THE WET CU**

[thescissors]

The Wet Cure: Rather than drying for a week, then curing in jars for six more weeks or more, The Wet Cure is where you drop your freshly-cut buds into ice cold water, say a large party thermos thing, for a week to ten days, changing the water once per day.

The water breaks down the chlorophyl and REMOVES excess nutrients and other minerals, as well as much of the soft plant tissue, LEAVING BEHIND the resiny glands of THC we all enjoy and medicate with. The daily change water will immediately STINK of green nastiness, and you find yourself HAPPY to be pouring that nasty nasty nasty GREEN STUFF down the drain!

The advantages:

1. stealth... ice cold underwater buds dont stink much

2. speed... the buds dry in a day or two once they come out of the water.

3. performance... achieves the same or better breakdown of the chlorophyl and trace nutes that normally occurs as a biological process as microbes consume and metabolize that GREEN and the excess nutes. you can also FEED THE LIVING SHIT out of your plants, RIGHT UP to the day of the cut! the water cure RINSES the buds CLEAN of all that nasty-to-smoke STUFF.

4. potency... because you lose some weight in the water cure (see below), a given amount of material after the water cure will be more "concentrated" than jar-cured bud. sort of the same effect that vaping has over smoking...


The disadvantages:

1. aesthetics... water cured bud LOOKS a little "different" than jar-cured bud. thats because the chlorophyl is gone, and the CELLULAR plant matter (the stuff they make Hemp Paper with) is broken down and rinsed away. LOOK at the wet cure rinse water, and see what you are missing....

2. weight... like i said, you lose some TISSUE. the RESIN GLANDS stick to the outside shell of the flowers themselves, so you dont lose that part of it. but, the buds shrivel up a little bit, and that goes to the aesthetics issue again... bag appeal goes down due to the buds appearance.

3. im sure some of the resin glands do come off, but I have acutally not seen any evidence of this. the buds GLISTEN with the icy water on them, and when you take them out after day seven (or ten or whatever), the buds underneath have shrivelled up a bit and the glands are now more DENSELY packed.

all those "disadvantages" are just byproducts of the superior performance of the water cure, imo... what do you think?

[tuco]

hi scissors.

i have never heard of this. i have a harvest coming up so i will try this with a sample and see if i like it...well anything which can help break down the chloropyll after harvest cant be too bad.

i assume with all the "crap" removed from the buds that it would also be a healthier smoke with fewer carcinogens? :confused:

thanks for this tip scissors :joint:

[kurlyq2g]

do both, and judge for yourself... i like to look at my bud alot, so i like air cure..

[thescissors]

hi scissors.

i have never heard of this. i have a harvest coming up so i will try this with a sample and see if i like it...well anything which can help break down the chloropyll after harvest cant be too bad.

i assume with all the "crap" removed from the buds that it would also be a healthier smoke with fewer carcinogens? :confused:

thanks for this tip scissors :joint:


yah, i suppose so! you're smoking less material, but the same amount of medicine-laden resin. the plant tissue has ZERO value to its consumer, and LESS than zero if yer having to shmoke it! ;)

I am going to try it again this time, mostly for stealth. i might normal-cure a couple a budz as a comparison. the last time i did it, it was mostly to try to fix a nasty overfert problem that basically blew out my yeild (in a BAD way :badday: :badday: :badday: ). shame too cause i had MANY 5-gal soil buckets with massive LST bushes... big damn shame... and you wonder why i call myself thescissors..

:bat:

[inflorescence]

the plant tissue has ZERO value to its consumer, and LESS than zero if yer having to shmoke it! ;)


If the plant tissue has zero value than why even water cure at all, why not just do basically the same thing, an ice water extraction, but with bubble bags to insure that only the "valuable" part is left to smoke.

The reason I don't think people just cure with the method I just posted is because the plant matter does have some value, and that value is the cbd's and cbn's. The bubble bags only let through the trichome heads which have mostly all thc whereas an air dry retains the cbd' and cbn's in the rest of the plant. I would think the cbn's and cbd's are lipid soluable like thc so the water cure method you propose should retain them in the leaf so the leaf would still have that value.

[4iiii'z]

losing water soluble terepenes is just too much
I like my weed stinky

[thescissors]

If the plant tissue has zero value than why even water cure at all, why not just do basically the same thing, an ice water extraction, but with bubble bags to insure that only the "valuable" part is left to smoke.

The reason I don't think people just cure with the method I just posted is because the plant matter does have some value, and that value is the cbd's and cbn's. The bubble bags only let through the trichome heads which have mostly all thc whereas an air dry retains the cbd' and cbn's in the rest of the plant. I would think the cbn's and cbd's are lipid soluable like thc so the water cure method you propose should retain them in the leaf so the leaf would still have that value.


the CBDs and CBNs are in the *resin*, not the cellulose plant matter inside the plant "shell", which is what i am talking about. the trichromes are mostly *not* THC, and you can prove this by smoking some *heavily* crystalized bud that has crappy thc levels and WONT get you very high!! :wave: HEMP has resin glands, which are there to protect the seeds until they are ready...

what do you think it means that a given strain has 12% THC, or 24% THC, or 5% THC... thats 5% of the RESIN, 12% of the RESIN, or 24% of the RESIN is THC... the rest are the oils and other cannabinnoids... there are thousands of them, and they *ALL* live in the resin!! :) when they do the measurements, its with the keif, not the entire bud! :yoinks: :wave: :joint:


EDIT: and its not supposed to replace all other methods... one reason why we dont all solely make keif and vape it is, different strokes for different folks, plus, you cant roll a decent joint with keif! :)

[thescissors]

hmmm even if the resins are inside the leaves themselves (something tells me i was wrong about that, the RESINS stick to the plant walls, i presume that includes on the inside of the plant walls as well. the cold water assures that part of it! :)

[Guest]

Coldwater makes the trichs brittle

[clowntown]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned losing taste and smell yet in the "disadvantages" column...

[Endo]

ive always wanted to try this... my next harvest i think i will have to try some. i hear it takes alot of the flavor away though... i surely wouldnt do this with a fruity strain.

[Guest]

Water cured bud really is something I liked to smoke. Packs a punch without all the harshness. works in edibles well too.
90g of water cured white russian. clean white ash in history now. have to do some again soon
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/9090waterbags.jpg

[dude06version]

yea pls dont use ice cold water .. you want to aim for room temperature.. the colder the water the more trichs you lose(changing water etc)..itll knock em right off.

[viewsonic123]

twenty4/7 is all that bud water cured?

[Guest]

I personally like the air-dried, mason jar sealed buds better. Water curing makes the bud lose flavor and color and I dont really enjoy smoking it. I will say that it is the quickest method for getting a final product but not the best IMHO.

[watermelon]

ive always thought it would be a great idea to water cure bud to remove the smell for the purposes of stealth smoking.

if i had a load of bud spare id do it, and roll them with those fake cigarette skins and smoke them when im in public.

i dont know that id bother water curing otherwise.

[Grat3fulh3ad]

When I make bubble hash, I put my trim into Icewater, and agitate very gently for 30 or 40 seconds, let it sit for 15 minutes, agitate gently for another 30 or 40 seconds. That is the first run, which I keep for personal smoking...
Very white, all gland heads, and quite a lot of them...
I can't see putting buds in ice cold water, just to cure them...
run the ice cold water through some bubblebags, and see how much you're loosing...

[thescissors]

HEH! I found a previous thread on this...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=22648&page=1&pp=15


;)

[Guest]

twenty4/7 is all that bud water cured?

yep all water cured mate

this is the thread u want
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7482

[bounty29]

i'll definitely be water curing some of my harvest, but not all. to all the people who say it sucks without ever trying it... try it, then you can give your opinion. I'm not saying it's great, but most of the people that have done it have had good things to say. Obviously if you're going for looks, taste and smell then this isn't your best choice, but for potency per gram, purity, and stealthiness, this would be the best choice.

[clowntown]

i'll definitely be water curing some of my harvest, but not all. to all the people who say it sucks without ever trying it... try it, then you can give your opinion. I'm not saying it's great, but most of the people that have done it have had good things to say. Obviously if you're going for looks, taste and smell then this isn't your best choice, but for potency per gram, purity, and stealthiness, this would be the best choice.

Wouldn't other forms of concentrates (oil, hash, ...) be a better choice for all of the above (potency per gram, purity and stealthiness)?

[thescissors]

Wouldn't other forms of concentrates (oil, hash, ...) be a better choice for all of the above (potency per gram, purity and stealthiness)?


most definitely, ... but you cant roll hash into a joint... ;)

[imnotcrazy]

^^^^^Last 2 posts are both very good points I was thinking about. But watercuring does kill the buds flavor no? And some look at that as a negative, the smell too but I'd bet if the bud retained flavor and only lost some smell many more would use this method

[thescissors]

^^^^^Last 2 posts are both very good points I was thinking about. But watercuring does kill the buds flavor no? And some look at that as a negative, the smell too but I'd bet if the bud retained flavor and only lost some smell many more would use this method


all you can do is try it for yourself. next harvest, take one of your buds and put it in a bucket or something... in eight days (change that water daily!) when it is ready to schmoke (and the rest of your buds are still waiting to dry for the jars),,, try it out and see for yourself! :)

[Harry Gypsna]

ive tried it, definately prefer jars.....the water cure ruined flavour imo...

[thescissors]

ive tried it, definately prefer jars.....the water cure ruined flavour imo...


to each, his own. :)

ima do it this round for the sake of SPEEED, mostly... :) :wave:

[bounty29]

Another point, which to me is a plus, it will remove the flavor of the bud if you use it to cook, so that the food tastes perfectly normal. I've seen several people mention this, but I haven't been able to yet. I do plan to do a batch of something, and I might be able to do a side by side test using watercured and aircured. I think I'll be able to test those things out.

[clowntown]

Concentrates (as in, hash and hash oil) are great for cooking.

[Guest]

How is water curing quicker? At room temperature, my buds never take more than 5 days to dry when hung, then either into a paper bag for a day or two or into jars and burp the jar every day. How is that slower?

Lots of disadvantages to water curing, it reduces the potency as you very definitely do lose resin glands with the water and it ruins the taste and aroma of the buds.

Also, what do you mean you can't make a joint with hashish? Of course you can!

[clowntown]

Also, what do you mean you can't make a joint with hashish? Of course you can!

I've seen pictures, and heard, of joints rolled out of hash. Can't quite picture how it would work, though...

[bounty29]

The trichs won't just fall off in the water. If you use cold water, which I think someone advised, it would make it more brittle and more likely to happen. That's why you use room temperature (74~ degress f) water and just gently rotate the container upside down to drain, and then back up to fill. ALl other forms of concentrate (which I don't consider to be the same category) are done solely to get a small amoutn ultra-pure substance.

This isn't a purifying effect so much as a true flushing of the bud. It gets rid of all the chemicals, chlorophyll, and also I believe the terpenoids (flavor+odor) as well, but I'm not sure. It would make sense of the losing taste/smell. Since all of these things are being removed, it makes a much less harsh smoke.

With this end product it's got a weight and structure very close to the original product, but is stealthy, and can go from growing in the ground to your bowl in a week and a half, in it's optimum condition. To do that with air cured bud, you have to chop, dry for 5-7 (I believe it's around there) days, and then cure for weeks or months in jars. I'd say it's also the easiest thing you can do to your bud to purify/refine it. Hash, oil, etc. are all a little more intricate. Specific things need to be bought, they have to be done in certian conditions. With this it's a jar and some water, that's it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm planning on doing an air cure as well. I'll be smoking the water cured first though, and I have no doubts that I will enjoy it very much.

[green_grow]

if my harvest is what i am hoping it to be, i will have enough to spare to try this . sweet .

[thescissors]

How is water curing quicker? At room temperature, my buds never take more than 5 days to dry when hung, then either into a paper bag for a day or two or into jars and burp the jar every day. How is that slower?

Lots of disadvantages to water curing, it reduces the potency as you very definitely do lose resin glands with the water and it ruins the taste and aroma of the buds.

Also, what do you mean you can't make a joint with hashish? Of course you can!


five days of drying and SIX WEEKS of curing in jars!! thats how water is faster ;)

seven day water cure and one or two days drying.

id like to smoke a PURE HASHISH joint.. id need bigger lungs tho .. ;)

[thescissors]

The trichs won't just fall off in the water. If you use cold water, which I think someone advised, it would make it more brittle and more likely to happen. That's why you use room temperature (74~ degress f) water and just gently rotate the container upside down to drain, and then back up to fill. ALl other forms of concentrate (which I don't consider to be the same category) are done solely to get a small amoutn ultra-pure substance.

This isn't a purifying effect so much as a true flushing of the bud. It gets rid of all the chemicals, chlorophyll, and also I believe the terpenoids (flavor+odor) as well, but I'm not sure. It would make sense of the losing taste/smell. Since all of these things are being removed, it makes a much less harsh smoke.

With this end product it's got a weight and structure very close to the original product, but is stealthy, and can go from growing in the ground to your bowl in a week and a half, in it's optimum condition. To do that with air cured bud, you have to chop, dry for 5-7 (I believe it's around there) days, and then cure for weeks or months in jars. I'd say it's also the easiest thing you can do to your bud to purify/refine it. Hash, oil, etc. are all a little more intricate. Specific things need to be bought, they have to be done in certian conditions. With this it's a jar and some water, that's it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm planning on doing an air cure as well. I'll be smoking the water cured first though, and I have no doubts that I will enjoy it very much.


you are right about the water temperature... i used ice last time because it was summertime and i was trying to avoid nasties as the water warmed up from warm ambients..... i should have said cool water, and change daily. :)

[thescissors]

I've seen pictures, and heard, of joints rolled out of hash. Can't quite picture how it would work, though...

yah, how do you pull a drag through solid hashish? maybe shred it first? ive only seen hash warmed up and dotted along the outside of joints... opium done the same way too... course i need to get out more.. ;)

[Guest]

very interesting... great for a quick cure...not all the time ,right?i mean dont you like the smell and taist?

[thescissors]

very interesting... great for a quick cure...not all the time ,right?i mean dont you like the smell and taist?


for me, its mostly a medicine, and it all follows from that. water makes better medicine, more potent, more stealthy, but like i keep saying, to each his own! water cure still has some odor and flavor, just more subtle.

ive decided to FEED my plants right up to the chop, so therefore it looks like i will be watercuring everything,,,,,,,,,

[Gert Lush]

Personally, I wouldn't use this method unless I had to, I like the terpenes (aroma) too much, and they are water-soluble, so bye-bye gorgeous fragrant smell if you water-cure :frown:

I am also in no rush. Six weeks cure? Hell, I've got stuff that's been curing for six MONTHS! :D
That's the beauty of being self-sufficient, you can lay bud down like a good wine.

However, I believe there is one occasion where water-cure is a blessing: If you are unfortunate enough to get mould, rather than trash the whole crop (or poison yourself), I understand that all the mycotoxins produced by the mould are water-soluble, and are thus eliminated with water curing! That, alone, makes it more than worthwhile, IMHO.

[Texas Kid]

Here are the many threads just here on ICmag that cover this process to the ninth degree.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=22648&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40786&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7482&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20795&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26622&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26393&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=22404&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=17478&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=6644&highlight=water+cure

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=437&highlight=water+cure

Why keep rehashing everything all the time? is just to be a thread starter or something? you would think people would just read the already posted material and gleen what they can from them but it just seems redundant info is the "soup de jour" anymore. If ya have new information that's great, add it to an existing thread on the topic and participate/contribute in the process of learning and teaching without starting yet one more thread on the same exact topic.

Not singling you out or anything, it just seems that no one reads anymore or even understands that this site has a killer search feature that is easy to use and honestly there is not much that hasn't been covered before.

Tex