vertical growing.........maxing out your light!

[00420]

{EDIT: this thread has been update'd with newer pic's as i deleted most when OG went down!!!}
so i have not seen much info on vertical around.....
me & a few ppl where talking about this in chat!
now we have a thread for are style of grower's....
i was going to put this in the hydro but i have seen soil grower's use vertical style!......
it's just a way to get the best gram per watt hands down.....
the only way to max your 1k 6hundy or that 4double0...


i have not had a chance to play with a 400.......
i work with 600's n 1k's....mostly we see 300 plant coli's or omaga's.... i have yet to build sum sort of system but am working on it... untell then i run colisum's.... but just sum fyi u dont have to run 300 plants to use this style!
i dont like playing with the fed's....... i stay legal ( medical 215 )

3 mini mod 60 site's coli's 2k hps
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168Picture_051.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=336199)

[Guest]

woohoo, can't wait to see this thread expand and grow

[Dr. D]

nice one 00420 this should be interesting.
How does your coli work, i mean what sort of system is it..drip, recirculating?
Also what gpw do you get with it?
peace

[00420]

woohoo, can't wait to see this thread expand and grow

i got a few to grow on it...........im uploading as we speek :)

[00420]

nice one 00420 this should be interesting.
How does your coli work, i mean what sort of system is it..drip, recirculating?
Also what gpw do you get with it?
peace


all in time my friend all in time :moon:

day 1
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168Image00007.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=441930)

[Cheeba]

Hope you get much success!

Just curious but would you normally use a reflector for that kind of setup?

[Dr. D]

Nice sticky icky buds there man..
i work that out to 1.6 gram per watt (goin by the 600hps) which is pretty impressive..i been thinkin bout makin one specially since the hemp expo, they had alot of diff ones there..some using coco grow slabs...looks easy enough to make to me.if you can show me 2 gpw..then i will defo be convinced...peace

[BenitoCereno]

DAMN wish I had the space...Impressive 00420.

[Guest]

thanks for the write up dubz420

LOL hahaha @ trying to get them to reach :tongue: veg. under flours then switch to the vertical hps and watch em stretch a bit....unless flours veg. too slow for your setup :think: this is how i have been stretching internodes :confused:

edit: wow pics just all reloaded and holy fuck is that coli nice! :yoinks:

can 00420 come out 2 play? :bashhead:

[00420]

Hope you get much success!

Just curious but would you normally use a reflector for that kind of setup?

cooltube......

[Guest]

thats 1 helluva beer tap
:spank:

[00420]

last crop
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168day_91_11.jpg

[00420]

:fsu:
outdoor candy.....
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168pe_jh_61.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=721969)

[00420]

Interesting setup. Seems to take up a lot of space to me. I'm sure it efficient in terms of grams/watt though.

it takes up 6 foot by 6 foot..... but u can stack to the roof. even with out that im still pulling more per watt.....

i was running 2k ( 6 x 9 x 9 )
im a med user & have plant limit's going for 3/4-1 oz a plant x 90 this round

[Guest]

as i eat my mickey d's breakfast this crisp sunday morn i'm hopin everything fills in nicely!!

be well :rasta:

cj

[Dr. D]

well d i only used the 600 for 1/4 of the flower n a 1k for 3/4's if ya wanna do the math go for it :) memba i lost a few.... sum was stunted .... ok then thats less than 1 gram per watt after doin the rough math...c'mon 00420 i can do that with my 250 hps :moon: lol
You gotta at least double that on this run...

[Guest]

Ok... Vertical, Eh...
Well Here is Grat3fulH3ad's Homemade UltraGhetto Cage Grow...
4ftX4ft... Gravel and pearlite medium... Fountian pump... old kiddie swimming pool... Garden hose... Pvc pipes... Ugly as sin, but she grows weed!
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5823-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5823.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5824-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5824.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5827-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5827.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5828-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5828.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5829-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5829.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5833-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5833.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5834-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_5834.JPG)

[Guest]

always wondered how a gravel medium would pan, ingenius idea on the perlite and gravel

very cool improvisation man

cj

[KingRalph]

this is great, nice start 00420 n thanks for sharin that homemade masterpiece Grat3ful, hopin to get a few ideas from all yas. see ya 'round, n thanks for startin the thread 00420 :)

[00420]

as i eat my mickey d's breakfast this crisp sunday morn i'm hopin everything fills in nicely!!

be well :rasta:

cj

wheres my mcd's.................... :P


ok then thats less than 1 gram per watt after doin the rough math...c'mon 00420 i can do that with my 250 hps lol
You gotta at least double that on this run...

yep.........thats right less then 1gpw :pointlaug oO( in 45 dayz flower )
i think this would be becuz it was cut early :bat:
or from 9 plant being gone........ 10 others stunted ( like 5 grams each )

i really did fuk this crop off...................ph 6+ allways....

neva eva changing nute's........... oop's i did 1 rez change in 45 day's.....
who knows what else happen that i did not see......lmao



Ok... Vertical, Eh...
Well Here is Grat3fulH3ad's Homemade UltraGhetto Cage Grow...
4ftX4ft... Gravel and pearlite medium... Fountian pump... old kiddie swimming pool... Garden hose... Pvc pipes... Ugly as sin, but she grows weed!

that's what im talking about...................
i have started a "cage" but with everything i been doing i have not even got close to ending it......

how many plant? how many light's........details plzzzzzzzzz...[/QUOTE]



always wondered how a gravel medium would pan, ingenius idea on the perlite and gravel

very cool improvisation man

cj...

ingenius for sure (not the gravel)....... :badday: haha

[Guest]

40 plants... 35 of them G33mum cuts... 2 x 400 hps + 1 400 mh no cooltubes, A/C mounted low and a fan blows up the center... Should be smoking some for new years...

[00420]

this is great, nice start 00420 n thanks for sharin that homemade masterpiece Grat3ful, hopin to get a few ideas from all yas. see ya 'round, n thanks for startin the thread 00420 :)

thx king,

i agree grat3ful.....think u......maybe this winter i will get to making mine..

np king :joint:

im hopping to crush 1gpw with one of them coli's........ :)
@ 1 OZ EACH ( 60 PLANT'S ) i would be at 3.75 pounds.......
all be happy with 60 @ 3/4 of a oz ( right at 2.5 pounds )
1oz a plant is pos'able...
my biggest so far is 18 gram's..... 21 with stem but i dont count that
i have only pulled 1 round.......

[00420]

40 plants... 35 of them G33mum cuts... 2 x 400 hps + 1 400 mh no cooltubes, A/C mounted low and a fan blows up the center... Should be smoking some for new years...

what kind of yeiulds so far??? or is this first round

[Guest]

This is the first go with it... Goal is 2lbs...

[grappleberry]

grateful, thats amazing and inspiring, makes me wanna so a vertical style sroggy thing.. makes good sense for space saving.

[00420]

This is the first go with it... Goal is 2lbs...

2 pounds on 1200 watts should be a cake walk..
that puts u right about my goal..... ( .8 per plant )

good luck cant wait for updates.........

grateful, thats amazing and inspiring, makes me wanna so a vertical style sroggy thing.. makes good sense for space saving.

:woohoo:
right now im just playing with strain's n learning.......


once im done space saving is the goal

[Cheeba]

Thanks for sharing and especially including those pics. :)

[Guest]

book mark

[bartender187]

LOL GRATE! that is too fuckin cool. homemade cage, gotta love it... man i bet the design phase of that project took FOREVER.

00420- sweeeeeeeeeet setup.

[Guest]

Well, just got done read through the thread and i'm so glad we finally got some members posting with the Mini coli's and DIY veticle Cage that Grat3ful did. Show's that we are always looking for better yields in smaller places. Can't wait to see the both of you and your harvest. Thanks 00420 and Grat3ful for sharing your info and grows with us. I'll be posting my two 120 mini coli's once i'm moved. Looking forward to those two babies for awhile now. Thanks again and take care

[00420]

Well, just got done read through the thread and i'm so glad we finally got some members posting with the Mini coli's and DIY veticle Cage that Grat3ful did. Show's that we are always looking for better yields in smaller places. Can't wait to see the both of you and your harvest. Thanks 00420 and Grat3ful for sharing your info and grows with us. I'll be posting my two 120 mini coli's once i'm moved. Looking forward to those two babies for awhile now. Thanks again and take care

i cant wait for u to get yours up either..... i wanna see how shity im doing...

but it only can get better ya?....... most mine are temp set up's....

i was runnign 1 ( 60 site ) then ordered 2 more ( 180 sites for all 3 )

Thanks for sharing and especially including those pics. :)
nprob..... lots more to come im sure :)

LOL GRATE! that is too fuckin cool. homemade cage, gotta love it... man i bet the design phase of that project took FOREVER.

00420- sweeeeeeeeeet setup.

i would think so.... i been working on one for a few now....... i just need the parts... but then i got a coli......
i might pick it back up sumday.......thx bar



anyways....... this came up on a thread.

whats the watts per sq foot on a coli?????
for a 60 site mini mod there 5' 6" x 16" high
the inside is 49 x 49 x 16

heres what i came up with any know if im right?

49 x 16 x 3.14 = 2461.76
(c x h x pi= surf's area)....... ( in inchs )

so 2461.76 / 144 =17.09sqf ?????????????????????????
^inchs^ina^sq^foot

so my guess is
58.51 watts per sq foot in a 60 site mini mod with 1k
35.29 watts per sq foot in a 60 site mini mod with 6 hundy
23.52 watts per sq foot in a 60 site mini mod with 4doubl0

[Guest]

u little calculator, you :bigeye: pie? *) right. LOL i know pie is 3.14 with a bar over it but thats the extent of my algebra LOL!!! this is why i never made it through college :badday:

wish i could confirm it LOL bet its a better estimate than most people could shit out, good hustle on the helpin people thing, your a good soul 00420 :)

[Guest]

any general tips on hanging a high pressure sodium without reflector vert.?
*edit* i tottally slaughtered this post wow was it illegible after the last edit LOL

[00420]

u little calculator, you :bigeye: pie? *) right. LOL i know pie is 3.14 with a bar over it but thats the extent of my algebra LOL!!! this is why i never made it through college :badday:

wish i could confirm it LOL bet its a better estimate than most people could shit out, good hustle on the helpin people thing, your a good soul 00420 :)
:fsu:
i neva went to college :bat: .....
hell i dont know how i got a deploma...... :moon:

help as many as i can...... :)

[Dr.Feelgood]

i know pie is 3.14 with a bar over
Well...that would make pi look like this: 3.14444444

Pi actually looks like 3.14159265 No offense...I just had to point that out. :smoke:

Nice vertical grows, people!

i neva went to college
Then what's up with that Oregon Ducks Softball plaque? :dance:

[00420]

any general tips on hanging a high pressure sodium without reflector vert.? (or halide for that matter, id liek to try both, right now i keep an very low wattage hps striking the top half of my mother plants from the side, it's a 35 watt LOL but want to know for no reflector (mine has one) and vertically hung, how m,uch light is washed upward? u lose much? would a mylar ceiling help things or what? Am i worrying too much and should i just try it?

thanks in advance

-captain flap stick :rolleyes: :biglaugh:

most light go's left n right.... not much go's up at all......

i thought about mylaring my coli's......

[Guest]

not much go's up at all......
golden. thanks

[00420]

Well...that would make pi look like this: 3.14444444

Pi actually looks like 3.14159265 No offense...I just had to point that out. :smoke:

Nice vertical grows, people!


Then what's up with that Oregon Ducks Softball plaque? :dance:


hahaha he know's pi.........lmao

am i right on my math feelgood?

that coli is set up at a friends house n his wife went to school.....

[Dr.Feelgood]

am i right on my math feelgood?
Well...I'm trying to figure out what the dimensions correspond to. If "c" equals "circumference", then you wouldn't need to factor pi. You would just take the circumference of the inside of the coli and multiply that by the height.

So did the friend's wife enjoy being a Duck? I'm considering moving to Eugene in a few years.

[Guest]

holy shit, i just wanted to say im super impressed with you guys and this style of growing. i've ALWAYS wanted to take a shot at verticle growing. im envious!!! j/k

h3ad, that's amazing. good grief!

[00420]

Well...I'm trying to figure out what the dimensions correspond to. If "c" equals "circumference", then you wouldn't need to factor pi. You would just take the circumference of the inside of the coli and multiply that by the height.

So did the friend's wife enjoy being a Duck? I'm considering moving to Eugene in a few years.


yes c = circumference

c x h =
49x16=784/144=5.4/1000=185 per sqfoot???????????

i think your thinking dia........??????

d x h = sq inch's

c x pi = d :yoinks: ??????

its been o most 10 yr's cents i been in a math class.....
a stoner 10 yrs at that......

all aske her today if she liked it............

[00420]

holy shit, i just wanted to say im super impressed with you guys and this style of growing. i've ALWAYS wanted to take a shot at verticle growing. im envious!!! j/k

h3ad, that's amazing. good grief!


i seen a guy at "freecannabus.com" do it with soil....... made shelfs n stacked them i neva seen the out come but would lov to...
all try to pm him n see if i can get him to add in a lil........

[GreatLakes THC]

00420 you just keep amazing me. Nice work. These coli's I think I could do. The omega gardens just never appealed to me. Too many metal parts. Keep up the good work teacher.

GreatLakes THC :wave:

[Guest]

00420, I was thinking about buying one of those light meters and measuring the light in the outter edges close to the clones throughout the 60 or so days of flowering. Was wondering if the bulbs drop off that much as the life of them gets older. That's another one to think about. Lolllll, I usally change my bulbs every two grows, but three max. Had a guy in town that was getting me good deals on 600HPS. Never went pass 6 months, but would pull them about 4 months noramlly. Glad to see we got a space for these types of grows. Its going to be fun seeing what we can really do with these Mini unts. I've been stoked ever since i bought the first 120 unit and place it in storage. Can't wait. Keep up the great job and will see some awesome buds.
Take care

[Guest]

nice thread,,,,, glad to see more vert growers here..... here is just a few pics from the cage i have many more in my gallery...
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0080-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0080.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070000_0019-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070000_0019.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050927010-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050927010.jpg)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050921004-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050921004.jpg)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050921002-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/507050921002.jpg)

[Guest]

Hey Draw, what is the strain in picture number 1? I like the bud to leaf ratio. Man, that's a super nice cola you got. By the way, do you like the cage? If you don't mind. What do and what don't you like about your cage. Thanks for sharing your pictures and info with us.
Take care

[Guest]

GDW.......the f1st pic was big buddha cheese and same as the 2nd.....below are some more BBC pics from the cage...... i luv almost everything about the cage......i use reuseable zip ties to hold up heavy buds,, which is nice,,, its best to use a light tude to prevent burning and excessive heat in the summer..... if i could change one thing it would to change the rez from 4ft to 5ft so the 12 tubes would be spaced apart a little more.... th0 i really like the fact that 72 plants can be compact into such a small space...... really great yeilds once the cage is perfected.... replanting one Tube (6plants) takes less then 10 minutes.


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070000_0020-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070000_0020.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0084-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0084.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0082-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0082.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0054-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0054.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0053-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0053.JPG)

[guineapig]

drawOH those pics look lovely.....that cola looks so close to your vertical light-tube!!
is light burn possible? not from the looks of it.....

vertical mounting the bulb is so much more efficient than horizontal mounting.....i think it gives better results when all is considered.....thanks for the pics!!! -kind regards, guineapig :wave:

[Guest]

Very nice 420
Great garden.. Once you get all organized and cleaned up in there it will be a clean setup.. Not that its not now, Cos it doing what its supposed to do.. And that grow weed. Anyhow how deep do the pockets have to be to get a cage?? Draw i forgot you had one.. Ill talk to ya more about it in chat peace..Anyhow great work 420.. peace..

Sack's First Outdoor Grow (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11794)
LQQK see.. All threads new updates on 11/01/05
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Sack's Cappuccino OD Grow (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=13630)
Sack's Limon OD Grow (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=13769)

sack :friends: :canabis: :

[00420]

00420 you just keep amazing me. Nice work. These coli's I think I could do. The omega gardens just never appealed to me. Too many metal parts. Keep up the good work teacher.

GreatLakes THC :wave:

thx....thc

i neva really like the omega's either but would lov to see someone post on it to see the out come... it just dont look like enuff room?????



GoldDustWomen
00420, I was thinking about buying one of those light meters and measuring the light in the outter edges close to the clones throughout the 60 or so days of flowering. Was wondering if the bulbs drop off that much as the life of them gets older. That's another one to think about. Lolllll, I usally change my bulbs every two grows, but three max. Had a guy in town that was getting me good deals on 600HPS. Never went pass 6 months, but would pull them about 4 months noramlly. Glad to see we got a space for these types of grows. Its going to be fun seeing what we can really do with these Mini unts. I've been stoked ever since i bought the first 120 unit and place it in storage. Can't wait. Keep up the great job and will see some awesome buds.
Take care

yes...... aerocanna posted a nice one on the aeroponic thread..
i would lov to see that.. thers got to be a cut off sumwhere... ;)

i run my 600 tell i start seeing shadie spots on the back side i was thinking about mylaring the inside as welll.......


DrawoH
nice thread,,,,, glad to see more vert growers here..... here is just a few pics from the cage i have many more in my gallery...
the f1st pic was big buddha cheese and same as the 2nd.....below are some more BBC pics from the cage...... i luv almost everything about the cage......i use reuseable zip ties to hold up heavy buds,, which is nice,,, its best to use a light tude to prevent burning and excessive heat in the summer..... if i could change one thing it would to change the rez from 4ft to 5ft so the 12 tubes would be spaced apart a little more.... th0 i really like the fact that 72 plants can be compact into such a small space...... really great yeilds once the cage is perfected.... replanting one Tube (6plants) takes less then 10 minutes.

nice looking bud's brotha.....
your only dis like about the cage "change the rez from 4ft to 5ft so " is that its 2 small was the only reazon i went with the coli... becuz of this i would have had to buy new lights .....

guineapig drawOH those pics look lovely.....that cola looks so close to your vertical light-tube!!
is light burn possible? not from the looks of it.....

guineapig
drawOH those pics look lovely.....that cola looks so close to your vertical light-tube!!
is light burn possible? not from the looks of it..... vertical mounting the bulb is so much more efficient than horizontal mounting.....i think it gives better results when all is considered.....thanks for the pics!!! -kind regards, guineapig
yes u can get very close with a cooltube yes burn is possaibl.... i did it last grow i had to tie back plants ( with out cooltube that is... now that i have 1 i hope not......

sackoweed
Very nice 420
Great garden.. Once you get all organized and cleaned up in there it will be a clean setup.. Not that its not now, Cos it doing what its supposed to do.. And that grow weed. Anyhow how deep do the pockets have to be to get a cage?? Draw i forgot you had one.. Ill talk to ya more about it in chat peace..Anyhow great work 420.. peace..

if ya buy one i think there 1500??? plus shipping
the coli will run ya about 700 plus shipping.........

then ya got to add pumps netcups cooltubes ect........

for this room right here will run u about 2000
thats with everything wood screws pumps tri-meter cooltube light ducting buckets nutes ect......
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168vert_20_-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168vert_20_.jpg)

[Guest]

thanx for the kind words GP,, the plants only get burned if they lay on the tube next to the bulb all day.... a couple hours will not do any harm..

sack0.. the cage itself with pump is about 1500+,,, i really like the grow cube as well....the cube is 144 site and uses 2 x 1000w bulbs.....and if u put a 4x4 tray on the bottom you can add 36 nice size plants....


00420 i like the coli aswell,, but the larger coli's can be a big pain in the ass,,,, you look to have the perfect sizes coli imho... actually the coil has less space in between sites the the cage does... i would increase the cage to 5 ft for more side spacing ... the interior spacing is good.... (just thought i'd clairify what i wrote). thats for starting this thread..... i'll be looking for your updates

[00420]

thanx for the kind words GP,, the plants only get burned if they lay on the tube next to the bulb all day.... a couple hours will not do any harm..

sack0.. the cage itself with pump is about 1500+,,, i really like the grow cube as well....the cube is 144 site and uses 2 x 1000w bulbs.....and if u put a 4x4 tray on the bottom you can add 36 nice size plants....


00420 i like the coli aswell,, but the larger coli's can be a big pain in the ass,,,, you look to have the perfect sizes coli imho... actually the coil has less space in between sites the the cage does... i would increase the cage to 5 ft for more side spacing ... the interior spacing is good.... (just thought i'd clairify what i wrote). thats for starting this thread..... i'll be looking for your updates

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/day_69_71.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=774031)

[Guest]

im running 3 x 400hps yeilds between 2lbs - 5lbs..... depending on strain...

[Dr.Feelgood]

00420: I took another look at that setup and there's no way that your circumference is 49". Where'd ya get that figure from? Because all you need to do to figure out the area is take the inside circumference and multiply it by the height (16"), then divide by 12 and you have your square feet. It's the same as width x height.

[00420]

00420: I took another look at that setup and there's no way that your circumference is 49". Where'd ya get that figure from? Because all you need to do to figure out the area is take the inside circumference and multiply it by the height (16"), then divide by 12 and you have your square feet. It's the same as width x height.


feel good im sry i had it wrong....... i had d & c mixxed up

it works out to the same ..............

d x pi = c
c/144=sqf

i just had the wrong letter's in there....

49"=dia
dia x pi = c
16"=h
h x c = sqf
the reason i brought pi in was to get c from dia...... man i learnd sumthing in high school!!!!!! wOw hoooooooooooooooo! oO(other then theres 8 8ths in a oz 16 oz in a pound!)

[00420]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168thxgiving_1.JPG

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/JC_32.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=770422)

[mpro]

Show that one on fox's best busts or whatever the hell that propaganda shit is. Glad to see you guys have everything in order.

Wish I could just pay the government $500 a year or something to grow. They could use the money to pay school teachers. Or whatever the years hotbutton issue is.

[Guest]

yep

they got their asses chapped over here too not too long ago almost cut my beds down. i was freaking out running around the house with 12 scripts in my hand saying "YOU ARE TRESPASSING LEAVE MY PROPERTY OR FACE CHARGES!!!"

Luckily everything is still reaching for the light.

[Guest]

well glad to hear they left you alone, strictly.

thats a very impressive setup 00420, and howard.

[Guest]

00420 ...champagne?!?!?!?! :yoinks: can't wait for this to come into maturity, haven't seen or heard of champagne in years! Nice! (hehe the other's kinda trump it, i really like the sound and look of grape ape and your lovechild the rainbow haze, good look..)
:respect:
happy to hear they left you alone after all the bullshit. Strictly Purps, same to you, good to hear they didn't get violent and choppity chop. So sorry guys, that must be the pits for you and your families, i feel your pain and hope they learned their lesson this time :nono: LOL get the heat out...... :bigeye:
cj

[00420]

Show that one on fox's best busts or whatever the hell that propaganda shit is. Glad to see you guys have everything in order.

Wish I could just pay the government $500 a year or something to grow. They could use the money to pay school teachers. Or whatever the years hotbutton issue is.


id lov to have cam's in ar house.... that would be great.... i pay 200 a yr to do it in cali just thought for mind, after your first time its only 100....


Strictly Purps yep

they got their asses chapped over here too not too long ago almost cut my beds down. i was freaking out running around the house with 12 scripts in my hand saying "YOU ARE TRESPASSING LEAVE MY PROPERTY OR FACE CHARGES!!!"

Luckily everything is still reaching for the light.

are they not dicks........... for no reason......

wang chung well glad to hear they left you alone, strictly.

thats a very impressive setup 00420, and howard.

yes me to........we could have moved everything we knew my brother was going to have a proba check. we did not know when but it was coming..
there for we where very ready! not only that but a friend seen them suitting up down the street n called us.... good to know a lot of ppl in a small town.


00420 ...champagne?!?!?!?! can't wait for this to come into maturity, haven't seen or heard of champagne in years! Nice! (hehe the other's kinda trump it, i really like the sound and look of grape ape and your lovechild the rainbow haze, good look..)

happy to hear they left you alone after all the bullshit. Strictly Purps, same to you, good to hear they didn't get violent and choppity chop. So sorry guys, that must be the pits for you and your families, i feel your pain and hope they learned their lesson this time LOL get the heat out......
cj

yes flap stick.... pull out your wine glass........... i have growen it twice
once it cam out ok the 2nd time it did not like the nutes i was giving the rewst of the crop so it died........ 3rd times a charm.....

cant wait to get sum more rainbows down.......... the grape is coming along just fine heres 1 week veg from shity clones...........

here, some random 3 week pic's { multi strain/grow's }
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/JC_15_11.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=770821)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/JC_17_11.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=770895)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168week3_41.jpg

[KingRalph]

lookin good for 1wk, err 5 days (tap water bites!)... i think you'd be happy with one more week veg, there'll be a good increase in weight i bet, much more than just a week's worth of budding (judgin by what i saw from your previous pics). at least 4" larger buds... yeah i think it's worth it.. maybe someone else with the ape has good advice, as i'm all hypothetical ;)

i'm almost as impatient as you to see em buddin hehehe almost :P peace n green thumbs 00420, good buds to come i'm sure man

[00420]

lookin good for 1wk, err 5 days (tap water bites!)... i think you'd be happy with one more week veg, there'll be a good increase in weight i bet, much more than just a week's worth of budding (judgin by what i saw from your previous pics). at least 4" larger buds... yeah i think it's worth it.. maybe someone else with the ape has good advice, as i'm all hypothetical ;)

i'm almost as impatient as you to see em buddin hehehe almost :P peace n green thumbs 00420, good buds to come i'm sure man


yes your right it would but we want to chop this on the 1st of jan....
i wanna see how many crops i can pull in a yr to the day.
im gonna have 60 rooted ready to go when we chop....
im going to go take pic's to night..... i have not seen them in a week :( should have white hairs by now...... week 1 is over......time for a rez change n sum big bud...... i hope they took off a lil :) but im guessing not...... o well.

[Guest]

Some new Ghetto Cage shots... about 32 days of 12/12... 22 ish days to go... will now stop adding nutes to the rez as it gets topped off and should have a nice 12 - 15 day flushing...
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6075-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6075.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6074-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6074.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6076-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6076.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6079-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6079.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6080-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6080.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6086-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6086.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6090-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6090.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6088-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6088.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6077-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6077.JPG) http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6084-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/68100_6084.JPG)

[00420]

lovly pics Grat3fulH3ad.......

that seems to be working great for u ya?

ok so heres 5/6 week random pic's

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/JC_31_21.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=771758)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/JC_37_71.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=772055)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168thunk_it_61.jpg

[Guest]

Official.

cj

[Guest]

hows the garden lookin man?

[guineapig]

protect ya neck and ya medicine, 00420.....

[00420]

protect ya neck and ya medicine, 00420.....
for sure for sure......

when i leave i keep my 3 dog's in & the lil ol lady acrosset the way is a med user that i keep fully stocked she never leaves n her hubby dont either he's a user as well......... then my best friend lives 3 house's down & he dont leave much either. i grow for him as well as he watchs my place. btw my dog dont let him in my place why im gone.... :moon:

CaptainJack hows the garden lookin man?

i have not been there sences i took them last pic to night is rez change.. i hope i can get a batt charger intown today so i can take pic's... :bat:
my doggy ate the other.... :(

[00420]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168day_92_11.jpg

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168day_92_41.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=762382)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168thunk_hiding_31.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=733829)

[KingRalph]

hey for unhealthy clones they're not doin too shabbily man. chuggin along lookin lush as can be now. think of it this way, a side by side 1wk veg an 3wk veg grow :P cheers till the next update here. gonna be much non-vertical goodness comin eh :)

[Guest]

nice pics 00420,,,,,, how much longer do your ladies have until chop,,, also seeing that you are using 1 light and 2 row coli,, would you beable to use a verticle reflector and even get more lumens to th0s ladies... i think it would be something to check into.... i really enjoy your thread 00420,,,, alos can u take a few closeups of the bottom row plants.....

being a verticle grower myself i thought id share a few recent pics ,,



http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0210-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0210.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0208-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0208.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0188-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070IMG_0188.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0080-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0080.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0084-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/5070100_0084.JPG)

[Guest]

Very nice pictures Drawoh. Is that a cage your growing in? Very nice bud formation in those plants.
Take care

[Guest]

Thanx GDW,,, yeap your right on,,, its a cage

[00420]

nice pics 00420,,,,,, how much longer do your ladies have until chop,,, also seeing that you are using 1 light and 2 row coli,, would you beable to use a verticle reflector and even get more lumens to th0s ladies... i think it would be something to check into.... i really enjoy your thread 00420,,,, alos can u take a few closeups of the bottom row plants.....

being a verticle grower myself i thought id share a few recent pics ,,


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/stu1_11.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=773842)

[00420]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/jc_64_71.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=773624)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/jc_64_31.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=773621)

[wolfshadow]

Thats some beautiful herb there 00420!!!

Prolly gonna be close to 7-8 grams dry.Hopefully more huh?
Enjoy that fine looking smoke!!
Peace!!
<<ws>>

[Farmer John]

Looking great my friend, gotta love the medicine. :yes: :wave:

[00420]

Farmer John Looking great my friend, gotta love the medicine.


yep.... lov it..... :joint:

Thats some beautiful herb there 00420!!!

Prolly gonna be close to 7-8 grams dry.Hopefully more huh?
Enjoy that fine looking smoke!!
Peace!!
<<ws>>

thats what i was thinking......7-8

witch for the clones we had is ok....

on the bottem row im guessing 16-20 grams each

i cut the rest this morning... all snap a few more pics later...

[Guest]

:woohoo: :yoinks: :joint:
:bongsmi: :dance: :canabis:
:ying: :ying: :ying: :jawdrop: :yoinks: :bandit: :puppydoge

:Bolt:

[00420]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/jc_57_51.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=773228)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/day_69_51.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=774029)

[Guest]

gotta love the hustle, i applaud your hard work 00420..
::clapping::

now lets get down to the nitty gritty...

as u know my buddy is setting up a new room shortly,
this may be the best bet for him.
how much do they charge retail for a single level/ring of that coli?
.....would it be cheaper to DIY a square of nft? nft scares me :? ...yeah u better bite that tongue sucka :bat:

[Guest]

TAG

The coli's always impress me alot, I really wanna try growing with them, but so far it's been to ekspensive to order home.

The first grow look's really nice, lookinf forward to see how it's gonna do with the "dubble up".

Are you adding another light too or same 1K setup as the first grow?

Pali

[KingRalph]

hehe so i was off a couple weeks with the veg time, got me confused with the nice growth :P who needs stretch when they chunk like that! now i see why ya grow the ape so copiously ;) cheers on a great run and to another one in a towerin coli. keep up the great work man, ya got it down pat.

oh an capt the colis were lookin ta be about $800 per 60 site. well worth it an about as simple as it gets. fill with a medium for foolproof runnin eh 00420. could build a makeshift octagon or cage for bout half the price but then there are other problems ta deal with. i wanted ta grab one so badly but alas, slightly outta budget right now, so just sit back an watch 00420 work the magic ;)

[00420]

gotta love the hustle, i applaud your hard work 00420..
::clapping::

now lets get down to the nitty gritty...

as u know my buddy is setting up a new room shortly,
this may be the best bet for him.
how much do they charge retail for a single level/ring of that coli?
.....would it be cheaper to DIY a square of nft? nft scares me :? ...yeah u better bite that tongue sucka :bat:

with 1 ring & 1k & a few rounds finding right strain i could see 2.5-3.5 pound (20-30 gram nug's) with the strain i run this is the best yeild per 1 k i have yet to see....



Palindrome TAG

The coli's always impress me alot, I really wanna try growing with them, but so far it's been to ekspensive to order home.

The first grow look's really nice, lookinf forward to see how it's gonna do with the "dubble up".

Are you adding another light too or same 1K setup as the first grow?
Pali

this a whole new room :)

the last one well lets just say 1 of the 2 guys that lived there could not wait!
so that one is being moved at the mo..... & that why i cut 48-52 day's..
i run a 56-60 day strain.....
yes im adding light.......
not sure on how much just yet we have a few 400's & a 6 plue as many 1k's as i need.... we should see :lurk:
gonna try n make it over there tonight to hustl up the rest .. but as allways


i am waiting on clone's :bat:

[00420]

hehe so i was off a couple weeks with the veg time, got me confused with the nice growth :P who needs stretch when they chunk like that! now i see why ya grow the ape so copiously ;) cheers on a great run and to another one in a towerin coli. keep up the great work man, ya got it down pat.

oh an capt the colis were lookin ta be about $800 per 60 site. well worth it an about as simple as it gets. i wanted ta grab one so badly but alas, slightly outta budget right now, so just sit back an watch 00420 work the magic ;)


just a few hehe......

i got my first 60 site for 595 + 100 shipping..... ( internet)
now my hydrostore carrys them....i payed 1300 for 2 ( including shipping )

but for all of u just wondering.......

there's 2 types of 60 sites....

1)mini mod basic system 493.96 wholesale 823.26 retail
2)mini mod add-on 451.41 wholesale 752.35 retail

i dont know what the dif is...... i use & run the add-on system's


fill with a medium for foolproof runnin eh 00420

yes........... i have lost 2 crops do to the aero....
i think its my timer ( 5 min off is to long )

could build a makeshift octagon or cage for bout half the price but then there are other problems ta deal with

by the time u go buy the part's and get it ready.......

all be 2 week's into budding

then work out your bug's ;)

i set this room up in 1 day..... ( about 8 hr's sofar ) there's still work but for the most part its done

[Guest]

00420 Im not 100% shure but I belive the Basic Coli is the bottom peace with resovior, the add on's don't have the resovior with em as you are placeing them on top of the first coli sections.

Pali

[00420]

00420 Im not 100% shure but I belive the Basic Coli is the bottom peace with resovior, the add on's don't have the resovior with em as you are placeing them on top of the first coli sections.

Pali


colesium reservoir...

whls 372.00
retail 620.00


the "add-on" comes with the pice's to add the rez but not the rez it self nor dose the "basic"come with the rez... i will call and find out...

[Guest]

I love those things too. I think the dif bet. the standard and the add on is the standard is made thicker and stronger to support the weight of add ons. The add ons are thinner and lighter. Dunno for sure, this is what I was told by my hydro shop which is a distributer for them. Wish I had the room for one or two....

[00420]

I love those things too. I think the dif bet. the standard and the add on is the standard is made thicker and stronger to support the weight of add ons. The add ons are thinner and lighter. Dunno for sure, this is what I was told by my hydro shop which is a distributer for them. Wish I had the room for one or two....


is it micro hydroponics?

that who we order them from..... thats who i would be calling...

an i have stacked 3 addons full of wet perlite and there fine... ;)

[Guest]

Yeah it was Andre at Micro that told me that. You aren't having probs so maybe it's not a big deal. I bet if you made that baby 12' high it would.. hehe :yoinks:

You mentioned you were lookin for a perfect coli strain... you have any experience or heard much about Original Misty from Homegrown Fantaseeds?

[Guest]

thanks for the :2cents: 00420

:)cj

[00420]

haha.... thats funny...

most i would do or advise anyone to do is 5 mini mods.... & thats about 7 feet....

to many plants for me as far as mj go's...

in the 3 stack with 3k we are only doing 90 plants.... every other hole....

[Guest]

Sweet

Looking forward to see that grow 00420

Pali

[Guest]

Looking tasty there, first pic might not be the biggest bud ever seen, but it looks cool and I like the color trades in it.

17 gram was that from a single plant, not bad IMO if you have enough of 17 gram plants. My last SOG test subject pulled 30 gram dry (1.2 oz), so im looking forward to try a full SOG grow with em.

Congrats on the new clones, it's always nice to get new plants and clones.

Pali

[Guest]

All you vert growers are fucking awesome =] If ordering a coli were as easy as ordering a bag of worm castings, I would have bought one a long time ago... until that day, it doesn't look like thats going to happen =]

[00420]

All you vert growers are fucking awesome =] If ordering a coli were as easy as ordering a bag of worm castings, I would have bought one a long time ago... until that day, it doesn't look like thats going to happen =]


mine came wraped in black colored suranwrap.....
the pallet was ship via will call

what that means is the shipping place holds it and u go pick it up..

i picked mine up and there was 2 guys there ( so busy that they could care less ) and on the way home i stoped at a locol store and cut the wrap off and tossed it there then pulled the pallet out and left it on a stack of other's
then just takeing the colis home i was in my door with in 5 sec's very light a bit big but moves really easy....

[somoz]

hey there 00420. thanks for the informative thread here it's been a good read. i've been lookin at vertical for the past year now and i just have a couple of questions for ya.

do u do dtw or drip system? i think i read u said u were gettin clogs so u switched it up to drip. if this is the case would u mind elobarting on ur watering schedule, type of drippers used, etc.

the room i want to use right now is only 3x6x8ft. i was thinking of either doing something like drawo or doing something like a coli but arts and crafts style. so i would build it. my idea is quite simple, i'm just stuck on watering due to the weight of the system combined with the water so i was thinking a drip system might alleivate this problem.

sorry im really gonna ask a lot here on this one so i understand if ya don't get to it all. are u veggin soley in the coli or do ya do a veg and then transplant. if transplanting how do ya go about this? as far as ur using a perlite mix with net baskets and any medium? i've heard people using the beer cups and a bunch of other methods? just tryin to get a better idea of what route to take before i go buy all my parts. appreciate any advice and thanks for urz time mate.

somoz

[PEP]

00420, thats great stuff mate, twisted set-up and cant wait to you finish creating your col to where you want it. Nice growing and good luck.

[00420]

hey there 00420. thanks for the informative thread here it's been a good read. i've been lookin at vertical for the past year now and i just have a couple of questions for ya.

do u do dtw or drip system? i think i read u said u were gettin clogs so u switched it up to drip. if this is the case would u mind elobarting on ur watering schedule, type of drippers used, etc.

the room i want to use right now is only 3x6x8ft. i was thinking of either doing something like drawo or doing something like a coli but arts and crafts style. so i would build it. my idea is quite simple, i'm just stuck on watering due to the weight of the system combined with the water so i was thinking a drip system might alleivate this problem.

sorry im really gonna ask a lot here on this one so i understand if ya don't get to it all. are u veggin soley in the coli or do ya do a veg and then transplant. if transplanting how do ya go about this? as far as ur using a perlite mix with net baskets and any medium? i've heard people using the beer cups and a bunch of other methods? just tryin to get a better idea of what route to take before i go buy all my parts. appreciate any advice and thanks for urz time mate.

somoz


sry bro i have been super busy u can catch me in the chat room most the time im logged in why i tend to the gardens :) but to answer your q and im very sry it took this long u can pm me any time bro :D

was getting clog's.....

it was from the mesh on the filter that comes with the coli.... its the wrong ones for the microsprinkler i had to change to a finer one and now it runs great it dose have to be check every fewdays when used with perlite CLEAN hydro tone runs smooth but i still clean it every week.

when i ran it drip it was pack with hydroton and i lost yeild from it. drip would be fine if u run 1 driper per plant.... but i like the sprayers for full cover ....

jut make sure your filter it the right ones for you microsprinkler....

00420, thats great stuff mate, twisted set-up and cant wait to you finish creating your col to where you want it. Nice growing and good luck. thx....

here some more grape nuggy shot's
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168ape-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168ape.jpg)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168ape_1-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168ape_1.jpg)

[somoz]

no stress 420. thanks for the reply and i hear ya on the spray vs the individual drip on each plants. i'd post a pic of this system that i'm tryin to dial up but me not allowed, so i'll try to run it by ya pure verbal.

basically i wanna take 6-8 pvc pipes(not sure how big OD i'm gonna go yet, thinking between the 4-8" mark but still thinkin) and run them in a U around the room but more like a square u if ya dig. i already have one cooly runnin and just need a tube for my other 1kw.

anyway lookin to have each pipe 5ft to 5 1/2ft long and i'm gonna try and get 10 to 25 plants per pipe. decided on pool noodles as my no medium and what i'm really debating is how to water???? :dueling:

one idea i had would be to slant all the pipes so they drain right back into the rez but that might be a real bitch as far as construction goes and the weight of the system completely full suspended on a wall might not be such a smart idea. :pointlaug

so then i was thinkin instead of drips or a dtw idea why not slide either another smaller pvc pipe with super tiny little holes drilled in them or some sort of other plastic watering line and use that as my sprayer. my only concern with this is that when the root sytem develops it may engulf the supply line and clog it up. :badday:

i got a lot o shit swirlin in me brain right now tyrin to suss this out so if anyone has any insight, comments, concerns, etc hit that post reply icon.
thanks now. somoz :wave:

[Purgatory]

hey there 00420. thanks for the informative thread here it's been a good read. i've been lookin at vertical for the past year now and i just have a couple of questions for ya.

do u do dtw or drip system? i think i read u said u were gettin clogs so u switched it up to drip. if this is the case would u mind elobarting on ur watering schedule, type of drippers used, etc.

the room i want to use right now is only 3x6x8ft. i was thinking of either doing something like drawo or doing something like a coli but arts and crafts style. so i would build it. my idea is quite simple, i'm just stuck on watering due to the weight of the system combined with the water so i was thinking a drip system might alleivate this problem.

sorry im really gonna ask a lot here on this one so i understand if ya don't get to it all. are u veggin soley in the coli or do ya do a veg and then transplant. if transplanting how do ya go about this? as far as ur using a perlite mix with net baskets and any medium? i've heard people using the beer cups and a bunch of other methods? just tryin to get a better idea of what route to take before i go buy all my parts. appreciate any advice and thanks for urz time mate.

somoz

Hey Somoz, for your space requirements the only thing that came to mind would be the window garden, If your going to contruct it, i would go with something simalar to this. i'd use 4 400's with reflectors or 2 600's with reflecor's and face the lights right on those things.
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/7543window_garden-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/7543window_garden.jpg)
:joint:

[somoz]

thanks for the post purgatory but i think i'm actually gonna build something that instead of runnin up and down vertical style, i'm going to do something that looks like a ladder. so each pipe will be angled just a bit down so the plants grow up at a 45 degree and this way i avoid having to buy all those add on pipes. i should have it up within the next month i'm just waitin on the plants in the room to finish.

think i'm gonna start out with a 400 and 1kw and see what i can add from there. lookin to get 300+ sites overall. thanks again. take it easy. somoz

[BluEBLaZeS]

a parabolic reflector could significantly increase your yield. your setup is great by the way!

[highonthechroni]

nice 'coli'! :D

*remembers SoQuick's magical talents..*

[Guest]

one got to do, what one got to do to keep safe!

Hope everything will clear up for ya, so you can get back on the track as soon as posible. Best of luck with it all!

Pali

[urbanfarmer]

That sucks, I just found your thread and now I can not see the pics. I hope things go better for you.
:chin: Just know you have helped people in their ideas.

Thank you,
UF

[00420]

one got to do, what one got to do to keep safe!

Hope everything will clear up for ya, so you can get back on the track as soon as posible. Best of luck with it all!

Pali

im back on track neva really went off but felt it was best to do this
i took the cash & upgraded my other systems and rented a new place


the coils are great but very high plant numbers! if your not in the right frame of mind or in a unsafe place dont even try......... if u do go with them 2 tings of advice....

1: dont show anyone online.
2: dont show anyone offline.
keep it to your self.

[00420]

That sucks, I just found your thread and now I can not see the pics. I hope things go better for you.
:chin: Just know you have helped people in their ideas.

Thank you,
UF

sry bro.....
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168rainbowhazy_7_-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2168rainbowhazy_7_.jpg)

[KingRalph]

hope you're settlin in there double 0 n that maybe a discreet buckethead or vertical cagemasta can make a comeback ;) sure you're plenty busy, keep it cool n take it easy. hey we's always around chat, peace man

[Vern Equinox]

Thanks to a couple of Czechs on grower.com , I've adapted their setup to get over 70 SQ FT of flowering screen inside of a Mills Pride C24 cabinet. I'm having astonishing growth/fill in during the stretch, using just four 150 watt hps lights...simple. No cool tube or reflector needed either. My design's in my avatar.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568ladies3-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568ladies3.jpg)http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568Vertical_Scrog_updated-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568Vertical_Scrog_updated.jp g)http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568cab1out-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/10568cab1out.jpg)

Pics are @ 4-5 weeks ago; now day 8 of flower, and over half the cab is filled, with tons of bud sites! This is my first ever grow (started and pulled some last year; security), and I'm telling you, it's gonna be a good one. All growth thusfar has been from the lower two 150s; just installed the upper lights.

G_MAN and prenda routinely pull 140-143g from their single 150 setup; imagine what you can pull with this system dialed in. 70 sq ft,10g/sq ft,...nice!
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/105680238-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/105680238.jpg)

[Keefhead]

Well, I've been lurking here for a while, hoping there would be more on the cage. Well, if nobody else talks about theirs, lemme stimulate some. And I got a few problems I need help on, such as the watering cycle and such. Any cage folks out there?

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224Loading_cage-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224Loading_cage.JPG)

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224Cage2-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224Cage2.JPG)

The bottom layers are very sparse. The top is lush. The lighting seems to feed all the plants evenly. But is it? Anybody got a suggestion?

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224WaitedTooLong-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/2224WaitedTooLong.JPG)

Well, that pretty much tells my story so far. Could my lighting be causing this? I'm running two 600w on digital ballasts. From the picture can you tell if there is a problem?

Thanks.

[pineappaloupe]

Wow, no posts here in awhile.

My friend just came back from a trip and helped a friend trim. He was raving about this vertical light setup, using soil plants, pulling over a gram per watt.

He described it like this: 4 plants surrounding 2 1k bulbs in a 4ft cooltube. The plant were trained to be tall and flat, eventually surrounding the bulb like the picture earlier that used the 150.

I am going to try this for my next grow. I figure 2 600w bulbs in a 4ft cool tube should support a cylinder 6 feet tall with a 2ft radius.

It seems like it is an even more efficient used of space. You coul run 1200w in a 4 wide x 4 deep 8 tall box.

Hmmmmmmmmm

The multiple plant setups are great, but it you are limited to 10plants in my county that isnt the best.

peace

[highonthechroni]

Woo... Bump :D

[alphacat]

Amazing...

Amazing that despite all of the theoretical - and to a limited degree, proven - advantages of this grow style, do a search here for v-scrog or vscrog and you get surprisingly little, and none of it's recent.

Which leads me to ask;

why the hell aren't more people Vscroggin'? Maximized yields should appeal to everybody.

I ask because this is how I was thinking of setting up my next grow.

[pumpkin2006]

Amazing...

Amazing that despite all of the theoretical - and to a limited degree, proven - advantages of this grow style, do a search here for v-scrog or vscrog and you get surprisingly little, and none of it's recent.

Which leads me to ask;

why the hell aren't more people Vscroggin'? Maximized yields should appeal to everybody.

I ask because this is how I was thinking of setting up my next grow.

At first, I thought the same thing, then I really started to research it. I've seen grows in the cage, omegas and that one with the door that closes up... can't remember. The real problem with them are, 1) the medium used and even waterings. Then with the omegas, the mold factor from dripping cubes. And finally the biggest problem that all of these systems have: Huge plant numbers; unless you got big balls and don't mind going to fuck me in the ass prison, people don't wanna run that many plants. I mean, I could take 30 huge plants and yield the same as 300 small plants. I don't wanna goto prison, I wanna grow weed. :2cents:

[alphacat]

LOL re: "fuck me in the ass prison" - yeah, that's definitely a concern.

Omega gardens sound like they're just asking for trouble, what with the mold factor as you mention and its reliance on not one, but two separate working electric motors...

However, I'm talking about the classic Czech g_man style (https://grower.cz/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11193) , with no more than 4 plants in the double-tub "tube of green" setup, except I was thinking SWC instead of g_man's DWC or the Barrel of Green's soil.

Plant proximity is definitely something to keep an eye on w/ any scrog setup lest a little outbreak of mold turn into a whole crop of mush.

Any other potential problems though?

[Siddartha]

I'm interested in verticle-fu too, lets not let this thread die again!

::toke::

[researchOnly]

nice system fellas..

[alphacat]

Let's get this ball - er, J - rollin' again!

[Siddartha]

After I get some experience with flat gardening I plan on trying a v-scrog (tube-style). I really don't want to wait, but there's no since in biting off too much at once, I've never actually even grown anything, just been lurking, preparing. What happened to the dude that was trying to bring back tubescroggin last year? Did he just fall off or something?

[alphacat]

re: dude trying to bring back tube scroggin' - I think he surfaced briefly on that other site (with an 'H' and a 'G') then disappeared from there too. Don't quote me on that though.

And yeah, if you're just starting out it's definitely a good idea to get a feel for it first, then incrementally work in some new stuff. It ain't that hard though, just takes some patience.

[Siddartha]

Im thinkin about tryin something in a cab (likely a mills pride or a clone of one) until I get more room. I'd like to devote an entire room, or at least a walk-in closet, but not for a while, at least a year or two.

I wanna try with a couple of 250watters in a column in cooltubes. What d'ya think would be the correct diameter tube to use? Also, I've been trying to find a way around having to grow a ton of plants, as plantcount is important. This is all very preliminary, so I'm open to suggestions.

[alphacat]

Diameter - without knowing the diameter of the cooltube-enclosed lights, it's hard to say offhand; however, any rules that apply to HID lights as far as distance will also apply here. When the plants are young, at least 8" up to about 12" away from the light; when they're a little bigger (like a foot or so) then 6 - 8" should work fine. Anybody else who might have more experience is welcome to speak up here though, just to provide a more balanced perspective. Based on this you're going to need at least a couple feet diameter, up to maybe 30" - too much more is wasted space, which is potentially wasted light too.

Scrog's good for keeping your count low, but with the understanding that it also means longer finish times. What's your target yield and turnaround schedule, if I may ask?

[bobblehead]

I have a similar plan. The idea is to make a 3' wide 4' tall tunnel out of chicken wire, and another tunnel 4' wide and 4' tall tunnel to go around it. A HID bulb is hung dead center in the inside tunnel, and the plants are trained to grow up between the tunnels. I want to do it in halves however, so then I can open it up and work on the inside!

[alphacat]

I have a similar plan. The idea is to make a 3' wide 4' tall tunnel out of chicken wire, and another tunnel 4' wide and 4' tall tunnel to go around it. A HID bulb is hung dead center in the inside tunnel, and the plants are trained to grow up between the tunnels. I want to do it in halves however, so then I can open it up and work on the inside!
Hinged halves are a very, very good idea Bobblehead. Will this be a 400w light you're using? You may be able to tighten up the inner chickenwire 'tunnel' to bring the plants closer to the light; I believe you'll get better results with higher lumens per foot then lower with more area (the area inside a larger tunnel). Even if the plants are well trained to stay inside the 1' inter-tunnel area, you're losing light penetration dramatically within the first 6", so all of the outer growth will suffer.

Alternately, two 400w lights on top of each other vertically could help offset and contribute to a better yield. I'd still think about tightening up the inter-tunnel space though... here's a quick sketch of what I mean:
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/79/z1kn0.gif
Again tho, this is just my humble opinion. Anybody with more ideas or experience is totally welcome to pipe up here.

[Siddartha]

Diameter - without knowing the diameter of the cooltube-enclosed lights, it's hard to say offhand; however, any rules that apply to HID lights as far as distance will also apply here. When the plants are young, at least 8" up to about 12" away from the light; when they're a little bigger (like a foot or so) then 6 - 8" should work fine. Anybody else who might have more experience is welcome to speak up here though, just to provide a more balanced perspective. Based on this you're going to need at least a couple feet diameter, up to maybe 30" - too much more is wasted space, which is potentially wasted light too.

Scrog's good for keeping your count low, but with the understanding that it also means longer finish times. What's your target yield and turnaround schedule, if I may ask?
I figure if I smoke about 2-3 oz. a month, I need to be able to harvest enough to not run out. If there's extra I'll make hash. I'd rather have something perpetual, but I'm a n00b and that's a little advanced, so that can wait if it has to. If I could harvest once a month tho, that'd be probably the best compromise between yield and plant numbers. Just having enough to reduce dependency on other venues would be great tho.

[alphacat]

2-3 oz'ers a month, yowza - I take it you're a med user. In that case, and given the parameters of few plants/high yields needed you're almost not gonna have any choice but to do a perpetual cycle. Doing perp. isn't that hard though really, just involves more time investment overall and probably a few runs to get the timing right and the general hang of it.

Bear in mind w/ the perpetual thing is that clones count the same as full grown plants - if you've got your eye on yr. state's mandatory minimum, that's definitely going to factor into it. Fewer clones & moms = longer veg. times, period, and you're going to need to grow 'em bigger for sure. Once a month may not happen unless/until you really tweak the sh*t outta your setup. Once every couple months is probably more realistic.

Based on all that I'd also recommend going with the fastest Indica dom. and the highest wattage light[s] you can get as well.

[Siddartha]

Well, 2-3ozs is a rough estimate, including smoking out friends and whatnot. I actually smoke about half to 2/3 of that so more like 1-2 at most. I care about plant count and I don't really mind having time between harvests. The cooltubes would most likely be around 6 inches. Eventually I wouldn't be opposed to using co2 to up the yield. I figure after a harvest or two I could invest a little more money in some better gear. The first few times I'm not really worried about making those numbers, I'll still be able to supplement with the locals if necessary (it's not NECESSARY, but you know what I mean).

Not a med user, just fond of gravity bongs....

[bobblehead]

Hinged halves are a very, very good idea Bobblehead. Will this be a 400w light you're using?

Thanks for your opinion, it's a good one. However, the tunnel is so big because I want to use a 1000w hps on top with a 400 mh at the bottom. This is if I don't buy any more lights.
I'm thinking about buying more lights and doing a whole room of vertical lights. 4-400w in the corners and 1000w in the middle. I mean that's maxing out your lighting! Then, instead of a tunnel for the plant, I'll need them for the lights!

[alphacat]

Well, 2-3ozs is a rough estimate, including smoking out friends and whatnot. I actually smoke about half to 2/3 of that so more like 1-2 at most. I care about plant count and I don't really mind having time between harvests. The cooltubes would most likely be around 6 inches. Eventually I wouldn't be opposed to using co2 to up the yield. I figure after a harvest or two I could invest a little more money in some better gear. The first few times I'm not really worried about making those numbers, I'll still be able to supplement with the locals if necessary (it's not NECESSARY, but you know what I mean).

Not a med user, just fond of gravity bongs....
I'd tell my friends to BYO if I was smokin' them out with over an oz. a month besides what I was smoking, but then that's just me. :friends: Gravity bongs... i.e. the FUBAR-express! Heh. If you're trying to keep your count down to say three, that doesn't leave too much room for error. Unless you've got easy access to clones, that boils down [in a perp. setup] to one mom, and two cuttings in different parts of the cycle (one in veg & one in flower). You'll be growing 'em relatively big - definitely scrog-worthy - but if something goes wrong and, say, one of them herms out or gets sick on ya the whole schedule is shot. However, some folks have pulled off a semi-perpetual grow with just 2 plants (one mom, one cutting that's flowered on the early side) so it's not impossible.

Bobblehead - damn but you're an ambitious S.O.B.! :headbange

I like that. Props to you for thinking big.

Whatever either/all of you wind up doing make sure to let us know how it goes!

[Siddartha]

lol, it's not ALWAYS like that

As for count, I'd be willing to go as high as maybe 5-6 not including moms and clones. Also, I was thinking instead of tubes of screen in a cab doing like a 3-sided box and hanging the bulb in the center EDIT: the 3 sides being left, right, and rear, leaving the bottom, top and front open. This would allow me an open face to work with the canopy and the light. The lights would be in cool tubes with sufficient cooling. Let the ideas rip!

[bobblehead]

Put at least one of those sides on wheels, so you can create a triangle and use all of your light! That way you can pull a side away and still work on your plants. Also, by putting it on wheels, you can rotate your plants for even buds...

[Siddartha]

That's a good idea, bobble, now we just need to calculate the maximum length we can make the sides, still have enough room in the center for budz and light/cooltube/exhaust duct, and still fit into cab. Also, I think if we find a combo that will fit we should compare the screen areas to make sure its at least as large.

Keep em comin!!

[Siddartha]

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=83870-444-WS48MP&lpage=none

^^^ A possible cab (dimensionally close, at least). I'd like to have more depth, but I can't til I get a room. Owell....

[bobblehead]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/15177shelves-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/15177shelves.jpg)


After a lot of brainstorming, and several posts, I have finally come up with a rather simple, and theoretically successful form of vertical growing. Here's what I'm going to do:
4 book cases, 3 shelves each. The bottom shelf is for reservoirs, and the top 2 shelves are for the plants. I plan on using a recirculating shallow water culture (swc). However if the heat is too much, I'm going to change it to E&F. The one book case that is pulled out will be on wheels so that I can get inside to work, while maximizing light use the rest of the time. I'll probably put a screen on the front of the cases to scrog the plants and spread them out, along with giving them the support they'll need! There will also be a fan on the floor to cool the light and provide air flow.

Now, as for the size of book cases to be used! First you must consider the size of your light! a 400w will throw light about 1ft, so I would keep a 1ft radius around your bulb, and 2ft of vertical space. A 1000w will throw light 2ft, so a 2ft radius around the bulb should be suitable, along with prolly 4ft vertical space.

This is getting kinda long, huh?
Anyway, If you're using a 400w, I would use 2x2 book cases, and 1000w 4x4 book cases. 600w will be right in the middle, with a 3x3.
In another month or two I'll be building my new grow, and I will write up a thread with this method.
It's kinda like a horizontal scrog, however instead of having a deep canopy, you have divided it into 4 different layers, and each layer gets equal lighting.

[Guest]

I dident read all the way through this thread but northern farmer has a thread on theater vertical light grow that is the bomb. great results with a great yield. im deff. going to do my little 5ft x 5ft x 8 ft high bloom in this 3 sided maner as soon aS time permites. back in the late 1980s we all grew with vert lighting and i think i like it better for several resons

[alphacat]

Bobblehead, nice update on the Box of Green! I like this idea. Here's a link to a much more primitive incarnation from an Italian site:

http://www.mariuana.it/scrog/scrog6.html

[bobblehead]

Bobblehead, nice update on the Box of Green! I like this idea. Here's a link to a much more primitive incarnation from an Italian site:

http://www.mariuana.it/scrog/scrog6.html

Very nice alphacat! Just the kind of thing this thread needs! The pictures speak for themselves, but I also speak spanish and french, which helps with interpreting italian. Box di verde!

[KingRalph]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3890CoolerTest1-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3890CoolerTest1.jpg)

that oughtta give you all some ideas. it doesn't get any better for home buildable vertical. built in memoriam of 00420 and honor of DrawoH, may vertical reign supreme for many years to come. have fun. stay safe. peace. :joint:

[Guest]

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3890CoolerTest1-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3890CoolerTest1.jpg)

that oughtta give you all some ideas. it doesn't get any better for home buildable vertical. built in memoriam of 00420 and honor of DrawoH, may vertical reign supreme for many years to come. have fun. stay safe. peace. :joint:

Nice system King.

Glad to see you got it together. Let me know how well it works.
Later,
BG

[Guest]

Go to Homegrownfourtwentydotcom and look at Heath Robinson`s "Heath`s got the vertical bug again thread".........Absolute "DIY" genius.........Inside area 4'x6' with 2 sylvania 600 hortilux`s and over 80 plant sites that produce well over 1 oz. per with clones.....He uses it for seed development projects..........Peace....DHF ....... :joint:

[alphacat]

I remember a guy on OG a few years back who was getting upwards of 8oz with his 250W in a vertical scrog configuration.. Looked like a pain in the ass to do.. Still interesting though.
Biggest pain in the ass - or pains, rather - would probably be A) preventing mold, which in such close quarters could melt your crop in no time flat; B) training to the screen, especially if you had no experience; C) controlling internal temperature.

Something else that just dawned on me that seems worth investigatin' - for lighting, what about a vertical circular array of T5's? Maybe 8-10 T5's... maybe even a reflective cylinder with some air uptake vents in the middle?

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2363/vt5wy9.gif

:chin:

[alphacat]

Doing my best to keep this thread alive...

[bump]

[bobblehead]

GrowDoc and Northern Farmer have taken over as far as vertical growing is concerned. GrowDoc has already implemented my idea of using shelves. So I guess that really makes it his idea... lol

[alphacat]

Can you post some links to their latest posts, please?

[bobblehead]

No problem mon.

Vertically Simple:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=64328&highlight=vertically+simple

HP Stadium:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=57927&highlight=hp+stadium

2 amazing threads, both growers use dirt however.... :(
Both systems could be easily modified for hydro though with a little ambition! I was robbed, so I'm laying low for a while. Soon I'll have a new house to put on my own show! I'm gonna grow trees! YAY!!!

[alphacat]

Sorry to hear about your loss, bobblehead. That blows... but karma will settle up with those who wronged you, no doubt.

I like the stadium approach, always have... but it seems few people are interested in the scrog approach over a sog (as the stadium is). Wonder why?

[blAsia]

I've got one going now. only 2 cool tubes ... one 400 hps, one 250 hps which is getting switched out to 400 mh after this harvest. I will run them, for power savings at 2 hrs hps, then 8 hrs both, then 2 hrs hps (so, dawn, midday, dusk--saves a little, but that helps me on the $$$$ and lets the plants see more natural light shifts).

Right now, most leaves are 8" from the tube, thats about as close as they can get without burning/overheating with stress. But, it seems that the light waves better penetrate through the plants and a horizontal plane, cause the buds in the back of the plant aren't really suffering.

I figure once the two 400's are up and running i can almost go 2 deep in some areas, which will give me about 14 plants total. Not much, but it is for me and a friend only--actually he pays me to babysit his plant, so each harvest, he gets his plant. I don't sell, he just pays me for nutes, electricity and the like.

Anyway, I was thinking about switching back to overhead lighting as it just seems more natural. I won't know until after this harvest, but right now, the buds seem to be fine with the lights.

sucky ass sativas with their long ass flowering time. They will be nice, a real heart stomping stone, but I like a couchlock stone better.
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/28459100_2532-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/28459100_2532.jpg)

[rr14]

just a few hehe......

i got my first 60 site for 595 + 100 shipping..... ( internet)
now my hydrostore carrys them....i payed 1300 for 2 ( including shipping )

but for all of u just wondering.......

there's 2 types of 60 sites....

1)mini mod basic system 493.96 wholesale 823.26 retail
2)mini mod add-on 451.41 wholesale 752.35 retail

i dont know what the dif is...... i use & run the add-on system's


by the time u go buy the part's and get it ready.......




does anyone know where to get a coli for cheap? All the internet pricing is much higher? Anyone know someone selling one used?

[bobblehead]

I've got one going now. only 2 cool tubes ... one 400 hps, one 250 hps which is getting switched out to 400 mh after this harvest. I will run them, for power savings at 2 hrs hps, then 8 hrs both, then 2 hrs hps (so, dawn, midday, dusk--saves a little, but that helps me on the $$$$ and lets the plants see more natural light shifts).
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/28459100_2532-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/28459100_2532.jpg)

More light means more buds. The electricity cost now will be well worth it in the end. Think of it as an investment.

[GrowerGoneWild]

I'm verti growing with a scrog.

This cab design and growing it has been challenging, but its been rewarding!

Anywho. heres the first day with the screen in.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/8961SCROG_jpg-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/8961SCROG_jpg.JPG)

I dont think I'll break the gram per watt barrier, tho' but once I have things dialed in I think I can get there.

[rooted]

^ dang that's a deluxe cab right there, well done man! so clean

[00420]

i cant wait to go vertical...
i have retired mine after 5+ yr......
hopefully some one can post up there's this is a wonderful unit. i will try and repost all the pic of this thread to bring it back so everyone can learn
i have out growen the coli, found something that hit's 3+ a light {i will be sharing shortly} the coli got me to 3 but neva over like now.........

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/day_69_31.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=774027)
this is from half of one side
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/day_69_11.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=774025)

[rythmic intent]

i hope i hit 3 a light lol....

[MJ-IN-BLOOM]

dude, you should check out my figure 8 grow. Its basically just like yours with a few less plants per circle. You veg them shorter and just add the second light right next to it.

check it out

http://www.verticalgreen.org/showthread.php?1487-3k-Figure-8&p=5171#post5171

[00420]

i hope i hit 3 a light lol....



we get you there dont worry.... :smokeit: she take's a few round's....... and filtering strains........ thx the hy-dd x hp gonna be the one RI

[jgrow]

3 #s a light?

[00420]

3 #s a light?

3 a light in a coli......... when done right & a heavy yeilder,.............jus wait tell u see my new system :dance013: it put's that to shame

[guest2222999]

looking forward to it 420

[00420]

looking forward to it 420

moms growen & im work on the bloom room as we speak..... should be taking cut's this weekend all try n get pic's of the flowering room in the next few day there's a lot of work
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/0131.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=789311)

[guest2222999]

420 why did you retire the old unit and could you give a summary of yield and wattage you used in the old beast

[Shcrews]

cant wait to see the 4 per light system...

[krunchbubble]

cant wait to see the 4 per light system...



brother, there is a 10 per light system going on! on the farm, under doubleleds mpb buckets

[StealthyStalks]

I'm verti growing with a scrog.

This cab design and growing it has been challenging, but its been rewarding!

Anywho. heres the first day with the screen in.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/8961SCROG_jpg-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/8961SCROG_jpg.JPG)

I dont think I'll break the gram per watt barrier, tho' but once I have things dialed in I think I can get there.


I have only been a member for a month or so, but I keep reading people using the gram-per-watt as a measure of productivity. Gram-per-watt is an erroneous measurement. What you need to do is use gram-per-kilowatt hour.

If two growers both use a 600w HPS and both get 600 grams from their harvest, it would sound like they are both equal in productivity, right? But if the first grower did it in 60 days and the second in 83 days, it's obvious who the most productive grower is.

Starting from rooted clones:

Grower one would have a productivity level of 1.388 grams-per-kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x60.

Grower two would have a productivity level of 1 gram-per kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x83.

Use the gram-per-kilowatt measure when comparing your growing technique to other's; you may be doing better than you think!

[guest2222999]

I have only been a member for a month or so, but I keep reading people using the gram-per-watt as a measure of productivity. Gram-per-watt is an erroneous measurement. What you need to do is use gram-per-kilowatt hour.

If two growers both use a 600w HPS and both get 600 grams from their harvest, it would sound like they are both equal in productivity, right? But if the first grower did it in 60 days and the second in 83 days, it's obvious who the most productive grower is.

Starting from rooted clones:

Grower one would have a productivity level of 1.388 grams-per-kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x60.

Grower two would have a productivity level of 1 gram-per kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x83.

Use the gram-per-kilowatt measure when comparing your growing technique to other's; you may be doing better than you think!

you're right and this has been debated extensively in this forum. if a grower vegges for 3months then flips for 60days he's going to out produce hands down the guy that flips right away like I do, however I bet I out produce him over an extended period of time as I squeeze out 2 or 3 crops in the same period.

[00420]

420 why did you retire the old unit and could you give a summary of yield and wattage you used in the old beast
becuz of my new set up.... :)
i all ways ran 2k and 3 60 site's used every other site for 90 plant's
yeild's was 4-6 after dialed, at first was only getting like 2-3 it take's the right strain and u have to nail it to get over 15-20 gram plants
the highest i hit in her was 5.6 and it was with grape ape 15-20 day veg just over oz a plant
some strain's like geisha, c99, jack herrer hit 4.5-5 just under oz a plant

cant wait to see the 4 per light system... if i get 4 i would shit............... but 3+ has all ready been done.....

brother, there is a 10 per light system going on! on the farm, under doubleleds mpb buckets:respect:

I have only been a member for a month or so, but I keep reading people using the gram-per-watt as a measure of productivity. Gram-per-watt is an erroneous measurement. What you need to do is use gram-per-kilowatt hour.

If two growers both use a 600w HPS and both get 600 grams from their harvest, it would sound like they are both equal in productivity, right? But if the first grower did it in 60 days and the second in 83 days, it's obvious who the most productive grower is.

Starting from rooted clones:

Grower one would have a productivity level of 1.388 grams-per-kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x60.

Grower two would have a productivity level of 1 gram-per kilowatt hour: 600 grams divided by .6x12x83.

Use the gram-per-kilowatt measure when comparing your growing technique to other's; you may be doing better than you think!

you're right and this has been debated extensively in this forum. if a grower vegges for 3months then flips for 60days he's going to out produce hands down the guy that flips right away like I do, however I bet I out produce him over an extended period of time as I squeeze out 2 or 3 crops in the same period.

i agree with both of you.......:headbange i plan on very little veg other then mom's......:bigeye:
just a lil peak, room is 6W x 24L x 8H as you can see there lot's of work left to do!!!!!! i have not even pulled the coli out yet!!
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/0122.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=789368)

[LIFEISGOOD]

Holy wall of buckets Batman!

Giddy up

[guest2222999]

hows that coming 420 I'm impatient lol

[Teeg420]

ahh 00420 I just sold my coli the large modules used to run it with 3k in 8" cool tubes

Definitely an efficient system of growing, it just made a huge pain in the ass for me to prune in such a small area. I like the idea of doubleds system.

Plus being a med patient didnt want to deal with the stress of having lots of plants and cloning and transplanting too much stress.

Went with the less plants but more lights, 4 plants per 1kw in 5 to 7 gal containers, still not gonna give up on vert i kept the cool tubes and plan on doing a tent with 2k, something similar to sunny dogs style.

I get bored too easy so i always gotta keep experimenting.

[RicoT]

becuz of my new set up.... :)
i all ways ran 2k and 3 60 site's used every other site for 90 plant's
yeild's was 4-6 after dialed, at first was only getting like 2-3 it take's the right strain and u have to nail it to get over 15-20 gram plants
the highest i hit in her was 5.6 and it was with grape ape 15-20 day veg just over oz a plant
some strain's like geisha, c99, jack herrer hit 4.5-5 just under oz a plant

if i get 4 i would shit............... but 3+ has all ready been done.....

:respect:





i agree with both of you.......:headbange i plan on very little veg other then mom's......:bigeye:
just a lil peak, room is 6W x 24L x 8H as you can see there lot's of work left to do!!!!!! i have not even pulled the coli out yet!!
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/0122.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=789368)

Holy shit.. Can't wait to see the outcome of this :smokeit:

[whodi]

doin big things

[guest2222999]

00420 sent me a pm, and it sounds like a pretty big job he's got going

[smallfry707]

brother, there is a 10 per light system going on! on the farm, under doubleleds mpb buckets

correct me if im wrong but i think the best they did was 42ish pounds with 10 1000s and couple 600s and couple 400s with ac and co2

[GardenCaress]

where would one go to learn about this setup? :)

[Rednick]

correct me if im wrong but i think the best they did was 42ish pounds with 10 1000s and couple 600s and couple 400s with ac and co2

That would account for a 300% increase over anything else I have heard.

10 per 1k works out to a hell-u-va GPW.

[Teeg420]

Yo 00420 are you gonna start a new thread to show us what you got goin on?

[turbolaser4528]

That would account for a 300% increase over anything else I have heard.

10 per 1k works out to a hell-u-va GPW.


Ive seen a lot of doubleds grows, I thought it was 42# from ~20k watts. any1 have a link showing this 4# per light?

[Vindie$el]

Another GPW type stat I like to use is the pounds per year with every light accounted for. I get 2lbs per light twice a month so I get about 48 lbs per year. I have 5226 watts of lights in both rooms 4000 in bloom and 1226 total in veg. If used 5000 in bloom and used a 250MH for mothers and clones I would use the same wattage but I would only be able to pull off 5 crops per year and increase my numbers 4 or 5 fold. That works out to about the same wattage. I would get 50 lbs per year. If I grew big trees like I do then I would harvest 4 crops per year and only get 32 lbs which is a lot less. That is how I like to think of it. I don't want high plant numbers so I stick with a veg room and trees for pounds per year goals. Hope this post helps.

[Cheeb]

I fella that used to go by the name JonJaffer had been killing it in hydro stadiums a very long time ago.

I dont seem I have any shots of his bloom room, but a high flow hydro stadium looked like this.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315500&thumb=1 (http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315500) http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315501&thumb=1 (http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315501) http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315502&thumb=1 (http://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=15023&pictureid=315502)

He hung his lights horizontal still with batwings bent upward like a V shape. I bet he'd of hit even better numbers with vertical bulbs like Northern does.

His entire stadium hung from the ceiling with chains.. truly breaking out of the box.

[Cheeb]

There is used to be a fella back in the OG days that went by the name JonJaffer. (anyone remember him). He had what I would call a fast rate swc, nft style system.

His flowering room consisted of 4 8" PVC tubes (7 plants per tube) which hung from the ceiling in a stadium fashion using chains. He simply would pump water water into the top tube which would flow very fast, overflowing down to the bottom tube (via a drain in his end cap positioned at just the right height), and then back to the res. He did have an airstone at the bottom of each plant site to further aerate and agitate the roots, but I think it would work just fine without.

His system was fully suspended making it a breeze to spray under the canopy, trim, sweep floor, etc. Truly a beauty. I recall him hitting consistent 6lb yeilds from 3 lights with a fast flowering 6wk bubblegum variety. (2 1K HPS (ends) & 1 1K MH (middle)).
design
http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/growfaq/1449_files/t_showin.jpg

veg shot. 6" tubes - give you an idea of what I'm talking about
http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/growfaq/1449_files/t_Pictur.jpg




pretty sad the quality of stuff which was lost when og went down.

Actually found a little grow faq detailing his show.

Not really detailing like his post on OG did, but does show his show progress through a bloom cycle. Anyone have copies of his old OG shit?

I believe the show pictured in the link below was before he upgraded to 8" tubes.

Check it out. Stadium grow at its finest. He hung is lights horizontal unlike NF, but used wings bent way up like a V. Wonder if he could of hit better yeilds just running bare vertical bulbs.

Link to JonJaffer's Hydro Stadium pictorial.
http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/growfaq/1449.html

(http://www.icmag.com/ic/report.php?p=2030160)