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LORD BENIS
04-13-2007, 09:13 AM
Anyone ever try this?

I will share with you all my own personal tincture recipe that will ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY blow your mind (but be real careful with your doses!!)

What you will need:

1 bottle of Bacardi 151 (750ml)
9 grams of quality POTENT buds
1 coffee filter
1 strainer
1 larger jar (wide)
1 hotpot (plug in kettle)

First, a little background info:

I am using Bacardi 151 because it is the strongest alcohol I have access to (Everclear would obviously work as well, but I find the final product is not as enjoyable). THC will only bond to the alcohol (so if you use a 40% spirit the THC will only absort to 40% of the volume of the liquid)

Open the bottle of Bacardi (it comes with a fire proof filter on the mouth of the bottle, pop it off. Take your nugs, maul em up real good and dump em into the bottle slowly. Dont dump any of the booze out (to make room for the maul), 9 grams of maul should have no trouble fitting into that bottle!

Shake it up real good and leave it to soak for around 24hrs (you can certainly shake it up periodically during that time). The booze will turn a deep green color (like dark coolaid).

Next step the THC must be activated. First I say WARNING: ALCOHOL FUMES ARE INCREDIBLY FLAMABLE (ESPECIALLY AT HIGH TEMPS). DO NOT PERFORM THIS STEP ON A STOVETOP OR NEAR ANY HEATING ELEMENT OR OPEN FLAME. That being said if you follow these instructions you can do this safely with little difficulty.

What needs to be done is basically fully extract all the THC from the bud and activate it. This is done by heating the mixture.

You MUST do this step in a well vented room, not only because your entire house will smell like strong booze but is VERY DANGEROUS (fumes = boom!)
I do this in my bathroom: I have a small bathroom with a pretty good vent above the toilet. This works great!

Empty the whole mixture into your jar, which must be large enough to hold 750ml while leaving about 35% of the jar empty (I actually use a large Miracle Whip jar, fully cleaned with NO labels/glue). Now take your Hotpot, if you can put it under the vent (I close the toilet lid and just sit the hotpot right these... works great) Fill the hotpot (NOT THE MIXTURE) halfway with water and bring it to a boil. Take your jar (filled about 65% full of mixture) and place it into the boiling water (OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LID ON THE JAR!!). What you need to do is bring the mixture inside the jar to a boil.

I use a hotpot for a few reasons. There is NO open flame or exposed heating element at any time during the whole process. Also the water will not rise much higher than 100 degree c (you can control the temp of the mixture)
If you can try and keep the bottom of the jar from actually sitting on the heating element in the bottom of the jar (or mixture temp can rise much higher than the water) My jar wedges in the hotpot about 2 inches above the bottom (hotpot is oval, jar is round). Obviously do NOT 'cork' up the hotpot with the jar. You will probably need to add a little more water periodically to the boilling WATER as it evaporates.

It will take quite a long time for the mixture inside the jar to actually come to a boil (usually 10-15mins). As a rule of thumb I usually aim to boil off about 2 ounces of the mixture, so I usually add a couple ounces of water to the boiling mixture simply to compensate for the volume of the liquid.

Once you have boiled off about 2 ounces of the mixture you can shut off the hotpot and remove the jar sit it some place VERY GENTLY to cool down (DO NOT PLACE IN THE FRIDGE OR FREEZER as the jar can shatter). Place the lid on the jar loosely (do not screw.. literally sit the lid on the jar) Do this because the alcohol in the mixture continues to evaporate, all it does is allow most of the alcohol to condensate on the lid and drip back down into the mixture. Let it cool for about 45mins to an hour.

Now take your strainer and line it with the coffee filter, and pour the whole mixture slowly through the filter into another jar (make sure you get it all!)
Ring out all the juice from the boiled maul from the bottom of the filter and throw it away. Wash out the Bacardi bottle and pour the filtered mixture back into the bottle.

If the mixture was still relatively hot when you did this step, it will initially appear to be totally transparent after being filtered. If it was allowed to fully cool down it would look cloudy. Either way it makes no difference (so dont fret when it happens to you)

So technically you can consume now and get high, BUT if you truly want to see the full potential of your creation you will need to have a little more patience.

Take the bottle and stick it somewhere, where it will not be disturbed AT ALL for about 2 weeks. What you will notice, is that the mixture will be almost totally transparent and a fluffy looking accumulation at the bottom (the super-small particles of plant matter that have settled)

This stuff is way too small to be 'filtered' out, so what you do is VERY slowly & delicately drip the mixture into another container without disturbing the bottom too much. If you take your time (patience is key) you can effectively separate almost all the transparent mixture from the remaining mud.

Now we're talking.

A little REPORT on the final product:
EXTEMELY POTENT be careful (seriously)

My personal favorite method of consumption is to mix the dose into a can of Coke and sip it. "ATOMIC RUM & COKE"

TASTE:
The taste is absolutly fantastic. The aroma/taste of the fresh bud you use will remain intact and shine through deliciously into the flavour of the rum (not like the disgusting taste of marijuana butter etc...). However if you dont let it sit for that 2 weeks it will not taste nearly as good. Also those 'micro' particles sometimes stick in your throat which can be kind of uncomfortable. I made a batch with some Jack Herer and it tasted SOO G*D DAMN GOOD!!

DOSE:
Obviously varies from person to person. I used to smoke a few times a day, and I used to find 1.5 oz (1.5 shots) to be perfect: get me REALLY REALLY HIGH, but not uncomfortable. BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE DOSES cause if you take too much its not fun and it lasts a LONG time!!
The reason the doses can be tricky with most people is because of the delay between consumption & maximum effect.

EFFECT:
Very very strong. Long lasting. All encompassing. I dont know how else to describe it. After consumption maximum effect isnt reached for approx 2 hours after consumption. The high will last for a few hour after that! It a cool feeling, can be quite unnerving at times.
When you initially drink it you feel the alcohol first as you would with any other beverage. The alcohol effect comes & goes. After about 30 mins you can usually start to notice a little hint of something different! By an hour you should have a nice little buzz (if you are already stoned at the 1 hour mark, 'buckle your seatbelt' cause you gonna be really HIGH, maybe even a little too high at times... if that is possible!!) People go wrong because they drink it and after 1 hour dont think they took enough so they drink more then end up too high. Be patient & respect the power of the drink.


I prefer making this tinture as opposed to cooking with it for many reasons.
1) Your tincture will not go bad over time (the alcohol content is high). Also as it sits over time, it continues to purify until it is 100% pure & transparent.
Actually Ive found that the effect from aged tintures is significantly more intense (bordering on hallucination). Its actually quite incredible.

2) Also with a tinture you can accurantly measure your doses (and know for next time) something you cant really do with a batch of cookies with any degree of accuracy.

3) It just tastes better than cooking it. Granted theres a million great recipes for marijuana out there, but most are basically designed to mask the flavor of the butter. The tincture on the other hand is complimented by the flavor of the bud (harder to distiguish if taken straight as the alcohol content is so high). As I suggested before, try an Atomic Rum & Coke!! You wont regret it.



Anyways I hope you all enjoy this (Ive made it as detailed as I can!)
I guess my first real contribution to this site
Let me know what you guys think
Love & Respect

Quigo (The Original Mook)
:rasta:

Sorry to re-post but I just wanted some input.... I'm a noobie on this subject.
Props to Quigo for the thread.

Guest
04-13-2007, 09:21 AM
I use a similar method and Yes it works. I don't suggest bringing the alcohol mix to a boil though. Too much Heat degrades THC. Was reposting here in the growers forum necessary?

AccountWontWork
04-14-2007, 12:07 AM
Sounds nice... I prefer hash with an isopropyl alcohol extraction method though IMO.

A little dangerous to make but if done carefully and correctly you have nothing to worry about.

You can get the iso. alcohol from the grocery store. Just get the super concentrated bottle (around 90% iso. alcohol.) 100% isn't necessary, and it's a pain to get a hold of... You have to get it through a chemist shop.

Try out the recipe man, he explains it very well. Let us know how it works.

WeedWrapperMan, I reckon he posted it here becuase this forum gets the most traffic. Dude probably wants an answer to make it :D

Alpha
04-14-2007, 01:23 AM
I made it using that recipe and it was the biggest waste of weed ever... however I should also say that I wasnt able to boil the alchohol in another jar because the piece of shit crockpot would spill water everywhere, so I dumped the alchohol directly inside the cockpot and would bring it to a boil, then turn off the power, then repeat for 5-10 minutes... maybe thats what went wrong, but IMO with cannabutter its a sure thing

stihgnobevoli
04-14-2007, 03:11 AM
i dont understand why you would need to boil this mixture? Alcohol dissolves thc. So once you soak the weed in the alcohol and then strain that should be the end. You should be able to drink it and get high from it. I think this whole heating to activate thc shit is a myth. Ive eaten weed before, not even buds, i chew my stems when i roll blunts as a habit, but anyway i was breaking down a 1/2 ounce of weed once and as i was removing the buds from the stems i was chewing the stems as i usually do. by the time i was halfway done breaking down my weed i was pretty high. I didnt have to heat up anything. And i usually catch a mild buzz from chewing stems when im rolling a blunt anyway.

So from my own personal experience i would say you dont need to heat up weed to get the thc. And im sure other people who have had to eat some weed for whatever Law enforcer reasons will attest, they got high from it.

Ganico
04-14-2007, 10:47 PM
I heard that all you need to do is powder the weed, add it to the liquor and then shake for about 60 seconds. I was told this was enough to get most the actives out, and after that you just got more chlorophyll,etc

That's just what I heard though

Guest
04-14-2007, 11:13 PM
There's no need to "activate" when using alcohol.

The whole point of using alcohol is to bind the THC to alcohol so the THC hitches a ride into your blood when it is bonded to the alcohol.

"Activation" occurs when THC is decarboxylated (the molecule looses a COOH group) which allows the THC to be ingested into the blood without any helper such as a fat or an alcohol, etc.

rusty_shacklfor
04-15-2007, 01:36 AM
Sounds nice... I prefer hash with an isopropyl alcohol extraction method though IMO.

A little dangerous to make but if done carefully and correctly you have nothing to worry about.

You can get the iso. alcohol from the grocery store. Just get the super concentrated bottle (around 90% iso. alcohol.) 100% isn't necessary, and it's a pain to get a hold of... You have to get it through a chemist shop.

Try out the recipe man, he explains it very well. Let us know how it works.

WeedWrapperMan, I reckon he posted it here becuase this forum gets the most traffic. Dude probably wants an answer to make it :D

vons has 99% for $2

LORD BENIS
04-20-2007, 12:24 AM
Don't fret ya'll, I'm gonna make hashish too.
I'm also gonna make a small batch of tincture. Sounds like the consenses is to just soak with no boil? How much weed? Any other opinions?

Stonerguy
04-20-2007, 02:26 AM
I would personally use more weed to alcohol ratio than he did. My dose is around 1-1.25 g of equivilent bud, whether it be cooked, made into butter, ect ect. I personaly dont like to drink expecially clear liquirs, so I try to pack as much bud into a dose. Most of the time I usually use 75% or a whole shot mix it into something and nurse on it for half an hour or a little longer. The high sets in slower and dosn't make the come up to intense on higher doses.

I have always made it by putting grinded up bud in a jar. Not grinded to much, or to much chlorophyll can escape. If I wanted say 10 doses I would put up to 12 grams(this is middies never made with dank as I love the smoke of dank) grams in the jar to account for the thc not being extracted slowly pour in alchohol untill all the weed is soaked to whear if any more is added it will pool on the top. After that add about another 2 inches of alchohol, you need enought to be. Put the lid on shake it, not to hard though you dont want to many nasties in there. After about a minuite and a halk strain it using a cheese cloth, a fine pantie hose might work also, strain for atleast an hour. Squeze softly again not to push to much chlorophyll out. Depending on how muchh liquid you have left equal out the doses or let the alcohol reduce untill a tolerable level for you.

That is my method, don't know how efficient it is. It gets me high though.

Maj.PotHead
04-20-2007, 02:50 AM
Sounds nice... I prefer hash with an isopropyl alcohol extraction method though IMO.

A little dangerous to make but if done carefully and correctly you have nothing to worry about.

You can get the iso. alcohol from the grocery store. Just get the super concentrated bottle (around 90% iso. alcohol.) 100% isn't necessary, and it's a pain to get a hold of... You have to get it through a chemist shop.

Try out the recipe man, he explains it very well. Let us know how it works.

WeedWrapperMan, I reckon he posted it here becuase this forum gets the most traffic. Dude probably wants an answer to make it :D
isopropyl alcohol extraction method loved it untill a found a slik screen 125 holes per sqin in wood frame from local art supply store. now i stick tric covered trim in freezer and bounce shake and scope n drop onto the screen and wont go back to anything else lol.

bounty29
04-20-2007, 05:51 AM
I feel that the heat has an effect on the final product, and not necessarily a negative one. If you were to eat raw bud (yes, people do it, and yes, it works) you'd have to eat a lot more than you would if you had cooked it.

I'm no scientist but I've seen enough people say things don't work without even trying them to know that if you want to find something out, the surest way is to do it yourself.

I ran across this recipe recently, and I've been thinking about it. I definitely plan on doing it with my next batch, because the people I've talked to that have done it the way described have had great experiences.

selfprofider
04-20-2007, 07:12 AM
all the boiling of the liquer just evaporates some of the fluid making the m=tunure stronger by volume IMPO

bounty29
04-20-2007, 07:22 AM
Ok, then why is the effect different if I eat 1 gram of raw bud and 1 gram of cooked bud? Heat changes things, and if you don't heat it enough to destroy it, there are positive effects. Has anyone done this recipe and heated it, and done the exact same thing w/o the heat to see the difference? Everything I've read about this method indicates the heating up of the liquid is a crucial step.

selfprofider
04-20-2007, 07:37 AM
pure bud is not as digestable in the stomack as say combined with a digetable substrate alchol veg oil or my favorite olive oil

bounty29
04-20-2007, 09:34 AM
I'm not sure the point you're trying to get across, but if you eat raw buds you can get high, there are people that enjoy doing that. It's not my thing, but it works, you just have to eat a larger amount of it. The extraction process (Turning into butter, putting directly on food, between crackers and peanut butter) always involves heat, so why shouldn't it with the alcohol?

Let me try to give an example.

Eat 3.5g raw buds to get the same place that you got eating 1g buds cooked on a firecracker (ritz+peanut butter)

Drink 9g raw buds in liquor to get the same place as 3g buds heated in liquor. (Explains why there are such differences in the experiences of people that skipped the boiling phase)

Ya know?

watermelon
04-21-2007, 08:15 AM
id like to do this but i dont want to have to heat it. i dont reckon you need to as all your doing is extracting the thc from the weed in to the booze, whats the heat doing?

bounty29- i reckon its juts a tolerance/bud potancy issue. i havnt done this but i reckon id do a half oz just to make sure its damn strong. i dont think it being too strong is an issue as i would always drink it with a mixer and i can just adjust the ratio.

bounty29
04-21-2007, 08:22 AM
Well we won't know until somebody does a side by side test. I wouldn't mind but I'm out of bud for a few months.

LORD BENIS
05-04-2007, 05:45 AM
Guess I'll have to be my own guinea pig.....

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I made this a few days ago. About 3/4 a bottle of %95 alcohol and 9 grams dry, popcorn nugs broken up. I'm gonna let sit for a few more days, strain and take a sample shot, heat, another sample shot, then I'm gonna let sit until clear and drink the rest. I'll try and give reports along the way.

Guest
05-04-2007, 06:45 AM
Cannamist information:

VICS Cannamist/Tincture Recipe,
and Instructions on How to Convert THCA Into THC

A tincture is an alcohol-base solution of a non-volatile medicine (in this case cannabis). In this case alcohol is not only the solvent used to separate cannabinoids from the plant matter, it is what makes this type of application (particularly in fine-mist form) more bio-available and therefore effective.

In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxilation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak.

Below are detailed instructions based on a unique VICS research project that will allow you to convert the THCA from your bud or high quality leaf material into more usable THC with very little loss through vaporization.

Dry heat conversion of THCA into THC:

Preheat oven to 325°f exactly (purchase an oven thermometer if you're not sure).

Take cannabis leaf or bud and spread in a thin, 1 inch layer on a clean cookie sheet.

Put in the oven for 5 minutes exactly, remove, and transfer to glass or ceramic container to cool.

Tincture/Cannamist Recipe:

Pack a mason jar loosely but completely with converted cannabis product; add a few sprigs of fresh organic mint.

Add alcohol (50% is preferred, but 40% vodka works just fine) until the jar is full.

Seal, shake and put in a dark, cool place for 2 weeks.

After 2 weeks, strain mixture through fine mesh sieve or cheesecloth. Add 2-4 tablespoons of organic honey (to taste, but without over-sweetening the mixture).

Pour into bottles fitted with fine mist spray tops.

Dosage:

Initial Dosage: Spray two times on the inside of the cheek, and wait 30 seconds before swallowing. Wait ten minutes and if desired effect has not been reached, repeat on the opposite cheek. Wait ten minutes, and repeat until desired effect is achieved. Dosage will vary between users, but should remain fairly constant once established.

Effect will last for between 1-2 hours. Repeat use as needed.

If you feel dizzy or disoriented, immediately discontinue use. Do not operate heavy machinery or drive during use of this product.

GDB
05-06-2007, 11:30 AM
adverse- that sounds killer bro!