m or f ?

[smokeymacpot]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1638/mfrf8.jpg

[Core]

i think M.... :chin:


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12847male-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12847male.jpg)

[Guest]

I dont see any balls so hopefully its a female. You should be able to definatively tell within the next week. Peace. :joint:

[Guest]

male

[Guest]

male i say as well.

[h g]

i think its a little too early to determine sex yet...give it a little while longer

this is the start of female preflowers...pistil just starting to come out

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355HPIM05381.JPG

:wave:

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I'll side with h g, it will show soon though. His picture is a perfect example of early female preflower - let me see If I can throw a circle aroud the flower so you can see exactly what we do.

brb

peers not at the moment,,,


anyway it's that little protruberance thingy (it sticks out some) that is about 1/3 of the way up and just left of center

One to beam up.

[h g]

Hi Capt Kirk....please excuse my lazyness not marking it out properly :bat:

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355preflower.JPG

[CaptJamesTKirk]

didn't mean to be critical in any way h_g, with that picture - good nuf for me, but I've seen a few preflowers.

I think I remember woundering what people were seeing when I first started too.


oh, btw,,, ya got it right!!!
A+

carry on
Kirk out.

[viewsonic123]

im thinking male ijust got rid of 2 that looked just like that from some bag seeds i found i was pretty sure they were male as they looked so much differnt than the other plants in the garden all being clones

[Truth]

MALE. End of Story.

Why? even preflower shapes can tell you sex without hairs. Female: small, round, fatter on bottom, narrow on top, comes to a cone/point. However, those are obviously male, banana shaped, no hair yet, and quite tall. Most of the time, the hair is protruding from a female when the preflower is less than 1/10th that size. even half of that size.

[Mr. Smoke]

MALE no doubt.

[Truth]

Hi Capt Kirk....please excuse my lazyness not marking it out properly :bat:

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355preflower.JPG

have you brought this plant to flower? or is this something that is still sexing?

That definitely looks male and not female, unless the plant was abused in many ways.

[h g]

LOL...theres a fcukin pistil comming out of it U know a plants a male when u see balls

its female. END OF STORY PMSL

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355HPIM0402-med.JPG

Old School Thai Haze x Skunk #1

[cyburnt]

:yoinks:

[Guest]

Wait a week and youll be able to tell. Dont give up on it yet.
I dont know how anyone can say its definately a male when (from the pics) it hasnt shown yet. smokey... let us know what it turns out to be. :D

[h g]

smokeymcpots plant might be a male.....it might be female...but untill u see balls...and lots of them....dont bin it

[Maj.PotHead]

have you brought this plant to flower? or is this something that is still sexing?

That definitely looks male and not female, unless the plant was abused in many ways.
srry but my schroom's preflowers showed that shape until hairs protruded had me confused when i 1st seen mine. no fear though give it another wk heck honestly untill the male starts to grow his stick covered in balls thats when you really should worry about males. 1 or 2 little male preflowers arent gonna do nothing. heck some strains wont show sex untill flowering has been induced sativa's mainly alot of strains show preflowers from 3-6 wks from sprout and between the 5th and 9th node's.

few yrs ago i took a male from the closet placed him outside and watched him do his thing, from the onset of male preflowers in 1 wk he had smaller sticks formed with groups of balls forming. a wk later the sticks grew longer and the groups of balls grew in number and size with some starting to open. after the balls start to open you have a very very few days untill he starts popn pollen :joint:

[h g]

Male pre flowers from OGs FAQs

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355male-pre456-med.jpg

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/12355Male00001-med.jpg

[Truth]

no I can't look, die male!

[ItsGrowTime]

Ill chime in too since Ive had a bunch of sexing practice lately :)

That preflower looks male but as I also learned, WAIT and make sure. I nearly killed my biggest plant thinking it was male. It wasn't. Once you see two popping up right next to each other, thats your clue that its a male.

[Guest]

my friend can spot male and female from plants even before they actually show signs. He tells by behavior and he says he is usually about 90% accurate. He is also old as dirt and has grown hundreds of strains for longer than I have been alive (pretty long).

I wish I could do something like that...

Could be a female but doubtful... I am pretty sure its a male, but I would never say not to let it go to know for sure. Only when your confident its a male should you ditch it.

[cyburnt]

BALLS from there :badday:

[smokeymacpot]

im not seeing any hairs :( and you can just about make out more things grouping next to it.

starting more seeds now :\

[Guest]

my sure fire method of sexing works quite well.
if the calyx doesn't come to a tip at the end, its most def. a male
male preflowers tend to have more than 1 tip.
agree or disagree w/ me, ive had sucess with this for a while.

[Verite]

Imo my money is on male. Most of the strains Ive seen will be poking a hair or two when the preflower gets that large.

[Truth]

If he has been flowering for 2 weeks+, and no hairs, It is definitely a male.

[h g]

really? i could say 2 weeks + and no balls = a female....give it time

[smokeymacpot]

its been under a week, but you can make out a group of them. i'll just collect some pollen from them and hope that my next ones are females.

[Core]

lol i win...i woz first ...hehehehehe ...j/k

[Truth]

its been under a week, but you can make out a group of them. i'll just collect some pollen from them and hope that my next ones are females.

Yes, males show earlier on than females, some females will show this early but very few, if you don't see any hairs, and groups, it is male. A female only begins with one calyx when sex shows, but they have hairs protruding..they do not wait into they grow into clusters then show their hairs. better luck next time. All you really need is one good female to start off.

[Truth]

a female....give it time

Have you ever taken a plant to full flower and harvest before? I don't believe so. It is ok to be a newbie. But alot of us growers out there don't just clone, we seed our plants, cross them, so we deal with males and females all the time, every plant is taken care of, and given individual attention. When you've flowered so many times, and gotten used to a strain.. you learn many of the subtle differences(in sexing also). When a plant is at under a week into flowering, and already showing sex, it is more than likely a male. Males do this so they can get an early start making pollen, so by the time they are ready, the females will be ready.

The males don't want to pollinate too early, as there won't be many calyx's to make seeds, and too late, the seeds won't be protected fully by the buds, since they will be seeded only on the outer areas (or miss the chance to pollinate females entirely). Minimum avg time for a female to begin showing is 10 days into flowering, some have shown earlier, but for the most part, this is unrealistic. But I would rather force flower and wait, rather than let a plant veg long enough to show pre-flowers naturally, since this could be a gross waste of time and space.


I see you have a strain going, and I am assuming it is your first. Good luck with it.

[Guest]

lol i win...i woz first ...hehehehehe ...j/k


I claim second prize :wave:

[smokeymacpot]

I claim second prize :wave:


you both win a male plant :pointlaug

[h g]

well i suppose u both had a 50% chance of getting it right

[h g]

Have you ever taken a plant to full flower and harvest before? I don't believe so. It is ok to be a newbie. But alot of us growers out there don't just clone, we seed our plants, cross them, so we deal with males and females all the time, every plant is taken care of, and given individual attention. When you've flowered so many times, and gotten used to a strain.. you learn many of the subtle differences(in sexing also). When a plant is at under a week into flowering, and already showing sex, it is more than likely a male. Males do this so they can get an early start making pollen, so by the time they are ready, the females will be ready.

The males don't want to pollinate too early, as there won't be many calyx's to make seeds, and too late, the seeds won't be protected fully by the buds, since they will be seeded only on the outer areas (or miss the chance to pollinate females entirely). Minimum avg time for a female to begin showing is 10 days into flowering, some have shown earlier, but for the most part, this is unrealistic. But I would rather force flower and wait, rather than let a plant veg long enough to show pre-flowers naturally, since this could be a gross waste of time and space.


I see you have a strain going, and I am assuming it is your first. Good luck with it.

:jerkit:

LOL @ U

in fact

PMSL @ U

when u have been a member here more than a couple of weeks i'll take ur advice into consideration

u dont even know what a female preflower looks like

many a newbie has thrown a female out thinking its a male.....that includes u....ur growing top 44 under a 400w HPS....lmao @ u

i agree with OG Bub..you're the truth that gave everyone shit on HG

[Truth]

:jerkit:

LOL @ U

in fact

PMSL @ U

when u have been a member here more than a couple of weeks i'll take ur advice into consideration

''u dont even know what a female preflower looks like

many a newbie has thrown a female out thinking its a male.....that includes u....ur growing top 44 under a 400w HPS....lmao @ u

i agree with OG Bub..you're the truth that gave everyone shit on HG

Don't be angry and make things up because you are incorrect :)

Whats wrong with top 44 (you saying nirvana sucks?)? I've got some great white shark clones going also...got a problem with that strain too?


"when u have been a member here more than a couple of weeks i'll take ur advice into consideration"

I posted nearly as much in less than one month, that you took 6 months to post. I guess there is always one of you angry types. My amount of posts reflects my knowledge? doubtful. Not everyone that is new to a forum is new to growing. I doubt you would take my advice into consideration no matter how many years I've been here, or thousand of posts I may have, because you are a shrewd person, that fires up with anger at the first site of someone saying something opposite of you. The point is, it doesn't matter who has the right answer to you, only if you can convince everyone that your answer is the right one, no matter how wrong.


''u dont even know what a female preflower looks like''

really? I thought I did when You incorrectly identified the sex of the plants in this thread.

"many a newbie has thrown a female out thinking its a male.....that includes u"

how does this include me? I have never thrown out a plant that wasn't male, unless it just wasn't a hardy female. I would really love for you to produce how you came to that conclusion. Unlike me, you are jumping the gun. Don't get offended, learn to take suggestions and blunt criticism, without resorting to an attack on another person. You might be surprised how far it gets you.

400w HPS....hahaha, shows how much you know :)

You agree with OG Bub huh? I don't think OG Bub was saying that I was the same person, just that IF I was, that I am not welcome, of which I am not. In fact, there is nothing to agree with, since he did not know IF I was or NOT.
Do not try to place all of this other persons misdeed onto me, take them out onto a punching bag or your mother, but not me kid.

[h g]

yeah alright ya weirdo LOL

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46080

[Truth]

and the purpose of that is?

[h g]

ur growing top 44 under a 400w HPS...newbies use 400w's...have fun trollin these boards truth..i aint wasting no more time with you

top 44...pmsl...get some decent genetics in ur grow room :pointlaug

[Truth]

ur growing top 44 under a 400w HPS...newbies use 400w's...have fun trollin these boards truth..i aint wasting no more time with you

LMAO... what makes you believe I am using a 400w HPS? I believe you are the one who is trolling, since you seem to want to pick fights with other users, and produce untrue things as facts. It is sad how sorely mistaken you are, I am watching you lower yourself, and that is sad too. And if you think only newbies use 400w lights, you better search the forum and check out some of the amazing bud grown under 400w. Again, I am not using a 400w HPS, I guess you probably still won't get it even though It is obvious.

I invite you to go here: http://gallery.cannabis-seeds.cc/thumbnails.php?album=40

it is a gallery of top44 plants. Do you even know what strains make up top 44?

Here is some top44 day 55, posted on here, icmag..

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/uploads/16634/7428Top_44-day_55.jpg

looks yummy to me.

and a final note, the size of your garden, does not dictate your experience. There are many experienced growers like myself that do not smoke a whole lot, do not have the space, lower electric bills, a variety of reasons...not every experienced grower is a commercial grower.

[Core]

cmon guys give it a rest......:jerkit:
he knows its a male ....stay on topic .... :joint:

[WAMEN]

looks like an M from the first pics ..sorry

EDIT: a bit too late eh :joint:

[Guest]

newbies use 400w's

Actually....

People who don't think this plant is worth the risk of being incarcerated for the better half of their life choose the smaller HPS's. That is only one obvious reasons there are countless others.

Also wattage is only a small part in the success of a grower. As I have said before methods and styles, strain familiarization backed with years of supporting experience gives you yield and professionalism; not strictly (or at all for that matter) the wattage.

I never thought wattage proved or displayed the ability a skills/experience as a true MJ grower. Wattage to me proves nothing but the risks you are willing to take. If time is taken to master smaller wattages, you can pull unbelievable amounts with the right strain and experience.


I realize you might have been a bit steamed and only meant to bash whoever, but labeling growers with less than a couple decades of prison worth of pot growing in your house is a little over the top.

[smokeymacpot]

i use a 70w hps :D it was cheap when i got it years ago (proper growlights were £100's).
and from what you can see from the photo i took shows the plant is very healthly, no stretching and close nodes.

i wont be getting a bigger hps either... costs too much to run!!

[h g]

I realize you might have been a bit steamed and only meant to bash whoever.

ur right the troll p1ssed me off

[Truth]

ur right the troll p1ssed me off

funny how he says the troll pissed him off....but doesn't apologize or agree that he was wrong in saying what he said... which wouldn't be the first time he was wrong.
:pimp3:

[h g]

lol...u havnt got a clue.... u said my plants looked stretchy when there hazes....and u didnt even know what a female pre flower looks like

i'll stop feeding the troll now

LOL @ U ya sad weirdo

thanks for all the K+ ppl

[Truth]

i use a 70w hps :D it was cheap when i got it years ago (proper growlights were £100's).
and from what you can see from the photo i took shows the plant is very healthly, no stretching and close nodes.

i wont be getting a bigger hps either... costs too much to run!!

nah, it shouldn't cost too much to run, a 70w HPS is like running one regular household 100w, or less than two 50w bulbs. not much power required. however, a 400w is like running four 100w bulbs, or eight 50w bulbs.. a little more...but alot of average households have this many lights going. Like your 70w HPS right now if run 24/7...would be like you leaving your porch light on all month...it would only add maybe 10$ max a month...and that is pushing it.

I did an electricity calculator from google, however it is for wisconsin rates, but it is close enough...

70w run 24/7 = $5.17 monthly / $61.99 yearly
400w run 24/7 = $29.52 monthly / $354.19 yearly
1000w run 24/7 = $73.79 monthly / $885.46 yearly

70w run 18/6 = $3.88 monthly / $46.49 yearly
400w run 18/6 = $22.14 monthly / $265.64 yearly
1000w run 18/6 = $55.35 monthly / $664.10 yearly

now you won't be running 24/0 or 18/6 forever... you will eventually flower...

70w run 12/12 = $2.59 monthly / $31.00 yearly
400w run 12/12 = $14.76 monthly / $177.10 yearly
1000w run 12/12 = $36.90 monthly / $442.73 yearly

not too bad considering all of the yummy buds you can harvest in a years time, this however is for only the cost for one light (again, in wisconsin..but it shouldn't be too different from your rates..maybe even higher) now you can imagine multiple lights, and the compounded costs...it adds up, but again..consider the harvests.

[Truth]

lol...u havnt got a clue.... u said my plants looked stretchy when there hazes....and u didnt even know what a female pre flower looks like

i'll stop feeding the troll now

LOL @ U ya sad weirdo

thanks for all the K+ ppl

1. don't confuse genetics with excessive stretch
2. why are you going on with this pre flower thing? where have I ever misjudged a plants sex? just because you say something, does not make it true...I guess you think if you say it, everyone will take it as fact...have fun with that. I am being nice towards you... if you can't take advice or criticism, I highly suggest that a cannabis internet forum is not for you. This is not a contest.

3. You act like I am saying these things to just point out possible flaws/problems to belittle you...but the point in pointing them out is so you can recognize them, and do something about it. Unless, however, you don't care.

4. :joint:

[smokeymacpot]

nah, it shouldn't cost too much to run, a 70w HPS is like running one regular household 100w, or less than two 50w bulbs. not much power required. however, a 400w is like running four 100w bulbs, or eight 50w bulbs.. a little more...but alot of average households have this many lights going. Like your 70w HPS right now if run 24/7...would be like you leaving your porch light on all month...it would only add maybe 10$ max a month...and that is pushing it.

I did an electricity calculator from google, however it is for wisconsin rates, but it is close enough...

70w run 24/7 = $5.17 monthly / $61.99 yearly
400w run 24/7 = $29.52 monthly / $354.19 yearly
1000w run 24/7 = $73.79 monthly / $885.46 yearly

70w run 18/6 = $3.88 monthly / $46.49 yearly
400w run 18/6 = $22.14 monthly / $265.64 yearly
1000w run 18/6 = $55.35 monthly / $664.10 yearly

now you won't be running 24/0 or 18/6 forever... you will eventually flower...

70w run 12/12 = $2.59 monthly / $31.00 yearly
400w run 12/12 = $14.76 monthly / $177.10 yearly
1000w run 12/12 = $36.90 monthly / $442.73 yearly

not too bad considering all of the yummy buds you can harvest in a years time, this however is for only the cost for one light (again, in wisconsin..but it shouldn't be too different from your rates..maybe even higher) now you can imagine multiple lights, and the compounded costs...it adds up, but again..consider the harvests.


i worked it out at about £2.50 per month on 12/12

[Guest]

there is no way you could tell from thoes pics... it god damn might be a girl!!! its definetly NOT developed enough yet.. any new pics??

[Guest]

I thought a male had been confirmed, am I mistaken?

[smokeymacpot]

there is no way you could tell from thoes pics... it god damn might be a girl!!! its definetly NOT developed enough yet.. any new pics??

it was indeed a very early pic at 5 days in flower and it was most definately a male

[SpacedCWBY]

nice macro up top there

[smokeymacpot]

nice macro up top there

thnx, it was my first go using the macro function, you cant even see if its in focus on the viewfinder tho, so out of 4 photos that one came out the clearest and my god can it zoom in well, i was impressed :D

[killa-bud]

ok,i might be dumb when it comes to pre-flowers,actully i'm fairly sure i am,but i have not seen any pre flowers on any of my plants ever,apprantly i'm not lookin right,but i know what to look for,and i still never see anything that even remotely looks like anything i've seen online

[invision]

if 400watts is a newbie grow i cant imagine what you think of me using a pair of 150's, in fact i can snag over a 1/4 pound with my 150's i guess i must just suck.

oh and about that plant, i dont see sex yet but chances are if males didnt show up the first week or 2 its a good chance its will be female but i use cheap bulbs so i wouldnt know.

these are 150's in flower, i can only imagine what i could do with a 400

and a pic of a female......
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1260-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1260.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1259-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1259.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1261-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/17502DSCF1261.JPG)

[NorCal]

those plants arent rotbouund hg? just wondering as the plants I got going (OG and urkle) were all rootbound in 5 " containers within about 2 weeks at about 8-10" those things look huge despite the haze background, just wondering, thanx