....


As much as I support your subscription idea (just actually read the thread tonight). I think this would be a great addition to ICMag's revenue stream. I think the best way to do it would be to have a "vote for this thread to be on the DVD link" for each thread. (possibly only supporters?) With a group of people to go over the suggested threads, trim the fat and give final approval (Mods, supporters, employees?).

This way you could automate a large percentage of the work involved. You let your users create and find the content, then all you have to worry about is thinning out irrelevant posts, and the DVD authoring/production/sales. Also, the final editing could be done remotely with no more security risks than any other post on the server/s.

Would this pay the entire costs of operating the server? Maybe, but I honestly doubt it. If anything it would drive more traffic to the site, but help defer some costs in the process. The main advantage to this plan however, is what if. What if ICMag were to somehow follow OG into the nether. Whether through legal situations changing, or any other issue. And I constantly see people say how much they wish they had a copy of this or that thread or picture from OG. This could ensure that the info stays around, while helping maintain the site and the information.

[Guest]

well? i seen lots of posts saying they were sending the money in, where is everybody now?
I dont want to be alone here, Im trying to decide if Im doing it or not


I got you if you need it GP ... Now about that T-Shirt Gypsy ... You know the ones GH had made up ... with my Name on it ... are there any left ?

you pickin up the tab?

[Guest]

personally ... i don't like the idea of paying money to enjoy this site ...most of us are already paying in the manner of our post's ... our grow thread contirbutions are free advertizing for the sites primary purpose ... if the site is running on a shoe=string budget and really is in danger of shutting down due to lack of funds... we would hear about that loud & clear

i do not know dutch,or gypsy, but if this endeavour wasn't solvent it would not exist..just MHO..please don't flame me ..peace
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[burning_red]

it is a voluntary thing so no big deal,if you feel it's worthwhile--do it.Personally I think it's the premier site on the planet to learn all about this hobby we so love and well worth it

sent my lifetime sub in couple weeks ago,I know they've been busy so I expect I'll get a little thank you at some stage and access to limited edition seeds which really interests me

[Guest]

it is a voluntary thing so no big deal,if you feel it's worthwhile--do it.Personally I think it's the premier site on the planet to learn all about this hobby we so love and well worth it

sent my lifetime sub in couple weeks ago,I know they've been busy so I expect I'll get a little thank you at some stage and access to limited edition seeds which really interests me

how much $ did you send in? you also can expect to get a banner proclaiming your special status

[kmk420kali]

Gypsy... I believe you are doing great about the Premium Membership... I Think you could get some very good closed session discussions with that...best value for sure--
But...there are a lot of the ppl that come here, that are serious about their hobby/addiction/verily truest love (lol)...but cannot afford that kind of $$...but would be more than willing to post up $5, 10, or 20 if you had a "Donate" button-- Maybe you could have a "Donors Lounge" or something...but I think you would find a lot of us would be willing to make a smaller donation, just because this site is worth it-- Maybe give special privileges for ppl who donate multiple times...like 350 in accumulated "Chump Change" would warrant a Lifetime Membership--
Just sayin'... :wave:

[OG bub]

if this question has been addressed, please just point me to the page..

What is the difference between an "ICmag donator" and an "ICmag Subscriber"

I understand the "Subscriber" is a Paying member, so Im more/less wondering What "Donator" status is..?

thanks folks, I look foreward to donating and subscribing.
Peace, bub.

[9Lives]

250$ is a pair of jeans for my girlfriend...and it does nothing for me!
250$ for a night out with friends ? No problem...and it does nothing for my health!
250$ for absolutley worthless crap i've bought...

seems like a no brainer..

..ICmag on the other hand is my daily ritual. Something i can't imagine being without now.

Going for lifetime as soon as i get some leftover $...in the middle of a few projects right now..

[burning_red]

I believe ICMAG Donator's provide seeds

[clowntown]

I support and contribute to ICMag through my posts and seed purchase at Seed*. I think that should to be enough for everyone. :2cents:

I know it's been mentioned that they're separate entities, but I think that's an invalid point. Why not just ask for a loan from SeedBay / SeedBoutique, right? :confused:

I hope I don't get banned for expressing my opinions. It's not that I'm ungrateful, but I think it's a bit outrageous. Again, just my :2cents: ...

[Red_Nine]

I do like Rez's idea of a dvd. That would be really nice to have, even if just for when my internet might be having a fit. There is so much info, it would be great for years to come no matter what happens to the site. I would pay for this for sure. Good idea.

[Doobieduck]

I support and contribute to ICMag through my posts and seed purchase at Seed*. I think that should to be enough for everyone. :2cents: ...
Interesting point Clowntown...but would you jump up and tell the preacher in your church you donate by just being there? Or the salvation army as you pass thier stand that you are interested in helping and ain't that enough? IC is asking for donations...not making or demanding you donate. DD

[clowntown]

I'm not telling the preacher that I'm contributing by just being there, I'm telling the preacher that I'm contributing by being there and contributing, doing staff & other volunteer work. I'm passing by the Salvation Army stand telling them that I'm interested in helping not by offering monetary items but instead offering my services and intellectual items.

In a church, are people who do not donate monetarily seen as any "less" of member than ones who do? How about the volunteers at Salvation Army who volunteer their time and effort, but do not donate objects? Should they be seen as any less than contributing and supporting members? If the answer is yes, then count me out for sure. :nono:

[Gypsy Nirvana]

well......everyone has an opinion and all are welcome......as I have said a few times before during this thread any contributions to the site monetarily are purely voluntary......it really does help to pay for the site to remain here......so that members can learn from what other members have written about and shown.....

....But...without funding this site would simply not exhist, where-ever it may come from.......as long as I can cover the costs and pay the monthly bill for it...... ICMAG.COM will remain here for all....

....The seed sites that advertise on ICM are all seperate entities/businesses.......and although we recieve a small ammount of revenue from these advertisers it only covers a small fraction of ICM's costs...


*I have been thinking about the ICM Donars concept......and perhaps that might well be a good idea.....I'll think on it a bit more....

[hermanshooltz]

Just curious - how much does ICMAG costs per month? (Or is it a "top secret" info?) :bow: :alien:

[OG bub]

Just curious - how much does ICMAG costs per month? (Or is it a "top secret" info?) :bow: :alien:

no idea, but this is what Gypsy posted on page 3 er 4 I think regaurding cost.

......When I first fired up ICMAG......the server costs were much smaller than they are today due to much lower usage and storage needs at the time......the figure RED145 is stating of this site costing no more than $1000 a year....is about what it now costs us to run this site including all the over-runs on bandwidth.....the technical/security help and taxes on 3 servers every 10 days........

....To expand, upgrade and develop the site into the future at the same time as paying for more bandwith, memory, software and technical help as the site continues to grow.... is going to cost much more......and I would like in the future to be able to actually pay the moderators and Admins something for all the work they do on the site......so far they have all done this for FREE.....



needless to say, I was inspired to subscribe for a lifetime :) I dont really care about any of the extra features I might have.. hell I spend most my time here managing the HTC forum.. Im just glad to be able to throw atleast a pinch back at the place that has done so much for so many of us.


If you dont feel like you owe this site a damn thing folks, dont put any change into it... But if you feel like you would like to help keep the site advancing, do what you think will help. I know what I have gained from this site, is unparalleld.
but to each their own.

Peace, bub.

[clowntown]

Wasn't the original intent to start a for-profit magazine (possibly to compete with the likes of High Times, Cannabis Culture, etc), which ended up failing?

For those of you with any amount of commercial interest, it's (expectedly) obvious that it's in your interest to support the site, even if financially. But what exactly is this "site"? When you say "this site", a majority of the entity you're referring to is the collection of information shared by the members here. Gypsy has created a nice place for that information exchange to take place; as you must know, not all canna sites are equal and simply having a forum to post in may not generate much truly useful and vast information exchange. But ultimately, "this site" (to me) truly means all the members here, not just Gypsy.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes this site is a cumulative effort of all members that post usefull and pertinent info on the plant that brings us all together.......and I thank you all for being active and worthy contributors.......but for icm to remain here bills have to be paid every month to ensure that we all can post....

The same goes for any future editions of the physical magazine......it all costs money you see......and since I am not particularly wealthy monetarily by any means and far from being a marketing genius I am finding it difficult to meet all of these costs without a little help from my friends......

What I could do is start an ICM fund that any member can freely 'donate' to if they so wish.......whether it be seeds that could be auctioned off or a small financial donation.......

Then that member can sport an ÍCM Donator tag below their nick........and we could open a Donators Forum.....just for them....

[BadTicket]

Wasn't the original intent to start a for-profit magazine (possibly to compete with the likes of High Times, Cannabis Culture, etc), which ended up failing?



Yea what happened to #3 of IC the actual mag?

I mean:

The 3rd edition of the International Cannagraphic Magazine is well under way.
***
The new issue is due to be published and available for the I. C. Magazine 420 Cup in Amsterdam during April.

April 420.. Kool.. But that was for last year?
Just asking. I like gypsy' weed stories from around the globe and from what i understand, he's been doing a lot of travelling lately, so what gives?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

well the 3rd edition was supposed to be edited by someone that we found out was not really up to the job last year.......and so far we have not been able to find anyone suitable.....hopefully soon we will...

[1G12]

Gypsy

You ever thought about writing a book about your life and travels? You seem to be a rather interesting character and a few embellishments are always helpful. Might be a fun way to help pump up the coffers and I’ll bet a lot of IC members would be all over your book looking for the inside scoop! :biglaugh:

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Gypsy

You ever thought about writing a book about your life and travels? You seem to be a rather interesting character and a few embellishments are always helpful. Might be a fun way to help pump up the coffers and I’ll bet a lot of IC members would be all over your book looking for the inside scoop! :biglaugh:

Yes.....as is 'appens I have been considering writing a book about my life and times/trials and tribulations...e.t.c....and if I ever get it finished I presume that many would consider that it might be a work of fiction due to the fact that I most certainly have had a very colourfull and un-usual exhistance......to say the least.....so far...

[1G12]

That first page has got to be the toughest to write...where do ya start...where do you begin? After that, I guess, you just let it flow out.
Good luck with that...I hope you do it and get it finished. :wave:

[Vash]

Yes this site is a cumulative effort of all members that post usefull and pertinent info on the plant that brings us all together.......and I thank you all for being active and worthy contributors.......but for icm to remain here bills have to be paid every month to ensure that we all can post....

The same goes for any future editions of the physical magazine......it all costs money you see......and since I am not particularly wealthy monetarily by any means and far from being a marketing genius I am finding it difficult to meet all of these costs without a little help from my friends......

What I could do is start an ICM fund that any member can freely 'donate' to if they so wish.......whether it be seeds that could be auctioned off or a small financial donation.......

Then that member can sport an ÍCM Donator tag below their nick........and we could open a Donators Forum.....just for them....


Wouldn't mind that at all. Is there more info on this? Is it going on now? Where can I get more info?

[BadTicket]

^ Vash. Read the 1st post of this topic ^

well the 3rd edition was supposed to be edited by someone that we found out was not really up to the job last year.......and so far we have not been able to find anyone suitable.....hopefully soon we will...

Roger that. Hope you get it done soon.

[Vash]

^ Vash. Read the 1st post of this topic ^



Roger that. Hope you get it done soon.


I'm addressing the term of "donating". Does the 1st post mention that?
Did I miss something!

[BadTicket]

Please send your subscription along with your ICMAG.COM user handle (so that we can activate your subscribers account) to :I.C.Magazine, Unit#2. 22 Eden Street, Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, KT1 1DN, U.K. (United Kingdom)......

*when sending cash or Money Order (only) for your subscription to ensure delivery please use an 'overnite' service.......if you use the regular post there is a very slim chance a letter may get lost......make your M.O. payable to 'ICM'....


My bad.
I'm sure they will take donations there too.. Might wanna PM Dutch or Gypsy just to be sure.

..I'll get me coat..

[Guest]

and I would like in the future to be able to actually pay the moderators and Admins something for all the work they do on the site......so far they have all done this for FREE.....



I know this isnt the correct thread to ask this, but since you mentioned it I thought why not. What exactly does a mod. or admin. do? Also how do you become one? Not asking because you hope to pay them in the future, just curious.

Once I get my debts a little more under control you can expect a MO from me for at least a year membership to start with! :joint: