Organic Aero Conversion

[cALyXTECH]

Veg. Room = 10 Plants in Aero Jet 2 Tray -12 Site Aero/NFT Hybrid System
(I like to leave the sites closest to the return line to keep the Drains Clear)

400w MH in P.L. A/C Hood

The Strain is BubbleGumxJack HerrerxSkunk#1 A.k.A. BubbleJack or BubbleSkunk

They are 12-17''

I have Been using Advanced Nutrients 1 Part SuperNutrients Gro-Hydro..
Just a knock off of supernatural brand From B.C..
I find this Nutrient lacking once into the bloom Phase and Want some Hydro organics..
So I bought some of the Botanicare line and want to run PBP it in my Aero and Ebb & Flow Systems..

I am looking for suggestions as to what I can and can't use in my Aero system As far as Blockages in my misters Go. I use the 360* Green ones.
Should I run Liquid Karma ?? Too Sludgy?

I plan on Flushing with Supernatural Super Leach and then Ferting for 3 days with a product called Decision By Life Circle Hydroponics.

Product decription = Early Flower Formation Enhancer
Decision is is a special purpose nutrient designed to signal to the plants that it is time for fruiting and flowering Decision encourages plants to Trottle back and set there crops. The micro nutrient regimine in decision is varied to meet the incresed demand of blossom formation.

0.0-5.7-3.2
Available phosphoric acid 5.7%
Soluable potash 3.2%
Mag. 0.6%
Iron 0.1%

And then I would like to move to a PBP Bloom mix. I have Cal. Mag, Silica Blast , Hydroplex ,Power Clone and B'cuzz Rooting and Bloom Stimulator. SM-90 and a bunch of other Additives layin around..

I Have read the PBP posts and still didnt see any Per. ml. mix's or any Recipies for that matter for Aero..Any suggestions Recipies Please..

Heres the girls so Far .....



Day 23 Veg.
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A lil Closer
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Peace ----cALyX
I love this Place :joint:

[SmokeAndBeKind]

Well....I am by no means an expert, as I am on my first hydro grow right now, but I can tell you what I have been doing and it seems to work for me.

First, the blockage, I am running the red sprayers, not sure how they compare to the green ones but I am pretty sure they are made by the same company. My pump sits inside a filter bag that seems to do the job pretty well, I haven't noticed any signs of blockage in my sprayers at all and my system has been up and running for about 8 weeks without cleaning them.
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On to the PBP, I run everything at 1/4 strength or less what is reccomended on the bottle, and I used the chart in the back of the botanicare catolog to at least get the rough ratios for adding the cal-mag, silica, LK, etc.

I am also using a beneficial fungus product(earth nectar/earth ambrosia), and a beneficial bacteria (Advanced nutrients turantula, until the second week of flower) Also using Earth Juice catalyst, Green Fuse Bloom Stumilant in bloom, superthrive in veg, and a little bit of fox-farm big-bloom and earth juice bloom for a little added flavor, and because I had them laying around.

I am growing Afghani right now which is pretty nute sensitive, so you could probably double what I am running but here is what I run just for a comparison on ratios etc. I am running this total in 10 gallons of distilled water
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Veg>>>>
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PBP Grow - 30ml
Liq Karma - 21ml
CalMag + - 12ml (MJ likes magnesium so thats more than they reccomend in the catalog)
Silica Blast - 7ml
Earth Nectar - 5ml
Earth AMbrosia - 5ml
Turantula - 1 tsp (its a powder and I think adds a lot of the sediment I get)
EJ Catalyst - 5ml
Superthrive - 10 drops
-Thats late veg, just dilute it for earlier veg, run this through first week of flower

Bloom
PBP Grow - 25ml(week2) 12ml (week3) none after that
PBP Bloom - 12ml (week2) 25ml(week3) 37-40 ml weeks 4+
Liq Karma - 21ml
CalMag - 12ml
Silica - 7ml
Catalyst - 10ml
GreenFuse - 10ml
EarthJuice BLoom, FF BigBLoom, I am starting with 10ml of BB weeks 1-2 of flower, then every week I reduce the BB by 2ml and increase the EJ bloom by 1ml

I also Plan on mixin in PBP soil bloom towards the end of flower, much the same as I do with the veg and bloom in early flower, You might just add in some hydroplex for the PK boost

In my oppinion all of the different PBP formulations, and the Liquid karma, none of them are sludgy, at least not what I would consider sludgy from working with other organics in the past (like the earth juice)

Using just the botanicare products results in a pretty clear and clean looking nutrient solution, but the other stuff I add in makes it a lot cloudier, especially the turantula which is a powder, and the earth ambrosia which is like black ink. I recommend the use of them however.


I am currently at 16 days flowering, and Like I said it is my first run but things are going well so far
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I hope that helped a little, and maybe somebody with a little more knowledge could add to the discussion

[Tonyton]

Hows it going Smokeandbekind, I'm not sure due to I grow in soil but i think as long as the pump don't get clogged you should be OK. Make sure the roots don't get in the bag you have around your pump.
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I have the whole A.N. organic line which is the best in organics in all the products that I have used in the 22+ years that I have been growing. An the 2+program isn't any different.I have the same heads that you have, they are EZ-CLONE replacement heads. but I have not had the time to use them. the color of the water shouldn't make a difference with these heads. when I move I will go aero organic with a blue print setup.
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I brought them for the cloner I am constructing
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Question, what size tap or drill bit did you use to make the holes in the PVC for your misters ?

[Sinfuldreams]

A Bag is very important.
RO Water is better than tap No Lime or calcium build up at all.
Salts build up over time no matter what you do, so Clean the Bag, Lines, Pump, and Rez as needed. With RO Water I find cleaning to be Much easier.

AN Rocks but im sure other Nutes would work as well for you.
Sludgy with a Bag should be ok, bag filters it ( Hopefully ) a bag will help Big time.

Sin

[cALyXTECH]

TonyTon
I'm Confused?? My name is cALyXTECH and I started this Thread and asked those questions.
But you are replying to smokeandbekind on his system..??

[cALyXTECH]

Thanks for the tip's bekind I love the Aero tub nice roots. I was thinkin about some E.A. & E.N. I 've heard good things..

Sin thanks for popin in , I will definantly get a pump filter too?
Does interior got em?
I have to address the R.O. as well During my last filter change I think I rolled an O ring or somethin. Now my ph from the R.O. line is 240ppm same as tap??
I'll have to sort it out sooner or later I just hate Plumbin shit..

Peace All cALyXTECH......

[Sinfuldreams]

I wanted to stop all the White Crust that builds up all over everything.
RO was the to go this time. Dehumidifier water is good too! I get the added bonus of having pure water to mix my nutes in.

Salt build up is the culprit here.
Heres a pic of the Bags CalyX
Pet Shopswould carry them as well.

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Sin :wave: :lurk:

[Guest]

I am usin BCuzz rooting solution right now. Roots in 7-10 days on all my trainwreck cuts

Tex

[cALyXTECH]

Good call Tex I have been using the B'cuzz rooting solution to soak my rapid rooters in for cloning in trays .Before I made my areo cloner lid. Great results for over a year now..
I just thought the Aero machine would be good for when I need to put clones in a holding pattern for a few days.. They always seemed to hate being in the trays after being rooted. for more than a few days Im sure they'll thrive in the aero If I don't have room to move em into the veg room for a few Days...

I also added a few Ml's. of b'cuzz into the cloner with the power clone at 50%...

They all look like the day I took em At day 9. Above
But below I only see small roots starting at the stripped nodes below the neoprean.
Nothing to wild though..
Pump on 24-7 Temp 78-79*


Sin. I will pick up the pump sock today.

I will also check out my R.O. System To see If I can Find out why my R.O. Water is 230ppm. Same as Tap.. Maybe bad Pressure in my holding tank??? I Have a under sink G.E. model From H.D. I might just have to bst out the manual and get back on R.O.. That mineral Build up Makes sense too me. I also have the Isreali Inline filter on my system..
I wanna be double safe on this one. It's no picnic tryin to get at the misters for servicing once trained into the screen in mid Flower.... Thats why I have been a bit afraid to make the jump 2 Hydro Organics in My Aero Systems.. But I now need to make the switch after seeing the results of this Line Ala-- tk and Mr.Wags.

Heres the first set of Aero Clones Day 9

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365Day_9_22_B_J_-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365Day_9_22_B_J_.jpg)

And some root bumps, I thought they would be more by now but this isn't the best cloning strain...
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365New_Aero_roots-thumb.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365New_Aero_roots.jpg)


Thankx Again Guys :wave:

cALyX...........

[Tonyton]

Calyxtech, I apologize I was distracted in reading the post. My bad, next time i will get reid of the distraction.

[cALyXTECH]

No Worries Brotha Man.........

Peace-----cALyX :joint: :joint:

[SmokeAndBeKind]

Calyx whats up

Some strains don't clone the best in bubble or aero cloners, sometimes it helps to put the clones in rockwool cubes until they have root bumps, then transfer to the cloner machine (cut the rockwool cube in half and hold it together with toothpicks)

Do you remember how much you paid for your RO filter? I have been using distilled at a cost of about $8 per week, 14 weeks of growing will cost me $112. I could have bought a Ro filter for that much, and I will before my next grow

The Filter bag that Sinful Dreams Posted is the exact same on that I have

Tonyton, you have to drill and tap (thread) the holes in the PVC for those sprayers, find the right tap for the threads on the sprayer, and it will say on the package what size drill bit to use.

[cALyXTECH]

Interesting Idea Bekind.. I don't like rockwool though... I will be tryin the aero cloner with rapid rooters in the cups In the future to experiment... But for now I need clones for my new ... Ebb & Flow Hydro Organics Adventure.. Have a Few projects up my sleave....

My system was like 150.00 Cheaper than the hydro store cheapies.. It's G.E. Im sure its on the H.Depot web site... I will warn u though the output is low like 20 Gal. A day...
But It can work if u Make it.....

Peace-------Out .........cALyX

[cALyXTECH]

Lookin Good, Day 26 Veg.

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I will top in the morning to fit them under the screen...

And then 2 Days of Fert. W/Decision only..

Then on to the PBP Bloom Mix.... And 12-12

Heres some Bubble Jack Ebb&Flow at 52 Days... Today

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PBP switch was made at last Res change..
10-18 Tue.... New PBP formula =
15 Gal. Tap Water. = 240ppm. 7.0ph
Cal. Mag Plus. 3 ml. Per. Gal. = 45ml. = 340ppm. 7.2ph.
L.K. 5 Ml. Per. Gal. = 75ml. = 440ppm. 7.0ph.
PBP Fruit and Flower. 15ml. Per. Gal. = 225ml. = 1130ppm. 6.4ph.
Plus Flora Shield at 30ml. Per. Gal.

Also Added some Hydroplex and B'Cuzz Bloom Stimulator About 5 Days Ago..

Peace----------cALyX..........Out

[SmokeAndBeKind]

That looks really good, how tall is your screen?

I can't wait to see it full of sticky buds

How do your plants like the new formulation?

Smoke

[cALyXTECH]

Smoke Thanx for the Props Bro,
My Screens are different Heights Ranging From 12-18 in., I Like to use the Taller ones for Aero because of the intense growth rates and the shorter ones for Ebb & Flow.

As for the new formula, That was introduced to a Ebb and Flow System I have In the flowering Room... They were suffering from imbalance and deficiency Like I had mentioned I get late into flowering with these Advanced Nutrients Bloom Hydro Nutes.
Thats Why I began serching out the PBP. So I decided to Finish up that Cycle with PBP to see If I could bring em around..... And yes it did green em up a lil...So the last 2 shots of the Budding Bubble Jack are PBP.
And the Aero will go to PBP for it's First day of 12-12 in 2 Days...So then I will Really so how they respond to the change Because I'm startin with Super healthy Plants.

I'll Keep Ya UPdated..........PeAcE-----cALyX..........OuT

[cALyXTECH]

Well It's time for the Big switch .
The Aero girls have been moved into the Flower room under Dual 600w Hori's on the Lightrail 3.5 . Pump sock installed.....Thanx Sin,
Heres the mix I went with......

9 Gal. Tap. = 7.0ph. 240ppm
5Ml. Per Gal. Cal.- Mag.= 7.0ph. 460ppm.(Nice, I thought I read to prime with 200ppm Cal.- Mag.)
8ml. Per. Gal. Liquid Karma = 6.8ph. 590ppm.
15ml. Per. GAl. PBP Bloom = 6.3ph. 1280ppm....
Plus 30 ml.Per. Gal. GH Flora Shield For Benefical Bacteria....
Plus Silica Blast at 3 ML. Per. Gal.

What Do you guys top off the reZ with?? Pure water? 50% of inital mix??
Let the PBP Adventure begin........

Before the bondage
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After bendin
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Some Bubblejack next door Flushin......
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Peace----------------cALyX-----------OuT.

[cALyXTECH]

:wave: Hey there, Let me start by sayin I love PBP I am so glad I decided to make the conversion......

My PH is soooo Stable I have only used 5ml. PH.down in 9 days...
I would have used at least 20ml. By now with my old Synth nutes...

And boy do the girls eat this shit up..
I have been toppin off the rez with water only to see the ppm consumption
1260ppm. at inital rez mix to 910ppm. today....
That is insane... This strain was eatin 150-200ppm.. of the advanced nutes in the first week of bloom, in the same setup...
They obviously like the organics.... I know I do..........
I know its early into the conversion for me but I love this shit...
I think I'll change the rez Sat. And then I'll use ferts in my topoff water...

Any suggestions on strength of ferts for makeup Water??????


The Screen is lookin pretty Filled


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365Day_9_flower_PBP-thumb.JPG (http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/6365Day_9_flower_PBP.JPG)

Peace----------cALyX....... :joint:

[HOVAH]

hey Cal nice grow, what duration do you have your misters on .. thanks 1HOVAH

[GanjaJedi]

Nice my next grow I will be converting to PBP and aeroponics, good job calyx